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10 August 2020

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Rovert Cross

It is hard to have moral (Christian) leadership from the likes of Jerry Falwell Jr., Jimmy Swaggart, and a host of other pseudo Christians whose actions belie their supposed beliefs. Does a call for moral leadership include the immoral Donald Trump? Can one dismiss the numerous accusations by multiple women against Trump? All they all liars as he claims or is he the liar? Is his reputation for fraudulent activities like the trump foundation and Trump University also easily dismissed as fake news. What about adultery with porn stars and others and the hush money payments..fake news and lies? It seems to me that one cannot call for moral leadership and support trump at the same time. They are mutually exclusive.

fish

Posted by: Wine Aunt | 10 August 2020 at 11:18 AM


That is such a Wine Aunt thing to say……so retro too! Well done!

Scott O

Looks like poor Booby X didn't even read or understand the whole message.
Rev Prout was not asking us to look to other humans for moral guidance.
I have yet to see a ballot with Jesus of Nazareth running for office. Until then we have to pick a human.
Romans 3:23 - "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"

Robert Cross

Looks like scotty-o can't understand more than a couple of sentences at a time. My response was in reference to the next to last paragraph which started with "The problem today is not that government and its leaders have lost their way". My statement was a rebuttal to that paragraph. For scotty-o and others who don't get it, my point is that government and it's leaders have lost there way as the reference to trump indicates. I agree with the statement that "it is the Church, its leaders and its people, which has become complacent and ineffective in providing clear moral guidance in the society." as the reference to Fallwell and Swaggert attest as some of the more recent (Fallwell) and famous (Swaggart) failures among religious leaders.

Bob Hobert

Excellent post. Thank you.

Scott O

Booby X - "For scotty-o and others who don't get it, my point is that government and it's leaders have lost there way as the reference to trump indicates."
Rev Prout made no 'reference' to Trump, Falwell or Swaggart. You did, Booby.
Here is what he actually wrote - "it is the Church, its leaders and its people, which has become complacent and ineffective in providing clear moral guidance in the society."
Falwwell and Swaggart are not the church and I don't know anyone who considers them to be leaders.
I believe (and Dan can correct me if I'm wrong) when he refers to the 'Church' he is referring to a broad and general decline in moral rigor in adhearing to Biblical principles. The Roman Catholic Church is currently under the Papacy of a man who spends most of his time spouting left-wing propaganda and who has shown himself to be worthless as a guide for the millions of Chinese who were hoping he would help them against their cruel rulers.
Other large 'mainstream' protestant denominations in our country are shedding members left and right. Due largely to the watered-down 'Bible-Light' sorta-Christianish bable they now spew.
There are plenty of names of religious leaders from all walks of religion you could name, but that's beside the point. The public has elected or supported these 'leaders'. Because this same public doesn't want any leaders that will tell them to straighten up and act correctly. Rev Prout may or may not like Trump, but it doesn't enter into the conversation. What he is talking about started before Trump and will (sadly) continue on after him.

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