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15 September 2020

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D

We all know by now that not everything on an election platform comes to pass. Just ask the current president.

"Under Trump's Watch, America's National Debt Has Increased by $6.6 Trillion". How did that platform wish go?

https://www.newsweek.com/under-trumps-watch-americas-national-debt-has-increased-66-trillion-1521418

Scott O

D(uh) 12:10 - "Under Trump's Watch, America's National Debt Has Increased by $6.6 Trillion". How did that platform wish go?"
Wonderful.
Another American citizen completely ignorant of how our fed govt works.
Maybe Duh can let us know what Trump was supposed to do differently?
66 trillion (as bad as it is) is nothing compared to the coming train wreck.
But of course once the Dems get control any one worrying about the debt will be ignored.

Scott O

re "*Declare the support for the Rights of BLM, Multi-gender, and preferential treatment for gays wanting to immigrate to America. (Pg 63)"
If they just let anyone and everyone wander in, how can we give preferential treatment for people (claiming) to be gay?
Do they have to pass a 'gay test' and then we send them a plane ticket?
I don't care if any of this becomes law - the fact that the Dems are openly declaring this to be their plan is revolting.
They truly want to destroy our nation.

scenes

re: original post

No problemo, just call everything an 'investment' and you're good to go.

Given a decent chance that the Blue Mob can crush traditional America over time, demographics is a powerful thing after all, you can pretty well count on a lot of that stuff making it into law.

Not that law matters all that much, like N. Eitingon said to P. Sudoplatov in jail after the post-Stalin purge, "Laws and power struggles are incompatible".

Likely result? The long awaited currency collapse, either fast or slow. Coming up, where you live matters the most, but asset protection is a close second. Foreign exchange controls will probably add a wrinkle. It's super hard to tell right now how to stay clear of the maelstrom

Don Bessee

Twice in to days, hmmmmm, must be the reality that slipped out -

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/15/joe-biden-pitches-harris-biden-administration-to-florida-veterans/

;-)

D

Scott-Dumber, During the 2016 presidential campaign, Republican candidate Donald Trump promised he would eliminate the nation’s debt in eight years. Instead, his budgets would add $8.3 trillion during that time. It would increase the U.S. debt to $28.5 trillion at the end of eight years, according to Trump's budget estimates.
This figure will probably be higher once the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic is realized. The Congressional Budget Office predicted that the pandemic would raise the FY 2021 deficit to $2.1 trillion. The FY 2020 deficit will be $3.7 trillion.

scenes

Joey "Fingers" Biden speaks:

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1305978155572760576

Paul Emery

And what is the Republican platform George?

The Estonian Fox

George, I think that you missed this on pg 65, under their childcare paragraph:

"We recognize that learning starts at birth, and we will supply a father to provide guidance and support for each family, to alleviate the exorbitant costs of a safe, quality child."

Sounds like the problem is halfway solved under that part of the platform.

OK, so maybe I misread that paragraph.

Paul Emery

D

That is a typical lie by Trump . Sure, promise a balanced when you run for office. cut taxes for the millionaires then run up over 6.6 Trillion debt so far in his first four years.

https://www.newsweek.com/under-trumps-watch-americas-national-debt-has-increased-66-trillion-1521418

Don Bessee

Couldn't even get right with cliff notes -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/15/watch-joe-biden-confuses-iraq-iran-while-lamenting-war-dead/

;-)

Scott O

Duh 1:56 - Nice try. Trump can only promise to try and lower the debt. Congress passes the actual budget. Trump's proposed budgets never were passed into law. Trump can either sign it or we go into the govt shut down circus where the news media always blames the Rs.
Perhaps Duh can can take some basic American govt civics classes and learn something. The president is not a dictator.
And we notice Duh still hasn't offered his plan for what Trump should have done.
Just another ignorant lefty that comes by to throw rocks.
We notice Duh never said a word about the debt when Obama was pres.
Hmmmm - didn't Obama promise to lower the debt?
Don't worry - it doesn't matter who runs the fed govt.
The spending has been out of control for decades and with all the entitlements locked in and the interest we're going to be facing to entice anyone to buy our debt our debt will go to the moon pretty soon and the amount of debt folks bitch about now will seem like peanuts.

Scott O

Paul 3:41 - "cut taxes for the millionaires..."
Paul - the actual amount of money taken in by the IRS went up after the tax cuts. Our govt doesn't run on rates, it runs on dollars.

Scott O

Paul 3:33 - "And what is the Republican platform George?"
Paul, the subject of the post is the platform you are promising to vote for. Can you stay on topic?
I'm not surprised that Paul suddenly wants to talk about something else.
He can't even begin to defend his own side.
Sad.

George Rebane

PaulE 333pm - Am I to understand that you cannot find the 2020 Republican Party platform? I've already informed readers (who read and have memories) that the GOP platform is unchanged from 2016, so that would give you a hint. Give it a try and do some online research. If you can't find it in the first 15 seconds, let me know and I'll post the URL for you.

Bill Tozer

Yep, it’s the same crowd that had a fit when we had our last spending (budget) shutdown. OMG, don’t your care about the Forest Service lady in Nevada City, Bill? No, but thanks for asking.
——————
-Create a U.S. Agency for Global Media “to ensure that only accurate information is reported in the news or on the internet.”

Lol. One things monopolies hate is competition. Wonder who our arbitrators of Truth will be? Bet it’s the same bunch when quoting Biden or someone word for word from an interview a couple days ago as “hate speech”, or “against the community standards.”
———-
-$70 trillion Green New Deal, where the USA would be “net-zero greenhouse gas by 2050.”

70 trillion? Must be a typo. Forgiveness of college debt? That ain’t cheap.

-Eliminate border walls and Immigration Enforcement (Pg 62, 64 & 65)

My, that sounds like a winner. What possibility could go wrong?

Paul Emery

This is what I found George

“RESOLVED, That the Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention.”

No platform for 2020. Inheriting the 2016 was just an afterthought.


https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/08/25/the-2020-republican-party-platform-letat-cest-moi/

Paul Emery

Actually George, the Resolution cited above also contained this which is a reasonable response to your critique of the Dem platform.

"“All platforms are snapshots of the historical contexts in which they are born, and parties abide by their policy priorities, rather than their political rhetoric.”"


https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/08/25/the-2020-republican-party-platform-letat-cest-moi/

Paul Emery

Here's a quote from Trump in the cited link above. this is what you support George. How does that match with the Constitution which cites THREE equal branches of government?

“When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total and that’s the way it’s got to be…It’s total.”

Robert Cross

Speaking of evil: "Scientific American" had this to say, "Scientific American has never endorsed a Presidential candidate in its 175 year history. This year we are compelled to do so. We do not do this lightly." the statement went on to say that Donald Trump's rejection of facts and evidence "had badly damaged the U.S. and its people." They cited Trump's "dishonesty and inept response to the Covid-19 pandemic", his attacks on "environmental protections, medical care, and the researchers and public science agencies that help this country prepare for its greatest challenges...We couldn't all of our objections to his record in two print pages." Their statement finished with Biden "is the clear choice when you compare the candidates on science, the environment, and other research related concerns."

As we all know "Scientific American" is a pretty shabby publication especially when compared to such literary masterpieces as Breitbart.

Scott O

Booby X 4:48 - Actually, the SA has become a pretty shabby publication. A shadow of its former self.
Since they claim to be scientific, it's notable they offer absolutely no proof of their left-wing BS.
Let's go back to the January 2020 issue and see what those folks had to say about what should be done to keep America free from a pandemic that has ravaged every single industrialized nation.
Oh - that's right.
They didn't have a fricken clue.
Just another bunch of rock throwers.
So scientific.
I'm sure Biden knows how to put the wheels back on the canoe and get the waffle iron out of the dog house.

Scott O

Paul 4:34 - So Paul is going to support a platform he can't even begin to defend.
Sad.

Paul Emery

I don't care about supporting the Dem platform because I am not a Dem. I support an alternative to Trump because I believe he is a crook and is mentally ill and a dangerous man to be on control of our country. I support Biden because he's the only option there is to the deranged nut case we have win power right now.

Bill Tozer

Well Ben and Paul Emerys, it don’t matter one lick who you vote for. This is CA andBiden will carry the State. Both of you are well acquainted with throwing your vote away, thus it’s just another throw away issue. My vote don’t count either in CA.

So, if you don’t vote at all or vote for Biden or vote for Trump or even a third party candidate no one ever heard of before, it’s all throw away ballots on the national scene.

This isn’t really about the Dem Platform, is it? And never was.

scenes

"This is CA andBiden will carry the State. "

Given that California is a single party state, and that practically every law and dollar spent that actually involves your life in any way is via the state, I guess that everything is going swimmingly for the local Blue Mob.

It's the best of all possible worlds in California. Honest government, well spent money, health care for everyone, free college, honest public unions, crystal clear drinking water and reliable power, business friendly environment, low COVID numbers. Prettty darned amazing.

Almost as good as New York.

Scotto: "Actually, the SA has become a pretty shabby publication. A shadow of its former self."

Just for fun, go to their website and search for 'Trump' in stories over the last four years. It's like reading Teen Vogue for nerds. I'm afraid they've gone down the same road as modern universities. 10% reasonable criticisms (like you'd see for any administration), 90% pearl-clutching Paul-style histrionics. Crazy does as crazy is.

scenes

Paul, escaping from the sandbox ghetto and losing track of George's topic sez: "I support an alternative to Trump because I believe he is a crook and is mentally ill...and some other stuff".

Can't see it kiddo. Maybe you are overreacting, you 'spose? Talk about 'Red Scares'.

'Trump Scares'. ooooOOOOOOoooooOOOoooo He's in the closet, better leave the lights on.

If Trump was a real problem, you'd spend an iota or two of your time bitching about policies, not polls and tweets. You got nothin'.

Don Bessee

Take it from experts -

Refugees from socialist countries warn Americans: Don't let it happen here

Immigrants who settled in the U.S. say recent political shifts here are starting to remind them of what they left behind

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/refugees-from-socialism-warn-americans-dont-let-it-happen-here

;-)

Don Bessee

Existential threat to our values is the whats her name and creepy grampa joe ticket -

A Catholic group is launching a multi-million dollar effort to educate Catholic voters in key battleground states about Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s “anti-Catholic record and policy agenda” ahead of the general election in November.

CatholicVote, a national Catholic political advocacy group, on Tuesday announced the $9.7 million campaign to discourage Catholics from voting for Biden. The organization is producing an “in-depth report on Biden’s record on issues Catholics care about,” including a shortened “voter guide” version, that it plans to send to five million Catholic voters. The effort will also kick off with a $350,000 digital ad buy in the swing states of Pennsylvania and Michigan.

The group’s new effort, which involves full-time staff in six states and thousands of volunteers, will reach voters through digital advertising, parish-by-parish canvassing, direct mail, and “get out the vote” efforts in six states.

“Joe Biden’s record makes clear he will not protect our Catholic values or defend our way of life. For Catholics who cherish the Faith and their freedom to live it, a Biden presidency represents an existential threat,” said Brian Burch, president of CatholicVote

https://www.yahoo.com/news/catholic-group-launches-9-7-183921189.html

;-)

Scott O

Pathetic Paul - "...and a dangerous man to be on control of our country."
Well, let's see - the Russian hoax was a nothing, Trump hasn't started any wars, record employment ever for non-whites - yep pretty dangerous, Paul!
Most of Paul's fears are just fear.
Instead, he's throwing his support to a platform he claims he'll vote for but can't support.
And a senile old man who can't carry on a normal conversation without stumbling over his words and slurring his speech.
Hey Paul, what about that 4hr debate with your champion and Trump?
Biden would fall asleep after 40 minutes and start snoring.
And Paul wants him as pres.
Sad.

Scott O

George's topic in this post is the Dem platform.
Not one single lefty has even tried to defend it.
Instead we get what-abouts and 'don't worry - it's only their platform'.
My, my - you leftys must be so proud to vote for folks whose ideas you can't even start to defend.
As many faults as Trump has, at least he has done many things that were correct and good for our country and I can defend them.
You left wing gutless weenies show up here and tell us you're voting for something you can't even begin to support.
Sad.

Don Bessee

Hmmmmm, i wonder if there some connectivity here?? -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/15/voters-experienced-violent-protests-more-likely-choose-trump/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/15/demand-for-guns-overwhelming-fbi-background-check-system/

;-)

Gregory

punchy 533pm

"I support an alternative to Trump because I believe he is a crook and is mentally ill and a dangerous man to be on control of our country."

I believe your vote in California doesn't matter one bit.
I believe even more that I need a drink. I got the drink I wanted.

"I support Biden because he's the only option there is to the deranged nut case we have win power right now."
That doesn't explain why you keep showing up here to act like a deranged nutcase throwing punches.

robert Cross

Scotto-5:17 --you say "SA has become a pretty shabby publication. A shadow of its former self." prove it Scooter. wheres your link? where is your proof? or are you just blowing out your ass as usual?

George Rebane

ScottO 517pm & 701pm - You nailed it on both counts Scott. I subscribed to SA for several decades until it became a political rag. For a while it tried to pretend otherwise, not any more. Yes, Breitbart in its league is true to its purpose, which is more than SA can say for itself.

When your audience is composed mostly of people with 3-digit IQs, then it's embarrassing to attempt a defense of the Dem platform. The Dems main hope is in their legion of gimmes and the socially sensitive suburbians who neither think nor pay attention.

George Rebane

Proof that SA is now a political and social activist rag that still hides under a few one-sided science issues.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-cant-allow-the-cdc-to-be-tainted-by-politics/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-new-arctic-is-emerging-thanks-to-climate-change/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/republican-convention-ignored-climate-threat-but-americans-attitudes-are-shifting/

Bill Tozer

robert Cross

I believe Russ Steele previously brought up SA’s decline down into the swamp gas Woke Wasteland to our attention. SA is a blood vessel now, a shell of its former self. It’s there nothing Orange Man Bad cannot do? Many comments of the topic, with links from what SA was saying and doing and not using the scientific method. Think George Rebane joined in with his comments on the Ghost of SA.

The good news is that Scary Orange Man does not have to smoke ‘em out anymore. They just come crawling out on their own. Some come running out. TDS is a modern day mass psycho marvel. SA has gone the way of Life Magazine. Like watching Joe Lewis box bears when he got over the hill or Jesse Owens race horses at county fairs. Sad.

You snooze, you lose....loser. That conservation happened without you. Chop, chop, off with ye head.

Don Bessee

Starting to sound like this is going to be the season of interim reports, Durham and now this. Can we say Sept. surprises?

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/15/gop-senator-interim-report-on-biden-ukraine-probe-coming-in-about-a-week/

;-)

Bill Tozer

My, my Bobbie. Check this out. Hot off the press. Good timing, eh? Don’t ask, you don’t get. You asked...in a rather uncivil tone. But you asked for it...

WALSH: The ‘Party Of Science’ Is Waging A War On Science

“Leaving aside the fact that the pejorative “climate arsonist” makes even less sense than “climate denier,” Biden here is accusing his political opponent of causing, or at least failing to prevent, fires, floods, and hurricanes. In no uncertain terms, he says that re-electing Donald Trump will mean that your entire neighborhood might be swept away in a superstorm, drowned in floods, or incinerated (hopefully not all at once).

Joe Biden, patron saint of science, apparently believes that there is some sort of physical mechanism by which the President of the United States can actually cause hurricanes to materialize and flood waters to rise. He is not talking about humans merely contributing in some partial way to gradual changes in climate over the course of many decades and centuries. Rather, he is suggesting that one single human on Earth today can, through his own exertions, have a material impact on global weather conditions. When Biden and his supporters speak of “science,” this is what they mean.

But at least Biden’s theory of climate change is slightly less crazy than Nancy Pelosi’s, who recently speculated that wild fires happen because “Mother Earth is angry, she is telling us… the climate crisis is real.” The idea that natural disasters are the result of a displeased Earth goddess may have passed for science among ancient tribes in the year 6,000 BC, but it is a bit outmoded in the modern age. Yet this, again, is what we get from the Party of Science.

Perhaps the situation can be summarized this way: the side of the political aisle that talks the most about science, and most trumpets its own commitment to the methods of science, also believes that it’s possible that a man who is pregnant with a non-human fetus might die in a hurricane caused by the president. That is all that needs to be said to establish that the Party of Science has rather failed to live up to its assumed name.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-the-party-of-science-is-waging-a-war-on-science

George Rebane

Gentlemen - this commentary is about the Dem 2020 platform. You are posting comments here that belong under Scattershots.

Scott O

Booby X 7:51 - "or are you just blowing out your ass as usual?"
"...as usual?"
Odd.
Booby X has never challenged me factually.
The SA hangs itself with its own words. The scientific method is to carefully back up all theories and assertions with a carefully cataloged list of verifiable facts.
On the subject of endorsing Biden, it has not done so.
They are entitled to their opinion as any editorial in a magazine will do.
Scientific?
Just straight out TDS.
And BTW, Booby - the topic is the Dem platform. We all notice you're avoiding it like the plague.
Sad.

Gregory

Science!

htps://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2020-9-11-scientific-american-goes-anti-science

Worth reading.

George Rebane

Apologies for this tardy assessment. According to my lights, the Dem 2020 platform is the most anti-American and therefore the most evil political platform that I have seen in my lifetime. It is so obviously evil and ludicrous that no liberal wants to debate or defend any of its planks. I thought these sentiments were obvious from my intro, but just to make sure, I include them here.

scenes

"no liberal wants to debate or defend any of its planks."

That's because no liberals 'round these parts, even the 'I didn't vote him the second time' variety, ever defend or justify anything at all. It's all polls and 'outrageous' tweets from you-know-who all the time.

Dunno if it's laziness, nihilism, or ignorance.

I've made the point before that given the absolute deadlock the Blue Mob has on the State of California, they could always just build their vision of the US here. There's absolutely no reason you couldn't radically increase state income tax, make college free, make healthcare free, make everyone drive electric cars, shutdown all of the power plants and replace them with magic, provide a guaranteed minimum income. It's all possible.

Of course, everyone knows the system would collapse and anyone with even a little money would leave. The Blue Mob vision of socialism is like Soviet communism, it only works if the entire country or world gets to enjoy the fruits of government...that why, unlike Trump's Wall, the Berlin Wall was built to hold people *in*.

scenes

Just to bump this post ahead of the sandbox ghetto, it'd be fun for one of the Blue Mafia to pick one of the notions on the (D) list in George's post, actually be for it, and say why.

Just sayin'. You might pick up a few Blue votes if you are convincing enough.

George Rebane

scenes 226pm - A worthy invitation indeed (echoing Scott's 701pm). On the same effort, I posted my 507pm invitation to PaulE in the new Sandbox. For completeness, I repost it here -

PaulE - can you take a cut at bringing together the Dem 2020 platform with an America that anyone (including all today's enthusiastic lefties) would wish to live in? Those whose schooling has not been intellectually stunted would be in dire straits if they attempted to connect those dots. This truth, of course, explains why everyone from the national Dems to our local lefties don't want to touch that bag of shit of a platform with a ten-foot pole. Best to just keep bashing Trump and maintaining their TDS.

Bill Tozer

The Dem Platform: Our Enlightened Betters always find a way to make a bad situation worse AND always ending up hurting the po folk.

https://www.facebook.com/TakeBackThisCountry/photos/a.1032125603520777/3269975363069112/

Bill Tozer

‘Democrats latest awful idea: adding new states to lock in Senate control forever’

https://nypost.com/2020/09/18/democrats-want-to-add-new-states-to-lock-in-senate-control-forever/

George Rebane

re BillT 847am - One party control is the Marxist teaching, and everywhere you look, tyranny was always preceded by one party governance. In our Union we have California leading the way to implement that teaching. This necessary course of revolutionary action is explained in greater detail by Yoram Hazony in his must-read essay, 'The Challenge of Marxism'.
https://quillette.com/2020/08/16/the-challenge-of-marxism/

Don Bessee

Well that team of bernie bros and aoc clones who drew up the platform didn't expect this response from the people of color -

Only about 25 percent of Latinos identify with Joe Biden’s progressive identity politics, while more than 60 percent of Latinos favor Donald Trump’s populist, pro-American pitch, according to a September 18 report in the New York Times.

The study asked voters and focus group for their views on “a dog-whistle message lifted from Republican talking points … [about] ‘illegal immigration from places overrun with drugs and criminal gangs’ and called for ‘fully funding the police, so our communities are not threatened by people who refuse to follow our laws,’” the authors wrote in their September 18 op-ed.

The shocked authors reported, “Almost three out of five white respondents judged the message convincing. More surprising, exactly the same percentage of African-Americans agreed, as did an even higher percentage of Latinos.”

The political problem for Biden’s progressive allies is that only about 25 percent of Latinos identify themselves as a progressive-style “people of color” identity group, the authors said. The majority of Latinos “rejected this designation [because] they preferred to see Hispanics as a group integrating into the American mainstream, one not overly bound by racial constraints but instead able to get ahead through hard work.”

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/09/19/nytimes-more-than-60-percent-of-latinos-reject-progressives-identity-politics/

;-)

scenes

re: DonB@11:47 September 19, Year Zero

"Only about 25 percent of Latinos identify with Joe Biden’s progressive identity politics, while more than 60 percent of Latinos favor Donald Trump’s populist, pro-American pitch, according to a September 18 report in the New York Times."

My favorite bit of tin ear is the word the oh-so-correct folks use, Latinx. Dunno how it's pronounced (Latinks? Latin-x? La Tinks?), but Hispanics don't use it and I expect that the few who have heard the term find it insulting.

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in-four-u-s-hispanics-have-heard-of-latinx-but-just-3-use-it/

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