Sandbox - 8oct19

[On the face of it I am not in favor of withdrawing US troops from Syria, especially viz the Kurds.  My own long-stated Rebane Doctrine is that the US must continue its role as the world's white hat policeman (hegemon) using responses and methods that will evolve with needs and time.  But before we continue hyper-ventilating on the withdrawal, can someone cite the exact parameters of Trump's withdrawal announcement - e.g. is it more than pulling a few tens of troops back from the 20-mile buffer zone?  gjr]

Comments

[Jig Wiggly]

Here we go!
I, in my great and unmatched wisdom have unleashed the dogs of war so that I can have a cool and profitable hotel in Istanbul. It will be bigly profitable

Turkey fires its first shots: Ankara bombs Kurdish supply route in preparation for invasion to create a 'peace corridor' along its border on day after Trump pulls US troops from the area, despite claiming 'we haven't abandoned the Kurds'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7549407/Turkey-says-ready-create-peace-corridor-northern-Syria.html

[Todd Juvinall]

So Jiggy-Pooh, sounds like you want us to go to war with Turkey. Why don't you volunteer or send your kids to help the Kurds?

[Don Bessee]

WINNING!

The Trump administration’s trade policies are not raising prices of goods for U.S. consumers. And business margins are improving, suggesting that some of the adjustment pains from moving supply-chains out of China are in the rearview mirror.

Prices for goods in the U.S. fell by four-tenths of a percentage point in September, after following a half percentage point in August, three months after tariffs on $200 billion of Chinese imports rose from 10 percent to 25 percent, the Labor Department said Tuesday. Excluding the volatile food and energy categories, prices for goods were down in the month on a seasonally adjusted basis.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/10/08/no-tariff-inflation/

;-)

[Jig Wiggly]

Todd-
Nobody expects you to understand the larger picture here. Save yourself some humiliation, put a sock in it, and sit this one out. With all your free time, keep looking for your Cal SCOTUS.

[Steven Frisch]

Not even the President can cite the parameters of US troop withdrawal, obviously, since he did not coordinate his announcement with Congress, the JCS, State, Defense, or CENTCOM.

I short, the President just blurted it out and now all of the institutional entities that normally plan, consider ramifications, provide advise about, and implement such actions are stuck catching up with the whim of der Führer.

This is what happens when a nation gradually slips under the control of the Führerprinzip. It's also what happens when stupid, misguided, or like minded people go along with authoritarian anti-American governance and empower a Führer.

[Jig Wiggly]

!!!WINNING!!!!

Almost one in three REPUBLICANS back impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump in dramatic new poll that says 49 per cent of Americans want him removed from office

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7550813/One-three-REPUBLICANS-impeachment-poll-says-49-Americans-want-Trump-removed.html

[Walt]

Bring it jiggered Jeffy,,, Trump won't be removed.
Name the 2/3ds of the Senate that will.

[Walt]

This your winning liar?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/warren-faces-mounting-questions-on-another-part-of-her-personal-story-was-she-fired-for-being-pregnant

[J. Barron]

Well put Steve,
I've spent the morning researching and looking for the parameters of our emergency troop withdrawal. It seems to be something like, "The Turks are coming, get out the way." This is what happens when foreign "policy" is a fluid construct bouncing around inside the head of a single aged man; and that man is completely incapable of articulating said policy. Kind of scary. His finger is on the button.

[Steven Frisch]

Posted by: Walt | 08 October 2019 at 10:38 AM

I believe that Walt's conventional position is the most likely....but....

Let's be clear, most elected Republicans can't stand Trump. He is a thrice married, pussy grabbing, New York, amoral, self serving, corrupt, criminal who is perverting what the Republican party has stood for for the last 50 years.

Sure there a several brainwashed mouthpieces..Meadows, Jordan, Nunes, et al...but the rank and file elected merely tolerate Trump to hold on to power.

As soon as 60% of Americans support removal from office they will abandon him to try to save their own skin...the question is solely, is there enough to get to that 60%

[J. Barron]

Walt 10:38-
That is beside the point. What is happening is classic rope a dope where Trump is being kept off balance and having to be on the defensive side of the argument. He hates that. There is little doubt that, technically, he will not be removed, but with the numbers where they are, few Pubbers are going to stick their political necks out to support his positions. Trump is a proven quitter and when people don't love hm as much as he thinks he deserves, I can see him simply walking away from the job with some face-saving sour grapes excuse. Like Todd, it's never his fault. Just ask him.

[fish]

It's also what happens when stupid, misguided, or like minded people go along with authoritarian anti-American governance and empower a Führer.

If only he was Negro Brown instead of Day Glo Orange……..then you wouldn't have to see him at all would you Steve?!

Indeed….if you dumbfucks hadn't decided to follow the Republicans "Bob Dole….It's His Turn Now" principle and nominated anybody other than Felonia Von Pantsuit then none of this unpleasantness would have been necessary!

You have no one to blame but yourselves…….

[fish]

Posted by: Jig Wiggly | 08 October 2019 at 10:24 AM

Dayshift have you called Pelosis office to tell her to formally start the impeachment process or are you just going to sit there and keep jerking off with sand?

[Jig Wiggly]

Pelosi is a wise. shrewd old prune. She'll wring this out as long as she can and for all it is worth. She is a master at this game and those who underestimate her are going to get their lunch eaten.

[Todd Juvinall]

Jig Wiggly | 08 October 2019 at 10:20 AM
As usual you moron you never answer the question. But go straight to namecalling. You have no clue about the middle east so I suggest rather than further embarrassment for you total ignorance you go back to your bridge and shut you huge pie hole. I know more about the issues than you will ever be able to understand. That is why you lash out as your ignorance is exposed on all this stuff. What a numbskull you troll.

[Todd Juvinall]

Millions and millions of people jumping onto the Trump Train. Stave and his butt pal Jiggy should take heed.

[Jig Wiggly]

Todd 11:23

"As usual you moron you never answer the question. But go straight to namecalling."

[Todd Juvinall]

I ask the lefty nuts here. What about the Yalta? Lots to learn about Presidential power.

[Todd Juvinall]

If I recall the left was all in posting the daily death toll of our troops to get the people PO'd and force their withdrawal. Now they are all in for keeping those men and women there. I think Jiigy-Pooh etal are schizo.

[Paul Emery]

Todd

Can you provide some documentation as to the "Millions and millions of people jumping onto the Trump Train" ?

[George Rebane]

re StevenF's 1023am - Absence of evidence to the contrary, I have to agree with Frisch's assessment of how the troop withdrawal came about. But his usual diatribe about the "Führerprinzip" is also off the wall and without supporting evidence. Whether we agree with Trump's process or not, the Constitution allows him to do what he's doing, the rest is ongoing progressive narrative.

On the other hand, wonder why no leftie has stepped forward to comment on Newsom's latest shot in the shorts to California's public schools. What are we to make of such crickets? (And one could ask about 100 more of such sounds of silence.)

[Jig Wiggly]

Todd 12:11 -

Links? Links? Links? Anything from Juvinall's mouth are to be considered empty, hollow lies without evidence to the contrary..

Right now I'm hearing as many pissed off Pubbers as Progressives wailing about Trump deserting our allies. The only ones to profit are Trump and his family. Trying to make it a partisan issue is part and parcel with you and Walt. It simply isn't true.

[Gregory]

WiggyJiggly 1233pm

One thing Toddie does is post under a name that everyone knows.

Unlike you.

Frisch 1044am

I see you still have a 100% White staff. In a California non-profit that otherwise appears to push all the right (meaning Left) Progressive buttons.

How *do* you get away with it?

[Todd Juvinall]

Jig Wiggly | 08 October 2019 at 12:33 PM
If you think I care what you say you are sorely mistaken. You are a troll and I am a real person posting my real name. I am easy to find and I have a large local following as well as outside the area. You have none. I suggest you post your real name so we can debate as people. So get some nards if you are a guy and come debate or STFU troll.

Gregory has rightly posted the hypocrite Frisch is regarding his positions on race. Practice what you preach or stay away.

[fish]

Posted by: Gregory | 08 October 2019 at 01:53 PM

How *do* you get away with it?

The same way he gets away with his travel bromance with jeffy……shameless hypocrisy! Arch Klimate Kriminal Pelline……jetting all over the world in "Cargo Pallet" Class spewing tons of CO2 in his flabby wake! The Weeping Clown of Climate Science….mindlessly and enthusiastically applauding jeffys environmental sins!

I shouldn't be surprised…..the rules don't apply to the "New Class" and a guy in marketing…. has…. to…. hustle…. all…. the….time, even when he doesn't believe in the product!

After all….that cushy Truckee retirement isn't going to fund itself!

Steven R Frisch says:

October 1, 2019 at 4:47 pm

I am really enjoying these posts. I spent 10 days in Beijing (北京) about 5 years ago and I’m looking forward to going back to China for a longer stay at some point soon. Keep posting…these are very interesting.

jeff pelline says:

October 2, 2019 at 3:51 am

Steve,

I remember your trip to 北京. I landed in Bejing this afternoon and will stay until the end of the week. This is my second trip to mainland China (Shanghai in November 2018). And Shannon and I visited Hong Kong in March. China fascinates me. Being here for the People’s Republic #70 has been a hassle from a traveling standpoint (more traffic jams and crowds than usual) but a rich and unique learning experience.

We’ve been fortunate to have traveled a lot (Mexico, Canada, Caribbean, Europe, Australia/New Zealand, South America). But until we visited Tokyo in November 2015, we hadn’t been to Asia much. The dynamics of the region and its relationship with the U.S. become much clearer when viewed firsthand. There is much more to it than the “us” versus “them” narrative we are exposed too. And it becomes clear how Trump and Navarro are not them best “team” for “us.”

I lived in the International House (of Pancakes?) when I went to Cal in 1976-81 — during the Iranian hostage crisis, no less. I have made lifetime friends with foreign students I met at Cal, including ones from Asia. It’s was an important educational experience. We have exposed our son to a lot of world travel too. “The State of Jefferson” is God’s gift to nature but not the best place to form a world view.

BTW, Shannon and Mitchell are touring out-of-state colleges this week, including a stop in Chicago (my alma mater Northwestern and University of Chicago). We included Rice U. in Houston into the mix, and he liked it (a strong engineering program). Also going East.

Our families are in different directions this week. Thank goodness for Jackie, our dog sitter. Ha! Exciting times.

Exciting times indeed…….

(For big yucks check out Jigglys thread over at the Sierra Foothills Catbox and read of Steves passionate longing for Chinese like authoritarian powers……he hides it well but still comes through!)

[Gregory]

Frisch und freunde come here and say tsk tsk tsk... you're all racist... all the time he's been running a tidy little non-profit that, by all appearances, would have passed muster under the Nuremberg Laws in the 1930's.

In fact, there are at least five women working at SBC who'd give Eva Braun a run for the Fuehrer's money.

[Jig Wiggly]

Todd 2:00
"I am a real person"

Link?

[Robert Cross]

In the "lock'em up lock'em up" category: the White House today has written a letter to Congress refusing to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry in any way..contrary to what the Constitution of the United States empowers Congress to conduct and the executive branch to comply with. Does obstruction of justice ring a bell?

Would this be treason under the name of republican partisanship?

[Gregory]

Obstruction of Justice? Bobby... the justice department doesn't have anything to do with the machinations of Congress here, and nothing the Shiffter does is even handed.

Bring up the impeachment to a vote of the House, Nancy. And then move forward, with the GOP having a seat at the table.

[Don Bessee]

Uh, we will get back to you when we think up something to make you go away -

Bohai Harvest RST (BHR), a private equity firm bankrolled by the Chinese government, is weighing how and if it should explain its relationship with Hunter Biden, the youngest son of former Vice President Joe Biden.

The company, which is one of China’s largest mutual fund management firms, told the South China Morning Post it was “working to produce an explanation” about the younger Biden’s “role.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/08/chinese-state-backed-firm-weighing-how-to-explain-hunter-biden-ties/

;-)

[fish]

Posted by: Roberta Cross | 08 October 2019 at 03:17 PM

Does obstruction of justice ring a bell?

Not until Pelosi holds a vote Bertie!

Really……have you called her office? Things seem to be swinging your way……why are you guys fucking around like liberal democrats?

In the words of the immortal Rashida Talib…."just impeach the M'effer'!

[Todd Juvinall]

Jiggy-Pooh 300pm, then you are not a resident here and do not know anything or anyone local or our history. I thought so.

Frisch is actually practicing what his commie pals do to over a billion humans. To have such a wonderful feeling for the authoritarian fascist communist ideologies is really over the top. Hell a NBA owner said Go Freedom to the Hong Kong protestors and the Chicoms turned off all NBA games from TV. Where are Frisch, Pelline, Emery, and Jiggy0Boo on that? Crickets. My guess is those lovelies will blame Trump. Just wait!

[Todd Juvinall]

Robert Cross | 08 October 2019 at 03:17 PM

Not an official process until there is a vote bub. And Schiff won't allow R's to ask questions or be in a closed hearing. Now all you do is whine about Transparency and yet your people won't allow it. I suggest you write a letter asking your lover Schiff to open these hearing so Americans can see and hear them. Or are you just an authoritarian?

[Barry Pruett]

Trump gives bird to Democrats. lol

[fish]

Posted by: Barry Pruett | 08 October 2019 at 03:32 PM

Really….is it so difficult for them to hold a vote and do it by the numbers?

[Todd Juvinall]

The dems cannot do things in the light. Look at Biden and Obama and the rest of their swamp dwellers. All in the dark to keep Americans from seeing their corruption.

[Jig Wiggly]

Todd 3:26-

"then you are not a resident here and do not know anything or anyone local or our history. I thought so."

What language is this? What did he just say? Yoo hoo Todd. Grocery Outlet has Aqua Velva on sale.

[Don Bessee]

While schiff for brains and botox Nancy are doing a kabuki dance things get worse for team 0 -

However, based on what he has been finding, Durham has expanded his investigation adding agents and resources, the senior administration officials said. The timeline has grown from the beginning of the probe through the election and now has included a post-election timeline through the spring of 2017, up to when Robert Mueller was named special counsel.

Attorney General Bill Barr and Durham traveled to Italy recently to talk to law enforcement officials there about the probe and have also had conversations with officials in the U.K. and Australia about the investigation, according to multiple sources familiar with the meetings.

Sol Wisenberg says whistleblower complaint is effort to discredit John Durham's investigation
Certain segments of the intelligence community and the Democratic Party are 'scared to death' of what U.S. Attorney John Durham will find, says Fox News contributor Sol Wisenberg, former deputy independent counsel.

Barr assigned Durham, the U.S. attorney in Connecticut, back in May to conduct the inquiry into alleged misconduct and improper surveillance of the Trump campaign in 2016, as well as whether Democrats were the ones who'd improperly colluded with foreign actors.

The attorney "is gathering information from numerous sources, including a number of foreign countries. At Attorney General Barr’s request, the president has contacted other countries to ask them to introduce the attorney general and Mr. Durham to appropriate officials," Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec said last month.

Durham, known as a "hard-charging, bulldog" prosecutor, according to a source, has been focusing on the use and assignments of FBI informants, as well as alleged improper issuance of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants. Durham was asked to help Barr to "ensure that intelligence collection activities by the U.S. government related to the Trump 2016 presidential campaign were lawful and appropriate."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham-investigation-trump-campaign-surveillance-expanded-scope

;-)

[fish]

Posted by: Jig Wiggly | 08 October 2019 at 03:44 PM

Grocery Outlet has Aqua Velva on sale.

Does it cover the stench of 500 lbs worth of meat sweats?

[J. Barron]

Gregory 3:25
"Bring up the impeachment to a vote of the House, Nancy. And then move forward, with the GOP having a seat at the table."

You are a very gullible and sadly mistaken man to believe Nancy does anything haphazardly. Every day public support for impeachment grows stronger, and The Donald just keeps digging his hole deeper with his tweets and stonewalling. Nancy is holding impeachment just out of reach like a carrot on a string. She is a master at this. When she feels the public furor has reached a crescendo, she'll let the guillotine fly. This is not about kicking Trump out of office, it about building public perception and the next election. Every minute of this is premeditated and choreographed.

[fish]

Posted by: J. Barron | 08 October 2019 at 03:55 PM

Thank you for admitting that this is all political theater!

Really no need to pay attention to any of your other complaints!

[J. Barron]

Fish-
Complaints? By me? As jigs would say, "Links please. And a glass of fine whine."

[Todd Juvinall]

Jig Wiggly | 08 October 2019 at 03:44 PM

Hi Jeff Pelline!

That proves you don't know diddly about local history. And can't even answer a simple set of questions. moron.

Bar-room407
Pelosi is not that smart. She is a consummate liar and you libs always fall for it. Shows how dumb libs truly are.

[Don Bessee]

Looks like 2019 will be bigger than 2018 which was equivalent to the prior 3 years -

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/10/08/us-airstrikes-afghanistan-hit-heaviest-levels-2010.html

;-)

[fish]

Posted by: J. Barron | 08 October 2019 at 04:07 PM

All that whining about "the rule of law" and "muh constitution"…..utter bullshit!

Exactly what I expected!

[Todd Juvinall]

fish | 08 October 2019 at 04:14 PM
It is only in their pea brains.

[Gregory]

Barron Harkonen 355pm

Where did you pick up the misunderstanding that I didn't think Pelosi thought it through?

Of course she thought doing it this way would make the water torture last long enough to get Trump the 1000 Cuts they need to wound him enough to beat in Nov 2020 while keeping the House majority in grips of the DP Party. But the subpoenas are something less than real subpoenas, and the Dem's will just have to stomp their little feets in anger. "ooooh, that makes me mad!"

[L]

JB @3:55 Just because she is conniving and without scruples does not mean she is any good at choreography; let's wait and see.

[Bill Tozer]

Afternoon, gents. Boy, VDH is on a typing terror lately. These great articles seem to fly off his fingertips by the hour.

‘Groundbreaking’ disclosures fall apart, hoaxes are exposed, the media are discredited, over and over and over again.
What do the Kavanaugh hearings, Jussie Smollett, the Covington kids, the Mueller investigation, and now the Trump phone call all have in common?

“Staged melodrama, media collusion hysteria, progressive demands that justice be served immediately, promises of walls-are-closing-in blockbuster revelations from new witnesses, supposed surprise revelatory documents, fusions between Democratic politicians and Washington bureaucrats — and then bust, nada, and teeth-gnashing as the truth catches up to various rumor-mongers.

“The disgraced purveyors of lies — a Christine Blasey Ford, Michael Avenatti, Nathan Phillips, Jussie Smollet, Adam Schiff — for a time go mute, content with progressives’ praise that they lied for a moral cause and almost pulled it off.

“The particular narrative is not all that important, at least compared with a general overriding theme: We are in a virtual civil war, and the Left believes that it can win over the hearts and minds of 20 to 30 percent of the swing voters in the United States with therapeutic tales of racism, sexism, unearned white privilege, and right-wing greed and selfishness, and also by destroying the elected president. Particular events in the news are warped and twisted, to the degree that they can be, to serve that narrative — on the principle that the superior moral end of ensuring a radical equality of result more than justifies the often tawdry and dishonest means to achieve it.........................

“When it is all over, there are no apologies and no contriteness, just a shrug. After all, if it wasn’t true, it could have been, or it reflected a higher moral truth, and lying for noble ends justifies the means. In fact, those who call out the rumor-mongers, sanctimonious scolds, and political hacks are usually themselves damned as racists, homophobes, Stalinists, Trump robots, conspiracy theorists, or any such slur deemed useful in projectionist fashion to deflect their own culpability.

“So here we are, on the eve of impeaching a president on the basis of disgruntled White House staffers, whose rumors in secondhand and thirdhand fashion were passed on to a “whistleblower” who worked hand in hand with partisan lawyers and Adam Schiff to circumvent the normal whistleblower protocols and smear a president.

“And we will all shrug and grow quiet — at least until the next Blasey Ford, Michael Avenatti, Jussie Smollett, Nathan Philipps, dream-team, all-star star chamber, James Comey, or “anonymous” crusading “whistleblower” comes forth to seek notoriety and do his yeoman’s work to rid the country of Trump and all his odious henchmen.

“Meanwhile, they have no idea of the wreckage they have inflicted on the intelligence agencies, the media, the Democratic party, themselves, and the country — or much less why a growing number of Americans are sick of them all.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/trump-impeachment-inquiry-anti-trump-psychodrama/

[Don Bessee]

The juggernaut of a campaign has raised the most money ever -

Now, Trump has a roaring reelection apparatus. There are six main committees working to secure his second term, including the official campaign, the Republican National Committee and a super PAC. Together, they have already raised over $736 million - more than any previous presidential candidate at this point in the campaign.

Trump is armed with a bigger reelection operation than his predecessors had at this stage in their campaigns.

By this point in 2011, the official committees working toward President Barack Obama's second term had raised at least $390 million - a little over half of what Trump has now, campaign filings show.

During the 2016 campaign, one way Trump saved money was by leveraging his celebrity, bombast and larger-than-life personality to attract coverage in the media.

"He was on TV all the time," said Alex Conant, GOP strategist and senior adviser to Rubio's 2016 campaign. It "turned out to be a brilliant strategy, and one that doesn't require much campaign infrastructure - just a cellphone and proximity to a TV camera."

Trump still enjoys those advantages. But he now has internal polling, a system to test messages on Facebook to figure out what ads resonate most with voters and a rapid-response team tasked with mounting a public relations offensive at a moment's notice.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/trump-reelection-presidential-campaign-democrats-20191008.html

;-)

[Walt]

Queen nan and Adam the steaming pile of Schiff, must be livid..
GOOD!!!!

[Scott O]

Does anyone, anywhere, wonder why after years of talk by the Dems about how evil Trump is and how they have solid evidence of the crimes he has committed - they have yet to even start to do anything formally about impeachment?
And the leftys that post here are just hilarious. Not one single one of you rock-throwers has shown anything other than TDS.
What are any of you losers for?
Other than bragging about hanging out in upscale whitey-white enclaves?
What candidates are you promoting?
Anybody?

[Don Bessee]

Some perspective for the ignorant trolls peddling the socialist dem party line -

The Pentagon stated on Monday that Turkey has been removed from the “air tasking order” employed by members of the anti-Islamic State coalition operating in Syria.

This means Turkish planes will have considerable difficulty entering Syrian airspace to support the invasion threatened by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and will not benefit from surveillance data collected by the coalition.

“If you’re not on the air tasking order, it’s really hard to coordinate flights in that area,” explained Pentagon spokeswoman Carla Gleason.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/10/08/u-s-effectively-blocks-turkey-operating-syrian-airspace/

;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Try it again. There is a glitch! The Matrix is not perfect.

Gavin diverts 5 billion in gas tax funds to ‘Climate Change Scope’. Republicans are pissed.

[George Rebane]

RobertC 317pm - You have a profound misunderstanding of what the Constitution says. And this explains the failure of almost all of your attempts to bolster your progressive narrative.

JBarron 355pm - You have the most coherent explanation of the political sleaze that Nancy is practicing on the lightly read to defeat Donald Trump. Yep, that's what's going on.

[Walt]

And NONE have the nads to stand up to say who they will vote for against Trump... Now why is that? The bitch here, and when the time comes,, hide behind that curtain and vote Trump.

[Scott O]

BT 5:28 - Making it soooo easy to be glad I'm out of Cali.
How much more of this shit are you folks willing to take?
Democracy?
What a joke.
Go ahead and vote for something and they just piss in your face.
Enjoy.

[Don Bessee]

Dementia? -

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/10/08/hillary-maybe-we-need-rematch-with-me-and-trump-i-can-beat-him-again/

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Slow down? It he slows anymore he would be going backwards -

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/464928-sanders-says-hell-slow-down-on-campaign-trail-after-heart-attack

;-)

[Scott O]

Fake news redux - "Billionaires paid less in taxes than the working class last year for the first time in U.S. history, a study found."
Really?
Oh.
"The wealthiest 400 families had a 23 percent tax rate, compared to the bottom half of households, which had a 24.2 percent tax rate."
Ah - 'rate' not 'amount'.
And
"Jason Furman, an economist at Harvard, told the Post that the study is misleading because it doesn't include refundable tax credits, thus making tax burdens appear higher than they really are."
Well, yeah - but how many of the filthy rich bought Teslas and got a rebate on that purchase, huh?
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/domestic-taxes/464935-billionaires-paid-lower-tax-rate-than-working-class-for-first
So - what actual amount did the wealthiest top 1% actually pay vs the lower working class?
Strangely, that sort of info was not included in the article.
Last time I checked, our govt runs on money, not rates.

[J. Barron]

Scott 5:27
You are a short sighted fool. This has NOTHING to do with impeachment or kicking Trump out of office. It is entirely about building public perception and paving the way to Trump's loss in 2020. The longer you people think this is about impeachment, the longer Nancy has to swirl Trump into the drain by framing him as someone who has something to hide from the American people. He and his ego are playing directly into her hands. The more times Trump stonewalls, the more imbedded the public perception. That you can't see that befuddles me. But it makes me happy to.

[Don Bessee]

There are a million jokes to had out of this one. Politician being part of screwing taxpayers is the easiest! -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/08/florida-democrat-distributes-condoms-with-her-photo-to-celebrate-come-out-with-pride/

;-)

[Robert Cross]

The wheels on the train go round and round, round and round, round and round, The wheels on the train go round and round, and now they're falling off. Who was that brilliant politician who once said "fool me once shame... shame on you, Fool me... You can't get fooled again!" But apparently some people can get fooled all of the time. How can trumpler survive? Tune in to "Reality Government: America" and find out.. in the mean time life as we know it could quickly come to an end as the band played on.

[Walt]

WOW!! The soon to be power outage has already got you two in a mental breakdown.

Neither one of you can come up with even one half baked reason Trump will lose. Nor just which Commiecrat even stands a chance.
Yet here you yap and salivate at Trump's demise that will never happen.

[fish]

Posted by: J. Barron | 08 October 2019 at 08:36 PM

Whew......! Just politics then.....OK ......carry on then!

[Walt]

It's playdoh and kitten vids for Von Proggy. Judging by his post, he's in the fetal position in the corner, wrapped in a blanket, switching the light on and off.

[Scott O]

JB 8:36 - So I'm a fool for noticing just what you admitted?
It's all about the narrative, isn't it?
It's all about telling one lie after another about Trump to try and undo the election.
Better tell Bobby the news. There isn't going to be an impeachment.
Can't have it both ways.
And we all notice none of you leftys has one good thing to say about the Dems running in the clown car for POTUS.
Not one.
What a bunch of gutless little losers.
Sad.
"The more times Trump stonewalls, the more imbedded the public perception."
And the more the Dems scream 'impeachment' and can't follow through, the more the public will realize what a waste of time they are.
You leftys have painted yourselves into a corner.
You pound the table for impeachment for years and can't deliver.

[Bill Tozer]

Well, Nancy has her strategy, so in a way Jreta Von Barron has a point. Very clever. Very deceitful, very dishonest, yet clever. Clever cruelty.

-Scott, you almost got it right, IMHO.

“You pound the table for impeachment for years and can't deliver.” Its not that they pound the table and jungle drums into a frenzy for impeachment and can’t deliver, it’s that they WON’T deliver. That’s the strategy.

“Speaker Pelosi Resists Official Impeachment To Keep Control Of The Process”

https://www.oann.com/watch-source-speaker-pelosi-resists-official-impeachment-to-keep-control-of-the-process/

[Bill Tozer]

How dare you. How dare you

https://www.facebook.com/groups/284355732079933/permalink/717663442082491/

[George Rebane]

Power off at 315am. Outside it’s DEAD CALM, and has been so all night. Does anyone know of any high wind in the Sierra right now that might justify PGE’s politically punitive power outage?

[Walt]

Not a leaf moving down here.

[scenes]

Hello everyone. I thought I'd check in and see how the Zombie Apocalypse/Carrington Event is coming.

My personal weather sense is showing 0.01 mph wind thus far, although it seems to be going down from that. Beaufort scale 0 for those keeping track.

PG&E Restoration date: TBA Restoration time: TBA.

For full effect, I expect they might wait until all the grocery store freezers are room temperature, cellphone towers are down for a skosh, global warming protestors set up shop outside city halls.

And so it goes (h/t to Linda Ellerbee)

[Walt]

About time you showed up. Nice to see your post again.
Witness protection?

[Bill Tozer]

Hi scenes. Someone said power was out, but I haven't a clue...dredging for gold and living in a van down by the river. Had a great campfire last night and the smoke went straight up to the gods. They were pleased with my offering of toilet paper smoke.

[scenes]

"Witness protection?"

Nah, just bored with Paul being both silly and argumentative at the same time. The stupid, it burns.

re: Toilet Paper Smoke Offerings.

They only work properly with the proper holy songs. Judging from our local FM station, the words go 'hey yah, hey yah, hey yah, hey yah'. It seems to be a rather limited vocabulary, but then who am I to judge?

[Bill Tozer]

AOC wants to have a serious convesation, roflmao.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/ocasio-cortez-calls-for-abolishing-prisons-in-the-united-states

[George Rebane]

Please continue your power outage bitches & moans (and thoughtful comments) at'Outrageous Outages', thank you.

[Bill Tozer]

Aha! I knew it. If you support Greta von Barron, your white priveledge is showing and you ARE a racist just like our local lefties here on RR. How dare they.

http://dlvr.it/RFrLr2

[Robert Cross]

In the "grab'em by the pussy". category -- a new book, “All the President’s Women: Donald Trump and the Making of a Predator,” lists 43 NEW woman who say trump attacked them. Was he just joking? Is each and every one of trump's accusers lying like Sarah Huckster says? Tune in to Reality Government, it's on every day just like all the other soap operas. Oh yes, and all you ruminators keep scrambling to come up with excuses and deflections.. it't really funny to watch you squirm and compromise your morals in support of a deranged sick puppy trumpy.

[fish]

Posted by: Roberat Cross | 09 October 2019 at 10:53 AM

Oh yes, and all you ruminators keep scrambling to come up with excuses and deflections.. it't really funny to watch you squirm and compromise your morals in support of a deranged sick puppy trumpy.

Excuses and deflections? It's not Hillary …. at this point in history…..that's enough!

Why did you nominate a woman who the country hated more than Trump?

[Robert Cross]

In the 'truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" category: Trumpler only made 66 false claims last week. During the last 13 weeks he has averaged 60 false claims per week putting his total since taking office somewhere near 13,000. But it's all fake news, and deep state shenanigans, and media lies. Now the intelligence community is out to get him so he is cutting funding on executive oversight within those agencies. Nothing to hide folks, don't worry, it's not obstruction of justice to ignore the Constitution because all these people are conspiring to oust the Don and they are all bad people...every one of them..not a patriot in the bunch. The only real patriots are the yes men he has surrounded himself with in the administration who do what the Don tells them to do.. disagree and YOU'RE FIRED. So far 66 high ranking appointees have either been fired or resigned due to conflicts with the Don.

[Bill Tozer]

Looks like she used her secret weapon. Samson and Delilah. You show me yours and I'll show you mine. Nothing new under the Sun or under the sheets.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/09/defense-intelligence-agency-worker-arrested-for-leaking-to-reporters.html

[fish]

Posted by: Roberta Cross | 09 October 2019 at 11:38 AM

It's really going to suck for you guys if he beats you again……! But hey, Hillary is thinking about getting back into the fray so I'm sure it's all good!

[Don Bessee]

So much for beating Trump AGAIN in 2020 -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/09/ronan-farrow-claims-hillary-clinton-pressured-him-kill-weinstein-story/

;-)

[Walt]

Well,,, you can start diggin that new grave for another Proggy President wannabe. Beto soon to be tits up.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/09/end-road-beto-orourke-failed-meet-polling-threshold-november-debate/

[Bill Tozer]

I heard Bernue is up in Canada getting his medical treatments for his heart and scripts filled. Gotta walk the talk.

[Bill Tozer]

Biden and Trump smackdown. Game on.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-calls-for-trump-impeachment-trump-smacks-sleepy-joe-with-ukraine-video

[Bill Tozer]

Guns: SCOTUS sez no walking away.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/supreme-court-refuses-to-throw-out-new-york-gun-rights-case/

[Don Bessee]

Is anyone surprised? -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/09/nyt-whistleblower-redacted-third-fact-suggesting-potential-bias-against-trump/

;-)

[Paul Emery]

George

This is the guy you support being President of the United States. This is his opinion of the Kurds. The man is mentally ill and ignorant but he's your guy George as you've stated over and over again

"Trump on the Kurds: "They didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy, as an example." He suggests that they battled alongside U.S. forces for "their land," and adds, "With all of that being said, we like the Kurds."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-kurdish-forces-world-war-ii_n_5d9e624ce4b087efdba7a1c3

[Jig Wiggly]

Trump "Does not endorse" Turkish invasion of Syria after we open the gates by removing our troops. WTF does "does not endorse" mean? WTF "does does not endorse" mean to a 26 year old Kurdish man who has spent his entire life defending American ideals and (should we mention) American soldiers and American hard assets (oil refineries)?

This boy who has had our backs, must be happy to know Trump has his while a bayonet goes into it.

Those of you support Trump and his notions of being an American president can go to hell. He does not represent THIS American, and Rebane is welcome to ban me from his site for speaking my mind against you bastards who believe otherwise.

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 09 October 2019 at 06:27 PM

So waddya wanna do about it Punch?

[Bill Tozer]

Let me tell you about the birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees and the moon up above and a thing called love. Oh never mind

https://babylonbee.com/news/progressive-parents-sit-their-kids-down-for-talk-about-the-birds-and-the-bees-and-the-birds-who-want-to-become-bees-and-the-bees-who-identify-as-birds-and-buckle-up-kids-this-might-take-a-while/

[Bill Tozer]

Daily Quotes time

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QUOTES
Wednesday Short Cuts
Notable quotables from Peter Suderman, Jim Geraghty, Hillary Clinton, and more.

Political Editors · Oct. 9, 2019

Insight: “It is not the fact of liberty but the way in which liberty is exercised that ultimately determines whether liberty itself survives.” —Dorothy Thompson (1894-1961)

Sad but true: “Trump is president, and he has allowed the deficit to soar beyond the increases that were already projected to happen. And Republicans in Congress have reacted with muted concern at best, and more like a collective shrug. Trillion-dollar deficits under a Democrat were a national emergency. Trillion-dollar deficits under Trump are no biggie. It’s almost like the real problem, for many Republicans, wasn’t the deficit.” —Peter Suderman

For the record: “Corporate America doesn’t care if their products, ads, or messaging offend you, insult you, belittle you or demonize you. They’ll stand up to your complaints every time. But the moment an employee offends the Chinese government, they pee themselves and beg and grovel for mercy.” —Jim Geraghty

Good question: “Hey, Adam Schiff… How can an anonymous whistle-blower be receiving death threats if they are anonymous? You are so used to lying you don’t even know what comes out of your mouth anymore.” —Ryan Fournier

Food for thought: “What if the whistleblower had once worked for Biden? That would be wild.” —David Harsanyi

Braying jenny: “Maybe there does need to be a rematch. I mean, obviously I can beat him again.” —Hillary Clinton

Braying jackass: “I hope that in this country people who say that they’re Jesus-loving, God-loving, that they pay more attention to God-loving, Jesus-loving people on this side of the border with brown skin that are desperate, that are being treated cruelly by this president because he clearly doesn’t care about them.” —Julian Castro, who should have been arrested for human trafficking after bringing illegals across the border

And last… “Think about how China is reacting to a single tweet sent by a guy in Texas. Now imagine what it’s like to be an actual citizen of that country, entirely subject to its government’s whims. In conclusion, communism is bad. Very, very bad.” —Matt Walsh

[Paul Emery]

Fish
The Repubs should be responsible for nominating someone else to replace him of force him to resign. Otherwise he will either be impeached for various reasons or surely be defeated in the election bu the Dems. What in your view should we do about it? Glad you're concerned.

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 09 October 2019 at 07:12 PM

It doesn't appear that the republicans have any plans to nominate anyone else. If you are certain that he'll be defeated in the next election why beat the drum for impeachment?

[Gregory]

Punchy 712pm

It takes a special disconnect from Reality to expect the GOP, who overwhelmingly approve of President Trump (in the vicinity of 85%), to do the work of the Democrats to force him out of the oval orifice.

No, you'll just have to run a Dem against him and hope for the best.

If you don't think Quid Pro Joe or Fauxcahontas are up to the job, Hillary sounds like she's tanned, rested and ready.