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11 December 2020

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Douglas Keachie

The prime mishandling of C19 by trump, was his insistence that masks were not the answer, pretty much all the way into this Fall. Do you hold this same view still? if not, when did you make the switch? I bought my first N95's in January, 2020.

ak Linda Grondahl
Douglas Keachie and what are the comorbidities involved here? Very important missing information.
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Douglas Keachie
They have aging bodies with the usual afflictions of aging. But Covid is the accelerant that allows the aging bodies' gremlins to gain the upper hand and kill way sooner, than would have otherwise happen. Are you still serious pretending that Covid is not a prime assassin here? And that when today's 30 year olds, hit sixty, it will not strike them, just as dead, if it is not exterminated? Needs to be done, especially before it mutates further.

Making numbers look prettier does not bring 300,000 back to life.

D

Disagree George - Trump, by his polarizing nature and reluctance to do much if anything to support mask wearing and social distancing; and his repeated macho rantings and ravings against the actual science, his refusal to wear masks, belittling Biden for wearing a mask and social distancing, etc. gave the message to millions of his MAGidiot followers that masks were a vast left wing conspiracy.

Scott O

"ravings against the actual science..."
Science?
Like the "scientists" at WHO telling us the virus was not communicable?
Like the people that follow all the rules and still get the virus?
Like the Dems telling us to go out in public and 'mingle'?
That science?
Keach tells us he bought an N95 in January. So obviously people could take plenty of precautions all on their own without any help whatsoever from the govt. The various governors handled the situation as they saw fit from their perspective.
You leftys claimed that the conservatives and Christians would all die because they followed Trump.
Sorry - didn't happen.
Blaming all the deaths on Trump is idiotic and based on absolutely no 'science' whatsoever.
The people that ended up getting extremely ill or dying that expressed regret for their actions all admit they were warned.
The thing that ends up really pissing off all you bed-wetting leftys is that conservatives tend to be the type of people that acknowledge the information and risks and then take the responsibility for their own actions. I refuse to hide in my house or see our economy wrecked because of a virus that has only a very slightly higher chance of killing me than any of a whole host of dangers in the real world. My wife and I wear a mask in stores and restaurants because they ask us to and we figure it's no big deal to keep them happy. The risk of transmission through other ways is just as real and often totally ignored. Telling lies about Trump does nothing to help get rid of the virus. The vaccine availability is being ramped up and soon everyone that wants one will get the shots. Trump did many things that were within his legal authority (mainly speeding up the availability of the vaccine) that the left refuses to acknowledge.
I'm sorry all you soy-boys felt like pussies because Trump didn't like wearing a mask for a while.
Once Biden is in office he can start ordering the convalescent hospitals to start packing in the Covid patients. That's the 'science' that Dems follow.

Gregory

The "actual science" has shown standard masks all but useless for protecting the wearer from being infected.

L

Scott strikes exactly the right note. We wear masks to comfort our neighbors, not because a N95 offers complete protection- after all, what's the 95 about?

Blaming the President is not only totally unjustified, considering how little actual power he holds over what the states choose to do, it is also small-minded. The ignorant lefties doing this should be ashamed of themselves. Unfortunately it's not an emotion they are capable of holding.

Dr. Rebane did a fine job with his two essays of 2 Dec and 7 Dec explaining why there have been no excess deaths because of Wuflu, but our lefties truly are innumerate on a level that prevents them understaniding the two very, very illuminating charts provided therein. Keach, go back and read both and get over your groundless fears. It makes you even less coherent than usual.

Walt

Hear Cuomo? " the FED Gov. must provide relief"for bars and business" Oh REALLY??? It's NOT the FEDS going full Commie
ordering them to close.

Gregory

I've not purchased an N95 since the pandemic started... real N95s are best left for medical folk.

And blaming Trump for all the deaths attributed to Wuhan SARS is just a convenient handful of crap to fling into the same fan they've been flinging it into since Nov. '16.

Bill Tozer

Lockdowns Do Not Slow COVID Spread, Three Studies Show

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/lockdowns-do-not-slow-covid-spread--three-studies-show/

Bill Tozer

Better move those social distanci g measures back past 6 pies (Espanol)

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-12-09/five-minutes-from-20-feet-away-south-korean-study-shows-perils-of-indoor-dining-for-covid-19

Douglas Keachie

At no point in time can I recall "Lefty's" opposing the pumping of 26 Billion of USA tax payers moneys into the vaccines. The effort was starting long before Trump tried to claim it as his own personal property. I just wish there had been a concurrent effort to make the N95 or higher rated masks here in the USA, like starting at the same time I purchased mine, which I viewed as a patriotic push to ramp up production. My mask of choice now is the 3M 6000, full face protection with P100 pink and yellow filters plugged in, $24 the pair and $150 for the mask. My daughter has a fellow surgeon who uses the same rig.

Diuglas Keachie

BTW, do not underestimate the reduction in deaths from other causes, due to the amazing amount of sanitizing & social distancing going on.

Scott O

11:24 and 11:31 Thanks for the input, Doug. You've done what you've felt necessary to protect yourself. You didn't need any help from any govt. The social distancing and hand sanitizing needed absolutely no help from the feds. This confirms what I pointed out months ago. The single biggest way to stay safe (your personal idea of safe) lies with the individual. The govt's role lies in getting accurate info to the public and speeding up the vaccine production (which Trump did).
Right now the mayors and governors are wrecking our economy by denying people the right to operate their businesses with customers who want to patronize them. You leftys can hide under your beds. No one is stopping you. Please let others have their right to do as they please. No one is forcing you to go to restaurants or barber shops.
I find it fascinating that the left is quick to blame Trump with no proof of what he did was wrong, yet ignore the fact that the Chinese govt lied about the virus and hid what they knew. That's not 'patriotism' - that's willful blindness caused by TDS. And it doesn't help us get through this pandemic.

L

Keach @ 11:24- Glad you're ok and have the A-list rig in place. For my part, I've achieved an identical result for $0 by avoiding crowds, period. I've worn a mask perhaps 10 total hours while at the VA and market, but otherwise not. This respects others fears and no one seems to care what kind of mask people are wearing. To each his own, the good old American way. Obviously helps a ton to be retired.

PT Barnum may have said it best.

L

Keach @ 11:31- Here, however, we have to disagree.

AFIK, there is no connection between masking, distancing and sanitizing and the most common causes of death- heart disease, cancer, COPD, accidents, which are down not through being reduced but because their occurrence is being falsely attributed to wuflu.

L

And, to what do you attribute the overall decline of mortality through this year (lowest since 2016), as so clearly discussed by Dr. Rebane in his essays of 2 and 7 Dec? By the way, I would sincerely like to hear your opinion on this one...

Scott O

L 9:14 - "I would sincerely like to hear your opinion on this one..."
Good luck with that.
I've been waiting for months for the TDS set to re-post here the wise and !SCIENTIFIC! things that Trump should have done last January that they posted then.
Biden said that trying to stop the flow of infected people into the US was 'xenophobic'.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-biden-called-trumps-travel-restrictions-xenophobic/
Pelosi told everyone to go down to China town.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/
The left voted for that while lying about what Trump was doing to help fight the pandemic.
Remember - !SCIENCE! tells us that having a bag of chips with your drink keeps you from getting covid and that the TV and movie productions companies are "essential" businesses.
Yeah -essential for the Dems campaign coffers.

Douglas Keachie

Scott O. At the time of those two events, late February, Trump was calling the whole thing a "Democratic Hoax." Pelosi and Biden quickly changed their stance, Trump did not, until May 15th, when he was given a simple, slow pitch, which he did endorse. I suspect that there are more medically trained personnel who believe in the efficacy of masks than there are scientists proclaiming global warming is real, as of today, not years old research. The fact that some of you have stated N95 should be reserved for medical personnel kinda proves that you agree.

PS, if my name isn't spelled out in full, the poster is not me, and never has been. Somebody else, I don't know who, has been playing with you, for years, apparently.

Douglas Keachie

L. Overall decline would be a matter of major research into the changing demographics, including possibly a more health aware USA population/ I will look at Rebane's stuff later.

Gregory

Dougie 114pm

First, on your claim never to be posting under a pseudonym, BS. You've done that uncounted times. Here at this blog. If you have turned a new leaf, please identify the last time you did it, and what the sock was named.

Second, your claim is BS... According to Snopes, "Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax."

Please, stop being the bloody crazy making wild accusations. Yes, I know everyone you hang with accept it as truth, but it isn't.

Gregory

"I suspect that there are more medically trained personnel who believe in the efficacy of masks than there are scientists proclaiming global warming is real, as of today, not years old research.'
-Dougie 114pm

Dougie, that N95 masks should be left to patient providers has nothing to do with global warming... there aren't enough N95's in circulation for the current demand... let alone demand were individuals to start clamoring for them. But the medical staff who would be wearing them are actually expected to work with a patient who is or might be sick with the Wuhan SARS.

Bill Tozer

Mortality numbers are where it’s at. The last SARS was more widespread, but less deadly. We all dodged a bullet then. The Administration was flying by the seat of its pants and finally VP Biden (the point man Obama assigned the task to) threw up their hands and gave up contact tracing after over 60 million Americans were infected, according to Ron Kline...VP then Biden’s chief of staff and long time Biden aide. And current chief of staff. :). N1H1 or whatever origin name you give it without saying China. The Congo virus? Swine Flu? Eloba? Anyway.....

“It is purely a fortuity that this isn't one of the great mass casualty events in American history. It had nothing to do with us doing anything right. It just had to do with luck," Klain said last year at a biosecurity summit. "If anyone thinks that this can't happen again, they don't have to go back to 1918, they just have to go back to 2009, 2010 and imagine a virus with a different lethality, and you can just do the math on that."

Klain, who is currently an advisor to the Biden campaign, has since backtracked on his comments, specifying that he was only talking about the challenges in producing enough H1N1 vaccine for the public demand.

In late July 2009, the Obama administration promised there would be enough H1N1 vaccine to immunize 160 million Americans at the beginning of the flu season, but ended up with just 28 million.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/obama-stopped-counting-h1n1-cases-testing

Money Quote:“We did every possible thing wrong... It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history."
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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4902313/user-clip-biden-chief-staff-head-h1n1-response-speaks-truth

None of the above is to minimize the mortality rate we face today from the Wuhan Virus. Air borne virus that is contagious. What I am pointing out is that in every playbook for battle, the plan
goes out the window once the shooting starts from both sides.
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Since mortality rate is the Bottomline, then how come our schools are shut down????? In a state of 40 million there have been zero cases of Covid deaths of student to teacher transmission. In another major metro area (NYT I recall? ) there has been a total of 2 cases believed to been the result of student to teacher transmission. It’s it not even enough to be to make it statistically relevant or show up as a blip on the radar!?!?!?! So, why are our schools closed? What is the death rate of those 50 and under, as are most teachers? What is the rate of transmission from pupil to teacher, with or without death? Hmmm? Anybody? Forget schools. What is the rate of child to adult transmission of C-19?

The good news is that homeschooling has doubled after parents see, some for the first time, what they are teaching our 6 and 7 year olds at school. All circus and zoo animals are mistreated! It’s all man’s fault, we are killing Bambi and Pooh Bear and Tigger too in the 100 acre wood, blah, blah, blah. The kids are falling behind, cannot keep up with Math or English Comprehension, but By Golly, they got taught a week’s worth of Systemic Racism and White Privilege....in the classroom! Open a classroom for that special teaching where parents cannot peek in, like on ZOOM. Oh, the harm we are going to our children by social distancing them from each another.

To top my “outburst” off, there is a growing number of those in academia with PhD’s in education who are advocating making home schooling illegal. One needs to look no farther than the Harvard Review. It’s not for the children, that is for sure. This is one time our task master experts refuse to follow the science.

George Rebane

BillT 225pm - Actually Mr Tozer, there are very few in education with PhDs, which require an expansion of human knowledge instead of its regurgitation as supplied by Doctorates of Education.

Scott O

Dougie 1:14 "Trump was calling the whole thing a "Democratic Hoax.""
Really?
Funny you can't find the link to prove it. Now, why is that?
" Pelosi and Biden quickly changed their stance,"
Really? Then provide the link to show Biden apologizing to Trump for calling him xenophobic. And the link to show Pelosi apologizing for telling people to mingle with other infected people.
"PS, if my name isn't spelled out in full, the poster is not me, and never has been. Somebody else, I don't know who, has been playing with you, for years, apparently."
Have no idea what you're talking about, Doug.
So - nice try, Doug, but no cigar.
Back when it mattered, Trump took the initiative to try to do something to alleviate the problem and the Dems made it worse.
Now you want the slow learners to run things.
Great.

Scott O

Greg 1:28 - gotta love Snopes. "Despite creating some confusion with his remarks,..."
They just can't possibly admit the lie about Trump was just a flat out lie.
The only 'confusion' was in the minds of the folks at Snopes and maybe a few kids on the short bus.
Good grief.

Gregory

SO 521pm

Let's just say even if Snopes' people were confused, I wasn't, and I'll guess neither were you.

Gregory

The AMA has come out with a new recommendation... hydroxychloroquine is safe and effective in the treatment of early stage Wuhan SARS. Ummm... please disregard the old recommendation that was used to tar any MD trying to prescribe it as a quack.

It would be snarky of me to note it was announced onl after the EC win by Biden/Harris.

George Rebane

And now we await a similar AMA recommendation on the even more persuasive evidence that Ivermectin is both an effective prophylactic and a therapeutic for Covid-19.

Don Bessee

That's not going to matter to emperor Gavin -

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/bipartisan-group-of-ca-state-lawmakers-call-on-newsom-to-declare-restaurants-essential-during-pandemic

;-)

D

"ATLANTA — Kyle McGowan, a former chief of staff at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and his deputy, Amanda Campbell, were installed in 2018 as two of the youngest political appointees in the history of the world’s premier public health agency, young Republicans returning to their native Georgia to dream jobs.

But what they witnessed during the coronavirus pandemic this year in the CDC’s leadership suite on the 12-floor headquarters here shook them: Washington’s dismissal of science, the White House’s slow suffocation of the agency’s voice, the meddling in its messages and the siphoning of its budget.

In interviews this fall, the pair decided to go public with their disillusionment: what went wrong, and what they believe needs to be done as the agency girds for what could be a yearslong project of rebuilding its credibility externally while easing ill feelings and self-doubt internally."

https://news.yahoo.com/hand-grasping-trump-appointees-describe-133636121.html

Don Bessee

Couldn't let this go till the morning. LOL -

https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-california-strip-clubs-can-remain-open-set-own-coronavirus-rules-judge-says

;-)

Scott O

Duh 10:19 - The article is about a couple of cry babies who seemed to have a pretty naive understanding of what goes on in a large fed agency. They didn't always get to have their opinions fawned over so they got upset. They are confusing their opinions with !SCIENCE!.
Sorry - it's just their opinions. Oh, and it just so happens they have started a new company and it certainly helps to suck up to the new admin by trying to cover for the fact they were career Rs.
Sorry, Duh - there's no secret info here that would have saved lives.
The public knew all about what they claimed was being censored.

Bill Tozer

Maybe this should go under ‘Signs of our a Time’

‘Democratic governor tells people to 'stay home except for essential activities,' then is spotted at a wine bar without a mask’

https://www.theblaze.com/news/rhode-island-governor-coronavirus-wine-bar

In other COVID related news, Fauci says to stay away from your children, Christmas is cancelled. Stay away from your children???? My, that is proof positive that Fauci is a Democrat if one ever needed proof.

Walt

So much for science.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/16/coronavirus-thanksgiving-surge-didnt-happen/
"After weeks of warnings, the ‘Thanksgiving Surge’ predicted by health experts who warned against traveling for the holiday is a no show.


A flight map of the Tuesday before Thanksgiving showed a staggering amount of Americans were traveling for the holiday – something experts and politicians warned against."

Yet the Marxists running the show close every business that didn't kiss their ass.

Don Bessee

Ya dont say -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/17/pennsylvania-coronavirus-cases-rise-despite-months-long-statewide-mask-mandates/

;-)

Bill Tozer

‘How The Gretch Stole Christmas’
Because the only way to be on the 'Nice' list this Christmas is to mask up and avoid your loved ones at all costs.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/17/how-the-gretch-stole-christmas/

Yep, when you hear someone say stay away from your children at Christmad, you can bet your bottom dollar that a Dem said it. It’s not for the children.
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CORONAVIRUS IN ONE STATE (140)
Yesterday Governor Walz rolled out E.O. 20-103 — that’s the 103rd executive order of 2020 — to give citizens their marching orders for the immediate future. If you seek to enjoy a beer outdoors here in the coldest months of the year, as of Saturday you’re golden. If you seek to celebrate Christmas with your family, not so much. The whole thing reeks of the madness of the Central American dictator Esposito in Woody Allen’s Bananas (below). Silence!

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/coronavirus-in-one-state-140.php

Bill Tozer

ARE SHUTDOWNS LEADING TO YOUTH SUICIDE?
“They are, according to this article in the Washington Post. And why wouldn’t they be? As a result of shutdowns and lockdowns, teenagers are not going to school, not playing sports, and not hanging out with friends. That’s a formula for depression and, in too many cases, suicide.

The Post’s article, which appears in the sports page, focuses on the denial of opportunities to participate in sports:”

“The lead researcher of the study at Wisconsin, Tim McGuine, said in an interview in August that “the greatest risk [to student-athletes] is not covid-19. It’s suicide and drug use.”

I would amend that last statement slightly. In my view, covid-19 poses very little risk to student athletes. The likelihood that a healthy teenager will die from this virus is almost zero. The likelihood that a healthy parent or coach — typically people in their 30s and 40s — will die from the transmission of the virus due to sports outings is also small. Older parents and parents with conditions that put them at risk can hold their kids out of sports. At risk coaches can opt out.

Liberals like to talk about “the kids,” as in “we’re doing it for the kids.” But the liberals’ response to the coronavirus, given the effects of that response on young peoples’ mental health, shows these claims to be self-righteous posturing. I’m not sure for whom they are locking down schools and youth sports — maybe for the teachers’ unions — but it’s certainly not for the kids.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/are-shutdowns-leading-to-youth-suicide.php

D

"Donald Trump Sees Your $1,200 Stimulus Checks and Raises You…$600 Checks

COVID-19, which has not only killed more than 287,000 people but millions of jobs and thousands of businesses as well. Not having a job, you see, is bad for people who can’t just drop $30 million on a Miami island and actually have to think about where they’re going to get money to pay for things like shelter and buy stuff like food. It’s extra bad if they happen to live in a country where the government does comparatively little to help people who’ve fallen on hard times and exceedingly bad if that country is the United States, where the president is a cartoonishly evil moron named Donald Trump, who apparently thinks everyone can just get by on possible tax fraud and other financial schemes."

https://is.gd/4Q70VR

L

Covid-19, a,k.a. wuflu, killed about 17,000; the millions of jobs and businesses were slain by Dem guvs with Napoleon complexes. The last sentence describes the Biden crime family to a tee.

If Trump's taxes were in any way problematic, you'd have heard about it four years ago. Obviously.

D

Sure L, Fox News again?
That's why there are mass graves across the world.

L

No, you ignorant slut- look down the page about four articles until you come to a graph. Spend a few minutes (hours if necessary) understanding what the graph says, even read what is said about it. Note the source is the sacred CDC.

Then come back and respout the irrelevancies from 9:56.

BTW, except for the Chinese trying to conceal the original outbreak, I've not heard about "mass graves." this isn't WWII or yet the communist world.

fish

That's why there are mass graves across the world.


Indeed....! Just ask noted progressive luminary Andrew “Grandmother Killer” Cuomo how quickly they fill up!

George Rebane

re D 956am - another exemplar of leftwing ignorance. Their politically correct lie continues to be embraced and echoed by the grassroots Left that Trump is the cause of all the C19 "mass graves". As pointed out, not only are there no mass graves, but the C19 deaths have not added to the expected number of deaths anywhere. The death counts follow the established trends and C19 deaths merely substitute for the number of already 'scheduled deaths' from other causes. But this truth does not serve the socialists' narrative.

D

Does anyone know what Lar is talking about? Try posting a link, dick.

paul emery

George

Assuming your numbers are correct, which is an assumption just for the purposes of conversation, you don't account for he terrible suffering and isolation that COVID deaths inflict on the patients and their families who cannot be together at the time of death.

Larry Wirth

Keach @ 11:04- you don't need a link to the article on the site you're visiting, just go back to the RR home page and scroll down to 7 Dec. Simple, no?

L

Paul @ 12;50- your complaint is best directed to those that are inflicting the isolation by shutting down our society, i.e. Dims.

And skip the mindless snark, the numbers come from the CDC.

paul emery

L

Are you saying that our medical and health care workers don't need the extra protection that current isolation policies were created to insure?

George Rebane

PaulE 1250pm - It's interesting that you're still suffering under the "assumption" syndrome and not accepting CDC data that contradicts the anti-Trump leftwing narrative. And it seems that you're not accounting for all the other deaths, morbidities, delayed diagnoses, ... that are rampant during lockdowns and quarantines. I'm hoping the post-C19 literature on our insane response will reveal the extent of the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on civilized society.

L

Paul @ 1:37- Yes, I'm saying exactly that. Do you need it in all CAPS? Had we done nothing, the wuflu would have harvested the same people it has due to comorbidities, and we'd have achieved herd immunity months ago. It simply isn't any more dangerous to most people than the annual flu, but we paid a price thousands of times higher, partly to get rid of Trump and partly to accustom the public to the feel of the jack boot on their necks. Might be worth it to you, but not on my planet.

L

I don't even like to think about the damage it has caused to the unfortunates trapped in our system of K-12 education. Try to imagine a future in math having missed all instruction in, say, fractions, or first few months of algebra. The intellectual disciplines that must be mastered one step at a time become impossible when the step between landings are removed.

Presumably the "up and out" system will simply advance all these handicapped and they will never catch up. Only the exceptionally motivated can succeed from where they've been left.

L

That's a tragedy next to which a small fraction of slightly premature deaths fades to nothing.

D

So, let me get this straight, when you see 40 foot refrigerated trailers being dropped off at hospitals as mobile morgues and are receiving orders of a thousand body bags, that is a normal flu season, do I have that right?

George Rebane

D 254pm - What you're having a problem with is the normal (non-pandemic) distribution of annual deaths, and deaths focused into surges by a single malady.

Bill Tozer

Remember that big Naval Hospital sailing up the Hudson River just one week after Reechard Maddcow said it impossible to have a hospital ship ready and one site within a month? Impossible! Trump was lying again. The Naval Hospital sailed right up the Hudson over her right shoulder as she was clutching her pearls. WTF is that??!!?, lol. What, the ship served 27 patients before sailing back.....not needed.

Remember the Army Reserves and Army Corps of Engineers set up the Jarvis Center Hospital with those big medic MASH tents in a NY parking area? Set up to serve 2,000 non-C-19 patients? After a week, they pulled up stakes. Not necessary, served about 7 people the last couple of days, lol.

Remember this weekend when the news broke about a gun fight that left two folks dead. The autopsy of the two deceased with bullets In the. found both tested positive for C-19, so add two more to the COVID deaths list.

Funny, we usually have 50,000 dead from the annual flu. This year the flu deaths are way down. What’s up with dat? Year after year we have tens of thousands die from the flu bug, but not this year. Reason? Any respiratory illness/bug easing to death is now categorized as COVID because COVID is a respiratory virus. Like of like phenomena, except antibiotics don’t work. It’s a respiratory for the bean counters. One COVID-19 death here, one C-19 death here, and sure enough the flu bug goes away.

Bill Tozer

C-19 related. Petticoat Junction here we come. Rural America is the preferred place to be. Just ask the wealthy and the remote workers. No more Big City Blues.

‘What's With the Flight From Our Cities?’
Urban unrest and COVID caused many Americans to weigh the benefits of the big city against the small town.

“A recent study by a “location analytics company” called Unacast estimated that the New York metro area had an outflow of 3.57 million people, which seems extremely high. However, they also estimated an inflow of 3.5 million people, leaving a net loss of 70,000 based on opt-in smartphone data.

Perhaps more important to this narrative, though, was the study’s estimate of $34 billion of net income loss for the city. Simply put: Those who were moving out were more well-off financially than those who were coming in. (Other anecdotal data on year-over-year rents this past fall supports that theory, too.) And while they weren’t going too far — nearly half simply relocated to other areas of New York and New Jersey — the fact that they’d left the city behind meant they were no longer contributing to its tax base.

While this study by Unacast was a clever way to bring attention to itself, it also brought up a salient point echoed in other circles: The bright lights of our big cities seem to have dimmed lately.

Perhaps the primary reason for this exodus was the COVID-induced worker repositioning that companies were forced to make in order to keep their employees healthy. Once workers became more accustomed to doing their jobs from home, many realized that there was no reason to remain in an urban area being hollowed out by pandemic-induced closings of bars, restaurants, sports venues, and other popular gathering spots. As long as they had a reasonable Internet connection, there was nothing wrong with relocating to a second-tier large city like Syracuse or Scranton. And while rents are plummeting in midtown Manhattan — much to the chagrin of developers and government alike — they’re going in the opposite direction in the second-tier cities that have needed this sort of break for awhile.

However, libertarian author Kristin Tate takes the economic reasoning farther. “It is easy to blame the deluge on the coronavirus, but in reality a unique combination of factors heralded the end of the growth in places like New York while introducing population booms in medium-sized cities and suburbs across specific regions of the country,” she writes, adding to the blame, “a plethora of new taxes and regulatory schemes that soak middle- and high-income earners.” Thus, she concludes, “The decline of liberal cities in blue states during a crisis is perhaps the clearest judgment on a raft of poor tax and regulatory policies.”

https://patriotpost.us/articles/76558-whats-with-the-flight-from-our-cities-2020-12-18?

Don Bessee

So it begins -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/experts-tell-nyt-elderly-should-be-behind-essential-workers-in-vaccine-line-because-theyre-too-white

;-)

George Rebane

DonB 658pm - The Democrats were the force behind early 20th century love of eugenics that included encouraging the disposal of those people who would taint our species. As we heard tonight, the collectivists are at it again - all for the 'common good' as always. They are evil by their word and deed.

paul emery

George

Do you have some documentation for you're 9:01 that I could read. that's a new one for me.

Don Bessee

Nothing like waving the pony tail of ignorance flag @921, check out Margert Sanger planned parenthood -

;-)

George Rebane

PaulE 921pm - google ‘eugenics’

paul emery

George

Didn't take long to find that the the 1924 Immigration Act, the showcase for Eugenics was sponsored by two conservative Republicans, Albert Johnson (R-WA) and David Reed (R-PA) and signed into law by Republican president Calvin Coolidge.

Google their names with eugenics

Also this:
https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2019/03/06/eugenics-and-republicans-what-dinesh-dsouza-should-learn-from-history/

Todd Juvinall

But Paul Emery, wasn't Margaret Sanger the [erson that actually practiced eugenics? And she created Planned Parenthood, your favorite place.

George Rebane

PaulE 838am - citing that law as dismissing progressives' promotion of eugenics is a stretch by any measure - try to do better. And it looks like Throck Morton has neither read D'Souza nor studied his history. The leading practitioners of eugenics were, then as now, collectivists. What you and your fellow socialists miss today is that eugenics is a ruthlessly utilitarian social theory. Read America's history of eugenics here -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_eugenics

Bill Tozer

NYC says 1% of C-19 cases can be traced to bars and restaurants. Shut er down! Junk science says “shut ‘ er down, get ‘er done.” If one person is vulnerable, we are all vulnerable.

NY puts *indoor restaurant spread* of covid-19 at a little over 1% What do we really think the share of *outdoor* spread is? .001%? Less? Zero?
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CORONAVIRUS IN ONE STATE (141)

“Olson notes that only 2 percent of cases can be traced to bars and restaurants. What data support the current shutdown regime?”....

POSTED ON DECEMBER 19, 2020 BY SCOTT JOHNSON IN CORONAVIRUS, MEDIA, MINNESOTA
CORONAVIRUS IN ONE STATE (141)
The Minnesota Department of Health held its final press briefing of the week yesterday. While most of the briefing was devoted to vaccine distribution, the first question (from Jeremy Olson) addressed the the shutdown of indoor service at bars and restaurants throughout the state. I have posted the audio below. Olson’s question comes at about 12:00.

Olson’s question is premised in part on the obvious recession of the current wave of the epidemic in Minnesota. In fact, this wave of the epidemic has receded throughout the Upper Midwest regardless of the approach taken by the states (tweet below). Kevin Roche has more data on this point here.


Olson notes that only 2 percent of cases can be traced to bars and restaurants. What data support the current shutdown regime?

MDH Commissioner Malcolm and Infectious Disease Division Director Kris Ehresmann both take stabs at an answer. Ehresmann more or less concedes that they don’t have data specific to bars and restaurants to support the shutdown. On this point, see John Phelan’s excellent Center of the American Experiment post reviewing the data.

“So where does Ehresmann land? Sturgis! It’s almost funny.

Ehresmann doesn’t cite the Sturgis data. The MDH report on the Sturgis rally was posted here by the CDC on November 27. Ehresmann is a co-author of the report. Summary:

Following a 10-day motorcycle rally in South Dakota attended by approximately 460,000 persons, 51 confirmed primary event-associated cases, 21 secondary cases, and five tertiary cases were identified in Minnesota residents. An additional nine likely rally-associated secondary or tertiary cases occurred. Four patients were hospitalized, and one died. Genomic sequencing supported the associations with the motorcycle rally.

Four of the 86 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized and one died. The study drew the following implications for public health practice:

The impact of gatherings as a source of virus transmission underscores the importance of reducing the number of attendees at gatherings, using face masks, and encouraging physical distancing to prevent ongoing transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Furthermore, these findings demonstrate the rationale for consistent mitigation measures across states.

That’s it. Eighty-six Minnesota COVID-19 cases were associated with the South Dakota motorcycle rally that drew a total of 460,000 citizens over the course of the 10-day rally. Conclusion: Avoid “gatherings.” You have got to be kidding me.

One more point. Bars and restaurants remain open at tribal casinos and at the MSP International Airport. If the closure of bars and restaurants is a matter of life and death, what accounts for the silence of the authorities on this point? They can’t be serious.”

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/coronavirus-in-one-state-141.php

Follow the silence of science.


paul emery

George, do deny it was the Republicans that proposed and signed the 1924 Immigration Act, the showcase for Eugenics ( Calvin Coolege)?

George Rebane

PaulE 1232pm - Now where did you get that idea? But what you have yet to do is to connect that legislation with Republicans promoting eugenics.

paul emery

Details are all over the place George if you bother to look. Here's an example;

Nearly 100 years ago, Congress passed a restrictive law that cut the overall number of immigrants coming to the United States and put severe limits on those who were let in.

"Journalist Daniel Okrent says that the eugenics movement — a junk science that stemmed from the belief that certain races and ethnicities were morally and genetically superior to others — informed the Immigration Act of 1924, which restricted entrance to the U.S.

"Eugenics was used as a primary weapon in the effort to keep Southern and Eastern Europeans out of the country," Okrent says. "[The eugenics movement] made it a palatable act, because it was based on science or presumed science."


Okrent notes the 1924 law drastically cut the number of Jews, Italians, Greeks and Eastern Europeans that could enter the country. Even during World War II, when hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and dying, access remained limited. The limits remained in place until 1965, when the Immigration and Nationality Act ended immigration restrictions based on nationality, ethnicity and race.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/08/721371176/eugenics-anti-immigration-laws-of-the-past-still-resonate-today-journalist-says

paul emery

George

Just to repeat in 1924 the Immigration Act, the showcase for Eugenics was sponsored by two conservative Republicans, Albert Johnson (R-WA) and David Reed (R-PA) and signed into law by Republican president Calvin Coolidge.

Barry Pruett

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/immigration-act

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/68-1/s126

Everything that Paul said was bullshit as usual. The bill was overwhelmingly supported by both houses with more Republicans voting against the bill than Democrats. If you have to go back to 100 years to demonize Republicans, let’s just talk about the Civil War. Who owned all the slaves? That would be Democrats. Who refused to free their slaves and allowed the beginning of the Civil War? That would be Democrats.

Why are you even trolling 1924 Republicans? It’s just so silly

Todd Juvinall

Eugenics has to do with "breeding" not immigration.

George Rebane

PaulE 325pm - Paul, you are confusing eugenics with the nationalistic racism of the times. When transportation became cheap and facile in the latter part of the 19th century, all developed countries became concerned about immigration from less developed countries that would upset their cultures and economies. And responsive immigration laws, such as the one you cite, were passed.

Eugenics, on the other hand, is “the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.”

Early champions of eugenics were almost all collectivists – socialists and progressive ranging from educators like Eugene Debs to artist playwrights like George Bernard Shaw, and also luminaries like early progressivists Theodore Roosevelt, Alexander Graham Bell, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., and many other prominent citizens were outspoken supporters. But the study and practice of eugenics as part of America’s public policy was the main bailiwick of Democrats who were still the unabashed promoters of Jim Crow anti-black racism in the land.

paul emery

Well George we have different facts to justify our opinions. Online it is common knowledge that use the word eugenics in characterizing the 1924 Emigration Act sponsored and supported by the Republicans.

Barry Pruett

Omg. I just went back and read the thread. Are you actually trying to say because a bill was sponsored by a couple of republicans in 1924 regarding immigration that republicans historically support eugenics? It is beyond argument that progressives are and always have been supporters of and advocates for eugenics. George gave you the hall of fame of eugenics above. Did you really not know that? You are espousing not only fake news...that’s fake history. 😂

Bill Tozer

When I heard the word ‘eugenics’, the first thing that pops in my head is Margaret Sanger, then Auschwitz.

“Infanticide did not go out of fashion with the advance from savagery to barbarism and civilization. Rather, it became, as in Greece and Rome, a recognized custom with advocates among leaders of thought and action.– Margaret Sanger, Woman and the New Race
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But I wonder, too, whether these crusaders will train their gaze on one of our nation’s far more serious offenders of racial equality: Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger. She was, after all, a foremost proponent of the eugenics movement — motivated by her particular animus toward poor non-whites — and her campaign to legalize birth control was motivated in large part by her desire to prevent the “unfit” and “feeble-minded” from reproducing.

After several decades of brushing aside pro-life critiques of its tainted history, Planned Parenthood is now fielding similar complaints from some of its own employees. Just last month, more than 350 current and former staffers of Planned Parenthood’s Greater New York affiliate — along with several hundred donors and volunteers — published an open letter condemning Sanger as “a racist, white woman” and arguing that the organization is guilty of “institutional racism.”

“We know that Planned Parenthood has a history and a present steeped in white supremacy and we, the staff, are motivated to do the difficult work needed to improve,” the letter added.

If removing offensive statues is the new norm, perhaps the bust of Sanger in the Smithsonian’s National Portrait Gallery should be the next to go.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/how-long-will-margaret-sanger-last/
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‘Remove statues of Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood founder tied to eugenics and racism‘
How a woman who advocated for the selective breeding of her fellow citizens came to be memorialized with those who built a country is hard to understand.

For those identifying historical figures with racist roots who should be removed from public view because of their evil histories, Planned Parenthood’s founder, Margaret Sanger, must join that list. In promoting birth control, she advanced a controversial "Negro Project," wrote in her autobiography about speaking to a Ku Klux Klan group and advocated for a eugenics approach to breeding for “the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/23/racism-eugenics-margaret-sanger-deserves-no-honors-column/5480192002/

Ever wonder why 70% of Planned Parenthood’s abortion services are in black neighborhoods? Ever wonder why Planned Parenthood floods the zone in black communities? Guess the other 30% of PP’s clinics are located in other various poor neighborhoods.

When Margaret Sanger addressed a local charter of the KKK, it was just one Democrat having a conversation with other Democrats. Democrats founded the KKK and marched down Pennsylvania Ave by the thousands with hoods and robes but smiling faces showing right past the disapproving eyes of Calvin Coolidge who turned and REFUSED to watch the parade.

Eugenics? The Lefties know all about that practice.

George Rebane

re PaulE 420pm - Methinks Paul has just issued the mea culpa for all his years of clever reasoning, citations, and responses - he's a devotee of "online it is common knowledge", that unquestionable fount of reason and truth, goodness and light. I'm willing to forgive him if he promises not to do it again.

paul emery

George, Barry

The information I provided was just as legitimate as what you claim. There are two indesputable facts. One that the 1924 Emigration was was considered legislation supporting Eugenics and two that it was introduced by Republicans and signed by a Republican President.

Don Bessee

Lets keep perspective -

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Overdose-deaths-far-outpace-COVID-19-deaths-in-15816356.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight

;-)

Barry Pruett

Lol Paul. I can give you two undisputed truths as well. The numbers four and six. You are saying 4+6 equals 127. Just because your two facts exist, your conclusion is highly and indisputably of the Mark. 😂😂

Don Bessee

https://www.foxnews.com/us/overwhelmed-california-hospitals-contemplate-rationing-care

;-)

paul emery

Exactly what are you disputing about my facts Barry? That they don't exist?

Don Bessee

There is that comprehension issue again oh great pony tail of ignorance @652
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Hey just like Venezuela -

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/12/19/pinkerton-the-covid-class-war-the-liberated-vs-the-locked-down/

;-)

L

Paul, before you publicly soil yourself further, ask yourself which party favors the publicly funded, ongoing slaughter of mostly black infants, and why.

You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. Understood that "fact" is a concept you may not have understood.

Barry Pruett

I am not disputing your selective facts. I am disputing your ridiculous conclusions. 😂

Bill Tozer

Definitely C-19 related. Interesting article, published in conjunction with the NYT...for those who live for shooting the messenger. Good read on how China operates. Makes me wonder if the China was the mastermind, source, and drumbeat behind referring to the ‘Wuhan Virus’ or ‘China Virus’ as racist speech. Anyway, how China operates. Eerie similarities with our social media and media companies here.

CORONAVIRUS
‘Leaked Documents Show How China’s Army of Paid Internet Trolls Helped Censor the Coronavirus’
As the coronavirus spread in China, the government stage-managed what appeared on the domestic internet to make the virus look less severe and the authorities more capable, according to thousands of leaked directives and other files.

https://www.propublica.org/article/leaked-documents-show-how-chinas-army-of-paid-internet-trolls-helped-censor-the-coronavirus


Bill Tozer

Thinking Students Rank Last on the Government School Agenda

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/thinking-students-rank-last-on-the-government-school-agenda/

Always a silver lining.

D

You can try to blame it on the Dems, but we see where the problem lies.

"The COVID relief package is basically a tweaked version of the one proposed by Senate Republicans back in October.

10/27/2020:
House Proposal: $2.2 trillion
White House Proposal: $1.8 trillion
Senate Proposal: $900 billion

Today’s Agreement: $900 billion"

L

Keach, why don't you explain to Paul how that 2.2trillion House proposal gets added to "Trump's" deficit? You know, National Debt and all...

Walt

But the experts SAID SO!!! The science was settled.(now where in hell did we hear that before?)
https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/16/coronavirus-thanksgiving-surge-didnt-happen/
"After weeks of warnings, the ‘Thanksgiving Surge’ predicted by health experts who warned against traveling for the holiday is a no show."

But they still want to cancel Christmas.

Walt

L,,, The LIB fuzzy math.

Don Bessee

Just sayin' i am ready for a waffle and a side of bacon! ;-)

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/waffle-house-ceo-reveals-no-evidence-of-coronavirus-spread-from-2000-locations-restrictions-are-disproportionately-hurting-people

;-)

Bill Tozer

DECEMBER 18, 2020
Expert tells NY Times: Elderly white people shouldn't get coronavirus vaccine priority in order to 'level playing field' with minorities
The experts also said teachers shouldn't get vaccine priority because they're white

https://www.theblaze.com/news/coronavirus-priority-list-nyt-white

D

New Congress Commandment:
Thou shalt not mock the plague as a hoax for a year and then be first in line to get the vaccine whilst tossing $600 at the peasants and then continue to pretend you’re a ‘good Christian’

Gregory

They've split the next vaccination phase in to 1B and 1C
Per CDC:
Folk 75 and older are 1B
Folk 65 to 74 are 1C, as are some "essential workers "

Unclear if comorbid 65 plus are 1B

Waiting for CA version

L

Keach @ 11:50- I assume you have someone in particular in mind?

Gregory

Keach 1150am


No one I know has mocked the Wuhan SARS as a hoax.

Gregory

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-20/02-COVID-Dooling.pdf

Don Bessee

The little people pushing back -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-sued-by-california-restaurant-owner-coronavirus-shutdown

;-)

Walt

Oh NOOooo... Nothing to worry about.. The same damned thing the LIBS and "experts said the first time.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/21/anthony-fauci-doesnt-want-to-restrict-u-k-flights-dont-overreact-to-mutated-coronavirus-strain/


"Dr. Anthony Fauci, National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director, is warning against “overreacting” to a mutated strain of coronavirus spreading in parts of the United Kingdom and does not yet want restrictions on flights to and from the country."

So wait till it's already here, and all over the place.. Just like before. And Trump took how much crap for shutting off travel the first time? Then even more for not doing it soon enough.


D

And Trumplekins want to recall Newsome,ha!

Hundreds of Maskless Trumpkins Pack Turning Point USA Party at Mar-a-Lago

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe, and Roger Stone were among those who attended the gala, where hundreds flouted Palm Beach COVID-19 measures.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CI-4x_qnbCN/

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