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21 January 2020

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Bill Tozer

Great read, but rather long. 2nd half is good.

Whistleblower Was Overheard in '17 Discussing With Ally How to Remove Trump

“The whistleblower made statements to the inspector general under the penalty of perjury that were not true or correct,” said Rep. John Ratcliffe, a Republican member of the House Intelligence Committee.......

The whistleblower got caught,” Ratcliffe said. "The whistleblower made false statements. The whistleblower got caught with Chairman Schiff.”

He says the truth about what happened is documented on pages 53-73 of the transcript of Atkinson’s eight-hour testimony. Except that Schiff refuses to release it.

“The transcript is classified ‘Secret’ so Schiff can prevent you from seeing the answers to my questions,” Ratcliffe told RCI.

Atkinson replaced Charles McCullough as the intelligence community’s IG. McCullough is now a partner in the same law firm for which Bakaj and Zaid work. McCullough formerly reported directly to Obama’s National Intelligence Director, James Clapper, one of Trump’s biggest critics in the intelligence community and a regular agitator for his impeachment on CNN.

Hidden Political Agenda?

Atkinson also repeatedly refused to answer Senate Intelligence Committee questions about the political bias of the whistleblower. Republican members of the panel called his Sept. 26 testimony “evasive.” Senate investigators say they are seeking all records generated from Atkinson’s “preliminary review” of the whistleblower’s complaint, including evidence and “indicia” of the whistleblower’s “political bias” in favor of Biden.

Mary McCord: The Justice Department official worked with inspector general Atkinson during the Trump-Russia probe and now works with Democrats on the impeachment case.

Republicans point out that Atkinson was the top national security lawyer in the Obama Justice Department when it was investigating Trump campaign aides and Trump himself in 2016 and 2017. He worked closely with Laufman, the department’s former counterintelligence section chief who’s now aligned with the whistleblower’s attorneys. Also, Atkinson served as senior counsel to Mary McCord, the senior Justice official appointed by Obama who helped oversee the FBI’s Russia “collusion” probe, and who personally pressured the White House to fire then National Security Adviser Flynn. She and Atkinson worked together on the Russia case. Closing the circle tighter, McCord was Laufman’s boss at Justice.

As it happens, all three are now involved in the whistleblower case or the impeachment process.”

*And many more involved. :)

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/01/22/whistleblower_was_overheard_in_17_discussing_with_ally_how_to_remove_trump_121701.html

Guess this is related to impeachment

Bill Tozer

Many believe that the Democrats’ impeachment frenzy will boomerang against them. I am not confident of that, but I am certain that the Democrats have succeeded in unifying and motivating Republicans beyond anything we could have foreseen four years ago.“

Go Rand, go

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/impeachment-unites-republicans.php

Walt

That "opinion" holds plenty more water than yours Emery.
But feel free to prove it wrong.(good bloody luck)
So far it's "ME WIN". Oh... Still not impeachable. NOT in the impeachment papers. so,,,, tough shit.

What? not defending your boy "O" and his seven counts of breaking your beloved law? It must have been OK when he did it.Right Emery?
OK,,, It's your turn to respond with the predictable lame ass excuse.

Walt

So Emery,, "O" broke the law... Didn't he??? Come on.. you can admit it here. You only voted for him once,,, or so you say.
So "O" is seven to Trump's one. So nothing to say on the matter? Make your opinion count for once.

Walt

Morn'n .. Some Proggy Press for your reading pleasure.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-george-stephanopoulos-trump-lawyer-jay-sekulow-comments
"ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos was caught on camera making a throat-slash gesture as the Disney-owned network cut away from President Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow taking questions from the press on Thursday during coverage of the Senate impeachment trial."

Yup, don't want those viewers hearing the truth.

odlaw

...From Sandbox Posted by: George Rebane | 24 January 2020 at 11:42 AM

As requested...

https://www.change.org/p/repeal-ab5-give-our-rights-back-to-all-gig-side-hustle-and-independent-contracts-repeal-ab5-give-our-rights-back-to-all-gig-side-hustle-and-independent-contracts?use_react=false

George Rebane

odlaW 1153am - You missed it again. My 1142am request was for you to address your party leaders' endorsement of a nationwide AB5. What is your assessment of such an endorsement, and its potential impact on their election chances should one of them get the nomination?

odlaw

Posted by: George Rebane | 24 January 2020 at 12:45 PM

,,,Okey Dokey...

So far as I can tell AB5 was written for folks like Uber drivers who wanted more benefits than what they could get as freelancers...

But AB5 was not well thought out, poorly written and is causing all kinds of problems...

Much of political campaigning is about jumping on the cause du jour bandwagons. I have not paid much attention to nationwide AB5 discussions.
I think it goes along with the whole Unionize...collective bargaining notion so the likes of Lizzy and Bernie would jump on that bandwagon...not sure who else...

I would not want to see any other similar laws go into effect that did not address the problems for small time independents that would make it harder for them to be able to help make ends meet through gigs, side hustles, etc.

Walt

That right. Blame the "gig" worker Dougy. Not the greedy ass politician looking to tax anyone with a pulse. You just cast the blame(via wide paint brush) on your pals Emery and Crabb.
Gotta ram them into "uncovered" Ca. too. But yes, gotta get the unions fresh people to extort as well.

odlaw

Posted by: Walt | 24 January 2020 at 02:51 PM

,,,Well done Wally!!! Do you have any idea what you are talking about...or is that the hooch talking again???

https://www.investopedia.com/california-assembly-bill-5-ab5-4773201


Walt

Really? Talk to Emery and Crabb.
You would never follow it anyway. You know,, laws like that don't apply to you. Remember your bragging about how no need to register your orange tractor with CARB? or your piss poor math skills where the need for a contractor's licence didn't apply to you?
Sure Dougy.. Whatever you say.

Scott O

odd-law 2:26 - "So far as I can tell AB5 was written for folks like Uber drivers who wanted more benefits than what they could get as freelancers...
BS - If Uber drivers wanted wanted more benies, why didn't they get a job with benies?

But AB5 was not well thought out, poorly written and is causing all kinds of problems..."
Well- that would be the Democrats. They seem to be pretty good at that. And Oddy wants to vote for one for POTUS.
The Dems wanted to try to rope more folks into more taxes and maybe more unionized workers. That's why they came up with a this idiot law.

Bill Tozer

Good read.

How the Golden State Embraced Corporate Socialism

https://amgreatness.com/2020/01/24/how-the-golden-state-embraced-corporate-socialism/

Walt

Come on Proggys,, you better call it off due to lack of interest.
https://nypost.com/2020/01/24/trump-impeachment-half-empty-spectator-gallery-puzzles-senators/

Since Ren and Stimpy opened the door to the dirty Bidens
look at the fun when a vote is called just to have his ass dragged in for questioning. But the ones LIBS want,,, well,, tough shit. (Trump throws the exec. privilege card.)
Can you see Nadless Nadler scoot across the floor like a dog with worms? Ya.. That kind of buttsore.

odlaw

Posted by: Scott O | 24 January 2020 at 06:08 PM

Scotto cannot comprehend the written word...

I said it was my understanding that gig workers wanted more from companies like Uber...

I did not say that it was the right thing for them to do.

Let’s hear it from Scotto... what was the evolution of AB5???

fish

Posted by: odlaw | 25 January 2020 at 07:08 AM


Hey Comma Man, what, no commas?

odlaw

,,,Conservo Impeachment defense is already blowing it 15 minutes into their rebuttal...

They are whining about Democrats but not providing new evidence...because Trump has all the docs...

Forget Biden, process, Crowdstrike, Ukraine military support, wars, etc. for a minute...

...The only question is...did the president ask for a favor...Yes, he did

That would not be a big deal...but...Trump asked for a favor of digging up dirt on a political opponent during the run up to a Presidential election...not allowed...end of story...

Scott O

odd-law is really outlaw. "They are whining about Democrats but not providing new evidence...because Trump has all the docs..."
The defense doesn't have to provide anything. It's up to the prosecution to prove their case. If they don't have any evidence, they don't have a case.
odd-law is the one whining.
Sorry, odd-law - but you'll get your chance to vote for your choice of liar pretty soon. Be sure to keep us up to date!

fish

Posted by: odlaw | 25 January 2020 at 07:28 AM

election...not allowed...end of story...



YeAh......GOod LuCk WITh tHAt dUgSkkkI!

Scott O

oddy can't read - "Let’s hear it from Scotto... what was the evolution of AB5???"
Go back and read my post at 6:08.
and
"I did not say that it was the right thing for them to do."
When did I indicate what you thought about it being right or wrong in the first place?
Heck - I even agreed with you that it was a crappy law.
Try to calm down, dude.

scenes

Scotto: "But AB5 was not well thought out, poorly written and is causing all kinds of problems..."
Well- that would be the Democrats. They seem to be pretty good at that. And Oddy wants to vote for one for POTUS."

It seems to me that nearly all laws are not well thought out, the law of unintended consequences kicks in and that's that.

The problem is that liberals think of laws (or regulations) first when attempting to solve a perceived problem. Fast forward the years since the early part of the 20th C. and you end up with a tumor-sized mass of unintended consequences. The thing is, being a legislator is like being a company executive making ill-advised acquisitions, wrangling up a bunch of new regs is fun.

Speaking of new regs, which even occur at the company level:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-24/goldman-rule-adds-to-death-knell-of-the-all-white-male-board

It would be funny to see all new corporations find a likely fellow, let's say Colin Powell or Morgan Freeman, and use him on every single board. It would be tough to pull off, but amusing.

As an aside, from the introduction to the second edition of Brave New World (1946).

"A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slave who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors, and school teachers."

I'd say that the social media companies make pretty good ministries of propaganda. That Huxley knew what he was about.

George Rebane

It appears that the President’s defense team has blown the Dems’ impeachment case out of the water by simply presenting testimony videos that strongly contradict the cherry picked ‘evidence’ that Team Schiff has presented. The prosecution has demonstrated itself to be lying sacks of shit, and this from only the first couple of hours. Bottom line, these guys are really bad in so many ways beyond having presented a collapsed process and a shell-game of a case, they simply are bad for America.

Scott O

scenes 8:48 - from the article:
"“Starting on July 1st in the U.S. and Europe, we’re not going to take a company public unless there's at least one diverse board candidate, with a focus on women,” Solomon told CNBC Thursday. He didn't mention Asia, which continues to lag behind other regions when it comes to board diversity."
Looks like virtue signalling has it's limits.
Why aren't Asian countries included?

Bill Tozer

So, how many days until the acquittal party??

scenes

comma-man : "Trump asked for a favor of digging up dirt on a political opponent during the run up to a Presidential election...not allowed"

lol. How do you figure? Short version: Trump reminds Zelenskyy that Biden bragged about having a Ukrainian prosecutor fired, could he look into it?

Are you a child? That's the weakest excuse for a successful impeachment I could imagine. A good rule of thumb is that any impeachment votes that fall on pure party lines are purest BS, it's just an attempt to run a parliamentary system in the US.

Just imagine pinning a microphone to all prior Presidents and their factotums like a James Baker or Kissinger. Can you imagine the crimes that would be unearthed?

It's so painfully obvious that this whole deal is just a measured tactic in the 2020 election. I'm mostly just bored with it. Get the inevitable vote over, put the fidget spinners down, get back to approving judges.

My favorite part about the God-Emperor's reign is that practically all of his 'crimes' involve the methodology in which a bonafide Democratic party evil-doing is unearthed. Just think back. He's a bull in a china shop, and the china shop sorely deserves being torn apart.

scenes

Scotto: "Why aren't Asian countries included?"

Dunno. Probably because the Asians would tell them to pound sand.

I can't say that the Blue Mob has much purchase there, a singular advantage in the upcoming competition.

Don Bessee

Its over -

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/01/25/impeachment-ratings-collapse-trumps-job-approval-hits-record-highs/

Axelrod said, “I was in a focus group this morning for the Institute of Politics here at the University of Chicago with some Chicago Democratic voters, and it was chilling to hear them talk about this. Because impeachment didn’t even come up, no one volunteered it for 80 minutes into the focus group, and we’re right in the middle of the trial.”

He continued, “When it came up, they said, you know, it’s terrible what he did, the case has been proven, but we know how it’s going to turn out. So, we’re not really that interested. We’re ready to move on. And I think that’s what Mitch McConnell and the president and the White House are banking on, that they can take the hit here, buffalo their way through this and that the public will move on. And it’s a cynical calculation, but it might not be the wrong calculation.”
(h/t The Hill)

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/01/24/axelrod-dem-voters-i-did-focus-group-with-were-ready-to-move-on-from-impeachment/

;-)

Walt

Can't wait for the house to write a bill stating quid pro quos illegal, and a crime punishable by death.
Well. THEY would be some of the first to be shot at sunrise.
(That's everyday politics.)
Someone explain that to Dung.

scenes

Just thinking out loud, I wonder how the Trump administration's experiences will change future Presidencies in terms of security.

A combination of Deep State surveillance, stay-behind partisans, opposition party leaks...all of these often flat illegal if not immoral...have made this the most transparent modern administration.

So what is the side effect? An increased tolerance by the hoi polloi for how the sausage is actually made? bad-ass internal affairs organizations? firing of the top 10,000 executive branch employees right after the election? down-to-the-bone minimization of contacts with the opposition party? Some combination?

People don't think much about the results of unsuccessful coups. Those are probably the more interesting ones.

George Rebane

scenes 920am - There's a very old adage that advises, 'If you're going to attack the king, then you'd better kill him.' The retribution scene from the Ivan the Terrible movie comes to mind.

Bill Tozer

Quid pro quo??

Well, Quid pro Quo is not included in the Articles of Impeachment. The trail is about what is IN the Articles of Impeachment. Bribery is not, Crowdstrike. is not, extortion is not, firing an ambassador is not.....

Focus, Dems, focus.
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Quote of the Day yesterday. What the Democrats call ‘Obstruction of Congress’ is known as Separation of Powers.” —one of those Republican House members on the management team

Walt

Today was " LIBS have no case, Schitt for brains and the round mound are liars. Trump did nothing wrong..." Drop the mic.
"We are out of here. See you Monday."

odlaw

,,,Biden was on a board of directors!!!
,,,Biden was on a board of directors!!!
,,,Biden was on a board of directors!!!...and was well paid

Let's find out how many former Congress members served on boards.

How expert were these Congressmen in the businesses and products of the companies they were directors of???

'''In an election year dominated by populist outsiders, politicians are learning that cozy relationships with corporate America can be a liability.

Take former U.S. Senator Evan Bayh, a Democrat from Indiana, whose campaign to regain his old seat has been impeded by the $3.8 million he made serving on four corporate boards after he left the Senate. Bayh’s early lead in the race has evaporated as well-funded conservative groups have spent millions in ads attacking him as a creature of Washington beholden to special interests. His role as a director of one of the banks that got taxpayer money during the 2008 financial crisis has drawn criticism because he voted in favor of the federal aid.

And yet “director” is a popular and lucrative job title for many former members of Congress. Last year, the 64 one-time lawmakers who sat on boards pulled down an average $357,182, twice what they earned when taxpayers paid their salaries, according to data compiled by Bloomberg of former members of Congress who served on Russell 3000 company boards in 2015.'''

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-congressional-board-pay/

oldaw

,,,who are those people testifying in those videos of the House inquiry and who are those guys asking those questions???

I thought Conservo lawyers said no witnesses were allowed to be called by Republicans and no Republicans were allowed in the House inquiry???

...and it was SO SAD that Conservos decided to hold a sit in at the Basement and eat pizza in protest!!!

Walt

Duugy.. I hear AMTRAK has an opening on it's board of directors. Go apply. Who the hell needs experience these days?
Just tell them your a Proggy stooge. That should do it.. Oh.. wait a minute. You have no family way up in government to grease the tracks to money depot. Maybe Emery could help with a hemp shipping contract.
Naaa.. Anyone with no experience can score a six figure a month gig like that in a corrupt corporation.

Walt

I see Dung didn't watch the House inquisitions.
Just when did Repubs get to call witnesses? You know,, the ones only approved by Schifflis? How bout the ones in Nadless's kangaroo court? "Witnesses can be called AFTER the verdict".

George Rebane

Interesting that our libs can't parse the difference between ex-congresscritters serving on American company boards, and Hunter serving on the Burisma board for big bucks while daddy was VP and constructively fired (for quid pro quo) Ukraine's govt prosecutor investigating Burisma for its well-known corruption. That deficit is well represented in Team Nancy's efforts to keep Trump off the November ballot. Talk about a blatant conspiracy all in the name of 'saving our democracy' - an historical crock indeed.

odlaW 1010am - There's point hiding in there somewhere; out with it!

Bill Tozer

Kinda interesting how patient we on the right have been during this whole Dem debacle. The House called all the shots for 78 days and on Day 71, they invite Trump to come on down to prove his innocence, lol.

Then we (and the Senate) patiently suffered through 24 long hours as the Dem management team made its case to the Senate and the ‘American’ people.

So, after 78 days of the House Dems pontificating and calling the shots followed by a week in the Senate putting everyone to sleep, finally...finally the defense is allowed to put forth their case for three hours and the Unhinged flip out, ROFLMAO.

See ya Monday morning all bright and bushy tailed.

Just because the Dems say it does not make it true. But, we all knew that long ago.

odlaw

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 25 January 2020 at 10:55 AM

,,,yes Bill,,, waiting for the witnesses Trump has hidden away to testify...Waiting for further witnesses to be summoned by the Conservos.

,,,It is kind of obvious that the House inquiry contained testimony to get to the House impeachment vote and that the Demos would have to submit that testimony again at the ‘’’not a trial’’’ in the Senate...

Bill Tozer

Andrew McCarthy looks at both sides of the Burmisa arguments and allegations.

The Democrats’ Burisma Bait and Switch

“Moreover, the president was denied the right to have his counsel participate in the main investigative phase, run by Schiff. So, even though Schiff began the House hearings with an absurd parody version of the Trump–Zelensky conversation, falsely suggesting that Trump had asked Zelensky to “make up dirt” about Biden, the House denied the president the opportunity to prove that he was actually asking for help investigating activity that, objectively, appears quite suspicious and potentially corrupt.

Even if such an investigation would have helped Trump politically, it is a much different scenario if there was a real basis to believe the Bidens’ conduct should be scrutinized. Joe Biden is not immune from investigation just because he is running for president — certainly no more than the president himself is immune (which, obviously, he’s not).

The president has to be given an opportunity to prove his rebuttal case. A trial is not a trial, not in the American tradition, if prosecutors are permitted to level a serious accusation and then deny the accused the right to mount a defense.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/trump-impeachment-trial-democrats-burisma-bait-and-switch/

Don Bessee

No surprise there, boring repetitive lies turns off the public. -

https://nypost.com/2020/01/24/trump-impeachment-half-empty-spectator-gallery-puzzles-senators/

;-)

Bill Tozer

Don @ 11:13 am

Republican Senators Don Trusty Googly-Eye Glasses In Order To Get Some Sleep During Impeachment Trial

https://babylonbee.com/news/senators-don-glasses-with-eyes-painted-on-them-to-look-like-theyre-paying-attention?

odlaw

Posted by: George Rebane | 25 January 2020 at 10:48 AM

about my 1010a...as you can see Cipollone lied...but the Roundtable will believe anything Fox tells them...

Falsehood No. 1: Trump’s lawyers claimed Republicans didn’t have access to key information during House impeachment inquiry
As part of an effort to portray the process that resulted in Trump’s impeachment and trial as a partisan witch hunt, Cipollone at one point complained that “not even [House Intelligence Committee chair and impeachment manager Adam] Schiff’s Republican colleagues were allowed into the SCIF,” or Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, which is basically the secure facility that members of Congress used to review classified information pertinent to the impeachment inquiry.

This assertion is not true. As a number of reporters pointed out, not only did Republicans involved in the impeachment have access to the SCIF, but many of them also used it.

As part of a made-for-TV stunt, House Republicans did storm a SCIF in October to protest Democrats not providing Republicans who were otherwise uninvolved in the impeachment inquiry with access to closed-door depositions. However, Republicans who are members of one of the three committees involved in the process had the same access as Democrats.

When the trial resumed after a brief pause following Sekulow and Cipollone’s statements, Schiff noted that Cipollone made “a false statement” about access to the SCIF, saying, “I will tell you this: He’s mistaken. He’s mistaken ... [Republicans] got the same time we did.”

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/21/21075791/trump-impeachment-lawyers-jay-sekulow-pat-cipollone-opening-statement

Bill Tozer

From Don’s link @ 11:13 am

“You know, 28 hours of hearing the same thing over and over again isn’t all that exciting,” said Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who has passed the hours with crossword puzzles.”

I believe Senator Paul was referring to Odlaq’s posts on Rebane’s Ruminations! Yes, I believe we have finally made the nation press. Kudos to Dr. Rebane. And of course, we could not have done it without our Comma Man.

28 hours of hearing the same thing over and over again. What else could Eand been referring to

odlaw

Posted by: George Rebane | 25 January 2020 at 10:48 AM

,,,about my 1003a

,,,No George,,,not that dissimilar...

Politicians obviously are desired on corporate boards. They get those positions because of political influence.
US, foreign, it does not make a difference...
Manafort, Gates, Flynn were foreign agents dining on their political connections...

,,,your quid pro quo comparison is false,,,

Joe Biden this for that was US government business for corrupt Ukraine politicians to be removed.
Trump this for that was US government business for personal favor to smear Biden...big difference!!!

Bill Tozer

So, this is what Odlac was upset about. I watched a few minutes and the video (10 min) presented by the defense and it’s all public record. Yep, it that is the only direct eye witness to the phone all the Dems have.....ahnevermind , we have already covered this ground weeks before.

Worth a watch, even for a couple of minutes.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=dan%20bongino&epa=SEARCH_BOX

Bonus!!

“,,,who are those people testifying in those videos of the House inquiry and who are those guys asking those questions???

I thought Conservo lawyers said no witnesses were allowed to be called by Republicans and no Republicans were allowed in the House inquiry???
Posted by: oldaw | 25 January 2020 at 10:10 AM”

Bill Tozer

Darn it all.

Try this

https://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/1487907534667040/

Walt

Oddball is losing it. Remember? Schitt for brains said they have overwhelming evidence. So no need for witnesses. You use the ammo you showed up with. (which is wet and in the wrong calibur.)

scenes

Mr Kunstler on a fine freaky Friday.

shorturl.at/DELR8

"You have to wonder how many Democratic senators spend the long hours of impeachment fantasizing how to end the misery of listening to Rep. Adam Schiff deliver the party’s funeral oration. Please God, hurl a lightning bolt at the podium… bring down a chunk of the fine old coffered ceiling where he stands and prates about a Russian invasion of Malibu… send a coral snake up the leg of his trousers…!

It was so bad that his California counterpart, Senator Dianne Feinstein, just up-and-split late Wednesday. Elizabeth Warren has been seen furiously doodling maps of all the primary precincts she is failing to visit in her confinement. Bernie Sanders imagines himself wielding thirty inches of re-bar upside Mr. Schiff’s skull, while Amy Klobuchar pops her third Xanax of the evening. You have no idea what mental tribulation the House impeachment manager supreme is visiting on his colleagues.

The impeachment case against Mr. Trump might mercifully spell the end of the Master Narrative the Democrats have been confabulating since 2016: that Donald Trump invited the wicked Vlad Putin to checkmate Hillary Clinton and thereby crushed the hopes and dreams of those wishing to make Ukraine the 51st state… or something like that. Because according to Mr. Schiff, there is no nation on this planet as dear to the interests of America than darling Ukraine, with its radioactive forests, decrepitating Soviet infrastructure, and dedication to liberty

...."

odlaw

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 25 January 2020 at 11:47 AM

,,,Dan Boingo Boingo??? Yeah, I totally believe him, lol!...Old news...

The new news is this...AND bonus...this is in October!!!

'''KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine plans to fire the prosecutor who led investigations into the firm where Joe Biden's son served on the board, a central figure in the activity at the heart of impeachment proceedings against U.S. President Donald Trump, a source told Reuters.

Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani has acknowledged meeting the prosecutor, Kostiantyn Kulyk, to discuss accusations against the Bidens.'''

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-impeachment-prosecutor-excl/exclusive-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-who-discussed-bidens-with-giuliani-source-idUSKBN1XE20C

odlaw

Posted by: Walt | 25 January 2020 at 11:54 AM

,,,Very poor attempt...

I am waiting for Conservos to put witnesses up...you know like Mulvaney, Bolton, those guys...

George Rebane

odlaW 226pm - And, of course, we're waiting for the Senate to also put up witnesses ... you know, like the Bidens (all four?), Schiff, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, McCabe, Obama, those guys ...

Walt

Didn't read it the first time? Or half way through a box of discount wine?
Hunter may be the ONLY witness. Remember? the Senate says who they want to hear. Third hand stooges need not show up,
And Trump throws the exec. privilege card. Not even the Senate can over-rule that.

Bill Tozer

Watch out folks, Mt. Odlak is ready to blow!

Actually, I have so much confidence in the upcoming Acquittal Party (at the Miners Foundry perhaps?) that I can go with Lindsey Graham’s idea. No witnesses called as he and his committee of merry men will be certain to look into any corruption Joe Biden and Co may have engaged in. Think about it. Graham can drag his committee hearings out all summer and into the fall.

Lindsey Graham Says He Would Oppose Effort to Compel Hunter Biden Testimony

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-impeachment-trial-lindsey-graham-would-oppose-effort-to-compel-hunter-biden-testimony/
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Hmmm. Lindsey Graham, now known as “The Homo” to our Enlightened Party of Diversity and Tolerance, just asked how could Hunter take a trip with Pa and come back with 1.5 BILLION dollars to invest for the Chi-Coms. Boy, Hunter and John Kerry’s stepson must be world renowned financial investor gurus, eh? Lol.

Drip, drip, drip
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Scenes @ 1:04 am: Mr Kunstler on a fine freaky Friday

Thankyou, thankyou, thank you, sir. I love fun reads.
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To repeat. Go to your bunkers, fellars. Odlaj has reached DEFCON 4.

scenes

Me and the boys at the Bolshoy Dom have decided that we're bored with this silly impeachment thing. No time for witnesses, just vote and be done. Donald Frederickovich, on the speakerphone, seems to be of similar mind.

It's time to get back to the cage match between the crazy wild-haired Marxist, the midget billionaire, the irritating part-time law school professor, the creepy uncle, and the gay mayor. Vince McMahon couldn't have designed a better fight with a preordained outcome.

Bill Tozer

If loving you is wrong, I don’t want to be right.

A POSTMODERN IMPEACHMENT

“The mainstream media now celebrate the Schiff variation on the Epimenides paradox in his closing remarks Thursday evening (video below): “If right doesn’t matter—if right doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter how good the Constitution is. It doesn’t matter how brilliant the Framers were,” he proclaimed. “Doesn’t matter how good or bad our advocacy in this trial is. Doesn’t matter how well written the oath of impartiality is. If right doesn’t matter, we’re lost. If the truth doesn’t matter, we’re lost.”

Adam Schiff, you’re lost.”

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/a-postmodern-impeachment.php

Bonus
https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-22-at-8.01.06-PM.png?w=1080&ssl=1

https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-21-at-11.56.32-AM.png?w=866&ssl=1

https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/01/IMG_2563.jpg?w=640&ssl=1

and finally......

https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/01/image018-copy-2-1.jpg?w=433&ssl=1


Walt

Who does Schiffty think he is? Baghdad Bob?
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/01/25/schiff-uncontested-that-trump-invited-ukraine-to-help-him-cheat/

odlaw

Posted by: George Rebane | 25 January 2020 at 02:42 PM

Sure,,,Obama had everything to do with Trump asking for favors ...

rcroww

In the 'I don't know him maybe I took a picture with him, I take pictures with a lot of people' category: A 90 minute recording has emerged of trumpler talking with the person he doesn't know, Lev Parnas; you know, the guy who claims trumpler was in on the whole scheme to extort the President of Ukraine. The recording was made at a donor dinner where trumpler had this to say about the life long public servant and dedicated Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, "Get her out tomorrow. I don't care.....Get her out tomorrow. Take her out. OK? Do it."
During that discussion, Trump asks a person, Parnas, how long Ukraine would last in fight against Russia. Parnas replies "without us, not very long," and another person chimes in, "about 30 minutes." Parnas later says, "the biggest problem there I think, where you need to start, is we gotta get rid of the ambassador. She's still left over from the Clinton administration." A few months later, Trump would try to cut off military aid to Ukraine and fire the ambassador.

Just another brick in the wall of goombah, whether you want to believe it or not.

Bill Tozer

ROFLMAO

Little buddy rcroww @ 4:45 pm. You are sooo aborable.

Trump wanted Marie Yovanovitch fired in April 2018, but she wasn’t given the boot until 13 months later in May of 2019. Plus, she lied in her testimony before the House Impeachment hearings....several times. It’s on record.
Oh my, little goombah, keep trying until you get something right. Best for you to post hourly temperatures in NC or something better suited for your skillset.

“The latest impeachment related story — a non-story in my view — is about a tape recording in which President Trump (according to reports) instructed associates to fire Marie Yovanovitch, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. The recording apparently was made at a dinner party in April 2018 by Igor Fruman, one of Rudy Giuliani’s main Ukraine operatives (along with Lev Parnas).

Yovanovitch wasn’t fired until May 2019. Thus, there is less to this story than meets the eye.

Nor did much meet the eye to begin with. According to reports, Trump demanded that Yovanovitch be fired after he heard she was bad mouthing the president in Ukraine. “Get rid of her” and “take her out” apparently was how he put it.

A president can fire an ambassador for any reason or no reason. If the ambassador is bad mouthing the president, that’s an excellent reason.”

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/a-meaningless-tape-recording-of-trump.php
——————

Photo contradicts Pelosi's statement about not meeting Kislyak

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nancy-pelosi-sergey-kislyak-meeting-235653

Like I really care.

odlaw

Posted by: rcroww | 25 January 2020 at 04:45 PM

Yes,,,Trump is an extreme liar...
But the locals here are his robots...

fish

Posted by: odlaw | 25 January 2020 at 05:07 PM



dugsKKKi is weeping

Hillary not President

It is sweet music

Bill Tozer

Hey, that friggin Peloski is ripping off Trump’s rally song.

https://www.facebook.com/conservativepoliticstoday/videos/2790014941021534/UzpfSTEwMDAwMTEwNzM4NDQ2OToyNzcyODA2MzMyNzY2MjUy/

George Rebane

Trump "wanted to cut off aid to Ukraine." - my, oh my. Now there's proof of the multiverse theory.

Walt

Embarrassed in front of the entire Senate.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/25/john-barrasso-adam-schiff-parody-backfired/

How that for some evidence for ya'?

scenes

comma-man:
"Yes,,,Trump is an extreme liar...
But the locals
here are his robots..."

almost a haiku. another.

Blue Mob carries on
Waving Tyrannosaur arms
While The Trump abides

Walt

We are Trump's robots?,, Works for me. Better than an Obamabot like you. Care to compare the state of the union under each?
Which one turned out better? Hows Trump's economy compared to your boy "O"'s? Tell us "O"('s) asswipe(r).

Walt

Will Schiff take the 5TH?
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/25/josh-hawley-plans-to-force-subpoena-votes-for-bidens-schiff-whistleblower/

NOTHING in the rules say he can't be dragged to the stand.
And all the times he may purger himself.

Bill Tozer

Walt @ 7:18 pm

“And all the times he may purger himself.”

Or bugger himself.

Walt

AHHHhhhhh. There is that too Bro Bill. Maybe with that gavil he loved so much down in the basement?

scenes

Is the 'whistleblower' that Ciaremella cat?

Heck, some admirer even put up a webpage for him.

https://ericciaramella.org/

You just know how many promises he got from the (D) leadership about how they'd protect him and everything would be fine and and. lol.

Kinda young to be thrown to the dogs, but I guess it's the price of an education.

He'll probably just get a gig at a non-profit as a payoff. Hey, maybe even in Truckee!

odlaw

,,,Careful of what you wish for,,,

If the the Senate does not force Trump to release witnesses and documents the Senate trial will be seen as just another step the Conservos are lurching towards an autocratic society...

Not going to help them at the ballot box...

Bill Tozer

“If the Senate....”

Now, let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves. We first have to hear two more days from the WH lawyers. After all, the WH lawyers were not allowed to speak at the House inquiry nor cross exam witnesses nor present a defense, vigorous or otherwise. Then the vote to see which, if any, witnesses are deemed necessary.

“If the Senate.......trial will be seen as just another step the Conservos are lurching towards an autocratic society...

Time will tell. Schiffilis’s audience has always been the far left, not R’s or the American voter in general who have tuned out. The Democrats are already laying the ground work (and laying it thick) to delegitimize the 2020 Election and come up with a boogie man (excuse) why they lost...if the Senate does not do what the House (Nadler, Nancy, and Schiffilis ) demands.

“Not going to help them at the ballot box...”. Well, that is a risk I would gladly take...judging solely by the Clown Car competition.. have a sneaky feeling that only certain witnesses are deemed suitable to the Democrats and Odlay, others must not be called to testify under any circumstances.

“If the Senate...”. And if bullfrogs could fly, they would not bump their rump on a stump.

There might be some witnesses called. Probably some of much interest.

WHERE’S WALDO WHISTLEBLOWER?

SCHIFF (tape): Yes, we would love to talk directly with the whistleblower.

We’ll get the unfiltered testimony of that whistleblower.

We don’t need the whistleblower.”

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/01/wheres-waldo-whistleblower.php
————
Maybe the Senate will call key witnesses. Time will tell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiGGHR0fLL8

As an interesting side note, now they (the Evil Royal We) want Rafael Ted Cruz investigated, lol.

George Rebane

Remarkably, it never enters the mind of the progressive that there may be tens of millions of Americans who have seen through the sham of the House impeachment circus, and consider it the duty of the Senate to now bring this sordid chapter of the country’s governance to a prudently rapid conclusion, given the “overwhelming evidence” to convict that the Dems, in solemn kabuki fashion, marched across the Capitol rotunda to the Senate chamber.

Bo Cross

It is the duty of the Senate to call witnesses and obtain documents that will either prove or disprove the impeachment charges.
Anything less is a sham and a kangaroo court that is rigged to hide guilt, or so it would seem unless proven otherwise.
Of course, if you are a trumplican truth doesn't matter, just retaining power.

scenes

comma-man "the Conservos are lurching towards an autocratic society."

I'm afraid that that already happened with the election of FDR.

Everybody loves an activist President who does what they like, whether it's open borders/men-in-womens-restrooms/gifts for favored identity groups or border security/don't invade Syria/try to strike favorable trade deals.

We do have the additional icing of fighting for the life of Western Civilization this time around, which raises the ante. Generally, it's safest for people to stick with the one that brung 'em, which makes the sight of anti-EuroWhiteMales who themselves are members of that group one of the most pitiful things in my experience. They need to get going on their Latin homework.

Bill Tozer

@ 8:12 am

“Remarkably, it never enters the mind of the progressive that there may be tens of millions of....”

Actually, Odlat’s comment was quite revealing. “ Not going to help them at the ballot box..”

Just shows that the entire Impeachment trail to the Left is solely about “the ballot box.” Nothing else matters to them. We, in contrast, see the Trail as an end in and off itself. We purse truth, blind justice, and fairness (no matter where the chips may fall), while they seek a thumb on the scale and winning at the ballot box.

We do not, in the overarching goal,, put the highest priority “at the ballot box” in this impeachment saga. Whether it hurts the R’s or not at the ballot box is of less import than the matter at hand.

Two different perspectives, two different goals, two different considerations. This is not to discount that impeachment is truly a political process, but rather it serves as a window into the Liberal mind.

scenes

GeorgeR: "this sordid chapter of the country’s governance to a prudently rapid conclusion"

That's my take.

You certainly can't blame Team Blue for giving it a shot, and you can expect the bar to be lower for impeachment from now on. Winning whatever they can in 2020 is the Prime Directive and devil take the hindmost.

I'd like to see about a day's worth of legal argument by the defense, a quick acquittal, and on to the real business...getting the Justice Department to bring the folks in the attempted coup to trial. Spend your energy budget on that. I don't much care about Junior Biden's grift and his obvious help from dad (like I don't care about Monica Lewinsky), but those folks in the Blue Mob cells at the three letter agencies need some serious time on the rack for anything illegal they have done. The entry of the intelligence and federal police agencies into selecting Presidents really can't be allowed.

odlaw

Posted by: George Rebane | 26 January 2020 at 08:12 AM

,,,What the difference between the obstruction by the Senate and a Russian sham trial or election???

scenes

comma-man ",,,What the difference between the obstruction by the Senate and a Russian sham trial or election???"

,,,What the difference between the impeachment by the House and a Russian sham trial or election???

Remember that a Soviet sham trial was put in place to find people guilty.

odlaw

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 26 January 2020 at 09:40 AM

,,,Window into the Liberal mind...blah blah blah

‘’’We, in contrast, see the Trail as an end in and off itself. We purse truth, blind justice, and fairness (no matter where the chips may fall)’’’...sure Bill,,,that is why you don’t want witnesses or documents...

What a crock Bill...your ilk are legends in their own mind...

‘’’ the Trail as an end in and off itself’’’...Yes, the end of the Trail for Trump,lol!!!

scenes

re: Gerrymandering.

It's been true since the beginning of the republic. I've never seen a good explanation on how to apportion districts.

Speaking of North Carolina. A picture of North Carolina's 12th district, put specifically in place to produce a given ethnic result in voting:

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wfae/files/styles/medium/public/201305/Slide05.jpg

It's long time Representative and Obama supplicant, Mel Watt:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Watt#/media/File:Mel_Watt_official_photo.jpg

Lesson. Democrats are well aware of how to manipulate maps. or they are more stupid than the Republican nomenklatura.

scenes

Hang on, I thought I was responding to some gerrymandering post. Did it disappear or am I imagining it

Walt

The end Trump's trail is 5 years from now Dung.
The Jr. takes over.
Like I told the Buzzard of Broad St.. Your chances of seeing another Commiecrat elected are slim and none. The worms will have ate somewhat well by then.

odlaw

,,,Yes Scenes,,,Bill has hacked into Typepad and is deleting posts he does not like, lol

odlaw

,,,Walt,,, I will print and frame your prognostications...

odlaw

,,,scenes,,,the gerrymandering post was a response to Bills glowing self review of himself and the Conservos...as it they can do no wrong...

Republicans don’t seem interested in non-partisan committees drawing district maps...Democrats are for non-partisan committees. That is why California works this way.

‘’’California’s Citizens Redistricting Commission Awarded Top 2017 Harvard Public Engagement in Government Award – July 6, 2017’’’

https://wedrawthelines.ca.gov/

Can’t get much worse than Michigan GOPers

https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2019/04/25/michigan-senate-cuts-sos-budget-to-fund-redistricting-panel/

Bill Tozer

“sure Bill,,,that is why you don’t want witnesses or documents...

What a crock Bill...your ilk are legends in their own mind...”. —Comma Man

Well, Odlap, you can pound your spoon and throw your food and have a temper tantrum till the cows come home for all I care. If you have a beef about documents and witnesses, take it up with the House that Pelosi built. The House Intelligence Committee and the House Judiciary Committee did not send needed documents of witnesses called prior to marching the Articles of Impeachment (2) over to the Senate. They were in such a rush because they only had eyes on the calendar, not justice, not making their case.
If they really cared solely about impeachment, the House would have done their due diligence first and foremost and been through and complete. But, noooooo.

What were the Dems hiding? Why do they oppose the Bidens and Schiff from testifying? If the Dems are so interested in making the truth known, why are they shielding witnesses such as the whistleblower? What are the Dems hiding? Why did there send over incomplete homework to be graded by the Senate? What are the Dems hiding?

Love it when you get in your high chair and demand to get what you want. Why the rush? What, are you blaming the US Senate for the House’s failure...a House controlled by your beloved Far Left jism stains? Why did they fail to take impeachment seriously and turned in a half-ass report? Why, why, why?

To repeat, what the Dems call Obstruction of Congress is what the Constitution calls Separation of Powers. Why are the Dems hiding Biden’s Ukrainian corruption from the American voter? Why are they hiding Biden’s Quid pro Quo Joe from the sunlight of the truth? What are they afraid of? Why, why, why. Did the dog eat Schiffilis homework?

https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-23-at-8.42.30-PM.png?w=1160&ssl=1

https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-21-at-11.56.16-AM.png?w=856&ssl=1

A good scout is always prepared. Haste makes waste is what Gomer Pyle’s momma always said. Gollyyyy.

Oh my, this will hurt the R’s at the ballot box. Newsflash Odlav: Biden is already wounded by the Dem’s race to impeachment. Crack smoking, coke snorting, stripper impregnating, deadbeat Dad screwing his dead brother’s wife Hunter Biden might...just might....be equated to Hillary’s e-mails in the 2016 election. You guys did a great job of hurting Sleepy Joe all by yourselves ROFLMAO. Whose great idea was that???

“Corn pop was a bad dude, man.” “We seek truth, not facts”—Joe Biden on the impeachment trail and his world viewpoint.

Kindergarten baby born in the gravy. Now, Odlaj, I want you to huff and puff and blow the House down.

Just like The Punch Drunk One blaming R’s for AB-15

odlaw

,,,,Billy is twisting off!!!

#SoSad!!!

,,,Yes TwinkleToes,,,The smear Biden scheme is paying dividends,,,just like the Conservos propaganda mill that tried to equate Hillary with piles of baggage in order to smear her...typical...

When you got nothing else,,,you insult and smear...just like in your last post...

Bill Tozer

Roflmao.

Now Odlad, tell us why the House sent over unfinished homework to the Senate. Why, why, why? Did they not take this grave matter seriously?

odlaw

,,,and Twinkie Toes,,,

Whistleblowers are supposed to be protected,,,unless the Conservos don’t like it directed at them...
So Trump’s shitstain of a son is trying to out him...

#suchadouche

“””Will the whistleblower’s identity be kept a secret?

The president told reporters he is “trying to find out” the identity of the whistleblower. Ultimately, there’s nothing that can block Trump from revealing who he or she is, said Bradley Moss, a whistleblower attorney who specializes in national security. However, the law explicitly tasks the president with enforcing protections against retaliation.

“It is patently offensive and insulting to whistleblowers to have the president talking about how he is going to out this person, how he is going to confront this person,” Moss said. “No matter who is in the Oval Office … the need for whistleblowers to be able to raise their concerns with confidentiality and anonymity is critical.”

What is unique about the Trump whistleblower complaint?

This is the first time a credible whistleblower case has involved the president. Now, the president is publicly criticizing a person he is mandated by law to protect. Questions also remain about the executive privilege and the president’s ability to stymie ongoing investigations against him.’’’

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/whistleblower-protections-explained

Bill Tozer

Scenes @ 9:50 am

“comma-man ",,,What the difference between the obstruction by the Senate and a Russian sham trial or election???"

,,,What the difference between the impeachment by the House and a Russian sham trial or election???”

Hmmm. Well, we already had our Russian Sham trial in the court of public opinion. Rachel Maddcow put her career on the line for it and many reporters and countless talking heads jumped in with both feet, journalistic standards be damned. Unfortunately, the Mueller Report threw a monkey wrench in the gears of that sham trial.

Still, the Russian Sham Trail continues unabated. “Show me the man and I will show you the crime.” —Commie Bastards.

Now Odlax is accusing the US Senate of obstructing Justice before the opening statements are completed. Yes, a window into the liberal mind. Big window.

Please, oh please Odlaz, tell us all how the US Senate is obstructing something. Enlighten us. Just because you say it does not make it true. Stick with giving hourly weather reports.

https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-24-at-7.32.28-AM.png?w=1174&ssl=1


Bill Tozer

Oh Odlay. The whistleblower.

We strongly disagree. The whistleblower is this case is not a statutory employee and it is up to the ICIG to protect his idenity with some exceptions.

Yes, he is protected against retaliation from his department, i.e, demotions, firing, not receiving warranted raises, hostile work environment, etc. The whistleblower statue does not protect him/her from the press, Congress, or even guarantee his/her anonymity..

But, you are free to disagree.


Don Bessee

While the trolls regurgitate the socialist dem sputum back in the real world its the economy stupid's! -

A Fox News poll shows that the 20 percent of Americans who rated the United States economy as excellent is up 17 percent from what it was during the last month of the Obama administration (December 2016) when only three percent gave it that rating.

And that 20 percent is up from 14 percent in October, despite the Democrats ongoing impeachment effort against President Donald Trump.


Moreover, the poll shows that 55 percent of American voters give the economy the highest rating in almost 20 years and they believe Trump is responsible for it.

The last time the poll found a higher percentage of those who rated the economy as excellent or good was in January 2001, when 59 percent gave it that rating.

;-)

odlaw

,,,Ok Donnie,,,thanks for your Fox News summary...

And your point is??? Oh right,,,Trump singlehandedly made this possible...

If you are that stupid I have a bridge to sell you...

I guess we can just say Thank you Trump....see you...wouldn’t want to be your impeached ass...and elect Bernie!!!lol;););)

Bill Tozer

Laugh test: Democrats claim high ground on defending Ukraine

“During his Friday presentation, Schiff tried to shame Republicans by playing a clip of the late Sen. John McCain talking about the threat that a democratic Ukraine posed to Putin’s vision for the region. Yet he neglected to show the speech in which McCain described the Russian takeover of Crimea as “the ultimate result” of Obama’s “feckless foreign policy where nobody believes in America’s strength anymore.”

When Russia first invaded Ukraine in March 2014, Schiff tried to deflect blame away from the Obama administration and onto the intelligence community. That same month, the California congressman cautioned against a tough response to Russia's aggression, warning that "the challenge is, we do need to have some kind of working relationship with Russia. And while we can impose these costs and take these steps, we’ve got to be mindful of the fact that they can impose their own costs on us."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/laugh-test-democrats-claim-high-ground-on-defending-ukraine

I remember some journalist tried to quantify how many Ukrainians were killed/injured due to their military aide being withheld by the Trump Administration. The researcher checked hospital records, talked to military commanders, through out sprained ankles and heart attacks and bumping your head and non enemy caused mishaps like car wrecks. What was found and verified was an hand grenade attack on the entrance to an apartment building, killing two. Another grenade attack wounded 2-3, assailant unknown.

So, let’s keep to the evidence before crying in the Union or here that people were killed because of the delay of military aid. Not sure if protective vests would save you from a grenade exploding 6” away.

Keeping it real.

odlaw

,,,Doesn’t matter Bill at 1238p

...it is all about the getting the favor of dirt on Biden’s...

Bill Tozer

Oh Odlab @ 12:43 pm
,,,Doesn’t matter Bill at 1238p

...it is all about the getting the favor of dirt on Biden’s...
———-

But I thought it was all about impeaching Trump for his high crimes, misdemeanors and being a direct threat to our National Security, Democracy, and the existence of Planet Earth. And interfering in our elections (past and future), burying evidence, and, of course, protecting the insidious bureaucratic state that knows better than us lowly voters. Opps, I forgot to mention it’s all about defeating Trump in 2020 and, if not, taking back the US Senate as the grand prize.

Silly me. I did not realize that Ukrainian aid does not matter and the only thing that matters is sullying Biden’s good name and impeccable unassailable character. Thanks for setting me straight and moving the goal posts.

Stupid me. And here I thunk wrongly that’s it was all about Ukraine (abuse of,power) and the ensuing Obstruction of Congress. I have a broken thinker.

Gee wheeze, and I am such a dunderhead that I almost believed this whole impeachment thang was the Dems trying interfere in an US election, just like they did in 2016 hiring Russian agents to getting the favor of dirt on Trump.

Tanks, tanks a rock.


odlaw

,,,yes Bill at 103p,,,asking a foreign nation to make false allegations about a political rival in an upcoming election by withholding US approved funds as a carrot for the favor is just like something that LowLife Trump would do...

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