Sandbox -26may20

[What remains the point of debates which are empty of citations that are commonly accepted by the debating parties?  As I have pontificated here for some years, and am now joined by my betters like Victor Davis Hanson among others, we are so polarized that we no longer share any cognitive common ground.  In other words, we arrive at venues like RR, not only with our own opinions, but also with our own unique ‘facts’ (thereby giving lie to Sen Moynihan’s dictum).  The ensuing melee is then composed of nothing but ejecta of hot air flung at the other which make no lasting impact, let alone changing anyone’s beliefs.  And yet, … and yet we continue to regularly assemble on both sides of this arena to dance our ferocious dances, making threatening sounds while shaking our spears and shields at the other side, like the natives of primitive tribes or beasts of the jungle that learned to wage faux ‘wars’ without really harming each other.  Realizing this, perhaps we can all join in the attempt to discover the point of it all.  gjr]

Comments

[Paul Emery]

Keith

I actually agree with you on some of your opinions and said so earlier in this chain of comments. My main focus has been on the economy and there is no doubt the three catastrophic economic events in the last 100 years are the Great Depression-1929, the great recession 2008 and the current massive recession and who knows what else. A casual look at history shows that they all occurred after years of a Republican Presidency.
Hoover and Coolidge were Republicans and were in office from 1921 with Coolidge (oh yeah!! Teapot dome) then Hoover in 1929, the year the Stock Market crashed leading to the Great Depression. Roosevelt became President in 1933 and we eventually got out of the Depression.

The next great economic event was the Great Recession of 2008 which was under the President George Bush. He inherited a strong economy from Clinton ( working with the Newt I might add) that left Bush not only a strong economy and but a nearly balanced budget. Eight years later under Bush the economy collapsed. Obama took over and we had eight years of modest growth and the economy was rebuilding and functional when Trump came into office. That brings us up to the present. Record unemployment probably around 5 Trillion dollars added to the deficit with no end in sight on and on.

This quick look shows that the three great economic crashes we have had in the last 100 years occurred during Republican administrations and with at least the previous two recovered under Democrats. Add the Nixon debacle and you have four of the seven Repub Presidents of the last 100 years leaving office with things in a disastrous mess. Yes I know Trump is still in office but I seriously doubt he's be re-elected but who knows.

This means to me that Republican Presidents are a recipe for disaster that is proven by history.

[Don Bessee]

#squawkpartyparrot @ 139

;-)

[George Rebane]

re PaulE 139pm - I want to point out the futility of debating with Paul in these pages. He did not respond to the historical fact of FDR's total ineffectiveness in handling the Great Depression. And the Great Recession he lays on Bush2 who actually had NOTHING to do with it as numerous authors and economists have pointed out - just like Clinton had nothing to do with the dotcom bubble. Obama did do everything economically assbackwards that resulted in the historically tepid recovery which resulted by its being held back by every socialist trick available. And now China's corona virus pandemic and the resulting hit to the economy and bipartisan national debt increase is all laid at Trump's feet. There literally is no reasonable conversation to be had here.

[Paul Emery]

So George you were satisfied with Bush's leadership in the lead up to the recession and are you satisfied with Trump leaving us with at least a 5 Trillion dollar deficit in four years after promising that the tax cuts would pay for themselves and he would provide a balanced budget and pay down the deficit in his first four years?

[Mary Wanna]

Riots in the streets. Army called in. 40 million unemployed. Over 100,000 dead.

Is Trump finished making America Great Again?

I think we will be able to MAGA once we evict Dear Leader

[fish]

Posted by: Mary Wanna | 31 May 2020 at 02:53 PM

I think we will be able to MAGA once we evict Dear Leader

Concur....we will tax and spend and regulate our way to prosperity!

(Oh and thank your Black Bloc comrades.....they just delivered the Tangerine Tornado another four years)

[fish]

Hey everybody Pauls mom dropped by.......

Well....I just hope you were satisfied with Bush's leadership in the lead up to the recession.....and don't get me started about the condition of that bedroom young man!

[fish]

Hey everybody Pauls mom dropped by.......

Well....I just hope you were satisfied with Bush's leadership in the lead up to the recession.....and don't get me started about the condition of that bedroom young man!

[Gregory]

this is a counter Punch:

"Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton [Friedman] and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression, you're right. We did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again."
-Ben Bernake

Progressivism and FDR caused the deepening of a normal business cycle downturn into a full blown Depression, and leftovers of The New Deal, Fannie Mae and its Frankenstein Husband, Freddie Mac, caused the Great Recession of 2008.

[Bill Tozer]

Dr. Rebane @ 2:07 pm

“re PaulE 139pm - I want to point out the futility of debating with Paul in these pages”

Are you saying, good doc, not to feed the trolls, or just it’s a complete waste of time and energy?

The Russians are behind all the looting, Susan Rice said this morning. I can hear the trolls now chanting in unison, “I believe her.” Yep, Susan Rice said the Russians are causing the riots because of their social media meddling. And somewhere out there in lala land, some Talking Heads believe her and her narrative will be considered fact

I don’t think Susan Rice is correct about the Russians. The evidence is clear that it’s the Democrats out their looting. Free stuff has always been in the Lefties’ blood. It’s their bread and butter, their reason for living.

Don’t Feed the Trolls.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 250pm - I don't think you've understood anything I've said about the various roles of the presidents in husbanding our economy. Don't even know how to start a reply to you at this point. My fault - I have my shortcomings, and a major one is not being able to say it clearly enough for you to understand (assuming you are really trying to understand). And it looks like your co-ideologue MaryW (253pm) is flying in tight formation with you.

[Mary Wanna]

"As America’s problems continue to get worse, and Donald Trump continues to provide no leadership or solutions, his poll numbers continue to drop. So now he’s trying his latest desperate stunt in the hope of getting back into election contention.
This afternoon Trump declared on Twitter that “The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization.” That’s cute, but there are two fundamental problems here. The first is that, to hear Trump tell it, “Antifa” is a far-left domestic terrorist organization based in the United States. But various legal experts have pointed out that under U.S. law, the government can’t declare any domestic group to be a terrorist group. So Trump’s “designation” is nonsense that he can’t actually act on.
The second and bigger problem for Donald Trump is that “Antifa” basically doesn’t exist. Who are its leaders? There aren’t any. Where is it based? Nowhere. What acts of terrorism has this group committed? None. “Antifa” is essentially just a leftover name from the World War II era (it literally stands for “anti-fascist”), and conspiracy theory lunatics like Donald Trump Jr like to throw the term around at anyone on the left they don’t like.
It’s not as if Donald Trump’s stooge Bill Barr can round up “Antifa leaders” who don’t exist, and charge them for “terrorist attacks” that don’t exist. Trump is gambling that by pretending to designate an imaginary entity as a terrorist group, Americans at large will naively believe that he’s doing something to make things better. No one outside his own base is that stupid. And as his worsening numbers keep showing us, Trump can’t win in November with his base alone. There’s a reason most people are making fun of Trump over this: it’s a feeble attempt at changing the narrative that won’t make a dent, except to make him look even more stupid."

www.palmerreport.com

[Bill Tozer]

Don @ | 30 May 2020 at 12:45 PM

“I thought Sarah Huckabee Sanders was the greatest White House press spokesperson of all time because of the way she treated the press corps (that’s pronounced “core,” Mr. Obama) like unruly and slow-learning kindergarten kids, as they deserve to be treated. But Kayleigh McEnany has turned it up to 11, not only treating the press corps like children, but as the enemy as well, which they are. And note the left dare not make the charge that she is a bimbo—though you know they really want to—lest they fall afoul of charges of sexism. Remember when the media complained that the White House had discontinued the daily press briefing? Yeah, I’m betting they regret that right now.

Oh, and Joe Biden had another great week in his basement. Not.”

https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2020/05/IMG_2034.jpg?w=680&ssl=1

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I tell ya Don, that woman Kayleigh is one tough, intelligent, and sharp cookie. I have been following her WH pressers more than Donald Trump’s briefings. She scatters the Enemy of the People before her and hears the lamentations of the dead beat press. Harvard grad, lawyer, and when she starts thumbing through her notes, you know somebody to asked a dumb question will dread her reply.

[Paul Emery]

Pretty simple George-did Bush show leadership during the time leading up to the recession and did Trump fail in his promise to provide a balanced budget aided by his tax cuts and did he fail in his promise to cut back on the debt instead contributing an additional 5 trillion to the total. How can I make it more simple than that? A simple answer will do.

[Don Bessee]

King of the run on sentence @250

A simple answer will do. LOL Sorry but no one can make it simple enough for the pony tail of ignorance.

;-)

[L]

Perfesser Emery,
Before you start lecturing Dr. Rebane's guests on history, you might want to take a refresher course yourself. George and Gregory have already wasted the time to straighten you out on the economic downturns, so I'll just rub your nose in it a bit by pointing out that you went off track with your first comment about "Teapot Dome": As it happens, that wasn't an event under silent Cal, but Harding.

It's bad enough to misstate the distant past, but your ignorance about the guilty parties in 2008 is inexcusable, as clearly explained by Gregory. Will his lesson sink in, or will you be right back tomorrow making the same false accusation? Why ask?- of course you will.

[Gregory]

It's easier to get through Punchy's noggin in person.

[Gregory]

toes 351pm

No, it's "esprit de corpse" in obamaspeak.

[Paul Emery]

You are correct L. The hangover of the scandal tarnished Coolidge after he took office when Harding died in 1923. They were all Republicans-Harding, Coolidge then Hoover from 1921 thru 1933 so my contention that it was all Republican Presidents-12 years- that led up to the depression is verified.

Republican Presidents all were in office when all three economic disasters happened.

[George Rebane]

re MaryW 350pm - Well sumbich, thought it would never happen, but this leftwing sackhead and I finally agree on Antifa. Antifa is really nothing but a label for distributed extreme leftwing conduct in the public arena. There is nothing centralized or organized about it. One group of leftwing radicals sees what another has done in at some event, and they copy it as 'best practices', therefore both looking alike to the casual observer. That kind of 'monkey see, monkey do' conduct is baked into human action, both for good and evil. Were there any leadership or mother temple for Antifa, the feds would have been all over it long ago like ugly on a bear's ass. Unfortunately, our president is not being properly advised on the matter, and therefore provides more ammo for his enemies by shooting from the lip. Or could it be that he's not listening to good advice on the matter? ;-)

[Mary Wanna]

George: 🤠

[Mary Wanna]

Joe Biden hits the streets with protesters as Donald Trump hides under his desk
Bill Palmer | 6:58 pm EDT May 31, 2020

[George Rebane]

Anybody with an ounce of economics savvy and history knows that the Great Depression started when an overheated market correction was not salved by liquidity from the Fed, which then was still a young institution not certain of its bearings. Today the Fed knows exactly what to do to stop a plunging market by pumping extra dollars into the economy. It is the light thinkers and the union educated who today conveniently blame the whole thing on Hoover and any other Republican president they can lay their hands on. Hoover tanked it, FDR fixed it - easy money. What's your next slogan?

[Paul Emery]

So George you believe it's co-incidental that these things happened under a Republican watch?

[Don Bessee]

#sadpoolfakenewsman @754

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Troll says -

Joe Biden hits the streets with protesters as Donald Trump hides under his desk
Bill Palmer | 6:58 pm EDT May 31, 2020
Posted by: Mary Wanna | 31 May 2020 at 05:30 PM

Hits the streets, no. Staged photo op yes. How long did it take to get creepy grampa joe up off his knee? LOL

;-)

[Don Bessee]

She may well be right, remember 68! -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/31/woman-to-santa-monica-looters-this-is-going-to-get-trump-reelected/

;-)

[Keith]

So Emery, at 7:54 PM, is it just coincidental that all the major wars of the 20th Century started with Democrats as President?

[L]

Paul, you might also recall that in 1921-33, the federal government wasn't yet in the business of pretending to run the economy. That began under the reign of the American destroyer, FDR. The present is what get by inviting socialism is for a trial.

The triumph of the socialist project would result in the almost immediate* extermination of the human race. The artifacts will be identifiable for millennia; the people gone.

*decades. not Centuries.

Even without the cancerous touch of Marx and Lenin, it looks like a close thing.

[Paul Emery]

No excuses L.

The Depression occurred under the 12 year leadership of Republican President. Just like the Great recession of '08 occurred during the 8 years of Bush. Most of his term the Repubs had control of the House and Senate. No excuses. His job was to lead and he failed miserably.

Ane history is repeating itself with Trump

If you vote for a Republican for President history shows there is a high probability of economic disster.

[Paul Emery]

sp: disaster

[Walt]

All of The Emery tripe can be found on page 102 of "The world according to Emery" from Twilight Zone publishing.
Karl Marx was just misunderstood... Right Emery?

[Paul Emery]

Walt

What does Marx have to do with the miserable job the Republicans have done managing the economy?
Weird desperate response.

[L]

Paul @ 9:43- So that's what fifty years of dope smoking sounds like; hope you like living in the world you imagine will replace the one God gave you to live in. Good luck.

[Robert Cross]

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p08d53s8/the-importance-of-knowing-you-might-be-wrong

[Walt]

Take another bong hit Emery, We have ALWAYS done better with Repubs in charge. Sorry your alternate universe is different.
Only the likes of you still believe that "O"'s free health care was so great.
So cheap, no one could afford to use it.
Clean, cheap "green power". Three times the cost of oil and gas.
Put Americans out of work, and ship cheap shit in from other nations. So.. Just how are people buy that cheap shit, if they don't have jobs to make money?
Oh... Yaa... Welfare checks. Why didn't Repubs think of that?

Tell me Emery, Where are the poor people that employ high paying jobs?

Maybe dope needs to be re-illegalized so the price can go back up, and the county can thrive again from that underground economy.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 943am - Paul, is there a chance you can point us to the book(s) from which you draw your knowledge of American history? One of them could well be the dreadfully political history texts (all composed under the aegis of the federally funded UCLA History Project) from which our high schoolers are taught in union public schools. I have had the privilege of reading the one used in NUHS - wow! Please tell us so we can better understand you and yours.

[keith]

Okay, Emery doesn't want to answer about all the wars started by Democratic presidents in the 20th Century.

So another one for you, Emery? Should President Truman been prosecuted for war crimes for dropping the bombs on Japan and killing tens upon tens of thousands of japanese civilians?

And don't give me that crap about Trump's economy. It was doing great until the whole coronavirus came along. And if you remember, Trump was trying to stop the flow of people from China while Nancy Pelosi was dancing in the streets of SF Chinatown and calling him a racist

[Walt]

Keith.. You will get nowhere stating facts to Emery.
He has PLENTY of crickts to do his answering.

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery | 01 June 2020 at 09:43 AM

What a laugh you supply. The Roaring 20's were a real boon to America after the WW! and Wilson Spanish Flu fiasco. All free markets and so much wealth created. Then the bust when FDR go elected. Then Clinton and the tech bust. Yeah you libs forget all that which cracks me up. I am now being accused of racism by your ilk for saying WUHAN virus. What a hoot!

[Paul Emery]

So correct me if I'm wrong.

The Republicans were not responsible for what led up to the Depression but Roosevelt and the Democrats were responsible for the way they handled the recovery. Also Bush was not responsible for the Great Recession but Obama was responsible for the debt and slow recovery.

Also Trump was not responsible for the current recession and neither is he responsible for the likely 5 trillion in debt in his first and likely only term.

Also Nixon was a small time petty amateur crook (as well as Agnew) but Obama and Biden are the real deal when it came to corruption.

This is based on your posting over the last few days.

[Walt]

Jesus H Christ Emery, Blame Trump for shutting the nation because of what China did? You bitched he didn't do it fast enough, or soon enough. What next? he ordered that cop to put his knee on his neck?

Did you stay home when the 1969 killer flu rampaged the world?
You seem to have made it though.

[Paul Emery]

My 12:04 was for George

[Gregory]

Punchy 1204pm

Have you ever heard of the business cycle? That's what FDR turned into the Great Depression. What Bernake was apologizing for the Fed's actions that caused that pain.

The great recession was caused by the implosion of bad paper issued by Fannie and Freddie. Yes or no?

Arguing with Paul is like putting an octopus into a bucket.

Punch, you are an irrational being with no discernable memory.

[Walt]

Tough titty Emery, You post crap, your fair game.
Want it personal to keep your stupidity secret? Send an email.

[fish]

Arguing with Paul is like putting an octopus into a bucket.

Punch, you are an irrational being with no discernable memory.

Yes......it is exactly this......and if you respond with anything other than remorseless ridicule it only encourages him!

[Bill Tozer]

My my. I have waited a very long time for the Teapot Dome scandal to be brought up in some kind of Punch Drink argument and when the day finally comes, Slappy butchers it, lol. Mercy.

“So correct me if I'm wrong”. Rightttt. Like, that will do any good. Do not feed the trolls.
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As you fine gentlemen and scumbag debate multi-faceted issues of the past, it may serve y’all well to take things in their historical context. The definitions of what is a Republican and what is a Democrat have changed over the years. JKF’s famous speech, ‘Ask not what your country can do you, but ask what you can do for your country’ today would be considered heartless, devoid of compassion, and some Right Wing “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” angry old white man rhetoric. Not very progressive.

Not all things have changed. Was it FDR or Wilson who ordered the military re-segregated? Wasn’t it Al Gore’s daddy the Dem senator who vigorously opposed segregation? Yep, some things don’t change.
Today, the Dems do not believe in the American Dream for all. If they did, there would be protests across the nation decrying policies that exclude Asian Americans via discriminatory admission policies at Harvard, the UC Regents, and New York City in Advanced Placement Public Schools.

Today a “Democrat” is anti-free speech.

Which President do we blame for the Dust Bowl? Happened on somebody’s watch.
Ah, nevermind.

“So correct me if I'm wrong”. Lol. Good one.

[Walt]

Who dreamed up FED backed loans for anyone who could fog a mirror Emery? Banks were FORCED to make those loans.
Remember Barney Frank? We still have yet to see the end of that fiasco. That bad paper is still floating around.
"homeownership is a right". Even if you can't afford to make the third payment. Buying a home on EBT cards was was sure a hot idea...

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

Then why didn't Bush or his financial team warn the American people about what you characterize as an impending doom? Isn't that a sign of failed leadership?

[Paul Emery]

Also Gregory you as a Libertarian should be appalled by the 5 Trillion or so national debt being piled on since Trump took office. Not a peep. Why is that?

[Bill Tozer]

Walt @ 12 38 pm

Barney Frank? You forgot to add Maxine Waters! Mad Max was been named not once but twice (repeat offender) The Most Corrupt Member of Congress by the non-partisan watchdog CREW. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Government. And they have listed many R’s on their list

It was Mad Max that screamed that any criticism of Harold Raines (head of Fanny) was racist and motivated by racism, not corruption and mismanagement...not to mention Harold hiding the dirty details that Fanny was going belly up...by his bad investments.

Nothing to see here, folks.....Opps, forgot that 11 million bailout that Mad Max’s husband got for the bank he was heavily invested in (board member, too) and for whom Mad Max personally intervened by directly calling Treasury and Obama....well, they never paid back a penny. Like a good magician act, the elephant in the room just disappeared. Poof.

I do enjoy a good magic show. It’s amazing how the Dem puppets turn themselves into asses.

Trump was right. Mad Max does look like she wears James Brown wig.

[Bill Tozer]

5 trillion dollars? No worries, Fauxahonas and the gang have a plan for that: 60 trillion. :)

[fish]

Hope you got what you needed .....before!

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/gun-stocks-shoot-higher-after-weekend-chaos

Checked on availability for a Remington 870 Express (not the duck gun)......not looking good....no where in Bass Pro's entire inventory system!

They also said Glock and Sig Sauer are looking at 6 to 9 month inventory backlogs!

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 01 June 2020 at 12:57 PM

"Also Gregory you as a Libertarian should be appalled by the 5 Trillion or so national debt being piled on since Trump took office."

You're right he should.....and I suspect he is......of course there was nary a peep from the Green Libertarian™ about the 8 trillion that Obama spent.

WAIT.......YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR OBAMA A SECOND TIME....SECOND TIME!

[fish]

George......every third comment is disappearing into the void.

[Don Bessee]

One of the leading lights of fakenews at his best/worst -

CNN’s Brian Stelter apologizes after falsely claiming St. John’s showed ‘no sign of smoke or fire’

https://www.foxnews.com/media/stelter-apologizes-st-johns-church-tweet

;-)

[Walt]

Like I said. Emery is in full blown dementia. Reality and facts of history has packed up and left.
Next he could be sayin' Germany won WWII. Give him time.

[Walt]

Here.. Kinda the way Emery remembers histoy.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/01/old-row-outdoors-unloading-boat-truck-twitter-video/

[George Rebane]

fish 131pm - only saw one of yours in the spam folder and posted it. I have been pulling off-topic comments though, but not any in the last couple of days. Thanks for the heads up.

[Paul Emery]

Hey Walt, George, Gregory, don and bill, fish and other Tea Party types. Remember when the Tea Party stood for something?

Remember this:

"The Tea Party movement is an American fiscally conservative political movement within the Republican Party. Members of the movement have called for lower taxes, and for a reduction of the national debt of the United States and federal budget deficit through decreased government spending."

what happened? Not a peep of protest from any of you about the 5 Trillion increase in national debt under Trump after factoring in the huge amount paid out during the corona virus pandemic.

"The country’s worsening fiscal picture runs in sharp contrast to President Trump’s campaign promise to eliminate the federal debt within eight years. The deficit is up nearly 50 percent in the Trump era. Since taking office, Trump has endorsed big spending increases and steered most Republicans to abandon the deficit obsession they held during the Obama administration."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/25/us-deficit-hit-billion-marking-nearly-percent-increase-during-trump-era/

[Mary Wanna]

Trump wishes badly he was Marcos or Duterte or the Ayatollah,

The call with Trump was "deeply disturbing," Governor Wittmer said.

"Instead of offering support or leadership to bring down the temperature at protests, President Trump told governors to ‘put it down’ or we would be ‘overridden,'" Whitmer said.

"He said governors should ‘dominate’ protesters, ‘or you’ll look like a bunch of jerks.’ The president repeatedly and viciously attacked governors, who are doing everything they can to keep the peace while fighting a once-in-a-generation global pandemic."

“The president’s dangerous comments should be gravely concerning to all Americans," Whitmer said."

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 01 June 2020 at 02:52 PM

Hey Walt, George, Gregory, don and bill, fish and other Tea Party types. Remember when the Tea Party stood for something?

The Tea Party lost Punch......much to your glee if I recall.....no sense whining about it (sorry....I know that's your thing!) now!

How goes your rebuilding of the California Party? Progress being made?

[fish]

Posted by: Mary Wanna | 01 June 2020 at 02:57 PM

Great....messy pants is here!

[Paul Emery]

Yeah fish the Tea Party lost for sure because any principals it had were abandoned once Trump came along. He's the total antithesis of the Tea party and all of you went goo goo over him crawling at his feet. Sad.

[Todd Juvinall]

Oh my and Trump is doing his voodoo to get that asteroid to hit the planet. Looks like there is nothing he can't do.

[Paul Emery]

You were in the Tea Party Todd, what is your view of the 5 Trillion dollar deficit Trump has run up in his first four years?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 252pm - Actually Paul, the Tea Party was never a part of the Republican Party. You must have got that little factoid from a fake news outlet. And the only "principals" the TP abandoned was when it split after its two leaders got into a pissing match. Neither faction abandoned its principles; the political parties (Dems and Repubs) in power never implemented many TP principles through legislation. And only the Repubs paid lip service to some of them.

Who went "goo goo over (Trump) crawling at his feet"? The conservative commenters here have taken him to task (most certainly I do that constantly) when his mouth goes off the rails. And not all of us are totally sanguine about his trade policies, even though most of them are having beneficial impacts on our economy which even Dems admit. The only crowd that has gone goo-goo over a politician in recent memory is St Obama's supporters.

[Gregory]

Funny, I can't remember ever being a tea partier.

Does anyone have a bucket with an octopus resistant lid?

[Walt]

LOL Paul, you still defend the failed "O".. He did jack shit except throw wild "look at me" parties, on the taxpayer dime.
How did his "shovel ready job" crap play out? (non union need not apply)
He DID get the American spirit rolling in the anti big gov movement. We prospered DESPITE his attempts to stop it.
You know,, Fracking and the Dakota oil..(All on state and private land)
Nice try blaming "burning water" on fracking. Ya' kinda got burned on that one.

Thanks to your boy "O",, Trump got elected.

[Paul Emery]

It never was affiliated with a Party George but it was committed to it's principals one being fiscally responsible. I'm pretty sure you were involved, correct me if I'm wrong.

Didn't vote for Obama second time around out of principal. Are you going to vote for Trump this fall?

[Walt]

I have the balls to say YES.. You,, not so much.
Whos the pro doper your backing this time? Oh... That's right,, Biden.. His mind is as bad as yours.

Emery. You boy "O" said "those jobs ain't coming back"
Uh,, they sure as hell did,, and with interest.

Just who wants a return of high taxation and regulation?
Nope, you NEVER have an answer to that... WHY EMERY WHY???

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery | 01 June 2020 at 03:19 PM
No you fake news man. I was never in the Tea Party. You just make it up.

[Bill Tozer]

Slappy,

I did not recall you once decrying Zerobama for doubling the debt (or was that the deficit?) of all former Presidents in our nation's history COMBINED. Not once. I do remember you throwing barbs at the TPP every chance you had...as Fish pointed out, with glee. Violent Right Wing Extremists and racists to boot!

Glad you have had your Come to Jesus moment and are concerned with Federal spending. You now can join Rand Paul and be the lone voice crying in the wilderness.

Excuse me if I don't take you seriously.

Mean ole Trumpf is making poor Germany pay their fair share to NATO money they do not have, sob,sob. We should pay for their security, right? Mean o Ron Paul is blocking funding to 9/11 first responder's health fund due to budget concerns over the entire budget...opps, blame Trumpf.
Shut down, anyone? But, but, but what about our local US Forest Service Ranger who missed a paycheck. Don't you care about her, Bill? Blah, blah, blah.

Sorry, can't take you seriously, Slap Happy.
--
Speaking of the Tea Party, the wack jobs on the Left are now comparing the peaceful looters rioting and destroying small businesses to the Boston Tea Party, ROFLMAO. Unbelievable

Sorry, I can't take them or the lamestream media in their back pockets seriously either.

Poppenjay is a good name, a name I used to call you. Lets talk about Melania's shoes again, shall we ole poppinjay? It will be another serious conversation I bet

[Bill Tozer]

Dr. Rebane @ 3:20 pm

“Who went "goo goo over (Trump) crawling at his feet"? The conservative commenters here have taken him to task (most certainly I do that constantly) when his mouth goes off the rails.”

Not a day passes that I don’t read a respected conservative commentator writing about Trump’s shot from the lip, comments in unflattering terms. National Review, Powelineblog, etc.

From last Thursday’s Daily Quotes:

Observations: “If President Donald Trump sends out a series of bizarre and morally reprehensible tweets accusing Joe Scarborough of murdering a congressional intern — and if you point out that this is both bizarre and morally reprehensible — then you will be labeled insufficiently loyal to the cause. It’s not about truth; it’s not about decency; it’s about signaling your commitment. In the real world, commitment without decency is a sin. Online, commitment without decency is a virtue. Which is why if you spend too much time on Twitter, you probably ought to be committed.” —Ben Shapiro

For the record: “I don’t really care what you think about Joe Scarborough, but no American deserves to have the President of the United States targeting him with accusations of murder. No American deserves the President of the United States tweeting out salacious and unproven accusations suggesting murder and conspiracy. The deceased’s family does not deserve it. Her widower husband does not deserve it. That President Trump does not seem to understand that should bother every one of us.” —Erick Erickson

Oh, BTW, the “shoot from the lip” reference is from Dr. Rebane.

[fish]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 01 June 2020 at 03:04 PM

Yeah fish the Tea Party lost for sure because any principals it had were abandoned once Trump came along. He's the total antithesis of the Tea party and all of you went goo goo over him crawling at his feet. Sad.

I realize you're getting up there and that the memory does tend to go.....

The Tea Party that troubled you so was a spent force by the time Obama started his second term.

Just no way around it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

[Mary Wanna]

Most stupid thing I've seen yet, Trump standing in front of a closed church holding up the some Bible that he never reads and then he walks away. After he trots out the usual crew for a photo op.

[Walt]

Nice try he/she Trump Does read it. You use the pages as rolling papers.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 354pm - "committed to it's principals"?? Perhaps you were trying to say 'committed to its principles' - principal is NOT principle, nor is the contraction for 'it is' a proxy for the possessive pronoun 'its'.

But such niceties aside, yes I was part of the leadership that formed the Nevada County Tea Party, one of the first in the land since national leader/founder Mark Meckler was a county resident. Fiscal responsibility was one of the TP's tenets. Fall is a long way off, but if the Biden/Trump election were today, I definitely would vote for Trump.

[Bill Tozer]

Speaking of a closed church, the St. John’s Church has a rich history. Luckily the fire damage was not as bad as feared.

Start at 15: 58 for WH reaction to St. John’s Church in DC

https://www.facebook.com/Brian.Kolfage.jr/videos/278908613156714/?v=278908613156714

You would have thunk the Parks Service or DC cops would have protected the Lincoln Memorial. Whatz next? Defacing Arlington?

[George Rebane]

Mary 435 pm - For at least half the country it is important to see the President take public note of the attack on the 'Church of the Presidents' across the street from where he lives. And to have that visit appropriately recorded for Americans to see. Also, I was not aware of your deep knowledge about Donald Trump's spiritual practices.

[Paul Emery]

Thanks for the grammar lesson George. At least on this matter you are correct.

My fondest hope would be that when it becomes
obvious that Trump is not re-electable, which will happen, that you would be one of the leaders to rebuild the Republican party epecially in California where it is merely a relic at this time. AB5 is an example of what can happen in a one party system.

Trump is down by over 25% in most California polls.

https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/california/

[Walt]

Trump will be unelectable after his second term Emery.
Now... Can you hold out that long? Remember when I said,
"Your chances of ever seeing a LIB elected ever again, are real slim".
No one, not even half wits with a lick of sanity will vote Biden, save for the blue ball Democrat.

Funny, Emery has yet to say just how a LIB is supposed to be better than Trump. Talk is cheap Ol' buzzard.
Just what will LIBS do Emery? huhh? huhh??

[Bill Tozer]

And Trump is down 98 in the Castro District and probably 90 where their is looting goi g on in Oakland.

@ 5:13 pm., re: St John’s Church. What’s all the fuss about? It’s not like the Norte Dame Cathedral in Paris (tongue in cheek). I recall some Lefties had quite the negative reaction to too much coverage of that “tourist attraction” as well.

Roll tape.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-trump-walks-out-of-white-house-to-go-across-street-to-church-burned-by-violent-rioters
———
Slap Happy

What more can Dr. Rebane do? He already lives in a solid Red District, which we are most grateful for. Are you saying you want Dr. Rebane to move to Orange County and take his show there?

[Paul Emery]

Trump is mentally ill and a danger to our Country. That's one of the reasons he's doing so poorly in the polls. That and his terrible leadership during the pandemic and massive debt due to his failed tax cuts for the rich.

I'd vote for you Walt if you were the other option.

[Walt]

LOOK!!! Dr. Emery is back. Trump is more stable than you!
Your nuts. Certifiable. Off your meds.

Still won't answer my Questions Emery? Too tough?
This is the kind of crap you say when your cornered and know I'm right.

A proggy is an enemy of the state. No such thing as a "good" LIB.

[Bill Tozer]

On another subject,

SOROS-FUNDED LEFTISTS DOMINATE FACEBOOK CENSORSHIP BOARD

“Judicial Watch has taken an in-depth look at the members of Facebook’s recently-appointed oversight board that will decide which posts get blocked. It found that the board “is stacked with leftists, including a close friend of leftwing billionaire George Soros who served on the board of directors of his Open Society Foundations (OSF).” Indeed, more than half of the 20 board members have ties to Soros”

“The Facebook board contains some hardcore leftists with no know connection to Soros. (You don’t need such connections to be a lefty, it just helps if you want to monetize your leftism.) They include Katherine Chen, Nicolas Suzor, Jamal Greene, and Pam Karlan.”

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/soros-funded-leftists-dominate-facebook-censorship-board.php

Quite the list. What’s that you say? Ok, got it. Nothing to see here, move on...or face FB jail.

[Walt]

Dougy must be having the time of his life TROLLING the Daily Caller. Plenty of anti Trump posts and never responding to any of the responses. Soros bucks must be racking up. (5 cents a post, and three cents for every pissed reply)

[Todd Juvinall]

Paul Emery | 01 June 2020 at 06:29 PM
No you are mentally ill Paul Emery and should seek help and lay off the mind-altering drugs. Trump is trying to save America from you and your rioter pals. You are not a person who should talk about patriotism or even being an American. China is a better fit for you and since you love them so much we can help with the moving expenses.

[Paul Emery]

The Trump collapse is astounding according to Conservative Jennifer Rubin

"Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin said Trump is quickly becoming the “invisible president.”

According to the conservative, Trump’s polling collapse is “breathtaking” in light of an election that is just months away.

“The Post-ABC News poll in March showed his approval rating nudging into positive territory (48 percent approval vs. 46 percent disapproval); the latest poll released on Sunday shows him back in negative territory (45 percent to 53 percent). His personal favorability is net -13. His rating on handling the coronavirus has gone from a net +6 to a net -7,” Rubin explained that there is little going right for the president at the moment as he is overwhelmed by events and former Vice President Joe Biden — the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee — surges in the polls.
Rubin Writes “Biden has an enormous approval advantage among groups critical to his victory,” Rubin suggested the former veep may yet see another bump due to how Trump has handled the Floyd protests.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/trump-has-become-the-invisible-president-as-his-poll-numbers-collapse-with-breathtaking-speed-conservative/

[Don Bessee]

HAHAHAHA This Jenifer Rubin is conservative only at the wa compost and in your TDS infected cranium -

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-jennifer-rubin-trump-supporters-college-educated

Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin was criticized for declaring 2020 Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden should tell voters that relying on President Trump “allowed thousands of Americans to die” and his reelection would result in more deaths.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/jennifer-rubin-joe-biden-donald-trump

President Trump has been living rent-free in Jennifer Rubin’s head for the past four years. Every day, her profound hatred for the President compels this poor afflicted woman to humiliate herself in a new way. Several times a week, Rubin actually becomes the news because of another tone-deaf tweet.

Today, she managed to outdo herself and wrote, in my humble opinion, the greatest tweet ever sent, which I’ll get to.

This, of course, made us laugh because we remember the Jennifer Rubin of 2018.
Oddly, there were quite a few hits for Rubin’s tweets on Justice Brett Kavanaugh, but they’re no longer available. Deleted?

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/05/05/jennifer-rubin-the-greatest-tweet-ever-sent/

Before moving into opinion writing, Rubin was a labor and employment lawyer in Los Angeles, working for Hollywood studios, for 20 years. She now describes herself as a "recovering lawyer".[6] Commenting on working with her from 2000–05, Hollywood animator and trade union leader Steve Hulett described her to Media Matters as "always funny, with sharp observations. I never got the impression she was anything but a Democrat ... she was mildly critical of some of Kerry's campaign moves during the '04 campaign, but she wasn't in the Bush camp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Rubin_(journalist)

;-)

[Paul Emery]

Sorry to tell you Don the numbers are what they are.

“The Post-ABC News poll in March showed his approval rating nudging into positive territory (48 percent approval vs. 46 percent disapproval); the latest poll released on Sunday shows him back in negative territory (45 percent to 53 percent). His personal favorability is net -13. His rating on handling the coronavirus has gone from a net +6 to a net -7,”

[Don Bessee]

Typical po' ol' fakenewsman dodge when busted for bull shit! LOL

;-)

[Paul Emery]

Are you saying the numbers aren't real Don? Here's the source of the story

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

[Bill Tozer]

Oh, what about the ‘conservative’ William ‘Bill’ Kristol that Slap Happy likes to quote. And Wikileaks says “William Kristol is an American neoconservative political analyst. A frequent commentator on several networks, he was the founder and editor-at-large of the ...[now defunct rag he published as his readers walked away from his liberal trash.]

The conservative Jennifer Rubin. Oh my, that’s a new one.

“...according to Conservative Jennifer Rubin.” “ According to the conservative, Trump’s....”

That is like Susan Rice writing herself, “Obama said by the book.” “Everything done by the book.”

Sweet. Almost as funny as calling Khashoggi a journalist. Most of the columns submitted to the Wa Compost were written by the Qatar Embassy in Washington and all his columns where edited by and approved by the Qatar Embassy before submission... being on the Qatar payroll and all. Wonder if he had to register and fill out the forms to register as working for a foreign government. Nah, that only applies to those targets of Obama’s witch-hunt.

Jennifer Rubin, the conservative. Did I tell you that Jennifer Rubin is a conservative? Good one. Belly laugh of the day. Thank you, kind court jester.

Coming next: “Conservative” Max Boot said...

[Bill Tozer]

Re: St John’s Episcopal Church

“I see there are many people, most in media, more upset about President Trump walking to St. John’s Church and holding up a bible than they were about the church being lit on fire by rioters last night.” —-Kristin Fisher

[Mary Wanna]

Taxpayer funded campaign photo op by Trump at the church. When is property damage an "attack" George? I say it is vandalism. Buildings, schools, etc. have been "attacked" by vandals over the years. It isn't a war but some will try to spin it that way.

Trump says, "I support the peaceful protesters, then he attacks peaceful protesters standing near a church with horses, flash bangs, rubber bullets and pepper bullets. Total liar.

Did Trump crack the Bible, or speak of passages from the Bible at the church? No.

Has Trump ever set foot in that church? I wonder.

[Mary Wanna]

Trump held the Bible upside down and backward. Proof that he belongs in the Circle of Clueless Buffoons.

The bishop of the church said she was outraged that the church was used as a photo op.

[scenes]

MWanna: " Buildings, schools, etc. have been "attacked" by vandals over the years."

lmfao.

Yeah. This is just normal vandalism, nothin' to see here.

Don't you have a business to go loot or something? Maybe a statue to pull down?

[Bill Tozer]

For Fish, 28 seconds. Nor for any reader.

https://www.facebook.com/crunchybobjones/videos/2892776417466424/UzpfSTQyNjg4Mzg2NzM3NDY5OTozMTgwODM1OTUxOTc5NDYz/