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03 December 2020

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Walt

Some VERY interesting video coming out of Georgia.
Recall when the shut down the counting because it "was late"...?
All but FOUR people cleared out of the counting room.
The those four kept "counting" all through the night.
No witnesses, no supervision....
I'm sure Emery and the Douche ( a good radio gig for the two) will have good excuses for that.


RXCross

Here is the real evidence: Yet another bogus source that will tell you all you want to hear and nothing that resembles the truth.


Here is the Evidence Right Biased and Questionable based on the publication of election fraud misinformation, the use of poor sources, and a complete lack of transparency.
Here is the Evidence allows people to upload/post evidence of voter fraud during the 2020 election. Although they request that people only post evidence that would be admissible in court, most of the information comes from social media posts and poor sources such as Breitbart, Epoch Times, and Judicial Watch, all of which we rate as far-right biased and Questionable. They also have supposed witness accounts that come from unreliable sources such as Some Bitch Told Me. While some of the information is factual many of the posts rely on poor sources who frequently fail fact checks and have been publishing misinformation regarding election fraud during the 2020 election.

Barry Pruett

Lol. Imagine RXCross if it were Republicans who got caught cheating. 😂😂🇺🇸

#resist

Bill Tozer

‘USA TODAY & FACEBOOK USE SLANDEROUS “FACT CHECK” TO SUPPRESS FACTS ABOUT ILLEGAL VOTING BY NON-CITIZENS’

“Furthermore, Facebook is using this misinformation to suppress the genuine facts of this issue instead of honoring its policy to “Stop Misinformation and False News.” Compounding this malfeasance, a note at the bottom of Cox’s article states that USA Today’s “fact check work is supported in part by a grant from Facebook.”

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/usa-today--facebook-use-slanderous-fact-check-to-suppress-facts-about-illegal-voting-by-non-citizens
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Voter fraud: ‘CANDACE OWENS FILES LAWSUIT AGAINST USA TODAY AND FACEBOOK THIRD-PARTY FACT-CHECKERS’

“Owens, no stranger to controversy, posted a video on her Twitter page and has also created a website, factcheckzuck, to solicit donations to help fund the lawsuit she decided to file against those who try to bring legitimacy to claims that may not be factual.

She is suing two defendants, USA Today and Lead Stories Fact Checker, both of which are partners with Facebook. The fact-checkers apply ratings to content and apply labels such as “false,” “misleading” or “missing context.”

“It is time to fact-check the fact-checkers,” Owens said in a video. “I think the fact-checkers are cowards. I think [Facebook CEO] Mark Zuckerberg is a coward, and I love that I am on his platform raising money to go after his fact-checkers.”

https://www.blackenterprise.com/candace-owens-files-lawsuit-against-usa-today-and-facebook-third-party-fact-checkers/
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USA Today fact-check slammed after claiming picture of Biden press secretary with communist imagery is 'missing context'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/usa-today-fact-check-slammed-after-claiming-picture-of-biden-press-secretary-with-communist-imagery-is-missing-context
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Ah, why bother

George Rebane

RX 1008am - Can one not write an exactly opposite summary citing lamestream media sources as 'far-left biased and questionable'?

What you totally miss is that the presented list of 'evidence' attempts encompass all that people from all over the country allege as evidence for voter fraud. Not all of the items on the list would be admissible in court as evidence per se, more corroborative testimonials would be needed. But what your credible sources do is deny the existence of voter fraud altogether because in their eyes not enough has been presented yet to overturn the election. That criterion is not needed to define voter fraud and point out its existence.

In the final analysis, half the country today does not believe that the election was legitimate, just as your half has yet to believe that the 2016 election was legitimate. That simply illustrates that we are no longer a single nation living within a common border.

paul emery

George

I assume you believe that this election was not "legitimate" as you put it. Correct me if I'm wrong. With that in mind what should be happening now that is not happening and what should the next step be for Trump and fellow supporters if they don't get that process?

Walt

Translation." OK, so we cheated.. Deal with it".
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-recertifies-election-results-fulton-county-video

Walt

It clear Emery has no use for fair and open elections.
Cheating is just part of the game.(ask Nixon)

Hugo Chavez would love you.

Gregory

Punchy, we either move towards a contentious Electoral College vote, or throw it to the House of Representatives with one vote per state delegation.

It worked in 1824.

George Rebane

PaulE 1220pm - We should separate 'voter fraud' from 'voter fraud sufficient to overturn the election', and pursue the established existence of the former in order to restore confidence in our election process. Trump and the various conservative organizations prosecuting these voter fraud investigations should continue and expand their work, even as the Biden administration takes office and attempts to halt and suppress these legitimate enquiries and adjudications.

There's a lot more to come on this whole affair; getting Trump out of office was just the kick-off.

Barry Pruett

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=6Za3OKNKG-8

Shady

Walt

Here Emery,,"Zombies" vote Democrat.
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/04/watch-democrats-lawyer-in-nevada-dead-voters-can-cast-valid-mail-in-ballots-before-death/

Bill Tozer

Oh Walt, Dems are dying to vote. Thats why they put metal fences around cemetaries.
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Buck articulates my thoughts and position on Georgia, the video, and voter fraud.

The Battle for Georgia

https://youtu.be/OOoTbYBXxJE

Walt

You got it Bill,, and enough room in the slats to get a pen and ballot through.
Come to think of it, maybe I need to check who Mom and Dad voted for. No way in HELL would he have voted for Biden.
Dad was a Repub. Good friends with Regan.

Bill Tozer

Yep, my folks never voted Democrat when they were alive.

Bill Tozer

One never knows for certain how a court will rule, but legal (Constitutional) opinions are informative.

‘Amistad Project argues in new report that Electoral College deadlines are not set in stone’

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/amistad-project-argues-new-report-electoral-college-deadlines-are-not-set


paul emery

Here's one for you George. Trump is appointing someone to the Pentagon that encouraged him to declare martial law following his election loss. What is your opinion of this?

"According to a report from CNN’s “KFiles,” one of Donald Trump’s appointees to the Pentagon has been approvingly retweeting Twitter posts that call the election of former Vice President Joe Biden a “coup,” while also helping to promote a petition calling for the president to declare martial law following his election loss.

Scott O’Grady recently received a presidential appointment to the Pentagon as the next Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs......


Even more alarming was his promotion of the idea that the U.S. military intervene in the peaceful transfer of power at the request of the ousted president to allow him to call a new election.

“On December 2, he retweeted an account that shared an article that said former national security adviser Michael Flynn had shared a petition that called for martial law. He then retweeted the same account which suggested that Trump should declare martial law,” CNN reports, noting that source Twitter post that read, “I don’t know who needs to hear this but calling for martial law is not a bad idea when there is an attempted coup against the president and this country happening right now.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/trump-pentagon-appointee-busted-for-tweets-arguing-for-martial-law-following-election-loss/

Barry Pruett

Bill. Nice article. It is important to remember, authority granted to a body by the constitution trumps everything - all statutes. Period. Full stop.

L

Unfortunately, this probably isn't the best time to fiddle with the Electoral College lest the other side take it as encouragement to further bend/break the rules in other ways


Yes, it is a coup, just as the reckless attack on candidate Trump was in 2016.

The current coup is not narrowly focused as that one. This one involved cheating in, probably, every state. They "flooded the zone", knowing that the enforcement mechanisms would be overwhelmed everywhere- they cheated by the margin in several different ways in Georgia alone, and the result is investigations running into each other and mass confusion.

This was only possible because a substantial portion of the low-end deep staters (the vote counters) are always ready, willing and able to cheat for their democrap masters.

It's going to take some time to bring it all to the surface and present all in a manner that will convince the low IQs among us.

L

Still, the main target needs to be the four huge overnight vote dumps in three states worth 60+ electoral votes. The Michigan job that went 30-1 for Biden with 130,000 votes involved is only the most obvious. Curiously, even it wasn't enough, as Michigan saw two of these.

For the nummerate, the coincidences, never-befores, and outrageous anomalies are already beyond convincing. Best example: Biden outdrew Obama in the blackest precincts of Milwaukee, Detroit and Philadelphia while Dem support among blacks declined considerably in almost every other city in America. How does Emery explain that?

Oh, right, he doesn't (because it can't be plausibly explained). Proof looks a lot like that much of the time; not clear as a bell but unmistakable nevertheless...

Bill Tozer

Morning L

Let’s not bother Paul. He is busy on the trail uncovering Trump’s plan to call in the military and do his coup and establish his fascist state. The end of our democracy. They have already spilled the beans on that conspiracy theory. Remember that Fourth of July in DC and Trump wanted a military parade, just like in North Korea. Tanks surrounding the White House with soldiers standing soldier to soldier surrounding the Presidential Residence. How may Generals will defect or refuse to go along with the coup? A nation in crises. The Brown Shirts (or Black Shirts) are coming after our own (Robert Cross (the original one).

Heck, they have been warning us about a Trump since before Election Day, 2016. He wants to be President for Life. Warning, warning, warning! Time stamped Nov 5, 2016.

https://ew.com/article/2016/11/05/bill-maher-donald-trump-could-be-president-life-blasts-media/
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So, L, lets let Punchy do his due diligence and bring forth all the evidence......er....all the proof he done dug up about Trump’s planned Imminent coup attempt. He is well acquainted with finding coups. He spent the last 3 years sniffing out the Trump-Russia coup and, by golly, he is an expert. Can’t stop him anyway. Trump, the Russian Spy, is trying to steal the election!
The proof is in the pudding.

Some day our popinjay is that last person on earth to lecture us about coup attempts, but not me.

Gregory

Constitutionally, what is a flag officer (current or past) to do if they catch whiff of a foreign conspiracy that has changed votes in a current election cycle?

Punchy?

George Rebane

Gregory 1051am - Am also waiting for Paul's answer (he asks so many questions, he must have a passel of answers stored up). Don't know if a flag officer's duty is any different from that of company-grade officers (flag was a bit above my pay grade). But if I recall my training and oath, and depending on the strength of the "whiff", my responsibility was to interdict the conspiracy (were that reasonably possible for me), and immediately report the matter to my commanding officer. I would have to take all the responsibility for not interdicting when possible, and also for screwing up the interdiction if that were later determined to be poor judgment on my part. I would also be responsible if my commanding officer sat on his ass and took no further action (up the chain), were that later to be determined dereliction of duty - in short, I would have to go over my reluctant commander's head and take the downside if it was then adjudicated (court martial and/or career) to be an error on my part. This drill is essentially the same as if an officer was given what he believed to be an unlawful order to carry out. American officers can never cop to 'But I was just following orders.'

Gregory

Awww, George, you gave him an answer.

Punch?

Bill Tozer

Anybody want to start a pool on which day Trump declares martial law? Gentleman’s wager,
nothing to win except boasting rights and nothing to lose but another conspiracy theory to distract from the Dem’s dirty deeds. Keep the focus on Trump. It worked for Biden.

In addition, the over/under line for December 14th line is being figured out as we speak.

Gregory

ECOMCON at work?

George Rebane

Gregory 1138am - Apologies, but I don't believe he would have known any of this military stuff. I think we both are waiting for Paul to give the politically proper progressives' answer to your question.

Gregory

ECOMCON is from a Rod Serling film script...

Gregory

Tozer... I don't think martial law will be called at all, without real riots or an invasion larger than the Duchy of Gran Fenwick might be capable of?

paul emery

Just got back from a day hiking. Been out of touch with the blog. Exactly what question are you referring to George.

Did get to watch a little bit of Trump makng a total fool of himself so nothing is new there.

Gregory

Here you go a'gin, Punchy:

Constitutionally, what is a flag officer (current or past) to do if they catch whiff of a foreign conspiracy that has changed votes in a current election cycle?

Walt

What was Emery doing out of the house? herr fuhrer Newsom
Has declared a lockdown.

paul emery

Don't have a clue Gregory. Educate me.

Walt

Here we go again... Emery refusing to do his own homework.

Gregory

Punchy, you're the one who posted this rawstory story:
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/trump-pentagon-appointee-busted-for-tweets-arguing-for-martial-law-following-election-loss

So... what would you expect from an officer and a gentleman were he to come across a foreign theft of an election?

Don Bessee

Now thats odd -

Engelbrecht said in an interview with Breitbart News on Friday about the Pakistani company, “Why would they be getting this information? Why would they show up on a cc line? There’s no good way to look at that that should make anyone feel confident in the security of this process.”

“Further, all we can speak to is our experience. Who knows where else that is showing up and what else they’re tracking? If it’s embedded in a form like that, they could be doing that for any number of things,” she added. “The implication here that a foreign national company with known ties to the intelligence community in Pakistan — there’s no way to overlook that. It’s inexplicable and it should be investigated.”

The security breach flies in the face of election security officials who claim that the elections were the most secure in history.

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/05/anti-voter-fraud-group-finds-suspicious-link-between-nevada-state-website-and-intelligence-linked-pakistani-company/

;-)

Walt

Oh.. LOOKY here... LIBS now all of a sudden don't want the one with the most votes to win.
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/05/democrats-represented-by-marc-elias-try-to-overturn-two-house-elections-pelosi/
"According to multiple reports, the Democrats plan to appeal to Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and the House Administration Committee to certify at least one of the candidates as the winners — even if the Republican candidate appears to have more votes as counted by state election authorities."

"Politico reported this week that Democrats, led by Elias and Perkins Coie, have a similar plan for a contested House race in Iowa, where Republican Mariannette Miller-Meeks has been certified as the winner of the 2nd congressional district race by six votes over Democrat Rita Hart."

So appeal the the Proggy owned House... Simple majority vote no doubt.

Yaaa.. You clowns go right ahead and whine about what Trump is doing.

Bill Tozer

There is a pattern emerging.

-First, the Dems ignore our protestations about hanky panky.

-Next, they ridicule us mercilessly.

-Then, they fight us with everything they have in their arsenal, detecting what they mocked us for may be a winner for us..

-Finally, they go quiet and move on to something else.

Me thinks we are currently in the fighting stage. That tells me the Lefties perceive there is more validity to our protestations about election fraud than they were previously aware or acknowledged. Remember when they went nuts denying Obama was spying on Trump Towers? Called us all right wing kooks?

Then they went silent.

From memory lane. Mark Levin simply put together what the Wa Post, the Atlantic, the NYT, CNN, Bloomberg, NPR, and other non-right wing sites had published previously about the Obama Administration surveillance of the Trump Campaign and Trump himself, citing their own words, articles, dates when Trump said they wiretapped him. It was Mike Rogers who went directly to Trump and told him. The next day, Trump and the campaign vacated Trump Towers.
Oh, Punchy went unglued over the words Trump used: ‘Wire tapped”. “Where is the proof?”. Then they went silent after fighting the very notion.

A few moments from the Enemy of the People.

https://soundcloud.com/conservativereview/listen-to-this-infuriating-montage-of-msm-reporters-say-mark-levin-was-a-conspiracy-theorist

https://money.cnn.com/2017/03/06/media/mark-levin-joel-pollak-breitbart-trump-obama/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/07/mark-levin-trump-wiretap-tweets-obama

To this hour we witness the “shoot the messenger” tactic, even on these boards.

Gregory

BT 802am

Yes indeedy.

I was half expecting Paul to come back with protestations disputing my sanity, but perhaps he realized I wasn't saying there was foreign involvement with the vote anomalies... but suggesting if there were... what would an officer and a gentlperson patriot do had they thought there was... like Jiggs (Kirk Douglas' character in Seven Days in May).

IF THERE IS, and Trump or surrogates can tell a story that sways folks to that, all bets are off. And we will get election reform pronto... paper ballots and in person voting with photo ID.

If there isn't but the tainted election stands (it does stink and everyone not afflicted with TDS can smell it), it's His Illegitimacy, President Biden and the New Resistance pushing back at him and her for the next four years.

Your reap what you sow, Paul.

L

Wonder if Paul et al would be at all concerned if Dominion Voting Systems was purchased by the CCP a month before the election? " Nah, nothing to see there, move along..."

Keep that in mind as you evaluate their protestations of Dim party innocence in election fraud. (After all, if it was the Chicoms, the Dims are in the clear.) And this is what passes for reason among the lower 50% of the IQ distribution.

D

Sidney Powell thought she could sing - not!

'The people have spoken': Federal judge rejects ex-Trump attorney Sidney Powell's Michigan election lawsuit

"A Michigan federal judge has ruled against a sweeping legal bid to overturn election results in the state, determining the lawsuit brought by an ally of President Donald Trump was riddled with "theories, conjecture and speculation" but little evidence of wrongdoing."

U.S. District Judge Linda V. Parker ruled against a request from Sidney Powell – an attorney disavowed by the Trump campaign who still champions its causes – to force the state to award its electoral votes to Trump despite President-elect Joe Biden winning Michigan by nearly 155,000 votes.

"In fact, this lawsuit seems to be less about achieving the relief Plaintiffs seek – as much of that relief is beyond the power of this Court – and more about the impact of their allegations on People’s faith in the democratic process and their trust in our government," reads a portion of the 36-page opinion.

"Plaintiffs ask this Court to ignore the orderly statutory scheme established to challenge elections and to ignore the will of millions of voters. This the Court cannot, and will not, do. The people have spoken."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-spoken-federal-judge-rejects-144459690.html

Walt

Yes, Dominion has something to hide.
"Antrim County judge Kevin Elsenheimer ordered an exam to be conducted on Dominion voting machines in that area, where about 6,000 votes mysteriously flipped from Donald Trump to Joe Biden in the election.

According to Gruber, Dominion is threatening “lawsuits against Antrim County and its 22 townships for violating … contracts with The State of Michigan.”

“Those contracts forbid access to the Dominion tabulation machines or the software and algorithms that run elections,” he said.

Dominion had been scheduled to appear before the Pennsylvania legislature in mid-November, but canceled just hours before the hearing was scheduled to begin."

Now who was the dumbass that signed that contract?
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/07/exclusive-michigan-house-committee-threatens-dominion-ceo-subpoena-testify/

D

MAGAs accepting a peaceful transfer of power.

https://twitter.com/ALT_uscis/status/1336107556167675904?s=09

Bill Tozer

The night the lights did not go out in Georgia.

'No, The Georgia Vote-Counting Video Was Not ‘Debunked.’ Not Even Close'
A Big Tech-backed 'fact' 'checking' outfit claimed to debunk explosive evidence for Republicans' claims of significant election problems in Georgia. It didn't.
By Mollie Hemingway

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/

Walt

Good news for D-..
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/12/07/george-gascon-l-a-s-soros-funded-d-a-sworn-in-ends-cash-bail-death-penalty/

Yup,, just ignore the laws of the state. Just pick and choose the ones you care to follow, and enforce. (Like going after restaurant and bar owners.) Those selling cheap Chinese crap? Good to go.

Walt

No Bill! Your eyes were lie'n to ya'! Emery and D- couldn't come up with a good excuse,, but any other Proggy could.

Voter fraud just "here and there" in no way constitutes "wide spread" It's all in the wording now. Just a "little" voter fraud is just fine now.
"The voter fraud 'we did' find,,,, in NO WAY would overturn the vote count for Biden.... No Sir....
The next election will be done a lot better... We promise."

fish

Posted by: D | 07 December 2020 at 05:17 PM


It's OK...those Trump supporters were just fighting an idea.......!

Barry Pruett

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/07/texas-sues-georgia-michigan-pennsylvania-and-wisconsin-at-supreme-court-election-rules/?_gl=1*6yr8kp*_ga*ZFp6Z1NYY0RBVkdrRFl6bmlyeFg0cGVnVk5vMjNBeDNSS3pPWUFfVVBrb3FJdXJ1MzVWRnlEX2dqX3ZFUUVRZQ

I can’t find the petition anywhere but breitbart is moderately reputable. We will likely see some action or lack thereof from the Supreme Court today on some of these cases.

Barry Pruett

The "Thomas" wing of the Supreme Court is now a solid block of five justices, and I recall the leader of that "high tech lynching" three decades ago was none other than the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, namely Joseph Biden. Karma can be a heartless bitch.

Barry Pruett

https://www.scribd.com/document/487348469/TX-v-State-Motion-2020-12-07-FINAL#from_embed

Barry Pruett


“[T]hat form of government which is best contrived to
secure an impartial and exact execution of the law, is
the best of republics. - John Adams

BILL OF COMPLAINT
Our Country stands at an important crossroads.
Either the Constitution matters and must be followed,
even when some officials consider it inconvenient or
out of date, or it is simply a piece of parchment on
display at the National Archives. We ask the Court to
choose the former.”

I love Texas.

The complaint is a long read but easy to understand. Not a lot of legalese. Whoever wrote it made it very plain for the nonlawyer to understand. Bottom line argument is that officials in PA, MI, GA, WI violated state law repeatedly and such violations unlawfully benefited Biden.

Barry Pruett

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-12/Texas%20Lawsuit%2012%20-%208-%2020.pdf

This link is better

D

Barry is loving the Texas lawsuit to overturn the election results and throw it to Trump.

Trouble is there is not much of a Federal connection to their lawsuit. Just some ramblings supposedly related to the 14th Amendment.

Good luck Barry!

"Legal experts responded to news of the lawsuit’s filing by criticizing it as “insane” and “a new leader in the ‘craziest lawsuit filed to purportedly challenge the election’ category,” with election law expert Rick Hasen describing the suit as “utter garbage” and “a press release masquerading as a lawsuit.”

Among the reasons the legal challenge is likely to fail, according to experts, are that the court may find Texas does not have standing to sue, it brought the legal challenge too late, or that there’s no evidence to support that the state elections were unconstitutional, and it also may take long enough for the case to be decided that the issue may be moot."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/08/texas-asks-supreme-court-to-overturn-biden-win-in-last-ditch-election-lawsuit/?sh=3445077934e6

Barry Pruett

"Just some ramblings supposedly related to the 14th Amendment." That right here is quality analysis Doug. Some shit about the Fourteenth Amendment. Lol. Tell that to former slaves and black folk who relied on the shit about the Fourteenth Amendment to obtain civil rights from states that were violating the Constitution. You would be better served arguing on the more liberal blogs in town that censor educated viewpoints in favor of your type of ill-advised and ignorant rhetoric.

In an effort to truly engage Doug, please educate me as to why you believe that Plaintiff State (Texas) does not have standing. :Let's start there. Something simple.

L

Or as Ahnold memorably said "Chust some plo chobs..."
Maria was notably not amused.

D

Well Bar and Lar, I see why you guys love Texas.

Texas loves to sue.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/17/texas-federal-government-lawsuits/

D

Here you go Bar and Lar, have at it. Tell me how the 14th applies.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

D

http://amylhowe.com/2020/12/08/texas-tries-hail-mary-to-block-election-outcome/

Texas tries Hail Mary to block election outcome
In a last-ditch effort to forestall the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, Texas sought on Tuesday to file a lawsuit directly in the Supreme Court, attempting to delay the Electoral College vote and prevent four states – Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin – from casting their Electoral College votes for President-elect Joe Biden, who won the popular vote in each state. This highly unusual use of the court’s original jurisdiction — which is most often used to resolve interstate disputes involving, for example, water rights — came just six days before each state’s electors are required by law to meet and cast their ballots in the Electoral College.

The filing by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton accuses government officials in the four states of using the COVID-19 pandemic to make changes to their states’ election laws through “executive fiat or friendly lawsuits, thereby weakening ballot integrity.” The state officials, Paxton writes, “flooded” their states with absentee ballots and “weakened the strongest security measures protecting the integrity of the vote-signature verification and witness requirements.” As a result, Paxton contends, the 2020 election “suffered from significant and unconstitutional irregularities in those four states” – for example, treating voters in Democratic areas more favorably than in other areas. When taken together, Paxton asserts, these flaws make it impossible to know who “legitimately won the 2020 election and threaten to cloud all future elections.”

There is normally no specific timetable for the court to act in such cases, but Paxton explains that the state will seek expedited consideration of its request. He also urges the justices to resolve the dispute without additional briefing, telling them that the issues presented in the case – involving the outcome of the 2020 presidential election – “are neither fact-bound nor complex.”

Texas is normally represented in the U.S. Supreme Court by its solicitor general, Kyle Hawkins, who argued before the court last month in the challenge to the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate. However, Hawkins’ name does not appear on the filing.

Officials in the states being challenged described Texas’ filing as an outlandish stunt with no legal basis. “These continued attacks on our fair and free election system are beyond meritless, beyond reckless,” Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro (D) wrote on Twitter.

“I feel sorry for Texans that their tax dollars are being wasted on such a genuinely embarrassing lawsuit,” Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Kaul (D) wrote. “Texas is as likely to challenge the outcome of the Ice Bowl as it is to overturn the will of Wisconsin voters in the 2020 presidential election.”

Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr (R), who was recently named the new chair of the Republican Attorneys General Association, also brushed off the lawsuit. “With all due respect, the Texas Attorney General is constitutionally, legally and factually wrong about Georgia,” a spokesperson for Carr said, according to The Dallas Morning News.

The justices also heard on Tuesday from Pennsylvania in another long-shot lawsuit seeking to overturn that state’s election results. The state filed its response to a request by Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.) to block the state from certifying the results of the Nov. 3 election. Kelly challenged the state’s expansion of mail-in voting as unconstitutional, but the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that Kelly had waited too long to go to court.

In its filing on Tuesday, Pennsylvania urged the justices to stay out of the dispute, telling them that Kelly was seeking “one of the most dramatic, disruptive invocations of judicial power in the history of the Republic.” Kelly’s claims are “fundamentally frivolous,” Pennsylvania asserted, were not raised or decided below and would ask the court to “constitutionalize huge swaths of state procedural law without any credible basis” to do so.

Gregory

Let's think... besides Justice Thomas, who might not have fond memories of Biden.
Ummm... Alito? not fond
Gorsuch? not fond
Kavanaugh? heee heee
Barrett? narf!

Roberts might take the side a'gin it... to be the author of the majority opinion, and blunt it from what a Thomas or a Gorsuch would write.

D

Release the Kraken!

Walt

I call your kracked and raise you, "unleash HELL!"
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-supreme-court-lawsuit-against-states-election-changes

Automatic SCOTUS .
"Paxton is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to "declare that any electoral college votes cast by such presidential electors appointed in Defendant States Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin are in violation of the Electors Clause and the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and cannot be counted."

Disputes between states are among the few cases of original jurisdiction for the Supreme Court, meaning lower courts cannot first hear the cases. "

fish

Posted by: Walt | 08 December 2020 at 01:35 PM


I call your kracked and raise you, "unleash HELL!"


Todays "D" puppeteer only wants the Kraken released so he can eat it!


NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM...........

Barry Pruett

Well first Doug, I asked you about standing so I don’t know why you are talking about the 14th amendment. Second and as I looked over the complaint, I am not seeing said 14th Amendment argument. Maybe you can find it and discuss

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-12/Texas%20Lawsuit%2012%20-%208-%2020.pdf

Walt

And one for the ol' poll dancer. How bout that????? Even some polled DEMS believe so.
So Emery,, a bipartisan poll says the LIBS are dirty.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/08/poll-47-americans-believe-it-is-likely-democrats-stole-votes-destroyed-trump-ballots/
"A significant portion of Americans believe it is “likely” that Democrats stole votes or destroyed ballots intended for President Donald Trump to “ensure that [former Vice President Joe] Biden would win,” a Rasmussen Reports survey released Monday found.

They were virtually split, with 49 percent saying it is either “not very” or “not at all” likely. However, 47 percent expressed the belief that it was “very” or “somewhat” likely. The two groups are within the +/- 3 percent margin of error, indicating a statistical tie. Four percent remain unsure.

Three-quarters of Republicans believe it is likely that Democrats either stole votes or destroyed Trump ballots to assist Biden, compared to 25 percent of Democrats who feel the same way."

Bill Tozer

You can get a three pack of ballots on Amazon for $14.99

RXCross

"breitbart is moderately reputable." that has got to be the joke of the day..

In other news the SCOTUS has rejected without comment the GOP's frivolous lawsuit seeking to reverse the Pennsylvania election. Go figure.


classic GOP strategy: using the slogan "stop the steal" when, in fact, that is exactly what trumpler is trying to do. One can always tell what the latest republican scam is by taking notice of what they are accusing their enemies of doing. Classic Karl Rove, attack your opponents from your greatest weakness to deflect attention away from yourselves.

Paul Emery

What's next Barry?

T%hose of you that have dumped bucks to Trump are seeing you money being thrown away. Supreme Court today tossed his losing case:

CNN)The Supreme Court on Tuesday denied a request from Pennsylvania Republicans to block certification of the commonwealth's election results, delivering a near fatal blow to the GOP's long-shot bid to invalidate President-elect Joe Biden's victory.
The Supreme Court's action is a crushing loss for Trump, who suggested as late as Tuesday that he thought the justices -- including three of his nominees -- might step in and take his side as he has continually and falsely suggested there was massive voter fraud during the election.
The one-line order was issued with no noted dissents. The court is made up of six conservative justices and three liberals.

Trump appeals to legislatures and Supreme Court in attempt to overturn the election he lost
The justices acted quickly, just after the final brief in the court was filed Tuesday afternoon.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/08/politics/supreme-court-pennsylvania-trump-biden/index.html

Walt

RxBobby The Proggy Press isn't called fake news for nothing.
The court system has a "food chain".
Now what was YOUR position when ALgore was doing the same damned thing?
What did your Queen of the DAMNED say what Biden should do if HE was the one behind in the votes? HummmmMMM?????
Trump is only following Proggy advice. Deal with it.

Walt

CNNLOL Emery?,,, Really? No comment to your beloved POLL outfit? Most of the nation believe the election was RIGGED.
Your Rasmussen says so.

Gregory

rxc 249pm

""breitbart is moderately reputable." that has got to be the joke of the day.."

No joke... Breitbart, unlike rawstory, doesn't make stuff up and ignore reality. You don't like them because of their POV, not their accuracy or honesty.

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 08 December 2020 at 02:33 PM


You can get a three pack of ballots on Amazon for $14.99


How many in each pack? Cuz I wants to dooze lots o votin next we has a lection.


PS - Walt was right....the article he linked to sounded just like you!

fish

Posted by: RXCross | 08 December 2020 at 02:49 PM


I never tire of your thoughtful and incisive commentary.


/tard

D

Bar, you're the lawyer, you tell me.

Where is the federal hook that would make this a case that SCOTUS would bother to look at?
All I see is a bunch of state related stuff that Texas is whining about.

D

WalDoH!is bad at math.

The Biden/Trump votes were split about the same way as the poll numbers believing the election was rigged.
To splain it so you can understand it, A minority of people voted for Trump and a minority of people believe the vote was rigged.

So much for your breaking news, Bozo!

Barry Pruett

Listen Doug. You are the person here making all these prognostications. You said Texas doesn’t have standing to bring this lawsuit. Back it up and tell me why.

Walt

LOL!! Douchey picking a legal fight with a lawyer.
Let me guess... You represent yourself in court too.....

L

Keach @ 1:18 et al- if it helps you understand, by all means continue typing out the 14th Amendment every time you reference it. Equal protection, however, is fairly easy to understand. Texas says its voters are being deprived of their right for their choice to prevail because the defendant states permitted electors to be wrongfully chosen. You can argue all day about that proposition, but you can hardly claim that, if true, it doesn't deprive Texas citizens of their proper say in the outcome of the election. Hope that saves you some typing next time you don't understand a constitutional provision.

L

Sorry Doug, I know thinking is hard...

L

And what does it say that one in seven democrats also believes the election was rigged for Biden? And that doesn't, obviously, include the additional one in seven who, disguised as deep state employees, did the actual thieving.

Barry Pruett

From the complaint Doug

“Through that interest, Plaintiff State suffers an Article III injury when another State violates federal law to affect the outcome of a presidential election.”

Paul Emery

L and Barry P

Why do you think Trumps efforts to flip the election have been such a flop in the Courts? Also why don't have the support of the DOJ or FBI. Any thoughts?

Barry Pruett

Paul. I do have some thoughts on the matter but I am getting ready to watch a movie with my wife and daughter. I will provide a detailed response tonight at some point. Your question is a very good one.

paul emery

No rush Barry

Thanks

Walt

Texas jumps the first hurdle. SCOTUS didn't outright dismiss.
The states have till Thurs. to respond,, says SCOTUS.

When states don't follow their own damned law, it will come back to bite.

paul emery

Link Walt for 6:03?

Walt

Do your own homework Emery. You don't answer any questions as payment for my work.
If you watched REAL news,, you would have gotten the news.

Walt

How soon you Proggys forget. Al Gore took his fight all the way to SCOTUS. Yet you complain when Trump does.

Now how bout those 12 uncounted ballots) just "found" in a drawer?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/officials-find-12-uncounted-ballots-in-a-drawer-in-race-where-gop-challenger-leads-by-a-dozen-votes
"A New York Supreme Court justice said that election officials have found 12 uncounted ballots in a drawer that could affect a race where the GOP congressional candidate holds a slim 12-vote lead.

“WOW: Justice DelConte casually mentions an additional 12 ballots were found in Chenango County in a drawer last week,” said local CBS reporter Josh Rosenblatt on Twitter. “This is on top of the 55 ballots I reported were found last week, now making it 67 found ballots.”"

So LIBS will "keep finding" ballots till they have enough to win.

Just like a few years ago down in our Central Valley.

George Rebane

We should all note that the courts are turning down the fraud filings, not because they give substantive reasons or counter-evidence, but simply on the technicalities involved because they can. And at least half the people in the land know this - and the pressure builds.

paul emery

George

You say courts turn down fraud filings "simply on the technicalities ".

Where do you get that information? The appeal to the supreme court was simply turned down with no details expressed. Here is their total statement:

"TUESDAY, DECEMBER 8, 2020ORDER IN PENDING CASE 20 A98 KELLY, MIKE, ET AL. V. PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied."

So where do you get the idea it was turned down because of "technicalities" when there are no details cited?

https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120820zr_bq7d.pdf

Don Bessee

The real game is in play oh great pony tail of ignorance , SCOTUS has given the 4 states sued by Texas a Thursday deadline to respond.

;-)

D

Lar, sorry, equal protection won't fly. Some states gerrymander differently - it's a state issue.
But according to you, SCOTUS should invalidate those votes.
States have different requirements for how to vote: days, hours, numbers of voting locations - state's rights again.
Sorry Lar, you are all washed up.

Walt

Don.... Come'on man!!!,, Emery needs a LINK! He can't do his own look'n.

His hero Gore got shot down through the court system as well to get to SCOTUS.. (just to get shot down.)

Funny,, Emery won't even acknowledge the games of Gore.
Poor Emery.. Trump is only following The Queen of the DAMNED playbook.
Remember Emery? Puglosi wanted Biden to "never coincide" if he was behind.. so what's the issue Emery? LIBs sure seem they have something to hide. Plenty of canned excuses in play, No names to the conspirators in that video. Are Ballots always stashed under a table? Stored in drawers and forgotten about? Delivered in the dead of night when the doors are closed? Oh.. And "lost" memory sticks... That turn up when the count ain't in Biden's favor.

Still waiting for your factual proof of "no voter fraud".
Your the one who kept saying it doesn't exist.
Yet a good portion of the nation say otherwise.

So tell us just how your all for "free and fair" elections.

Our state Dept would never buy this election if it were in Venezuela or Cuba.

Funny,, it was vote in person in Iraq and get a purple finger to show you voted.. But not here.... WHY EMERY WHY?????

Walt

D- needs to present his law degree. You get it from a Lucky Charms box or Fruit Loops?

Walt

OK D-,, care to give us a list of which states the Constitution is just a set of guidelines? To be ignored at will?
I guess you missed the part where SCOTUS didn't kick it to the curb outright.
Seems you never get tired of being wrong.

Barry Pruett

As far as the FBI and the DOJ go, typically they’re not gonna say anything while they’re investigating. So Bill Barr saying to date they haven’t seen anything really isn’t a big deal, because to date so far no widespread fraud enough to change the election. And frankly, no Trump supporter is gonna trust the FBI or the DOJ as far as they can throw them at this point after the last four years of Russia bullshit.

As far as the cases before the court, there are a lot of them. I think like 53. You have to understand that standing in these cases can be very difficult. I’m not a constitutional expert by any stretch of the imagination but I do know that obtaining standing on some of these cases related to elections is very difficult if you’re not the candidate. And Trump I think only brought like four cases or three. You can’t go to court in any case unless you have standing. Even if you can hurtle the standing issue, now you’re trying to get into factual discrepancies in a very short timeframe. In the civil cases that I try, I have over a year to develop the facts. These people are trying to develop facts in three weeks. The best bet is to have standing and argue that the constitution was violated as a matter of law by these swing states. And that’s what the Texas case is trying to do.

My wife and I have talked about this quite a bit over the last month. What we’ve kind of come up with and what we think is going to happen is as follows.

I think the supreme courts going to hear the Texas versus Pennsylvania case. I think they’re going to find that Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Michigan all had significant problems with their election with fraud and with lack of ballot security. If Texas has standing which is a decent if, I think they’re going to find that in these same states members of the executive branch of government infringed on the legislative plenary power granted to the legislators by the constitution in choosing the electors for president. I don’t think the Supreme Court is going to dictate who won. I don’t think that’s a remedy that the Supreme Court can fashion under the Constitution nor should it. I think the Supreme Court, if they even hear this case, will throw it back to the state legislatures for them to figure it out under article 2 of the constitution. Article 2 of the constitution grants this plenary power to the state legislatures. There are supreme court cases that state that the state legislatures can take back the power at any moment prior to the inauguration of the president even if they had delegated their article 2 authority to the people of their state. The constitution already provides the solution to this issue. Either the state legislatures can choose to exercise their plenary power or they choose not to. And that’s where the rubber meets the road.

paul emery

Thanks Barry for your thoughtful response. I'll have some ideas to toss back to you but not tonight.

Barry Pruett

Doug. Comparing the election to gerrymandering is just weird. Each state can have different election laws so long as they don’t violate the constitution. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land to which nothing can be added or subtracted without an amendment to the same. That said, an executive branch must follow the laws enacted by the state legislature in choosing electors for the president. The plenary power to elect electors who will intern vote for the President of the United States is granted to the state legislatures under article 2 of the constitution. The executive branch in the state cannot usurped this grant of power from the legislatures by expanding on the laws enacted by these legislatures. And that’s the problem. Who knows how it will turn out but it is a very intriguing and novel constitutional argument. It’s definitely a case of first impression.

paul emery

Ho Hum

Another Trump loss. This is getting boring. This time it's the Arizona Supreme court.

"IT IS ORDEREDaffirming the trial court decision and confirming the election of the Biden Electors under A.R.S. § 16-676(B)."

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/AscDecisionOrder-3939735-0.pdf

NC Right Wing Watch

Paul, it is beyond absurd. Neither the Supreme Court nor the Congress is never going to disinfranchise 81 million voters, the all time record. Never. It is OVER. Over. Is this clear yet to you and Pruett? OVER. Joe Biden, President of the USA. The American flag can fly once again.

Gregory Goodknight, as for you, you remain that famous ignoramous after your comment about the "evil genius" AG from Texas. Evil, yes. Genius? Hardly. Guy is under indictment for securities fraud and under FBI investigation for corruption. Yes he is on the make for one of those Trump Pardons. Its so obvious and he totally pnked you. But its not the first time. lol. You are on a total roll this year.
I doubt Yeager ever crashed a tiny little plane due to an obvious vapor lock condition. If he did, he never had to look up what it was afterward. Greg you are just not bright. Nothing wrong with that, you would be in fine company here with Walt and Todd.

Over and Out. For now. Always vigilant of Fascists.

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