Antifa Rising (updated 9jun20)

George Rebane

Motivated by the ongoing George Floyd protests cum riots, I renewed my interest in finding out more about Antifa – is it an organization or merely a movement of loosely coupled cells operating all over the country?  The discussions in our comment streams seem to divide along ideological lines – those leaning right see it as a formidable organization that rises to the occasion whenever there’s a political contention in the public forum; those leaning left characterize it as nothing more than a movement of some loosely formed groups of protesters against the country’s capitalist order.  In recent days I’ve received some informative emails from readers containing links to reports and commentaries that cover the waterfront on Antifa.  Here I’ll share a couple of them which I found more salient to my puzzling on the matter.

First some definitions:  A movement is a social cohort sharing an affinity to a set of beliefs and an overarching objective.  They usually express themselves in conjunction with other social gatherings, observances, and/or ad hoc events which may spontaneously/serendipitously arise.  A movement need not be organized around an enduring social structure.  An organization is a social order that has an enduring and labeled identity which is structured to achieve an objective summarized in a published mission statement, the accomplishment of which is through some known intermediate goals.  Organizations have a leadership hierarchy (e.g. board, executive management, operating managers, staff, …), a headquarters, established means of funding operations, membership, and a current agenda.  As they grow and gather steam, movements inevitably become organized in order to continue progress toward their overarching objective. 

The following numbered points summarize my current take on Antifa –

1. The origins of Antifa can be traced to the post-Bolshevik movements to spread the communist revolution into western Europe during the 1920s, specifically to counter the fascist (national socialist) movements that started in Italy with the rise of Mussolini after he was expelled from the Italian Communist Party.
2. Antifa members held a loosely defined and contradictory political ideology that welcomed both anarchists and Marxist/Leninist communists. The anarchists wanted to do away with all government immediately, and the communists wanted big governments to control all aspects of society.  But we recall that the Marx’s stated ultimate objective was a social order in which the perfected communist Man would live in social harmony without further need for government.  So in that sense Antifa could attract both anarchists and communists to work together toward an ultimate common goal, the timing of which they could quibble over after the established ‘fascist social orders’ were overthrown.
3. Antifa divides people into anti-fascists, fascists, and those who are ideologically innocent/naïve. Fascism is never given a precise operational definition, but is simply defined as being anything and everything that opposes the Antifa objectives and methods.
4. The acknowledged and taught MO to achieve Antifa objectives is through violence that is justified because Antifa members consider all opposition to their creed to also be expressions of violence.
5. The Antifa movement never became a stable organization in Europe or in its spread to the US. It arose here and there to oppose fascism in pre-WW2 Europe and was ruthlessly put down by the Nazis.
6. Antifa has made itself known through protest demonstrations of opportunity over the last decades by joining the ranks of non-violent protesters and then turning the protests into violent riots by instigating assaults on police, arson, looting, and generally creating opportunistic mayhem. Their intent is to project the image that the entire protesting cohort in the streets share their objectives and violent means of achieving them.
7. No overarching Antifa organization has been identified in the US. However, there are several Antifa cells that have names and aggressively operate in various cities and regions of our country.  Today they are very active during the ongoing George Floyd protests, successfully having turned most of them into destructive riots.
8. Antifa’s published leaflets and online proclamations declare its fundamental opposition to property, established legal order, capitalism, individual rights and freedom, religion, and constitutional government. The underlying objective of all their activities is the ultimate destruction of the United States of America, their greatest worldwide evil against which all means and methods are justified.
9. “Antifa activists communicate and recruit mostly through social media, using Facebook as their principal forum for organizing protests.” Antifa cells receive money for recruiting and operations through a number of listed leftwing, pro-socialist organizations funded by prominent hard-left personages (e.g. George Soros and various entertainers).
10. The main source of new Antifa members is from the constituents of the Democratic Party. The Dems and their lamestream media provide the political support for Antifa, mischaracterizing them as ‘protesters’, never calling them rioters, and minimizing reports of their violence and destruction.  And when all else fails, Antifa is portrayed as being in the streets to justifiably oppose ‘rightwing anarchists’ and ‘white nationalists’ who are the real fascists and instigators of the riots.
11. The Democratic Party sees Antifa as a cohort of useful idiots that today function to keep alive the more visible and virulent forms of anti-Trump sentiments without having to expose themselves as militantly in the streets seeking to bring about their advertised “fundamental transformation” of America. More importantly, Antifa’s message to the minorities reinforces the Democrats’ decades-long narrative that our Hispanics and African-Americans continue as perpetual victims of corporate America and racist whites.
12. There is a lot written about Antifa. From my readings, the two most informative that I found are ‘Project Veritas: Antifa Operates Like a Business’ and ‘A Communist & Anarchist Movement That Explicitly Endorses Violence’.

[8jun20 update]  The Antifa Manual.  Over the last week I’ve received several emails with what is purported to be the manual for Antifa members that outlines its ideology and the modus operandi of its street operations.  At first I hesitated to post it for several reasons that made me doubt its authenticity, primarily the variations in the writing style and a very naïve composition/structure.  It looks like it was meant to communicate the evils of Antifa to people unfamiliar with the movement.  In any event, whatever its provenance, someone went to some trouble to make the document look like the real deal.  You can download it and make up your own mind.  Download Antifa-Manual

[9jun20 update]  Noted WSJ columnist Bill McGurn joins many nationwide observers of how the peaceful protests have been co-opted by violent thugs, most of whom pledge their allegiance to the many Antifa cells that supply rioters to the various George Floyd demonstration venues.  In his ‘Mayhem is the Message’, McGurn writes – “If justice for George Floyd is the goal, many cannot fathom how it makes any sense to trash already-vulnerable neighborhoods, kill other African-American men in the process, and destroy black-owned stores that, as former President Barack Obama just pointed out, may never come back. But it makes perfect sense if the goal is to indict America as fatally compromised by racism since birth. And if the mayhem provokes authorities such as Mr. Trump into further inflaming the situation, so much the better.”

And then there’s CNN’s Chris Cuomo, the idiot brother of New York’s governor, who pours gasoline on the fire with his, “Please, show me where it says protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.”  The dufus totally misses that ‘polite and peaceful’ is how the lamestream, led by his employer, has been characterizing the riots.  Today’s perversity of the Left includes the observation by Scott Walker of the Capital Research Center that “Radical mobs on campuses call speech they don’t like ‘violence,’ ” while “Radical mobs in the streets call their violence ‘speech.’ Either way, instead of highlighting the difference between peaceful protesters and rioters, they want to erase it.”  The reasonable voices from the black community are always few and hard to hear over those screeching victimhood, but three intellectual giants stand out – Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, and Shelby Steele.  African-Americans would fare far better following their counsel, instead of divisive demogauges like Sharpton and Jackson.

Comments

[Bill Tozer]

Upon reading the 2nd link above, I have nothing to add, just repeat some things that jumped off the page.

1) And the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that routinely likens conservatives to racists and fascists, has elected not to include Antifa in its list of “hate groups.” SPLC president Richard Cohen explains that while “we oppose these groups and what they’re trying to do” by censoring speech and provoking “other forms of retaliation,” Antifa does not qualify for designation as a “hate group” because its adherents do not discriminate against people on the basis of race, sexual orientation, religion, or other variables protected by anti-discrimination laws. In short, said Cohen, Antifa’s brand of hate is “not the type of hate we follow.”

2) ”....an August 2017 interview with podcaster Stefan Molyneux, a former Antifa activist-turned-conservative said that drug addiction is “extremely common” among anarchists, and that those anarchists “who aren’t addicted to drugs or to alcohol, are very often addicted to rage” and “violence.” “The rush that you get from that kind of hatred, that you direct at everyone else in society, it feels like a drug, and it feels like addiction,” he explained. “It’s a rush of power. The regular rules don’t apply to you, because you’re above them, better than them. You steal to survive, and you think that makes you better.” He took pains to emphasize “what an absolutely vicious, toxic, abusive, hate culture the radical left is.”

3). “ Antifa members usually launch attacks against people who are not doing anything violent, but who are merely speaking, or trying to speak. As longtime anti-fascist activist Scott Crow explains, Antifa views conservative speech itself as an act of violence that must be countered with physical violence. Whether such an approach is justified, says Crow, “that’s for history to decide.”

4 and 5). Antifa’s uncompromising hatred for police officers is embodied in Michael Isaacson, co-founder of the Washington-based Antifa group called Smash Racism DC. While serving as an adjunct professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, a certified New York City Police Academy, Isaacson made headlines when he tweeted in August 2017: “Some of y’all might think it sucks being an anti-fascist teaching at John Jay College but I think it’s a privilege to teach future dead cops.” On other occasions, Isaacson has claimed that neo-Nazis have infiltrated police departments in the U.S. and thus “have them kind of on their side.”

Antifa activists direct their violence not only at people whom they characterize as “fascists” and “white supremacists,” but also at material property. In the aforementioned August 2017 interview with podcaster Stefan Molyneux, an Antifa activist-turned-conservative said that the notion that “property is theft” is widely embraced by American anarchists. Because they view property as a symbol of materialism and unfair wealth distribution, they typically consider its destruction to be a noble act. According to the Green Mountain Anarchist Collective’s “Black Bloc Papers,” “private property—and capitalism, by extension—is intrinsically violent and repressive and cannot be reformed or mitigated.” Lamenting “all the violence committed in the name of private property rights,” this document charges that “corporate private property” in particular “is itself infinitely more violent than any action taken against it.” By this logic, the destruction of a storefront window can be redefined and justified as the laudable creation of “a vent to let some fresh air into the oppressive atmosphere of a retail outlet.”
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And on and on it goes. Nothing I haven’t heard since my brief association of the YIppies (Youth International Party) in the early70’s or on campuses in the later sixties. Sit around the campfire and plan how to take out the rich dude in the big house on the hill and take his stuff. Then, justify it all by saying your are a modern day Robin Hood and distribute the stolen goods to the poor folk, the needy, the downtrodden or how you will use the loot to improve society,....when in reality they just wanted another’s wealth to keep for themselves without earning or working for it

Man, all that smooth talking lofty ideals to mask pure unadulterated greed, envy and sloth. They can justify and rationalize away all the deadly sins. It’s for the common good, lol.

FINALLY my thoughts on Antifa.

This is not a revolution or mass movement we are witnessing. This is a rewatching of A Clockwork Orange we are viewing. Cuddle them and blame ourselves for their violence.

[Scott O]

A friend of mine from northern Idaho just sent me this. You can have peaceful protests without rioting and mayhem. Just apply a heaping helping of 2A.
https://itsmac.com/2020/06/02/coeur-dalene-idaho-stands-up-antifa-stands-down/
An armed society is a polite society.
You lefty haters can say what you want. Compare the results. No fires, no fights, no deaths, no trouble.
Now what are you going to bitch about?
Hmmm?

[fish]

Posted by: Scott O | 07 June 2020 at 07:44 PM

Now what are you going to bitch about?

That there were “ No fires, no fights, no deaths, no trouble“.

All the things that make democratically controlled cities just so magical.

[Scott O]

fish 8:36 - Ahem.
That's "Democrat controlled" cities.

[fish]

Posted by: Scott O | 07 June 2020 at 09:05 PM

I stand corrected.

[scenes]

Antifa? Simply the militant arm of a church. It's hard to get more aggressive than an expansionist religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcRfUb5cJJ0

[fish]

Posted by: scenes | 08 June 2020 at 06:40 AM

Jesuits.......?

[fish]

What happens when your mom finds out you've joined Antifa..

https://twitter.com/AlwaysActions/status/1266746699499950081

[Bill Tozer]

'Journalist Who Was Gang Raped Unloads On Minneapolis City Council President Over ‘Privilege’ Remarks'

"In a separate tweet a short time later, Logan wrote: “Also what I remember from that mob in Egypt – it only took a few trained, paid instigators to turn a celebratory crowd into a frenzy. This is what Antifa does best – they provoke to get the reaction that serves their political agenda. Not for racial justice – that’s a front.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/journalist-who-was-gang-raped-unloads-on-minneapolis-city-council-president-over-privilege-remarks

[Robert cross]

And then there are the good patriots like the CA militia and the Three Percenters who, of course, aren't terrorists. Heavily armed morons have shown up in military style uniforms to "guard" businesses. In Oakdale such idiots showed up and their arrival drew criticism from local law enforcement, with both the Stanislaus County Sheriff’s Office and the Oakdale Police Department saying that the militia presence caused problems. According to Stanislaus County Sheriff Jeff Dirkse, “This ‘militia’ has no official standing, no authority and their presence was counterproductive to keeping the peace in the City of Oakdale. Their activities were a drain on law enforcement resources and did nothing to protect the city,”

Shasta County Sheriff Eric Magrini said, “In no way, shape or form ever would I embrace any kind of vigilante group, do any call to arms to ... deputize somebody or call someone in."

Why haven't some of you shown up yet in your soldier' getups and assault rifles to protect business from the women, children and old men that protest in Grass Valley? It only seems fitting.

And here I thought paramilitary groups that roamed the streets only happened in banana republics... oh yeah under trump we actually live in one.

[scenes]

fish: "Jesuits.......?"

There certainly are episodes in Mob America you can draw from Catholicism. Our current crop of Kneelers sounds more than a little like Flagellants roaming around Europe during the Black Death. You got yer peculiar combination of self-hate combined with a kind of religious ecstasy they exhibit. Chants, in-group symbolism, we're even starting to see holy icons like the Golden Coffin. This last should have been toted around the country in a funeral train ala Lincoln.

No doubt the pressure from our own pandemic has more than a little to do with this. It's a lot less extreme than bubonic plague, but then people are more mentally fragile than in prior centuries.

I think that Antifa and it's ideological relatives are more similar to the people (often later declared saints) who burned libraries, destroyed temples and statues, and forced religious conversion in the early days of the Christian church. It set everybody back a thousand or so years, but it was for The People doncha know.

To be fair, the Left's interest in the destruction of traditional culture doesn't require a church. Both Marxists and Nazis rhyme with modern mass movements in terms of technique, so I suppose it's baked into the cake of large-scale human groups. At least Italian Fascists were mostly off the hook in terms of civilization destruction and the Russians have shown that the damage doesn't have to be permanent.

[George Rebane]

"... Russians have shown that the damage doesn't have to be permanent." Given the resurgence of corrupt autocracy cum tyranny under Putin, the permanence of Russian governance is yet to be determined. Since its birth in the 15th century, Russia has never embodied a society that recognizes or rewards win-win social behaviors. And we may put China since Middle Kingdom days into the same boat. 'Win-Lose' completely explains away their choices of governance and conduct of their societies.

[Paul emery]

George

You write:
. Today they(Antifa) are very active during the ongoing George Floyd protests, successfully having turned most of them into destructive riots.

Can you provide some documentation to support us. Until then it’s just your words and nothing else. Surely Trumps Justice Department should have something available to support this.

[Bill Tozer]

‘Attorney General William Barr Explains Why Antifa Arrests Have Not Been Made — Yet’

https://www.dailywire.com/news/attorney-general-william-barr-explains-why-antifa-arrests-have-not-been-made-yet

[Don Bessee]

BT - Do you really think the pony tail of ignorance is going to bother reading something that does not follow the talking points for lefties narrative?!?

;-)

[scenes]

"Given the resurgence of corrupt autocracy cum tyranny under Putin, the permanence of Russian governance is yet to be determined."

As they simply rolled back to a pre-1917 model, including large-scale traditional religion, I'd say that it's a fairly permanent state of affairs thus far. I'd say that in general, Russians are more nationalistic than US citizens, but that doesn't necessarily prevent internal power struggles. In any case, in the long run, I don't think that the Marxist-Leninist utopia will have made much of a mark on the place.

To tell you the truth, I'm not sure that Russia could survive without quasi-monarchy. The upcoming problem (as usual) is going to be succession, which I think is democracy's strong point. Even the Roman Empire struggled with that one, regardless of different efforts in appointing the next head of state via adoption or having multiple heads of state.

[George Rebane]

scenes 1202pm - Agreed, and that was my point.

PaulE 1058pm - My citing the riots does not include the numerous peaceful protests in small towns like ours. But it does include the larger cities almost all of which have seen destruction, looting, and burning. If you're not aware of this from your sources, then let's have you continue believing that I just made the whole thing up.

[Mary Wanna]

ScottO: hilarious post on Sunday! Yeah, ScottO Coeur d'Alene is a very racially mixed community, big inner city, low income hotbeds of racial tension, right?
Wrong! Racist, Nazi, White Supremacist hotbed, right?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-fg-pacific-northwest-hate-20190525-story.html%3F_amp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwiDgIrcuPXpAhVCnJ4KHZYcASIQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1TwVYFtzxCFUTDJS2E3obW&ampcf=1">https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-fg-pacific-northwest-hate-20190525-story.html%3F_amp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwiDgIrcuPXpAhVCnJ4KHZYcASIQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1TwVYFtzxCFUTDJS2E3obW&ampcf=1">https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-fg-pacific-northwest-hate-20190525-story.html%3F_amp%3Dtrue&ved=2ahUKEwiDgIrcuPXpAhVCnJ4KHZYcASIQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1TwVYFtzxCFUTDJS2E3obW&ampcf=1

[Bill Tozer]

Re; June 9 update

Dr Rebane, I just love this quote. Good find, sir.

“Today’s perversity of the Left includes the observation by Scott Walker of the Capital Research Center that “Radical mobs on campuses call speech they don’t like ‘violence,’ ” while “Radical mobs in the streets call their violence ‘speech.’ Either way, instead of highlighting the difference between peaceful protesters and rioters, they want to erase it.”

Speech is violence and real violence is now speech. Oh my. Soon, things may get back to normal and moi will be posting the insanity on our campuses in the Sandbox. But, until that day.....‘Here we go Bruins, here we go!’ (My condolences, good doc)

‘UCLA Students Want Two Professors Fired Because They Didn’t Accommodate Student Feelings’

https://www.dailywire.com/news/ucla-students-want-two-professors-fired-because-they-didnt-accommodate-student-feelings

What the hay? Accounting students are libertarians or Independents, generally at that age. Or were. Oh my, things have certainly changed.

[fish]

Posted by: Mary Wanna | 09 June 2020 at 12:16 PM

ScottO: hilarious post on Sunday! Yeah, ScottO Coeur d'Alene is a very racially mixed community, big inner city, low income hotbeds of racial tension, right?
Wrong! Racist, Nazi, White Supremacist hotbed, right?

Hmmm....like Truckee I imagine.....one Klan rally after another.....

Climb back under your bed now.

[scenes]

re: BillT@12:19PM

I'd heard of the accounting professor, but not the other guy.

"Another UCLA professor, political science lecturer W. Ajax Peris, is receiving calls for his resignation because he read aloud MLK’s “Letter from Birmingham Jail,” which included the n-word. As The Federalist reported, students “hearing a white lecturer read the n-word from a letter written by a jailed civil rights leader and watching lynching imagery made them feel so ‘uncomfortable,’ they asked Peris to stop.” He apologized for causing “discomfort,” but continued teaching. UCLA’s Political Science Department condemned Peris for failing to “meet the students’ needs” and referred him for a discrimination investigation."

roflmao

It's a bummer that none of our local Blue Mob spend more than a second on any topic besides TrumpTrumpTrump and something he said (as opposed to a policy that actually came from the White House). It would do my heart good to watch these guys justify the literally thousands of crazy doings the Left churns up anymore. TDS is a real thing and I can't help but wonder what the long term health costs are.

I agree with you on the Libertarian/Independent (or simply don't care) tendencies in days of yore, especially in the departments teaching valuable skills. About the only excitement back in my years o' school was the occasional appearance of fundamentalist preachers on campus.

[Don Bessee]

The socialist mayor of Chicago get torched by the aldermen for letting their districts go under the antifa torch! -

According to a tape obtained by WTTW News of an online conference call among the city’s 50 aldermen and the mayor, one alderman could be heard weeping while others angrily decried what was going on in the city.

“My ward is a s--t show,” one alderman says. “They are shooting at the police.”

One alderman asked how seniors and vulnerable populations were supposed to get medicine and food if “every CVS, every Walgreens is shutting down.”

“How do businesses recover and why would they want to recover in our community?” another is heard asking.

On the call, others took aim at Lightfoot herself for her response to the crisis. One man, identified by WTTW News as Ald. Raymond Lopez, demanded that Lightfoot develop a plan to stabilize Chicago’s neighborhoods for five days, calling his Southwest Side ward “a virtual war zone” where armed gang members were threatening to shoot black people.

When he demanded she respond to the remarks, Lightfoot told him he was “100 percent full of s--t.”
“Well, f--k you then,” Lopez responded.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chicago-officials-looting-riots

;-)

[Paul Emery]

George

I'm not denying there are riots and looting etc. I just don't see any evidence as to who to attribute it to.

There are some groups that just like to fuck things up and are not necessarily aligned with the groups that are organizing the demonstrations. Until that is established with arrests and convictions it is wrong especially for our so called President of the United States to accuse an individual for being an accessory to rioting and looting.

Trump tweeted that:

“the Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?”

That statement is disgusting beyond all standards of decency for a POTUS and I hope he gets sued . I'm suprised that you fell for this overt propaganda Martin Gugino with absolutely no substance to back it up

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/president-trump-tweets-antifa-conspiracy-theory-originated-anonymous-blog-n1228356

[Paul Emery]

edit

overt propaganda ABOUT Martin Gugino

[scenes]

There is so much amazing footage out there.

I really should pull all this stuff onto a computer before Google memoryholes it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXZpwnRuKHQ

#lootingforgeorge

PaulE: "I'm not denying there are riots and looting etc. I just don't see any evidence as to who to attribute it to. "

Why, that's easy for you Paul. It's Trump and his Nazi followers' fault. You should stick to your original plan.

[Don Bessee]

I thought mizzou had dried up and blown away after its dramatic enrolment drop -

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/06/09/mizzou-students-demand-removal-of-racist-thomas-jefferson-statue/

;-)

[fish]

Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 12:33 PM

I'd heard of the accounting professor, but not the other guy.

It's things like this that makes me giggle at the prospect of 30 - 50% of existing colleges going belly up in the next ten years!

[Bill Tozer]

Scenes @ 12:48 pm
It is surprising that Google has not taken it all down. The guy swinging a white dog around by its neck (animal cruelty) in broad daylight protesting is something that does not fit the narrative...but you can still find it. I did. Sick MoFo.

Heck, most of the videos posted cannot be posted on most Lamestream media comment sections because of all the foul language by the rioters, looters, ‘mostly’ peaceful protestors, and civic leaders. It’s F Bomb gone wild. What would our Outraged Puritans think?

Oh, the point? The point is I watched 2 minutes of your video. I saw the Antifa symbol spray painted on outside of a burned out building @ 1:47. Can’t miss that A in a circle. It’s their calling card. Heck, it was sprayed on the walls in the Yellow Vest protests in Paris...on the Arch of Triumph. Anyway, back to the video.

[scenes]

re: BillT@1:09PM

I make an effort to hunt around for raw video taken by some random guy. The amount of editing that goes on by MSM to shape a narrative is downright embarrassing any more. A tiny one that served as a great example was a BBC tweet a few days ago. Picture from behind the cops (the safe place to be) towards protesters, heavily cropped to not show weapons waving around on Team Rioter side. They got called out and actually changed the shot but you know darned well how much this happens.

Just the fact that our local radio news guy is so deeply invested in TDS shows you all you need to know about 'professional' media.

[Paul Emery]

Can you give me some examples of my news craft on KVMR that don't meet your standards scenes?

[Don Bessee]

She is right about that, remember 68 -

Meghan McCain claims push to 'defund the police' is helping Trump reelection bid

https://www.foxnews.com/media/meghan-mccain-defund-police-trump-campaign

;-)

[scenes]

hah. Here's a cool one.

Go on to twitter and search for 'Capital Hill Autonomous Zone'.

plus...

https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/06/welcome-to-free-capitol-hill-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-forms-around-emptied-east-precinct/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gzo2lk/an_estimated_map_of_the_capitol_hill_autonomous/

I expect that Coeur d'Alene is going to get a good solid boost in real estate values.

[fish]

Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 01:29 PM

I expect that Coeur d'Alene is going to get a good solid boost in real estate values.

I imagine that they are just thrilled.......

[fish]

Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 01:21 PM

Just the fact that our local radio news guy is so deeply invested in TDS shows you all you need to know about 'professional' media.

Well if it was your responsibility to save both the country and the planet you'd be deeply invested too.

[scenes]

Paul E.:"Can you give me some examples of my news craft on KVMR that don't meet your standards scenes?"

lol. Dude, we might as well have some Klansman writing a newsletter for BLM. They'll probably claim to have 'news craft', but their heart isn't in it. Ask questions to someone who cares. If nothing else, showing up here to spit venom does your credibility no good.

On more important matters (like any matter at all), I was trying to get a little insight from The People on this matter in Seattle. My current data point.

https://twitter.com/humvadev

A quick question occurred to me. Is there something in the water (lack of purposeful work? constant anxiety?) that might cause societies in turmoil to produce a large number of transsexuals (ie. Men in Dresses)? I was think about post-WWI Berlin for one, but are there other examples? It's of genuine interest.

[scenes]

fish: "I imagine that they are just thrilled......."

But just imagine all the new coffee shops you could open.

[Bill Tozer]

Scenes.

Couer d’ Alene has been ruined by the Californians moving up there since at least the early seventies. Made the land unaffordable as their surge drove up the price and, to add insult to injury, they arrogantly started fencing off areas. No very neighborly. Arrogant assholes and demanding, all in all, those Californians were. Treated it as their own playground, not a community. Not as bad as the Californian Libs who ruint Seattle thought. Oh, the skinheads were up at Spirit Lake and Hayden Lake, not Couer d’ Alene. Never gave folks on the Rez any problem. No white folks allowed, lol. Ok, white spouses allowed, enjoy the visit. If one wants to talk about racism and dirty cops? Take a gander at the Tribal Police. Now, they are the real deal. Always pitied the poor white boyz who hitchhiked across the rez and got dropped off without the ride going all the way through. 10 mile walks back to the highway without shoes was the usual welcoming if you got picked up by them. :)
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That was so off topic. And maybe so is this, but I liked it. Covers a bunch of current rioting topics, but not Antifa (White Punks on Dope).

CHRONICLES OF THE CRAZY TIME (1)

[scenes]

sweet.

https://www.democracynow.org/2020/6/9/headlines/protesters_establish_autonomous_zone_around_seattle_pd_building_as_police_retreat

lol. Down with those cities with (D) Mayors, (D) city councils, liberal city staff, scads of powerful identity groups and strong government unions.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Bill Tozer]

Moi @ 1:58 pm

Link
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/chronicles-of-the-crazy-time-1.php

[fish]

Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 01:52 PM

A quick question occurred to me. Is there something in the water (lack of purposeful work? constant anxiety?) that might cause societies in turmoil to produce a large number of transsexuals (ie. Men in Dresses)? I was think about post-WWI Berlin for one, but are there other examples? It's of genuine interest.

???? Purple Hair...Chick with Dicks... Submissive kneeling......??? Maybe so many true believers have "marched through the institutions" that sheer numbers increased the likelihood that their ideas would find receptive ears!

Other than that......I got nothing!

[scenes]

...and, dagnabbit, there's been not a bit of discussion about foot washing.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/949422/white-cops-protesters-wash-feet-black-religious-leaders-george-floyd/

https://au.news.yahoo.com/scenes-us-protests-police-wash-feet-community-leaders-065318936.html

We need to wash some feet locally. We'll use a Pantone chart to figure out who is the washer and who is the washee. Make a yearly event out of it as part of a Kneeler festival.

[fish]

Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 02:15 PM

Make a yearly event out of it as part of a Kneeler festival.

Discriminatory against those who are, through no fault of their own, too fat or too ancient to take a knee!

Why must you be so non-inclusive?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1245pm - Tell me what kind of "overt propaganda" did I again fall for?

[scenes]

"Why must you be so non-inclusive?"

Never think that. I was considering the concept of aides in a Kneeler ceremony. There are opportunities for an entire set of jobs here. Some form of Catechist, musicians, and naturally a Master of Ceremonies.

Now, to be fair, when I see this:

https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f86f2ad8833017d3c2bdce4970c-pi

I'm starting to think more along the lines of a Royal Baby in a line crossing ceremony.

[Bill Tozer]

Let’s see what overt propaganda the easily fooled fell for.

TOP 15: Racist Trump and Republicans Inflamed Tensions That Led to Boston Tea Party-Like Looting

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/geoffrey-dickens/2020/06/09/top-15-racist-trump-and-republicans-inflamed-tensions-led

[Bill Tozer]

Touching on the religion (cult) theme earlier.....

‘Is Black Lives Matter a religion for woke white people?’

The protesters are expressing the ‘godless creed’ of identity politics

“It’s the surrender-worship posture that comes across as creepy, to say nothing of the flat, robotic tones in which the promises are repeated.”

https://spectator.us/black-lives-matter-religion-woke-white-people/

[Gregory]

‘Is Black Lives Matter a religion for woke white people?’

No, I think it a cudgel used to help identify the non-woke white people before beating them up.

I call on all KVMR staff to get down on one knee for an entire broadcast day to confess their white privilege.

[Paul Emery]

George

Falling for Trumps unfounded assertions about Antifa and the current protests. .

[Bill Tozer]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/cornell-students-target-chemistry-professor-for-tweets-about-buffalo-cops

[scenes]

"I call on all KVMR staff to get down on one knee for an entire broadcast day to confess their white privilege."

A new radio show. Kneelin' to the Blues.

Play that funky music white boy.

nope, not a cult...nothing to see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhy8SEV71wk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQXza0t5z2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYkrQwOgp9U

I'm afraid that I'll take a bullet to my brainpan before I'll kneel. Who knows, it might come to that in a few months.

[scenes]

re: BillT@3:37PM

Nice one.

Year Zero is no longer so far fetched an idea in the US.

[Scott O]

Mary Waaaah! 12:16 - "Racist, Nazi, White Supremacist hotbed, right?"
Yeah Mary - the whole place is all a bunch of NAZIs.
Next time I'm up there I'll let them know.
Because you read an article once. Quite the expert you are.
I prefer to actually visit different parts of the country and get to know the locals.
You sound exactly like an ignorant bigoted buffoon.

[Scott O]

scenes 2:15 - "We'll use a Pantone chart to figure out who is the washer and who is the washee."
Wouldn't be good enough.
They'll have to show proof of voting for Biden.
Otherwise - "...you ain't black!"

[Walt]

Good show Emery,, now your and ANTIFA apologist?

[Scott O]

Getting back to antifa - There seems to be organization and mobilization with a core group, but a lot of them are weekend warriors. There's a riot and the cool thing to imagine yourself to be is 'antifa'.
You get to mingle with the hard core ones and throw some rocks and smash windows, but the next day it's back to smoking dope and playing video games in mom's basement.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 325pm - AG Bill Barr and I "fell" for the same "unfounded assertions". I am honored to be in that company. Your response though is totally predictable about denying the existence/role of anti-American groups hard at work to destroy our constitutional republic. That is why the Great Divide is inevitable.

[Don Bessee]

The free state of the peoples republic of antifa? It will be fun to watch this play out -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/09/protesters-take-over-city-blocks-in-seattle-blockade-streets-call-for-armed-guards/

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Ready to welcome a bunch of people who voted SF into the sewer it is up here? -

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/as-u-s-cities-crumble-demand-for-rural-and-suburban-properties-is-soaring

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Well if antifa wants to kill police its wokester bootlickers will kill a show called cops -

The announcement comes shortly after the series was pulled from the air in response to the growing civil unrest spurred by the death of George Floyd while in police custody.
The show's 33rd season premiere was scheduled for Monday.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/cops-no-plans-return-protests

;-)

[Paul Emery]

There have always been those groups George. It was only 100 years ago that in white vigilantes slaughtered 300 African Americans and destroyed their entire town. It was called the Tulsa Race Massacre. That was an Anti American act, as you put it, that has been swept away but comes to the surface when the fires are lit as they have been in the last couple if weeks.

https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/tulsa-race-massacre

[Don Bessee]

"when the fires are lit as they have been in the last couple if weeks."

Sounds like the pony tail of ignorance is envious of the arsonists.

;-)

[Paul Emery]

I was speaking poetically Don. Sorry you didn't get. It was the fires of fear and anger when black folk are reminded of their history. It was only a hundred years ago. Can you point to a situation where a white town of 300 was burned to the ground by an angry black mob?

Do you really think a white man would have been strangled by police in Minneapolis like George Floyd was? what was he accused of? passing a counterfeit $20 bill that was spotted by a clerk in a routine check at a market Do you think she would have called the cops if Floyd was a white guy?

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Posted by: Paul Emery | 09 June 2020 at 07:14 PM

Well I just thank god you're here to Whitesplain it all to us Punch! Just another example of our unearned White Privilege.

[Don Bessee]

More like waxing rhapsodic in envy oh great pony tail of ignorance.

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Those are pikers numbers just imagine what heights they could reach if they defund the LAPD, OH YA they are.

LA homicides up by 250 percent over last week, LAPD reports

https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-homicides-up-by-250-percent-over-last-week-lapd

[fish]

Posted by: Don Bessee | 09 June 2020 at 07:33 PM

Buncha California eunuchs.......

My money remains on the class of the division....the midwest and northeast!!

Chicago suffers deadliest day in 60 years with 18 murders...

21 Shot over Weekend in St. Louis...

7 people shot within 10 minutes in separate Brooklyn incidents...

[Don Bessee]

Note to the new red guard Delroy Murdoc is black -

The looting and riots that roared out of the George Floyd protests were surprising. The left’s celebration of this violence is shocking.

What follows are not the reckless rants of basement-dwelling, boxer-short-clad, baby Bolsheviks. Rather these are the words and actions of elected and appointed Democratic officials, top activists, and their comrades in the liberal establishment media.

These leading leftists encouraged, enabled and empowered people who decided to riot after they saw four Minneapolis cops go low as one officer knelt on Floyd’s neck for nearly nine minutes and killed him on Memorial Day, while the other cops did nothing to stop the killing. All four now-fired officers face charges of second-degree murder or aiding and abetting second-degree murder.

HUNDREDS MOURN DAVID DORN, RETIRED ST. LOUIS POLICE CAPTAIN KILLED IN LOOTING

“A once in a lifetime opportunity,” is how Democratic Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey described the subsequent rioting. “Yes, America is burning, but that’s how forests grow.”

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/george-floyd-democrats-police-deroy-murdock

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Check out the quotes from the usual suspects in that link!

;-)

[Don Bessee]

DOH!! should have cut and pasted his name sorry Deroy!

;-)

[rlcrabb]

Northern Idaho gets all the bad press on militias and survivalists, but it stretches all the way into the Washington back country. When I was stealing...I mean, repatriating vehicles for the banks, we had a few jobs around Okanogan and Omak. It was common courtesy to stop at the local cop shop to let them know we were professional thieves.' not just the usual scum.
On one such trip we talked to the officer on night shift about the gun crazies out in the woods.
"Yeah, you hear gunfire up there all the time. We leave them alone unless they come into town and get drunk. We take their guns and let them sleep it off.In the morning they're gone."
We did tend to be nervous after that, but we drove in, grabbed a pick up and scooted back to Yakima. The guy never woke up.

[Gregory]

punch 714pm

"Do you really think a white man would have been strangled by police in Minneapolis like George Floyd was?"

A 6'6" heavily muscled white prison rat resisting arrest? Are you claiming carotid holds aren't used as attitude adjustments for big white assholes?

"what was he accused of? passing a counterfeit $20 bill that was spotted by a clerk in a routine check at a market Do you think she would have called the cops if Floyd was a white guy?"

Damn straight they would.

[Bill Tozer]

Slap Happy, “Do you think she would have called the cops if Floyd was a white guy?“

Who knows. Everytime a counterfeit bill is passed in this neck of the woods it makes the local Police Blotter. Yes, the clerk called and describes a man disoriented (loaded), dropping things from his pocket, who just a passed fake bill(s). That is not why George died. Like the Freddie Grey (?) case where the fat man died for selling individual cigs and CD’s in front of a store. The store called 911 (again) on him. What, blame the store clerk? The police get a call in Minneapolis. What, you want the police not to respond when someone calls 911? Don’t work that way. Blame the caller? Come on Slappy, blame the caller or say she is a racist? Get a grip on yourself.

Bottomline: Nobody here or anywhere I have seen, heard, or read (again, nobody anywhere) has defended that cop’s actions. It’s a non-issue. It happened. The cop will go to trial under murder charges. Right now, the prosecution thinks he will get a conviction on 2nd Degree murder. 1st degree murder might be a bar too high. Either way, they ain’t going to ever let him out. And everyone assumes George was killed because and only because he was black. It you got a bad cop, don’t matter what skin color the deceased is or was. Gotta wait to see what comes out in trial.

What I don’t buy is this BS mantra I hear that black mothers across the land are afraid that their kids will be shot by the police walking home from school. That simply does not happen. I call bullshit. Oh, black mothers are afraid from their kids safety in walking home from school in crime infested neighborhoods and communities for sure, but it is out of fear of gangs, dope dealers, and fucked up in the head people, not the police.

What happened to George Whatzername is a rare occurrence. According to the Wa Post, 18 times a year (last two years average, 19 and 17). We do not know the circumstances, just the totals. Of that 18, ten were black. Of that ten, 9 were male. So, of the thousands upon thousands of police interactions with their communities, an unarmed black male was killed 9 times. Get that number down to 5, and it becomes statistically insignificant. And the chances of a cop being killed on duty is 18 fold the number of police on citizen deaths.

Black mothers afraid their children will get shot by police walking to school? Yes, fear is an evil and horrible thread. So is envy. Worse that stealing.

Oh, I believe strongly Antifa is real. Project Veritas tapes are pretty good, but I have only seen one. I did not post this before because Dr. Rebane covered it in his post on the subject quite well.
Comes with ten links.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/infiltrating-antifa.php

[Scott O]

Oh, Emery! 7:14 - Thanks for displaying your profound ignorance.
As in: Paul Emery is simply ignorant.
Numero uno - "Do you think she would have called the cops if Floyd was a white guy?"
Oh no, Paul - white folk can pass bogus bills at their leisure and no one would ever think of calling the cops.
Say - why don't you try it some time, Paul? You would be quickly disabused of your position.
Numero two-o - "Do you really think a white man would have been strangled by police in Minneapolis like George Floyd was?" By THAT cop? Hard to tell. Sometimes cops just blow innocent white folks' brains out. Sometimes the white suspect is just "found unresponsive".
The problem is rooting out bad cops and holding them responsible for their misdeeds.
The cops were fired instantly. The cop that killed Floyd was charged as soon as the autopsy was complete. More charges are pending. There will be accountability. There is nothing to protest. Nothing. If you want to go back a hundred years and start bitching, there is one hell of a lot more than just one town and 300 people to account for.
Not that Paul Emery would know.
The folks rioting and burning and looting are criminals. They have no complaint.
None.
You soy-boys can bow to the thugs, but don't expect the rest of the country to.
I would suggest that everybody better just calm down and get back to their normal business. Pushing this further will result in something you leftys will be damned sorry to see.

[Walt]

Give it a try Emery,, see what happens.
Try one of your Obamabucks.

[Scott O]

crabb 8:38 - "Yeah, you hear gunfire up there all the time. We leave them alone unless they come into town and get drunk. We take their guns and let them sleep it off.In the morning they're gone."
Has nothing to do with NAZIs, white supremacists, survivalists - just drunken yahoos in the woods. You can find them all over the planet.
Including Nevada County.
The good folks of N Idaho are damned tired of left wing no-nothings smearing them with lurid tales they spread to sell newspapers.
You might just as well stereotype ALL blacks in big cities as lazy, drug-addled, sex crazed, good for nothings.
See how that works?

[Scott O]

Say - maybe this is what ALL folks in the north west are like?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-naacp-leader-rachel-dolezal-agrees-plea-deal-welfare-fraud-n991566

[scenes]

Well....seems reasonable to me.

https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/the-demands-of-the-collective-black-voices-at-free-capitol-hill-to-the-government-of-seattle-ddaee51d3e47

[Bill Tozer]

Scott
Rachel is from Montana, she don’t count...unless she is from Western Montana. :).

[Scott O]

Bill - She was actually living in CDA Idaho for a spell.
Just another one of those horrible white supremacists.
And don't even start with the stories from the rez.
Drunken shootem-ups are a match for the drunken white boys.
But Mary Waaaah! read some article and knows better.

[Scott O]

scenes 10:42 - They are being reasonable!
"We demand that not the City government, nor the State government, but that the Federal government launch a full-scale investigation into past and current cases of police brutality in Seattle and Washington, as well as the re-opening of all closed cases reported to the Office of Police Accountability."
Apparently these morons are so far gone they have no clue that they are asking for Trump and Barr to take over investigating their city's police.

[fish]

Posted by: scenes | 09 June 2020 at 10:42 PM

Well....seems reasonable to me.

Don’t know......might be fun. See how well inner city denizens and their “minders” can behave themselves. Frankly I wouldn’t mind fewer cops! Plus it’ll be interesting to see how much graft the socialists can extract and how long it takes for them to be worse than the existing set of pols. Probably not long at all.

Not handing over my guns though guys......!

Sorry not happening.

[scenes]

and the beat goes on.

https://twitter.com/seattledu?lang=en

https://twitter.com/IAF__FAI

homemade news show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IVKynOnRwM

[rlcrabb]

Scotty 9:22 - Gee, thanks for giving me a lesson in stereotyping. I never would have figured it out.

[fish]

Posted by: scenes | 10 June 2020 at 07:50 AM

Wonder how long they can go before somebody gets "Betty Van Pattered"?

[Bill Tozer]

Damn homeless. Is this anyway to start a revolution?

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Screen-Shot-2020-06-10-at-12.19.45-PM.png

[Gregory]

crabby 814am

Your nose needs to be rubbed in it from time to time.

[Bill Tozer]

That thug who kicked man in head after he was already knocked out during protest? Police made an arrest — and suspect is only 14.
'Who raised this little monster?'

https://www.theblaze.com/news/police-arrest-thug-kicked-head?
—————-
White House coronavirus task force tells governors to prepare for spike in cases from ​​George Floyd protests, says 70 testing sites have been destroyed
“Surprise, surprise“

https://www.theblaze.com/news/coronavirus-spike-george-floyd-protests?

[fish]

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 10 June 2020 at 10:04 AM

'Who raised this little monster?'

Undoubtedly the product of progressive child rearing......

[Bill Tozer]

At this point in time, Antifa and BLM are a distinction without a difference. Seattle:

“For the past week, Black Lives Matter and Antifa-affiliated activists have engaged in a pitched battle with Seattle police officers and National Guard soldiers in the neighborhood, with the heaviest conflict occurring at the intersection of 11th and Pike, where law enforcement had constructed a barricade to defend the Seattle Police East Precinct building. Hoping to break through the barricade, protesters attacked officers with bricks, bottles, rocks, and improvised explosive devices, sending some officers to the hospital. At the same time, activists circulated videos of the conflict and accused the police of brutality, demanding that the city cease using teargas and other anti-riot techniques.

Then, in a stunning turn of events, the City of Seattle made the decision to abandon the East Precinct and surrender the neighborhood to the protesters. “This is an exercise in trust and de-escalation,” explained Chief Carmen Best. Officers and National Guardsmen emptied out the facility, boarded it up, and retreated. Immediately afterward, Black Lives Matter protesters, Antifa black shirts, and armed members of the hard-Left John Brown Gun Club seized control of the neighborhood, moved the barricades into a defensive position, and declared it the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone—even putting up a cardboard sign at the barricades declaring “you are now leaving the USA.”....

“The city government has not developed a strategic response to the takeover of Capitol Hill. According to one Seattle police officer with knowledge of internal deliberations, the city’s “leadership is in chaos” and “the mayor has made the decision to let a mob of 1,000 people dictate public safety policy for a city of 750,000.” The officer said that Chief Best had dispatched high-ranking police officials to the autonomous zone to establish a line of communication, but the officials were immediately sent away by armed paramilitaries at the barricades. “The tide of public opinion is on the side of the activists and they’re pushing the envelope as far as they can,” said the officer. “It’s not hyperbolic to say the endgame is anarchy.”

https://www.city-journal.org/antifa-seattle-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone

Ban tear gas and other anti-riot techniques!! We have a right to housing and rioting.

[rlcrabb]

Well, Greg, while we're rubbing noses, the so-called president is doing his best to convince the world he is the most blatant stereotypical bigot who ever occupied the White House, and that's really saying something. Scheduling his rally on Juneteenth in Tulsa is about as in-your-face racist as you can get without donning a pointy white hat.
At least it's a distraction from his latest conspiracy theory that the old guy in Buffalo was a set up and faked to make him look bad.
Even a mad dog general knows rabies when he sees it.
You'd think he might be able to find the high ground considering how the left has descended into a psychotic mob, ready to dismantle capitalism and storm the Bastille.
But no, he'll either end up headless like Louis, or fight his way out of Washington behind his palace guards to set up a government in exile in Brazil or Turkey.
I don't know about you knuckleheads, but I'm signing up with Elon Musk for a seat on the starship to Mars. It's the only sane thing to do.

[Bill Tozer]

“I don't know about you knuckleheads, but I'm signing up with Elon Musk for a seat on the starship to Mars. It's the only sane thing to do.“

RL, you do realize it’s a one way ticket, don’t you?. Of course you do. If you have that kind of money to blow for a ticket to Mars, then AB5 should be a non issue to you, Mr. Moneybags. Then again, Mars may not accept entry to the likes of you. Besides, did you know the surface of Mars is heating up? It’s due to all the plastic straws that us knuckleheads load up and drive by the truckload to the Bay Area (or Fort Bragg) and toss in the ocean.

[fish]

Posted by: rlcrabb | 11 June 2020 at 10:15 AM

You'd think he might be able to find the high ground considering how the left has descended into a psychotic mob, ready to dismantle capitalism and storm the Bastille.

Agree....his worst enemy is his own big mouth.....

Still....he really was the only option at the time.

[Gregory]

Crabby 1015am

"You'd think he might be able to find the high ground considering how the left has descended into a psychotic mob, ready to dismantle capitalism and storm the Bastille."

Reclaiming the Emancipation Proclamation as a GOP celebration on Juneteenth might be a good start.

In the meantime, the "so-called president" is in the orifice because he won an election fair and square, without Putin's help. Right?

[Gregory]

fish 1031

"Still....he really was the only option at the time."

And he remains the only real option, assuming Biden is propped up and actually gets the Dem's nomination.

I will be voting for Jo Jorgensen despite her flaws.

[Don Bessee]

How long will they let it go on? -

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-law-enforcement-experts-urges-police-to-take-back-chaz-before-its-too-late

;-)

[Don Bessee]

How far will it go? -

https://www.foxnews.com/us/college-apologizes-for-letting-police-use-bathrooms

;-)

[rlcrabb]

I'm not disputing the election, just the bizarre behavior that followed it. In any rational world he would have carted off to the funny farm months ago. I've always believed Republicans would go off the deep end at some point, but I thought they'd go for someone less threatening, like Larry the Cable Guy.
Still, reality being what it is, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Trump gets reelected. The Democrats have a bad habit of alienating voters just at the wrong time.

[scenes]

" I've always believed Republicans would go off the deep end at some point, "

How many hundreds of hours of anti-Trump video would you like to see?

Seriously, dig a little deeper into your attitudes. Any chance you are accusing others of the faults in yourself?

When the evil Republicans start burning down cities, looting stores, instantly firing people for wrongthink on social media, etc. you'll start making more sense.

[Gregory]

Crabby 1257pm

In a rational world, Trump, AFTER ELECTION, would have been treated as the President. Given the powers granted him by the Constitution.

Do we all remember your 'toon showing the awful Stephen Miller as an even more awful little Joe Goebbels?

After three years, Trump's order has been upheld as lawful.

[Don Bessee]

On a day like today a little laughing is a good thing -

Former Arizona police officer brings down the house on 'The Deplorables' comedy tour

https://www.foxnews.com/media/deplorables-comedy-brandon-tatum

;-)

[Gregory]

here's the latest installment on the muslim ban hysteria:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/court-orders-dismissal-trump-muslim-155652664.html

Yes, the lawfully elected President does have wide authority to control our borders.