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05 April 2020

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Bill Tozer

DATA SUGGEST MASKS MATTER, TESTS DON’T

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/data-suggest-masks-matter-tests-dont.php

George Rebane

BillT 558pm - An important error in the piece right from the gitgo - "Masks may(sic) be more important than testing to control COVID-19’s spread." It should read, 'Masks are more important than testing to control COVID-19’s spread.' As we know, testing is snapshot in time, and no one is doing comprehensive and timely testing of any population cohort to even get a snapshot of the C19 progress in that cohort. Small scale testing is used primarily to allocate healthcare resources to those few who have taken the test. And given the pace of C19 progress, the disease itself will quickly tell you whether you need healthcare or not - that's why they don't test you and tell you to go back home even when you show up with mild symptoms. It could be different if there were copious amounts of HCQ and AZ available.

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane.

The other error is that post should have been placed under ‘Face Masks: a considered view’.

L

Very well argued, George. Doesn't make the D party look very good...


The Estonian Fox

George - comment on the docs prescribing for their own:

Again, from my daughter, a PharmD - She received letters from the Pharmacy Boards of Nevada and Iowa, (she's licensed in both states) in the last week of March, stating that it was illegal for pharmacists to fill Rx for the chloroquines unless it was an existing customer (RA or Lupus); was for less than 14 days; or for a trial. The reason- so many docs were prescribing it for their relatives that quantities were being hoarded, and the ones who needed those meds might be in danger of not having them available.

Steven Frisch

Naturally the response to my comment last week was precisely what I expected...more Trump ass kissing from the congregation....

Just wondering though, I am all for masks, but if testing helps us understand the patterns of exposure and spread, and intervene earlier with therapeutics, then we should be for testing as well, right? Amongst the nations most effective in slowing the spread have been several that have instituted widespread testing, including Australia, Singapore, South Korea, Germany and others.

So after President Trump promised on March 6th, a month ago, that, "Anyone who wants to get tested can get tested,"
How did your tests go? I am sure all of you are happily isolated secure in the knowledge that you have not been exposed yet.

"Trump: “The testing has been amazing, actually. What they’ve been able to produce in such a short period of time. You had mentioned 4 million tests before — 4 million? …"

“Anybody that wants a test can get a test. That’s what the bottom line is. … Anybody right now and yesterday — anybody that needs a test gets a test. We — they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful. Anybody that needs a test gets a test.”

A month ago the President also said that we would be doing 1,000,000 tests per day in less than a week. The next week we were doing 12,00 tests per day and today we are doing slightly less than 100,000 test per day.

So what was the result of your tests my friends?

Gregory

EF 602am

I wouldn't be quick to label the nv or ia pharmacy boards as politically motivated; if I were to find myself a positive for Wuhan SARS, I'd be happy as a clam with scrip for 13 days of a Chloroquine and a Z-pak.

A local pharmacist is having z-pak patients take the first two tabs (of 6) on site, noting the time and then taking a tab at that exact time the next four days, and I suspect that was motivated by a run on AZ.

fish

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 06 April 2020 at 07:26 AM


You never disappoint!

Gregory

"I am sure all of you are happily isolated secure in the knowledge that you have not been exposed yet."
-little Stevie

I've no desire to undergo a test without symptoms, Steve. What bizarre notions you have of the motivations of folks whose ideas you do not understand!

scenes

"You never disappoint!"

C'est la vie. In Mr. Frisch's world, it's all about Trump.

I wonder how many times a day he thinks about Trump. To me, the ponderous actions of government dealing with an emergency and simply musing about the social effects are way more interesting but, you know, what about Trump?

Generally, it seems like there's this notion that the sitting President sits at a giant control panel and makes things happen, at least when he's not spending a large part of the day fending off baseless impeachment attempts. If you could just get him to press the 'manufacture a million ventilators' button.

For those, like the Swedish government, who are on the let the virus do it's thing side of the fence, I ran into a good compilation:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3832009/posts

fish

Posted by: scenes | 06 April 2020 at 08:13 AM


I'm sure that in another week Steve will deign to visit and tell again us how these responses were also exactly what he expected.


Dude has a complete grasp on things.....! SBC is lucky to have him.

scenes

"SBC is lucky to have him."

It occurred to me that his background, so far as I understand it, might be part of the problem.

It would surprise the bejeepers out of me if the man has worked in any large organization, especially in a position of responsibility (ironic for a 'business' expert, but there you have it). Unless you've done that, you really can't appreciate the rather loose connection between CEOs (/Presidents) and action on the ground. Not to mention the latency.

His screeds remind me of precocious 22 year olds arguing politics in a bar after an afternoon at Econ 102a. There's hardly anything worse in the world than a table-pounding young socialist (or libertarian), and some people never grow out of it.

fish

Posted by: scenes | 06 April 2020 at 08:36 AM

There's hardly anything worse in the world than a table-pounding young socialist (or libertarian), and some people never grow out of it.


Having been one....the libertarian....I agree! And yes....still growing out of it!

fish

THINK OF THE PRESS AS DEMOCRATIC PARTY OPERATIVES WITH THE PERSONALITY AND INTELLECT OF MIDDLE-SCHOOL MEAN GIRLS AND YOU WON’T GO FAR WRONG: News media, liberals mock conservatives for early pandemic comments they made themselves.


/shocked face off


https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/news-media-liberals-mock-conservatives-early-pandemic-comments-they

Bill Tozer

Excellent read by VDH. A bit long, but he lays it all out there, section by section.

Corona Meltdowns
Is the bad and self-negating behavior of so many of Trump’s enemies setting him up for an even more impressive victory in the fall?

https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/05/corona-meltdowns/

scenes

re: BillT@9:51

I doubt that the average person, worried about their job and the supply of toilet paper, really even follows the noises that come out of Pelosi's Piehole. That's mostly left to local letters-to-the-editor writers. But I really did like this line:

"It is difficult to find one thing Pelosi has said or done that has not made the country worse off since the virus officially hit our shores in late January."

That pretty much sums it up. I can't see that anyone could argue with it regardless of political persuasion.

scenes

So how long until the Blue Mob is burning effigies of Fauci in the street?

"But if you look at the dynamics of the outbreak in Italy, we don't know why they are suffering so terribly. But there is a possibility and many of us believe that early on they did not shut out as well the input of infections that originated in China and came to different parts of the world. One of the things that we did very early and very aggressively, the president, you know, had put the travel restriction coming from- from China to the United States and most recently from Europe to the United States, because Europe is really the new China. "

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-dr-anthony-fauci-discusses-coronavirus-on-face-the-nation-march-22-2020/

Bill Tozer

How to fight COVID-19? Easy. Well, simple but not always easy. Take all the Dems, Progressives, those with TDS, and the Green Libertarians and march their asses off to the interment camps we have prepared for them....perhaps on some island out in the middle of the deep blue sea or in underground caverns in Utah. Then duct tape their pie holes shut. And, if any in their midst get uppity and spout off like Roberta, line them up against the wall. Then we can can finally get down to the business of fighting this plague. That’s how we will fight C-19.

A PARTY OF HATERS

“So what is the Democrats’ answer when Trump claims credit for saving a million lives? That the modelers were all wet from the beginning? They can’t say that (although it is true) because they have been hysterically demanding that the administration do more, ever since they stopped hysterically demanding that the administration do less. It is hard to see the Democrats’ end game here.

So the Democrats are doing what they do best: they are resorting to hate. They rely on blind, irrational hatred of President Trump to win back the White House and empower their socialist dreams. Examples could be multiplied endlessly–just go on Twitter!”........

“There isn’t much point in trying to talk rationally to a guy in an asylum who thinks he is Napoleon. Likewise, there probably isn’t much point in trying to talk rationally to a Democratic politician or activist in 2020 America. But for what it is worth, let’s just note that 1) the variants of chloroquine are all prescription drugs that will not be administered absent a prescription by a doctor, who probably doesn’t intend to commit a crime against humanity; 2) numerous studies have found chloroquine compounds, alone or in combination with other drugs, to be effective treatments for COVID-19 sufferers; 3) chloroquine has now been approved by the FDA as a COVID-19 treatment; and 4) even assuming that the president was wrong, making a wrong prediction about the efficacy of a drug treatment is hardly a “crime against humanity.”

Is it possible that American voters will give power to a party running on a platform of the crudest, most ignorant hate? I doubt it. The Democrats know that they have the press on their side; the Washington Post, for instance, is just one short notch above Ms. Stevens and Ms. Galonski. But the days when the press could choose a president are long gone, if they ever existed.

My prediction for 2020? #LoveWins.“

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/a-party-of-haters.php

Bill Tozer

From the meme scene:

-On a brighter note, Antifa is at home with their parents.
-Allergy Season is about to turn into the Salem Witch Trails!
-Democrats purpose new “Stay At Home” tax.

Daily quotes go here....just because.

Insight: “I hope the people on Wall Street will pay attention to the people on Main Street. If they do, they will see there is a rising tide of confidence in the future of America.” —Ronald Reagan

Observations: “Right now … all the talk is about the horrible medical statistics, predictions, models. All the talk is apocalyptic when we’re discussing the virus. … Meanwhile, everybody’s at home, the economy shut down, everybody realizes this can’t go on, but there is this degree of uncertainty as to when this is gonna end. It cannot go on like this. At some point, folks, we as a country are gonna have to answer a question: How much of the economy do we let drift toward Great Depression status before we stop it?” —Rush Limbaugh

For the record: “The Democrats are gonna pitch this as lives versus money, and they’re gonna do their best to make sure this economy stays shut down because that’s the fastest way, they think, to beating Trump. … Lives versus money. When in fact it’s lives versus lives. It’s not lives versus money. Money is not an enemy of lives. Money is not an enemy of life. But to the modern-day Democrat Party and media acolytes, it is.” —Rush Limbaugh

Never let a crisis go to waste: “This crisis has been weaponized. And it’s a tragedy because we’re going to come out of it pretty well. But there are people who feel that they have to emphasize the downside to enact an agenda that otherwise would not be enacted without this popular depression and anger. And yet political correctness says that we can’t really identify it and condemn it, because to do so, ironically, would be to be partisan in our reaction to what is clearly a partisan manipulation of the disaster.” —Victor Davis Hanson

Non compos mentis: “I think this is the opportunity of the century for China to build trust in the world, which it has found so difficult to come by as a rising nation, and to rebuild its international image — China doesn’t [want to] waste an opportunity like this.” —London School of Economics associate professor Keyu Jin (“Well, starting at zero there’s nowhere to go but up.” —Stephen Green)

Braying jenny: “Someone asked me today how would @BarackObama have handled this crisis? Answer in one word — Better. Ok, two words. Much better.” —former Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett (“Why do so many Obama administration staffers constantly try to make Americans feel awful? Highlighting policy differences is expected — but this level of vitriol? During this pandemic? Why?” —Rep. Dan Crenshaw)

Alpha jackass: “Gov[ernors] of Florida, Texas, Missouri and Georgia will have thousands of dead on their heads. Rightwing ideologues resisted science. The GOP has become a death cult.” —The Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin (“Democrats will not even support bills that would protect babies who survived abortions. They vote against them every time they come up, whether it be at the state level or in Congress. That’s ghoulish in the extreme and is the definition of a death cult.” —Sister Toldjah)

Race bait: “COVID deaths are disproportionately spiking in Black + Brown communities. Why? Because the chronic toll of redlining, environmental racism, wealth gap, etc. ARE underlying health conditions. Inequality is a comorbidity. COVID relief should be drafted with a lens of reparations.” —Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (Or it’s the chronic toll of people on urban poverty plantations who think the government is responsible for every aspect of their welfare.)

And last… “The coronavirus has acted as a solvent on a decade or more of cliches about the arrival of a globalized world where old lines drawn on a map no longer matter. In a crisis, everyone turns to borders as a first line of defense.” —Rich Lowry

Don Bessee

Now that's interesting and lets hope its right -

https://www.foxnews.com/science/indoor-humidity-may-slow-coronavirus-spread-yale-scientists-say

;-)

Don Bessee

A ray of light -

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/traffic-walmart-target-costco-falls-200605109.html

;-)

Paul Emery

George you write above reguarding hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and azithromycin (AZ that " The tests (albeit of limited sample sizes) that have been done with these drugs in treating C19 have already delivered impressive results. "

Can you provide some documentation about these tests ? A couple of links will help.

Don Bessee

Well that's a po' ol' fakenewsman without his various socks @846! LOL WHY! WHY! WHY!

;-)

fish

George you write above reguarding hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and azithromycin (AZ that " The tests (albeit of limited sample sizes) that have been done with these drugs in treating C19 have already delivered impressive results. "

Can you provide some documentation about these tests ? A couple of links will help.


Yeah George.......just a couple of links......just a couple. Oh sure with the same number of keystrokes Punch could Google them himself but that wouldn’t be his way. Always better to get someone else to provide them and then complain incessantly about that which was provided......not good enough....not exactly what Punch was looking for.....didn’t exactly make the point Punch was trying to make...etc.

Walt

Emery. Try paying attention to the news like the rest of us.
Still only watching CNN and listening to NPR we see.

George Rebane

PaulE 846pm - Can't believe you asked that question Paul. I have provided links every time I have mentioned HCQ and AZ, including in the current post. And since you're not keeping up with any of the C19 pandemic saga, there is a big study about HCQ/AZ that is being released soon that is contributing to the "light at the end of the tunnel" that the various pharma initiatives now under way will end this pandemic sooner than later. The market responded to this news today. How come you have no idea all of this is going on?

PS. also give Google a try on this; you know, the big search engine outfit.

scenes

Oh for God's sake Paul. Here's a few.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=chloroquine+coronavirus

If you can't download a PDF, give libgen or sci-hub a try.

scenes

One thing about the off-label use of these drugs, is that we'll find out soon enough whether they work for some or all patients. They are sure giving out a lot of them. With a 2/3 chance of dying if you're on a ventilator (which somewhat decreases the real value of the things), a lot of folks are taking the chance.

In other KVMR news, there are other related items.

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-51571196

. Broiler chicken dey cause Coronavirus?
. How Coronavirus dey spread and kill pipo

Paul Emery

Thanks George, I didn't notice the link. I haven't been reading this blog so I didn't see your previous links. Hope it works. \

Barry Pruett

Paul: We all hope it works. We all hope that you are staying safe as well brother. Here is the abstract from a Chinese study...

“ At the end of December 2019, a novel coronavirus (COVID-19) caused an outbreak in Wuhan, and has quickly spread to all provinces in China and 26 other countries around the world, leading to a serious situation for epidemic prevention. So far, there is still no specific medicine. Previous studies have shown that chloroquine phosphate (chloroquine) had a wide range of antiviral effects, including anti-coronavirus. Here we found that treating the patients diagnosed as novel coronavirus pneumonia with chloroquine might improve the success rate of treatment, shorten hospital stay and improve patient outcome. In order to guide and regulate the use of chloroquine in patients with novel coronavirus pneumonia, the multicenter collaboration group of Department of Science and Technology of Guangdong Province and Health Commission of Guangdong Province for chloroquine in the treatment of novel coronavirus pneumonia developed this expert consensus after extensive discussion. It recommended chloroquine phosphate tablet, 500mg twice per day for 10 days for patients diagnosed as mild, moderate and severe cases of novel coronavirus pneumonia and without contraindications to chloroquine.”

Bill Tozer

This has nothing to do with Paul’s comments.

It is no secret that the Left’s knee jerk reaction to HCQ/AZ is to nip it in the bud, to dismiss it out of hand, to shut it down now. Must not go there! Must not look that way. Nothing to see here folks, move on. Trump has blood on his hands.....The Boston Globe blared out “Trump has blood on his hands”, but the editorial/news was concerning pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord. :)

It is like the Left is working overtime to squash any hope. Hope is a mainstay. The common denominator of those who attempted suicide and failed is they lost hope....according to interviews of those who survived their suicide attempts. “Without hope the people perish” the ancients wrote.

It is not like the Left peddles in despair, crisis, doomsday scenarios....it is they peddle nothing but despair, hopelessness, and impending doom currently. Imagine telling an AIDS or cancer patient that there may be a new cure and having those words derided by the Lamestream media at the speed of light.
Tranquility and the Lamestream Media Arm of the Left cannot co-exist. And never the twain shall meet. Crisis junkies, drama queens, peddlers of chaos, tension, turmoil, and upheaval one and all. Blood sells.

Last night I read a MD/researcher’s findings on his limited samples of patients who were given HCQ. He said it is only effective if the patient is also given zinc. Those not given zinc with HCQ had no noticeable benefit.

When Trump said he ‘would love to have the country back to work by Easter...I would love to see that’, he was peddling hope. If a new (old) drug shows promise in small sampling and antidotal results.....well, because it came out of Trump’s mouth, it must NOT be listened to and immediately extinguished. Don’t listen to Trump’s daily COVID-19 press conferences. You must not go there! Listen to us, not Trump. You know us....we are the ones that peddled the Russian Collusion Delusion and we have 12 years before the Climate Crisis dooms us all.

Bertie

Hey George-- did you know that all three of the trump family trusts have investments in a mutual fund whose main investment is in a company named Sanofi, a French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine? The mutual fund, run by major Republican donor Ken Fisher, is the single largest investor in Sanofi. What a coincidence!

No wonder he keeps promoting the drug contradicting health experts (of which trump nor you are) who say NOT to use the drug without further testing and approval.
No wonder trump doesn't want his finances made public.. too many conflicts of interest ... too many emolument issues.. especially in an election year.
One has to love trump for working every angle he can to make a buck.
What a great American.

PS to little fishy -- Keep trying Clouseau.. Robert Cross is not the woman who ran for office. Roe your boat..

fish

I'll just leave this here….


Trump has financial stake in malaria drug he's been advocating…..


I'm sure Bertie is huffing and puffing up to the keyboard……….emoluments…..goombah……..wheeze…..Trumpler……women and minorities hardest hit…..cough….cough…. Cough, hack….snort…..P$&*@ grabbing…….wheeze…. as we speak!


https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-s-Aggressive-Advocacy-of-Malaria-Drug-for-15183833.php

fish

Posted by: Bertie | 07 April 2020 at 08:21 AM


Robert Cross is not the woman who ran for office. Roe your boat..


Well that's a relief…..but hey, if you ever need some time off give her a call….you guys are at about the same point on the frantic crazy cat lady spectrum….I'm sure she could fill in for you here and not miss a step!


Gregory

Bertie...

According to 2019 financial disclosure - Trump owns between $1,000 and $15,000 worth of Dodger & Cox mutual fund.

According to the prospectus, 2.9% of the fund is made up of Sanofi stock.

Doing basic math, this means that Trump owns anywhere between $29 and $435 worth of Sanofi stock.

And... Sanofi doesn't sell Plaquenil in the USA.

Rich people invest in big pharma is the news flash you're selling, but this is an old drug whose patent expired during what, maybe the LBJ Administration.

scenes

It's good to see that Xir Bertie is on top of the financial news.

"As President Donald Trump has persistently discussed the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, critics have wondered about his motivation, given the drug’s far-from-certain performance on the global stage as a treatment for coronavirus, and the Food and Drug Administration’s refusal so far to approve it as a treatment for COVID-19.

The New York Times says Trump has a “small personal stake” in Sanofi, the French drug manufacturer that produces the drug.

The report doesn’t say how small, but it notes that his three family trusts have investments in a Dodge & Cox mutual fund whose largest holding is Sanofi. A fund that matches this description is the Dodge & Cox International Stock Fund US:DODFX, which at last check was 3.3% invested in Sanofi.

Trump’s 2019 financial-disclosure form lists stakes in Family Trusts 1, 2 and 3 valued at between $1,001 and $15,000. So if Trump has the maximum $15,000 in each of the trusts, he holds a stake in Sanofi that’s worth $1,485 — and, at the minimum, just $99."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-personal-stake-in-the-malaria-drug-maker-sanofi-could-be-as-small-as-99-2020-04-07

It's a perfect example of why not to listen to the outrage patrol. 'Main investment', lol. It's like a game of 'telephone' where each person exaggerates what they hear.

There's plenty to pick apart on an administration without simply picking up silly propaganda pieces.

TRUMPMOLUMENTS

Posted by: Gregory | 07 April 2020 at 08:52 AM


None of that matters Gregory…….TRUMP……EMOLUMENTS…..! TRUMP! EMOLUMENTS!…..TRUMP…….

Walt

Dougy is losing it.

scenes

re: Gregory@8:52

I wrote a missive on that this morning but it appears to have disappeared into the typepad memory hole (as a side note, who in the heck wrote this awful blogging software? terrible. try using the search sometime)

Another try just with the link.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-personal-stake-in-the-malaria-drug-maker-sanofi-could-be-as-small-as-99-2020-04-07

Bertrand

Gregory-- you are correct in that Plaquenil has an expired patent and yes trump's investment is characterized as "small." However, trump's golfing buddy Chirag Patel, co-founded a company that is gearing up to manufacture generic hydroxychloroquine. Just another coincidence, I guess.

"According to 2019 financial disclosure " When and where was that financial disclosure made?

So then why does he keeps promoting the an untested drug contradicting health experts who say NOT to use the drug without further testing and approval. Stupidity?

Gregory

Tell me, "Bertrand", what is the "approved" treatment for the SARS referred to as COVID-2019?

Hydroxychloroquine was being tested on COVID-2003 but they ran out of patients to try it on.

Bill Tozer

Fine Bernardless, fine. Have your way. Kill anything that might save lives during our fight against C-19 because...because...because Trump’s goons have something to it. It don’t matter who suffers for how long and who dies, just as long as Trump has nothing to do with it! That’s the ole college spirit.

Hey, that’s a splendid comment of yours , Bernardless. We are all waking around in 2020 without a vaccine. So what is your bright idea? “So then why does he keeps promoting the an untested drug contradicting health experts who say NOT to use the drug without further testing and approval. Stupidity?”

I will tell you why. Because the health experts want a couple years of double blind clinical trails covering thousands of patients and multiple tests o make sure the of side effects, and it is totally safe before approving the drug for general population use. Health experts want all risks removed and everyone is healed and nobody dies.

Tump has been fast tracking various drugs under the Right to Try policy...before the current outbreak. Hey, cancer and AIDS patients were driving to Mexico or flying off to a foreign destinations to receive treatments that were hung up by the FDA. As Trump says, “What do they have to loose.” Right to Try.

Clinical tests have begun, both private sector and the public sector is working day and night working on a vaccine, cure, or anything that may help. Even if it only helps 10%, its better than having a handful of nothing. And yes, the private sector includes BIG PHARMA, who is bringing top lab boys out of retirement to find a fix.

Full Disclosure: I have owned Dodge and Cox Mutual fund(s) in the past. I also know that has been common knowledge for quite some time that investing in the health care sector is a good bet. Bio-tech is a little more risky. Some funds have their largest holdings in the tech sector, some in banks and oil, some in the health sector. Wonder how much of that French lab company I own?

Bill Tozer

Bottomline of this whole thread.

Why?, why, why? Because Trump peddles hope. He is America’s biggest cheerleader. The unemployment rates, record number of people working including women and high school drop outs, bringing our boys home, restarting old factories, fair trade, etc....America is the best. Well, the economy was the crow jewel until the Wuhan virus came along. Trump peddles hope. Hope. Something that recovery programs peddle. Hope.

Your side peddles gloom and doom. And just because moi and Trump ain’t freaking out, does not mean we are not concerned. It’s not black and white. Not freaking out does not mean not wanting to save lives or unable to feel for the suffering.

As your side peddles gloom and doom out of one side of your mouths, you peddle this contradictory nonsense out of the other side of your mouths that government will run smoothly and perfectly and everything will be coming up rose if only you guys and gals are put back in power. Spare me.

Why? Hope. Not Zerobama’s hope and changey, put hope.

Bill Tozer

Food for thought: “Our national media is ROOTING for hydroxycloroquine to not work as a treatment for #Covid_19. Think about that.” —Matt Mackowiak

More Daily Quotes go here today...just cuz.

Insight: “Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul.” —Mark Twain (1835-1910)

Upright: “The beauty of doing nothing is that you can do it perfectly. Only when you do something is it almost impossible to do it without mistakes. Therefore people who are contributing nothing to society, except their constant criticisms, can feel both intellectually and morally superior.” —Thomas Sowell

For the record: “More people will die, even in the worst projections, from cigarette smoking in this country than are going to die from coronavirus this year.” —U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams

Food for thought: “Our national media is ROOTING for hydroxycloroquine to not work as a treatment for #Covid_19. Think about that.” —Matt Mackowiak

Nailed it: “It were up to me, the whole world should send China a bill for the pandemic.” —Sen. Lindsey Graham

The BIG Lie: “You know, 45 nations had already moved to … block China’s personnel from being able to come to the United States before the president moved.” —Joe Biden

Non compos mentis: “These viruses … have no borders. You can’t build a wall. You can’t … have, you know, people at the border trying to stop it. It’s beyond that capacity.” —Joe Biden

Village idiot: “For so long, the go-to has been not to believe [women]. So really, we have to sort of societally change that mindset to believing women, but that does not mean at the expense of not giving men their due process. I don’t feel comfortable throwing away a decent man that I’ve known for 15 years.” —Brett Kavanaugh inquisitor Alyssa Milano exonerating Joe Biden

Alpha jackass: “Okay, people, just because Jesus is on your side doesn’t mean you can’t get sick. Don’t forget, Jesus was on Jesus’s side and he died, okay? Yeah, He came back, but that was like a one-time thing. … And you know it’s funny how a lot of these same people who say Jesus will protect them from coronavirus are the same people stocking up on guns. I don’t get it. Won’t the blood of Jesus protect you from an intruder?” —Trevor Noah

Dezinformatsiya: “For the last couple of weeks when I walk into this building and I get in front of this camera, I swear I feel like I’m in the movie ‘Network.’ I feel like Howard Beale. Americans are mad as hell. What are you going to — how much more can Americans take? Every single day berating people, lying. First it’s a hoax. And then ‘All along I knew it was serious and I knew it was a pandemic.’ How much more — how many people have to die?” —CNN’s Don Lemon

And last… “TV news … sounds like this: NEWSPERSON: Coronavirus! Coronavirus! Coronavirus! For more on this, here is a different newsperson located somewhere else for safety reasons. DIFFERENT NEWSPERSON: Coronavirus! Coronavirus! Coronavirus! Now back to you. NEWSPERSON: Thank you. Coronavirus! Coronavirus! Corona … And so on, 24 hours a day. Sometimes 30 hours a day. That’s how much coronavirus (Coronavirus!) news there is.” —Dave Barry

Walt

Another report on that socialized medicine our lefies speak so highly of.
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/07/report-wuhan-funeral-homes-burned-people-alive/
"RFA noted that it could not independently verify that the Chinese Communist Party was burning coronavirus patients alive, nor has the Communist Party confirmed or denied the rumors. Yet the rumors persist that, to make room for new patients in Wuhan’s overcrowded hospitals, medical staff chose older patients less likely to survive the infection and shipped them to incinerators while they were still alive and conscious."

Ya' really think the Chicom officials would actually say, Yup!! We do that.. "

Walt

Another shoe gets dropped.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-stockpiled-ventilators-for-pandemic-only-to-later-auction-them-off-report

Is Emery,,uhhh,,, "Mary", going to blame Trump for greedy N.Y. City?
"In 2006, then-New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration began purchasing ventilators to allow the city to be prepared for a pandemic like the current coronavirus crisis -- only for the city to later auction them off, according to a report.

Those ventilators were then auctioned off some time before 2016 because the city could not afford to maintain them in working order, partially because the model of ventilator the city had purchased was no longer in production after 2009, the report said."

The "six "P"s were not adhered to.
Proper
Planning
Prevents
Piss
Poor
Performance

Bill Tozer

Guess CA State government just shipped off 500 ventilators to other places. The ventilator stockpile is keeping up with the real demand.

scenes

" However, trump's golfing buddy Chirag Patel, co-founded a company that is gearing up to manufacture generic hydroxychloroquine. Just another coincidence, I guess."

lol. We are dealing with a genuine conspiracy nut here. Now that we've already established that Trump isn't making any money at this...the next poorly reported story makes the rounds....

So, some guy that Trump has played golf with twice since being President has a drug company and is going to sell a single burst of a generic drug that no one makes any money at ($5 per patient for the series? something like that). For all I know, he was specifically asked to. Does the drug work? Dunno, they'll know soon enough. There's probably a dozen other drugs that are worth a shot. At this point they should make a bunch of anything that might work, it isn't like it's a big investment.

The important thing is that Trump doesn't mention anything that actually makes a difference. The Blue Mob would rather die than use a Trump-approved substance.

I don't mind so much that our resident Troll gets all hot and bothered, but how the major newspapers report these things is unacceptable. The NYT articles on this sort of thing are filled with a lack of detail (is that possible?) in an attempt to push a political agenda. Xir Bertie can be excused for sounding like a Ron Lowe letter to the editor, but there's no excuse for a major news institution to be this heinous.

George Rebane

Re Bertie 821am – From time to time I like to introduce new readers, hewing to the middle stripe of the ideological road, to one of the valuable features of the RR comment streams archive which now goes back 13 years. Sackhead ‘Bertie’ is an established card-carrying socialist who frequents these pages because RR is an inviting and open forum, counter to how leftwing bloggers are forced to run their socio-political blogs since their collectivistic commentaries are embarrassingly easy to destroy by any average reader not sharing their POV – hence issues are narrow and comments are censored. Bertie, as all the lefties commenting here, has no concept of embarrassment when it comes to responding or even recognizing the devastating counters to his monotone postings. The standard response to having been shot down in flames, is just to disappear and reappear later with yet another absurdity as if nothing happened. All of their comments and commentaries suffer from their aggregate characteristics of being poorly read (only availing to lamestream media outlets), being poor readers (deficits in critical thought from adhering to the issue or being able to structure a logically cogent response), and being locked into a perspective that views the national scene only through TDS-tinted glasses that inform a mind thoroughly inculcated by the nation’s progressive-imbued public schools. While the conservatives here are widely read and readily criticize both sides of the political aisle (especially in the era of foot-in-mouth Trump), there is no available record of a liberal seeing any fault on or of the Left. To them, their leaders are godlike and all reside in an unassailable pantheon. Bertie’s 821am is simply the most recent excellent contribution to the long list of Exhibits A on RR, as our other commenters are quick to point out; the depth of his expressed ignorance is often too painful to plumb. Nevertheless, we always welcome his constantly confirming appearances.

scenes

billt: "Clinical tests have begun, both private sector and the public sector is working day and night working on a vaccine, cure, or anything that may help. Even if it only helps 10%, its better than having a handful of nothing. "

Heck, a thing just have to help 30% to be better than a ventilator. Probably less than that if long term health effects are factored in.

I think that people like ventilators so much because you can count them. A thousand or five thousand is a number you can hold in your head, measure, think about how Trump didn't design a better ventilator. It's one of those cases (like most cases I sometimes think) where accuracy doesn't buy you all that much understanding.

Gregory

Nir Shaviv is to climate as Didier Raoult is to viral infections... a published expert anathema to the authoritarian Left despite being arguably left of center themselves.

A very common punch thrown at trump is that he said/did X when expert Y said to do Z. The palooka who uses that tactic is generally ignorant of opinions contrary to Y's or just does not care; the important thing is to follow the Expert/High Priest imbued with the authority to declare it halal or haram.

Everyone points to the FDA's role in keeping Thalidomide out of the US (mostly a good thing) but most don't know that regulator said no to just about everything that came across her desk.

It was spooky to purchase Thalidomide in Grass Valley in 2001.

fish

……sad trombone for Bertie.



Another Doctor Reports Dramatic Improvement In COVID-19 Patients Using Trump-Touted Treatment


As pro-establishment mouthpieces downplay the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 as "anecdotal" with "little evidence that the treatment is effective," yet another doctor treating has claimed dramatic improvement in coronavirus patients within hours of taking the anti-malaria drug in combination with two other medications.

Los Angeles doctor Anthony Cardillo says he's seen very promising results when the Trump-touted drug is combined with zinc for severely-ill coronavirus patients.

"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News, adding "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

Cardillo, CEO of Mend Urgent Care, says that the drug must be used in conjunction with Zinc, as the hdroxycholoroquine opens a 'channel' for the mineral to enter cells and prevent the virus from replicating.



https://www.zerohedge.com/health/while-left-continues-pan-trump-touted-treatment-another-doctor-reports-dramatic-improvement

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 07 April 2020 at 01:01 PM

It was spooky to purchase Thalidomide in Grass Valley in 2001.


For nausea….?

Gregory

No fish, for my first wife's end stage cancer once her ability to tolerate standard chemotherapies ended. Her last month.

The horrific birth defects was because it interferes with the ability to branch off blood vessels, bad if it's to be a limb of an embryo, good if it's a tumor growing its blood supply.

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 07 April 2020 at 01:26 PM



Ahh….got it!

Bill Tozer

Touching on Dr. Rebane’s 11:54 am “To them, their leaders are godlike and all reside in an unassailable pantheon...”

and touching on Gregory’s 1:01 pm, “important thing is to follow the Expert/High Priest imbued with the authority to declare it halal or haram.”.....this an apt link:

EXPERTS, PSEUDO-EXPERTS, AND OTHER PROGRESSIVE CONCEITS

“While it is perfectly sensible to seek improvements in technical expertise and its integration into decision making by our political leaders, this misses the main point. For a century now, progressives have represented expertise as a distinct claim to rightful rule, akin to the classical claims on behalf of democracy and aristocracy. You can see this at work right now in the deep thinkers who are saying that Joe Biden ought to pick Bill Gates as his running mate, or that Dr. Fauci should be made president by acclamation. The progressive conceit of expertise lies at the heart of a lot of the progressive contempt for the non-credentialled “deplorables” of “flyover country” who, progressives think, don’t deserve self-government.”

“Whenever a progressive says we should “follow the evidence” because we must have “evidence-based policy-making,” you should reach for your wallet (for starters). Because today we all too often have the opposite: policy-based evidence-making. This is especially true in the whole climate change circus, but it is also quite evident now in the virus crisis. Remember that Imperial College London “model” that predicted 250,000 deaths in the UK, subsequently scaled back to 20,000? The person behind that model, Neil Ferguson, gave an interview to the Financial Times today that includes this shocking admission that his model was a clear instance of policy-based evidence making:

“The paper came out that day partly because there was pressure on government to be showing the modelling informing policymaking, so we worked very hard to get that paper out at that time.”

To which the Financial Times comments:

The above implies the government was aware of the potential death toll – or the one being projected by the scientists on their advisory committee, anyway – but had not considered a drastic lockdown strategy until it became clear that the likely number of deaths from any other strategy would not be seen as politically acceptable. It seems, therefore, that the paper was published at that time partly to help justify a change in the messaging. A “U-turn” doesn’t seem like quite the right term, therefore, for what happened. “

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/experts-pseudo-experts-and-other-progressive-conceits.php

Walt

The anti Trump docs and yapping heads saying the meds ain't work'n have splain'n to do.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/07/denver-doctor-hydroxychloroquine-and-antibiotic-successfully-treated-coronavirus-patients/

fish

Nevada City shaken to its very core......


Smoking marijuana could make lungs more susceptible -- as pot sales spike....



Locals and those identifying politically as "Green Libertarian™ could not be reached for comment.



https://news.yahoo.com/smoking-marijuana-could-lungs-more-143500075.html

scenes

re: Walt@4:58PM

Oh, you know how it'll probably come down. That hydroxystuff will help some people, not others, cause some side effects. Democratic operatives will find everything bad that happens and then blame famous Dr. Trump for suggesting that it's a hopeful drug.

The Blue Mob will rule the country or they'll burn it down. The way that politics wound it's way into a serious situation like this is unacceptable.

Walt

Well Scenes,, that's on the news tonight. Anti Trumpers hoping the drugs fail. Yup,, they are siding with the bug.

Walt

How bout that Emery and Dougy?? I didn't hear that Proggys have an immunity from Kung Flu. So get your measurements and put them on that undertaker alert bracelet so they can get the proper cardboard box.

fish

Posted by: Walt | 07 April 2020 at 05:35 PM

I didn't hear that Proggys have an immunity from Kung Flu. So get your measurements and put them on that undertaker alert bracelet so they can get the proper cardboard box.


By all rights the "Homeless Community" should be little more than a smoking hole after the dreaded Corona! Funny though.....I'm not hearing anything like that!

dugsKKKi and Punch are honorary members....maybe they are immune!

Don Bessee

Tru dat! -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/07/marc-thiessen-democrats-filibuster-of-relief-bill-cost-millions-jobs/

;-)

Bill Tozer

-Krugman Spews Wacky, Partisan Theory: ‘Close Association Between Right-Wing Activism and Medical Quackery’

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/business/joseph-vazquez/2020/04/07/paul-krugman-spews-wacky-partisan-theory-close-association

-Univision Knocks Donald Trump for Hopeful ‘Light at the End of the Tunnel’ Tweet

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/latino/alexander-reyes/2020/04/07/univision-knocks-donald-trump-hopeful-light-end-tunnel-tweet

— Study: While CNN Bashes Trump, They Barely Covered Virus Outbreak

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/bill-dagostino/2020/04/06/study-while-cnn-bashes-trump-they-barely-covered-virus-outbreak

CBS, NBC Tout End of Wuhan Lockdown, Downplay China ‘Fudging' the Data
www.cnnenemyofthepeople-cnn-bertha-sucks

And on and on it goes.


Don Bessee

That's only for the little people said the mayor of the shooting gallery aka chi town -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/07/chicago-mayor-blasted-for-getting-haircut-after-telling-chicagoans-to-shut-down-shops/

;-)

scenes

"By all rights the "Homeless Community" should be little more than a smoking hole after the dreaded Corona!"

I have a theory on that. Locally, they appear to be running rather wild what with the lack of active policing of the mildly wicked.

My guess is that they don't handle each other's stuff all that much, perhaps glass pipes excepted, as much as the straights. No keyboards, door knobs, handrails and the like. Plus, and maybe more importantly, they aren't in enclosed spaces as much.

You really do have to wonder what the point of making the homeless shelter up was. Any kind of basketball-gym-with-cots is where the real viral action is going to happen.

I did see that everybody was kicked off the beach in Venice Beach except for the Blue Mob's favorite folks though.

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/while-venice-beach-residents-under-lockdown-homeless-and-encampments-grow-and-thrive/

Maybe this is just a preview of the Blue Mob endgame. Everyone stays inside and watches youtube and writing webpages, the homeless own all of the public space.

scenes

re: Krugman " ‘Close Association Between Right-Wing Activism and Medical Quackery’"

Honestly, it would be nice to have a Famous Economist Guy who wasn't a political activist. There's so many knobs on their 'science' calculations that bias would make you an impractical practitioner. Maybe witch doctors were always that way.

In any case, I've been inundated for years with theories concerning vaccines, 5G, blue green algae, vitamin C megadoses, life saving fermentation of food, microcurrents, blah blah, and they never come out of the speaking orifices of right wingers. It's possible that it's bipartisan, but given the heavy duty orientation of such beliefs in single older cat ladies (who tend to *not* be pro-GEOTUS), I find it hard to believe.

Walt

So Bill has the scanner snitching out the lack of law enforcement too. The bums have free run of the county.

How bout the one that was sleeping INSIDE the Rood center??
Yes,, that one they got "moving on" in record time.
Funny how things "get done" when it's in their own "living room".

Bill Tozer

Homeless have free reign. What, gonna site them for gathering on someone’s back forty? Scold them for not washing their hands multiple times a day? Sent them to jail?? What? I know, let them run the streets and parking lots as we are advised to avoid the grocery stores for a couple of weeks.

‘Shut It Down’: MTA Drivers Worried About COVID-19, Say Riders Now ‘Mostly Homeless And Sick People’

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/04/06/mta-coronavirus-covid-goldstein-investigation-drivers/

Bill Tozer

Scenes @ 7;16 pm

“re: Krugman”. Bad Scenes, bad. That’s Dr Krugman Phd,, winner of Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences to you, bucko.

First 10 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3DrA7tJFk
————-
Walt: I heard you don’t need a scanner no more. You can get an app, type in Nevada County something, and there you go. I know, off topic.

scenes

I think clicking on the arrow might get you there.

https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/26302

No need for one of them sketchy BaoFengs at this point.

Walt

Yes, but the secondary channels are not there.
The other, Scenes, is
https://www.radioreference.com/

Bill Tozer

I have been touched by the Midtown New Yorkers who open their apartment windows daily to praise and thank and cheer those on the front lines...it’s a daily routine now.

Optimism Is Dawning In New York City

“The fight is not over. Our vulnerable populations still need us to stay inside; to keep the businesses closed, for now. But for the first time in weeks it feels like this might end, like we might be back walking our streets sooner rather than later. This new dawn will be unlike others. Life will be different, the physical and economic carnage will still be felt.

But in that mourning there will be morning, and we will still be alive. Hang in there Gotham, you got this.”

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/07/optimism-is-dawning-in-new-york-city/

One story the Left peddles about Trump (in it for the money) is laughable. Donald Trump loves New York City. Hometown. He will do anything for the city. Always has. It’s in his blood. Same with Buck Sexton. Born and raised in NYC. The constant sounds of honking, the feel on the streets....that kind of stuff. Ain’t the same when it’s not there and you are self-bunkered quarantined. Let’s see how Buck is holding up, shall we?


Buck Sexton
@BuckSexton
The daily tally of NYC residents who died at home with #coronavirus-like symptoms exploded from 45 on Mar 20 to 241 on Apr 5, according to #FireDepartment of #NewYork data - suggesting the city may be significantly undercounting #COVID19 deaths.
@Reuters

https://twitter.com/BuckSexton/status/1247710420992999427?

scenes

I had a post a day or two ago (which, naturally I can't find due to typepad's crummy search) wondering whether all the fuss about ventilators wasn't misdirected. They're not that useful and it would be interesting if they weren't the right answer in any case. There seemed to be increasing favor rumbling around out there for CPAP and it's brethren. At this point, like off-label drugs, ventilators are as much a political football as anything.

A couple of minutes of searching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzGLgiwkqRA
https://thinkingcriticalcare.com/2020/03/28/covid-clinical-discussion-w-cameron-kyle-sidell-nyc-ed-icu-doc-in-the-trenches-foamed/

George Rebane

scenes 933am - found your post in the spam folder and posted it (see above).

Walt

Dougy and the two Steves take notice.
https://news.trust.org/item/20200408103237-l2epf
"Obesity is major COVID-19 risk factor, says French chief epidemiologist"

Don  Bessee

Now that's good to hear -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/08/ihme-25-drop-in-coronavirus-death-projections-due-to-new-data/

;-)

Gregory

https://www.mdmag.com/medical-news/american-thoracic-society-releases-temporary-covid19-guidance

Bad news for the folks who don't want the Chloroquines to be given to Wuhan SARS patients... because of orange man bad.

Bill Tozer

Fighting C-19: Biden has come up with some good ideas.

‘7 Things Biden Called For That Trump Already Did To Combat Coronavirus’

https://www.dailywire.com/news/7-things-biden-called-for-that-trump-already-did-to-combat-coronavirus

Yep, last week on April 3rd, Sleepy Joe came up with the grand idea to ban entry into the US of individuals who had been to China. A splendid proposal that will save lives. Go Joe, go. I see plagiarism is still Biden’s strong suit.


fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 09 April 2020 at 07:05 AM

👍

Bill Tozer

Defense Official Shoots Down ABC Report Alleging Trump Admin Ignored Virus Warnings

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2020/04/09/defense-official-shoots-down-abc-report-alleging-trump-admin
————————————-

OBAMA HHS SEC. IN 2009: ‘THERE ARE NOT ADEQUATE SUPPLIES’ OF MASKS, PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT

‘That discussion is actively underway’

https://news.grabien.com/story-obama-hhs-sec-2009-there-are-not-adequate-supplies-masks-pro

scenes

" I see plagiarism is still Biden’s strong suit."

Well, that and fingering the public.

....and just like that, Dennis Quaid never worked again.

“And I think Trump, no matter what anybody thinks of him, is doing a good job at trying to get these states — and all of the American people — what they need, and also trying to hold our economy together and be prepared for when this is all over,"

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/491856-dennis-quaid-praises-trump-handling-of-coronavirus-response

Bill Tozer

Fighting C-19 and our sock puppets

“A widely shared, four-person-bylined, “wow”-provoking New York Times story today informs us that Donald Trump is personally benefiting from his “aggressive advocacy” of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine because he owns stock in one of the companies that manufacture the drug.

The story might be one of the most ridiculous articles published by mainstream media in the Trump era — though, admittedly, the field is highly competitive. But while knee-jerk anti-Trumpism is expected, the angry obsession over the president’s championing of hydroxychloroquine is uniquely ugly.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/the-lefts-ugly-reaction-to-hydroxychloroquine/?

Bonus!

‘Leftmedia’s ‘Hypocrisy Exposed With Trump vs. Cuomo’
Cuomo touts the very same drug as Trump, all without MSM cries of "misleading" the public.

https://patriotpost.us/articles/69817-leftmedias-hypocrisy-exposed-with-trump-vs-cuomo-2020-04-08?fbclid=IwAR1aCLSE8FWjYmnFcuvR0pmy6v8OLohgz0T_MY7VwFkLXq9LRBtknpEu6fc

Bill Tozer

More of Fighting C-19 and Junk Journalists

Barr Slams Media ‘Jihad’ Aimed at Discrediting Hydroxychloroquine

“A Tuesday New York Times story highlighting President Trump’s “small personal financial interest” in a French maker of hydroxychloroquine went viral, despite the fact that the brand-label drug is not available in the U.S. Further reporting revealed that the stake was likely less than $1,000.

Senator Kamala Harris (D., Calif.) on Wednesday told ABC’s The View that President Trump is a “drug-pusher” for promoting hydroxychloroquine.”

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 09 April 2020 at 08:52 AM


Senator Kamala Harris (D., Calif.) on Wednesday told ABC’s The View that President Trump is a “drug-pusher” for promoting hydroxychloroquine.”


To steal a line from scenes.....


....and just like that Kamala Harris, Dennis Quaid never worked again...talked herself off the short list for VP.



I suppose its good for society that the Harris types don't know when to keep their mouths shut!

scenes

"Senator Kamala Harris (D., Calif.) on Wednesday told ABC’s The View that President Trump is a “drug-pusher” for promoting hydroxychloroquine.”"

Oh well, anything to win an election.

It is pretty wild to view the different interests in the result, to riff on GeorgeR's equations.

Trump wants to be re-elected and gains nothing from doing harm. He doesn't need large business interests to like him, just the voters. Oddly, you end up with a reasonable compromise between destroying/resurrecting the economy and killing grandma if you give a shot at keeping the masses in good humor. Read his tweets accordingly.

The medical biz is all about health care, surprisingly. Given their druthers, we'd all stay indoors forever, in addition to outlawing guns, cars, alcohol, and the overweight. Read their missives accordingly.

The Democrats want to win the 2020 election at all costs. Preferred answer is a lot of dead people *and* a crashed economy followed by a miraculous recovery under Joey Fingers. Read their missives accordingly.

Everybody has a finger in this pie, even Sen. Biden. Their interests drive their theorizing, just watch your six when the Democratic candidate is in the room.

Mary Wanna

Scenes: yes, Trump is literally pushing drugs his very stable genius mind knows nothing about.
But he wants his base to believe he has discovered the cure.

scenes

M. Wanna: "But he wants his base to believe he has discovered the cure."

This many months before an election? Nah. A day or two before? Maybe, dunno.

To his credit, unlike the Democrats he gains nothing from mass deaths and Great Depression II. How does it feel to be praying for disaster? Maybe you could just torture a few insects and feel better for the afternoon.

Don Bessee

Interesting -

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/05/10/cotton-publicly-available-cell-phone-data-suggests-roads-around-wuhan-lab-were-closed-in-mid-october/

;-)

George Rebane

re Mary 1132am - here's a continuing example of the local liberals pushing the national leftwing narrative on HCQ. None of the lamestream want to publicize the clinical results of successfully using the longtime safe and sane antiviral on early onset C19 patients. Predictable - whatever increases the body count between now and November.

Steve Frisch

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 06 April 2020 at 07:26 AM
______________________________________________________________________________

Below is my post from more than a month ago. At the time President Trump was promising 1,000,000 tests per day within a week.

We are doing 248,000 tests per day.

Above the posters here last month were all fans of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and azithromycin (AZ)as therapeutics; instead we are increasingly learning that not only are these two drugs largely ineffective, they may be dangerous for those with Covid-19. Yet the President of the United States even today continues to pump them like some 19th century patent huckster.

Dr. Rebane must know more than the CDC, NIH, and NIAID :)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/health/hydroxychloroquine-veterans-study/index.html

Finally when we talked on April 6 there were 10,000 dead; today less than five weeks later there are 80,000 deaths and the rate indicates that we will have 175,000 dead by the end of June.

What does it take for you clowns to realize that what you are advocating is not working?

What a collection of complete idiots.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________


"Naturally the response to my comment last week was precisely what I expected...more Trump ass kissing from the congregation....

Just wondering though, I am all for masks, but if testing helps us understand the patterns of exposure and spread, and intervene earlier with therapeutics, then we should be for testing as well, right? Amongst the nations most effective in slowing the spread have been several that have instituted widespread testing, including Australia, Singapore, South Korea, Germany and others.

So after President Trump promised on March 6th, a month ago, that, "Anyone who wants to get tested can get tested,"
How did your tests go? I am sure all of you are happily isolated secure in the knowledge that you have not been exposed yet.

"Trump: “The testing has been amazing, actually. What they’ve been able to produce in such a short period of time. You had mentioned 4 million tests before — 4 million? …"

“Anybody that wants a test can get a test. That’s what the bottom line is. … Anybody right now and yesterday — anybody that needs a test gets a test. We — they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful. Anybody that needs a test gets a test.”

A month ago the President also said that we would be doing 1,000,000 tests per day in less than a week. The next week we were doing 12,00 tests per day and today we are doing slightly less than 100,000 test per day.

So what was the result of your tests my friends??

George Rebane

SteveF 226pm - Dr Rebane knows how technical and scientific progress has been and is made, introduced, and eventually accepted in the realworld. And how you and yours play a long-established role on its welcoming committees. I attempt to answer in the 10may20 update above.

Gregory

Jezzzus H. Christ, Frisch, you have a one track mind and the track is at a dead end.

Right now, the USA has administered about 9.4 million tests, and had a total of 1.4 million cases confirmed. Back of the envelope calculation, assuming three tests per confirmation (the test establishing the patient status, and two confirming recovery).

With 330 million people in the USA... how many tests do the fans of testing as the key to beating the virus expect to administer?

The next most test crazy country is Russia at 5.4million, then comes another nine in the low seven figures.

This isn't syphilis, Steve. It's hard to do tracking down of who infected who... as in Tom Lehrer's joyful "I Got It From Agnes"... outside of a police state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6qFG0uop9k

So, we've already consumed the lion's share of the world's SARS2 tests to date and you're still bitching, and my answers to your bullcrap questions at the end remains "You aren't my friend" and "I've still not asked for a test 'cause I don't have any symptoms" and if you've been awake, you will note there has NOT been a documented transmission of the disease from someone with no symptoms.

Gregory

GR "What they all avoid denying is the effectiveness of HCQ in the early onset phases of C19"


Early phases, with AZ, with Zinc.

It is so bloody obvious to everyone not afflicted with TDS that it's an anti-Trump action, not anti-HCQ... as everyone knows it will take a year or more for randomized double blind studies to take place and, as the French virologist from Marseilles... the game plan is delay everything that might be a positive for Trump until after the election.

All I want going forward is *some* treatment that improves my odds if I get the SARS du jour, from Wuhan. I'd be happy if someone could take the Wayback Machine and convince Trump to shut up about it until about July but even if the Wayback Machine could be found and Mr. Peabody is amenable, Trump might not play ball with Sherman no matter how hard he whines.

Steve Frisch

Posted by: Gregory | 10 May 2020 at 03:46 PM

Simple Gregory, we need enough tests and capacity to trace to put 33 million of your fellow Americans back to work, which the nations Governors, who the President says are in charge of making this decision, estimate at approximately 3 million tests per day for the foreseeable future.

If Trump had scaled our capacity to test in late February we would be there today. He did not, so people won’t go back to work, if some people do go back to work many people won’t go to stores, restaurants and events, and the economy will remain in the crapper.

We are the greatest country in the world, but if our leader is a narcissistiic, dissembling, indecisive, man boy all that American innovation and capacity can’t buy its way out of our current depression.

Gregory

"If Trump had scaled our capacity to test in late February we would be there today."

Bullshit, Mr. Frisch. At the beginning of March, the DEM leadership were still complaining about Trump's actions being racist and xenophobic, and De Blasio was doing his own version of Hug a Chinese Day with Italians.

https://t.co/Umaqh2KaCS

Gregory

We only need the tests that are required to provide a diagnosis for new cases of suspected infection. We got that now.

Right now, between the new facility at the GV Veterans Memorial building, and somewhere in Truckee, there's assembly line testing that can handle 135 a day. It's unclear how many are showing up to be tested as there ain't been an update in the number of tests since Monday.

Gregory

There's been 1,469 total tests since Monday May 4, if not before.
https://mynevadacounty.com/2924/Coronavirus

Either no one is updating the county numbers, or no one is getting tested.

Gregory

Checking The Union story of the Veterans Memorial test location... they were promising 135 tests a day. Let's call the capacity between Truckee and GV to be 250 a day. It's been eight days so... tomorrow, there should be 3,469 total tests, more than double the current total.

I can't wait.

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