Voter Fraud 6.0 ... until the fat lady sings (updated)

George Rebane

I asked this question of BarryP - "BarryP 549pm - don't the states have an argument for being aggrieved by the federally unconstitutional and/or purposive violation of state election laws that may/will foster an outcome of that state's election which on the federal level then illegally weighs against the legitimate voters of the aggrieved state? That is plenty of evidence for 'suffering harm' that supports the plaintiff state's standing with SCOTUS. What am I missing here?"  Barry said the answer was a long one and wanted to know where to post it.  My question is seminal, so I'm asking Barry to email me his answer, and I'll post right here for all to read.

Everyone else, please continue your election fraud relevant comment threads from 'Voter Fraud 5.0' hereunder.

[Worth repeating the 10dec20 update to Voter Fraud 5.0] Now here’s a shot in the shorts of all those on the Left telling the nation a slew of Big Lies about the integrity of the Dominion (Vote Editing) Software.  ‘Election Supervisor Shows on Video How Dominion Software Allows Changing, Adding Votes’.  This should renew some interest in the courts now chewing on election fraud suits.  The evidence tsunami is of historical proportions.  I know of no legal battle fought in my lifetime in which the plaintiffs have had such a profusion of evidence.

[update] Barry Pruett emailed me the following in answer to my question above.

George. Your comment regarding state election laws and not following them is definitely on point.

The problem is how the courts of the United States function. Generally speaking at both state and federal level, there are two different types of issues. There are factual issues, and there are legal issues. State trial courts and federal district courts are courts that deal with both of these issues. The jury in these courts or the judge must hear evidence and then make factual findings of what is true.  The trial court then applies these findings to the law in order to make a determination and a final adjudication.  

In my trials, we present evidence to the court, the court makes their findings of what the truth is, and then the judge applies those facts to the law and makes a final ruling.  This trial process takes years, and the litigants herein are trying to jam this process into the matter of four weeks. It is simply not possible.

In any event, (if) a litigant does not like the ruling and would like to appeal, (then) the litigant can always appeal to the state appeals court or to the circuit court depending on whether the case is a state court or a federal court, respectively. The appeals court takes the facts as found and established by the trial court and then re-applies them to the law. The appeals court is not a court set up to hear evidence or to make new factual findings, as that function is a function of the trial court. 

After the appeals court reads the briefs of the parties and after argument, the appeals court makes a ruling as to the law and whether the trial court followed the law when it applied the facts that the trial court found. 

If the litigant again believes that the appeals court misapplied the facts (as found by the trial court) to the law and arrived at the incorrect result, the litigant can request the supreme court of the state or of the United States to review the appeals court ruling. This is called a petition for writ of certiorari.  While litigants are entitled to one appeal, most litigants are not entitled to review by either the state supreme court or the Supreme Court without permission of that court. Supreme courts are selective in the cases that they review and will only review cases that affect state constitutional law or federal constitutional law.  If supreme court grants certiorari, then the court will hear of the matter, and the court will apply the facts (as found by the trial court) to the law and make a ruling.  The process from beginning litigation, having a trial, having two appeals and getting a ruling from a Supreme Court can take five years.  It simply isn’t reasonable to have a trial on this matter in three weeks. It’s not possible.

On that backdrop, the Supreme Court has a problem with this case. This case is a case of original jurisdiction. Original jurisdiction means the Supreme Court is the first court and the only court to which states can go when they sue each other.  This original jurisdiction creates a problem for the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is not equipped to have a jury trials or to sort out the facts of the case and make factual findings. What we have right now is Texas making factual and legal allegations against four other states. The four other states are denying the factual allegations of Texas. So the question becomes what is the Supreme Court supposed to do. Who is the Supreme Court supposed to believe?  Does the supreme court appoint a trial judge (who) has a special master to determine the facts?  Clearly the supreme court’s not going to have a trial on the merits. That’s not how the Supreme Court functions.

And even if the Supreme Court did appoint a special master or a special trial judge to sort out the facts, what remedy can the Supreme Court fashion?  After they sorted out the facts and apply those facts to the law and potentially determined that, yes, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Georgia fraudulently violated the electors’ clause in the Constitution in the way that they conducted their election, now what?  I believe it would be within the power of the Supreme Court to decertify the elections in those four states but only after they’ve made adequate factual findings.  I think some of the issues however are strictly legal. The state law says elections are to be conducted in X manner, but the executive officers of the states conducted the election in X plus Y manner. It is in writing, and it’s easily identifiable. The allegations of fraud are extraordinarily factual and would almost require testimony to be able to be determined. The question becomes whether the state executive officers unconstitutionally conducted the election and did it affect the outcome?  Can anyone even know that?  In any event, article II of the Constitution provides that the state legislatures shall make the rules and the laws in connection with electing electors for the state. State law says elections are to be conducted in X manner but the executive officers of the state conducted the election and X plus Y manner, then the executive officers violated the Constitution. 

Is Texas affected by this violation of the Constitution? Certainly they’re affected. Their choice for president when they had a legal election is affected by the other states having an illegal election. 

So now what’s the remedy?  The only constitutional remedy is for the state legislators to determine who the correct electors are for each state or whether that can even be determined. Because the power of the state legislature is found in the constitution, the Supreme Court can’t order the state legislature to do anything. The state legislatures power is plenary, and the Supreme Court can’t do anything about that.

I believe that the Supreme Court will dump this back to the state legislatures and tell them to figure this mess out. The Constitution gives the state legislatures the responsibility and duty to figure out this mess, and it is not for the Supreme Court to nullify or de-certify an election without a well-developed factual basis. 

The Supreme Court can assert that the timelines (as) established by Congress are unconstitutional. Legislation cannot add or take away from the dictates of the constitution. The only date in the constitution that is a hard deadline is January 20. The Supreme Court will probably give the state legislature some time to figure out this mess, and then dump it back to them to figure it out.

Again, trying to figure out what the Supreme Court will do at any given moment it’s like reading tea leaves. I hope this provides some background about how the system works and where we’re at right now.  Barry

Comments

[George Rebane]

To PaulE (continuing from the previous 'Voter Fraud ...') You would have to be a recent arrival from Mars not to know that certain states had their governors and secstates issue extra-legal directives that went counter to their election laws passed by their legislatures, the only bodies in the states allowed by the Constitution to make election laws. That’s how, and the only way, the states are to implement federalism and determine their own election processes. No such state has bothered to contend that evidence for the simple reason that it’s all in the public record.

And the argument that there’s no reason to pursue a remedy for those illegal election directives passed both before and after the election, because they wouldn’t change the outcome is a moot ruling issued through fiat by our corrupt courts. Such an argument 1) has no bearing on the legality of the election, and 2) the courts have no evidence that the outcome would not have been changed had the states conducted legal elections by following their own election laws passed by their legislatures as required by the Constitution.

All this has been explained to you before in these comment streams and my commentaries. Apparently none of it has stuck, and the future does not look promising.

[Walt]

AZ. wants in on the action TOO!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/11/arizona-gop-takes-election-case-supreme-court-found-evidence/

And this for the Nevada City "media".
“The media loves to say, ‘Show us the evidence.’ We found evidence, but then, we didn’t have enough time to do more discovery because they kept that evidence locked up,” the Arizona GOP chairwoman said.

[D]

Worth repeating, George conveniently forgets that Dominion systems have been around since Trump somehow won in the swing states in 2016. Hugo Chavez, dead since 2013, is rumored to have hacked the machines - so Trumpists could have hacked that election.
Does George naively believe that there would be no electronic markers on the drives that would indicate changes being made to any machines?

[D]

George, where is your evidence that this is true,
"federally unconstitutional and/or purposive violation of state election laws that may/will foster an outcome of that state's election"?

...and whatever happened to "state's rights"?

[George Rebane]

D 1055am - You don't have to respond to 'George'; respond to the citations that I and others provide. Have no idea what your 1058am is about.

[D]

George, "[10dec20 update] Now here’s a shot in the shorts of all those on the Left telling the nation a slew of Big Lies about the integrity of the Dominion (Vote Editing) Software. ‘Election Supervisor Shows on Video How Dominion Software Allows Changing, Adding Votes’. This should renew some interest in the courts now chewing on election fraud suits. The evidence tsunami is of historical proportions. I know of no legal battle fought in my lifetime in which the plaintiffs have had such a profusion of evidence."

My 1055am is about this post.

My 1058 is about this post,

"I asked this question of BarryP - "BarryP 549pm - don't the states have an argument for being aggrieved by the federally unconstitutional and/or purposive violation of state election laws that may/will foster an outcome of that state's election which on the federal level then illegally weighs against the legitimate voters of the aggrieved state? That is plenty of evidence for 'suffering harm' that supports the plaintiff state's standing with SCOTUS. What am I missing here?" Barry said the answer was a long one and wanted to know where to post it. My question is seminal, so I'm asking Barry to email me his answer, and I'll post right here for all to read."

[D]

George, this should interest you. BTW, I assume you do know that the latest Trumplican knight in shining armor, the Texas AG is under indictment for fraud, don't you?

"The suit uses statistical arguments that statisticians called ‘comical.’

Paxton’s filing repeatedly cites an analysis by an economist in California that statisticians have said is nonsensical. Biden’s chances of winning the four battleground states in question, the analysis says, were “less than one in a quadrillion.”

The economist, Charles J. Cicchetti, who donated to Trump’s campaign in 2016, arrived at the minuscule probability by purporting to use the results of the 2016 election as a backstop. His flawed reasoning was this: If Biden had received the same number of votes as Hillary Clinton did in 2016, he wrote, a victory would have been all but impossible.

But Biden, of course, did not receive the same number of votes as Clinton; he received over 15 million more. Nor would any candidate be expected to receive the same number of votes as a previous candidate.

That one-in-a-quadrillion figure has echoed across social media and was promoted by the White House press secretary. But an array of experts have said that the figure and Cicchetti’s analysis are easily refutable.

Stephen Ansolabehere, a professor of government at Harvard University who runs its election data archive, called this analysis “comical.”

The analysis omitted a number of obvious, relevant facts, he said: “the context of the elections are different, that a COVID pandemic is going on, that people reach different conclusions about the administration, that Biden and Clinton are different candidates.”

By the same logic and formula, if Trump had received an equal number of votes in 2020 as he did in 2016, there is also a one in a quadrillion chance that Trump in 2020 would outperform his totals in 2016, said Stephen C. Preston, a professor of mathematics at Brooklyn College. “But that doesn’t prove Trump cheated, it just shows that the numbers are different,” he said. “It’s like finding a low probability that 2 equals 3.”

Cicchetti also wrote that votes counted earlier in the process and votes counted later favored different candidates, and that there was “a one in many more quadrillions chance” that votes counted in the two time periods were coming from the same groups of voters.

But that is exactly what was expected to happen: Democrats tended to prefer voting by mail, and those ballots were counted later in the four battleground states, while Republicans tended to prefer voting in person on Election Day, and those ballots were counted earlier.

“The order and tempo of vote counting was unlike previous elections,” said Amel Ahmed, a professor of political science at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.

What Cicchetti wrote was not especially revelatory, experts agreed.

“The model is silly,” said Philip Stark, a professor of statistics at the University of California at Berkeley. “This is not science or statistics. It’s not even a good cartoon of elections.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-reasons-texas-election-case-131211578.html

[Bill Tozer]

Worth repeating. Two of Dominain's computer chips that connect directly to the master machine mother ship were stolen in 2019. Stolen. Gone. Disappeared. Long time no come see.
Use any jardon you want (moi not a techie), be it sticks or master code or the master software or hardware...Domian previously confided that two of the master dohickies disappeared in 2019 and they do not know who done it. Could have Mr. Green in the libary with a candlestick.

Not worth repeating. Anything done before 2019 when the chips from 'The Brain' mysteriously went missing and never found again is a moot point.

Somebody put their hand in cookie jar in 2019 and now the jar is a couple cookies short.

D, do continue to tell us more about Chavez, Bernie's idiol. Or was that Castro? They all look alike to me.

[D]

BillyBoy, your gal Sidney Powell and her gal pal Rudy are your Chavez sources.

Not techie are you?

"Anything done before 2019 when the chips from 'The Brain' mysteriously went missing and never found again is a moot point"

Says who? That statement is about as comical as Fraudster Texas AG's statistical arguments.

[Walt]

Yaa,, D-,, missing master keys ain't no big deal,,, right?
OHHHhhhh the dirty deeds that can be done(and most likely DID)
Just swap them out when no one is looking. I know,,, your cool with that. By any means to get Trump out......

[D]

WalDoH! You and BillyBoy need to link to your sources. What "master keys" are you talking about? And what "master dohickies" is BillyBoy talking about?
And what do these mysterious items do?

[Walt]

Not our problem you don't pay attention. Who do you think you are???,,,,, EMERY? Do your own homework.
Try something else, other than the DailyKlan.

[D]

WalDoH! Looks like you and Billyboy read the same Parler/Rumble post.

[D]

So many new states are joining in on the Texas lawsuit. Just goes to show the lawsuit is a joke.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163506/20201211114620451_Amicus%202020-12-11.pdf

[Bill Tozer]

“So many new states are joining in on the Texas lawsuit. Just goes to show the lawsuit is a joke“
Hmmm. As Emily Dickerson penned, “I heard a fly buzz when I died.”
——-
Well boys, is this our Alamo, our last stand, or is this the sound of many horses approaching with riders crying out, “Remember the Alamo!? Band of Brothers just got bigger.

Pennsylvania state legislators file amicus brief in support of Texas election suit

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pennsylvania-state-legislators-file-amicus-brief-in-support-of-texas-election-suit

[George Rebane]

D 1055am - What does the longevity of the systems have to do with their being misused this time? And you have no idea in what state the systems were left in after their 'election duties' were completed. That includes overwriting memory and other special caches with random 0/1 patterns. Perhaps that is what the FBI et al forensic people are puzzling over. Apparently you didn't notice the demonstration of how easy it is to monkey with Dominion machines.

D 1255pm - And we all breathlessly await your logic for that statement.

[paul emery]

Poor Fat Lady, she is called backed for an Encore. No surprise here. Trump knew it was going to lose but it's a great fund raising scam. Unanimous from a Supreme court that has three Trump appointees. what an embarassment for the Repubs.

“The Supreme Court on Friday rejected an audacious lawsuit by Texas that had asked the court to throw out the presidential election results in four battleground states captured by President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.,” The New York Times reported Friday. “The court, in a brief unsigned order, said Texas lacked standing to pursue the case, saying it ‘has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another state conducts its elections.'”

“The move, coupled with a one-sentence order on Tuesday turning away a similar request from Pennsylvania Republicans, signaled that the court has refused to be drawn into President Trump’s losing campaign to overturn the results of the election last month,” the newspaper reported."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/us/politics/supreme-court-election-texas.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

[Barry Pruett]

“The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot. Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins: In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___ (Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.“

And here is the Supreme Court’s denial of leave to file the bill of complaint.

Art. II of the Constitution gives the power to the states to appoint electors. Period. If they want to exercise their power which is plenary, all they gotta do is take it back. Even if the Supreme Court did hear the Texas case, what remedy can they fashion when the exclusive power to appoint electors lies with the state legislatures? The result isn’t any different than what we talked about above

[Walt]

Shit........ OK,, next election we can play by LIB rules.
Cheating has been deemed "just fine".
Sure take the Neocom's assertion that SCOTUS was in the Right's pocket.

[Walt]

"Sixty-eight percent of Republicans believe the election was stolen from President Trump.

Among Trump voters, 77 percent think he actually won. And, so do 26 percent of independents and even 10 percent of Democrats.

That’s according to the latest Fox News national survey of registered voters."

FOX POLL.

[D]

George at 242pm - hard to say if you read the motion I linked to but it is on behalf of ({[NEW]}}) California and the({[NEW]}}) Nevada State.

Is that the wannabe state of Jefferson?

[D]

George at 242pm - yes, much of the data from the hacking of the machines during 2016 is probably overwritten.

[D]

Well Boys, is that the Fat Lady's dulcet tones I hear?

[Walt]

Douchey is filling his Depends with glee.
Not even you will be immune from what's bound to be coming.
#lotsofluckAmerica.

[D]

WalDoH!, I tried to tell the Circle of Jays but, due to their brainwashing by Trump, they wouldn't listen.

[Bill Tozer]

Well Walt, we are happy warriors and we will fight on. We may not be happy right this moment, but after a moment of disappointment followed by a moment of reflection to wrap our heads around what a Harris-Obama -Biden Administration have in store for us, we will again happy warriors.

Just when I was glad that the Trump Administration had fixed the unconstitutional gross civil rights and civil liberties violations, Biden announced he is going to do away with fix to Title IX.
Guilty before innocence and always presumed guilty....of violating Social Justice arbitrary PC rules.

‘Biden’s Pledge to Repeal DeVos’s Title IX Fix Is Misguided and Hypocritical‘

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/bidens-pledge-to-repeal-devoss-title-ix-fix-is-misguided-and-hypocritical/

About voter fraud, it is real, it is widespread, and it was targeted and applied against the Swing States to steal an election. Now with Biden in, the issues of remedies to fraud and dealing with future elections will be buried under conspiracy theories and Trump lost, and things will get back to Lefty normal, ie, voter fraud goes not exist. That’s just Russia misinformation....information used by Brennan to distract from China on the eve of the 2020 election. Even Leon Panetta signed the letter about this new Russian conspiracy. Back to normal...

“‘Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say’

“More than 50 former senior intelligence officials have signed on to a letter outlining their belief that the recent disclosure of emails allegedly belonging to Joe Biden’s son “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

The letter, signed on Monday, centers around a batch of documents released by the New York Post last week that purport to tie the Democratic nominee to his son Hunter’s business dealings. Under the banner headline “Biden Secret E-mails,” the Post reported......”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

ROFLMAO. Too funny. Hunter’s e-mails are Russian propaganda! That’s not what the FBI says. Only former employees of the Obama Administration are saying it’s all fake. It’s da Russians, not look at the Chinese! Fight on, my brothers.

[fish]

A hearty and genuine congratulations to the incoming Harris administration!

[paul emery]

Walt

Only 36% of all voters believe the election was rigged. That's about the number that believe Trump is indeed the Second Coming of you know who.

[Gregory]

About half of voters think the election was rigged, Punch.

And virtually all Democrats have spent the last four years baselessly attributing Hillary's loss to a conspiracy between Trump and Putin.

There's still about 40 days left before Trump might leave the orifice.

[Barry Pruett]

“What the Supreme Court seems to be telling us is that, whether there is systematic voter fraud or not, this is a problem that each state has to resolve within its own jurisdiction.” Dinesh D’Souza. Agreed. It is up to the state legislatures.

[RXCross]

What the Supreme Court seems to be telling us is that Tump lost the election fair and square and all of his attempts to steal the election are farcial at best and downright dangerous in the least and anyone (who from this point forward will be down as 'trumpanzies') who supports his chasing of windmills is just as daft as trump is. What do you folks not get about what amounts to a coup attempt by republican lawmakers? That is what all of the absurd failed lawsuits tell any sane person, not to mention SCOTUS who agree.

[paul emery]

Gregory

what poll did you look at to come to that "nearly half" number. Fox poll shows 36%. Also this poll shows 35%

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/529476-fewer-than-one-quarter-of-republicans-trust-election-results-poll

[L]

Thomas and Alito performed as expected. The Trump trio apparently decided they'd not be the ones to unleash Antifa and BLM on the public.

They also, at the start of their careers on SCOTUS, declined to have a target painted on their backs in a country where 20% of the public would cheerfully see them deat and about 5% of the Dim paramilitary would be willing to pull the trigger.

It would be easy (and correct) to accuse them of cowardice, but I doubt that I'd do differently. Thomas and Alito are willing to die on this hill, the newbies aren't ready to die at all.

In fairness, they may have also reasoned that by excusing the court on a simple technicality they make it less likely the Dims will pack the court. I think they'll do it at the first chance anyway, but they might have different ideas...

[Scott O]

fish 5:35 - Or as I put it - Biden and Harris will be 'CO-POTUS'.
At least for a while. We all notice that the Hunter and Biden familia business scandal is starting to ease it's way into the LSNews.
The Dems can be rid of Joe and be able to blame it on the R's "unrelenting and false attacks on Joe's family". Win - win for the Dems.
Now.
Who will they pick for Harris's veep?
How about Stacey Abrams?
Now stop laughing - Harris will need some insurance to keep her gig.

[D]

Sorry Scott/TP, The Biden "scandal" is only in the minds of brainwashed Trumpublicans who are a laughingstock now.

[NCRWW]

Hey Larry Wirth, do you realize you exposed yourself as a total idiot in the last couple weeks. Legal expert, expert on everything. Days of hard analysis, faking it in attempting to look like some genius. Sure Lar. You and Barry best slink back with your tails between your legs. And add Gregory Goodknight to your group of absolute frauds.

Idiot.

As we have been saying, IT IS OVER.

Always Monitoring and Exposing The Right Wing.

[D]

Sad, but Lar still lives in a Dreamworld where he is always right, trying to deny that he is the fool.

[NCRWW]

Paul,
Goodknight just makes up shit. But you already know this. There is no poll with 50% thinking the election rigged. None.

And he is a super snowflake as well. Easily triggered, actually instantly triggered upon mention of his very checkered flying career.

[Scott O]

RXX 6:38 - "What do you folks not get about what amounts to a coup attempt by republican lawmakers?"
Filing briefs in court is a 'coup attempt'??!!
You lefty maroons might want to to brush up just a bit on your world political history.
"coup attempt".
This from the brave fainting couch soldiers who swooned over every breathless (and baseless BS) lefty rumor about the latest non-atrocity fabricated about Trump.
You wanted Biden/Harris and now you're going to choke on it for the next 4 years.
Enjoy!

[NCRWW]

Yes, a coup attempt Scottzo. You ask- what is there to choke on? Choke on this Scottzo, the Trump "legacy" will be erased and the Trump Crime Family is going down in NYC. And the USA is back baby. I can fly my flag again on the 21st of January.

Speaking of going down, Sidney Powell would fit the bill. In fact she is up shitz creek without a paddle. Fake witnesses are usually frowned upon by the Judiciary in America.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/sidney-powell-spider-spyder-witness/2020/12/11/0cd567e6-3b2a-11eb-98c4-25dc9f4987e8_story.html

[Scott O]

Leftys at 6:54, 6:56, 6:57 - Look guys, I'm sorry you now have to try to defend voting for an openly racist senile old man and the woman who couldn't even do well in the primary of her own state.
We note that instead of happily celebrating you are more sour and bitter than ever with your idiot ramblings.
You all have TDS and it looks permanent.
Trump will reside inside your brains forever laughing at you.

[Todd Juvinall]

Looks like the fake news is now on the Biden case. The Biden crime family has been as good as a mafia family for a long time. Millions of dollars from China and the "big guy" got his cut. When Biden is booted for corruption along with Swalwell and Feinstein, Kami will take over a turn the country over to the Chicoms. Quite the plan the dems put into play. As far as the SCOTUS they said Texas had no standing and did not hear any evidence on the frauds. There are still some suits in play but it appears the swamp has prevailed. So we better win Georgia Senate seats and pray that Biden stays alive for the next four years or the country is toast.

[Scott O]

ncrww - "I can fly my flag again on the 21st of January."
Oh please - an over sized, urine soaked, size XXXX Fruit Of The Loom?
Think of the neighbors.

[Scott O]

Todd 7:14 - "Biden stays alive..."
Wait - Biden's alive?

[D]

How about that lyin' Ted Cruz? Trump called his wife ugly, insulted him right and left, and he is such a brown noser he was going to take that Texas case to the Supremes. Just another brainwashed fool.

[Don Bessee]

Note to troll - Paul,
Goodknight just makes up shit. But you already know this. There is no poll with 50% thinking the election rigged -

A significant portion of Americans believe it is “likely” that Democrats stole votes or destroyed ballots intended for President Donald Trump to “ensure that [former Vice President Joe] Biden would win,” a Rasmussen Reports survey released Monday found.

Rasmussen Reports conducted the survey December 3-6, 2020, among 1,000 likely voters and asked respondents, “How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win?”

They were virtually split, with 49 percent saying it is either “not very” or “not at all” likely. However, 47 percent expressed the belief that it was “very” or “somewhat” likely. The two groups are within the +/- 3 percent margin of error, indicating a statistical tie. Four percent remain unsure.

You were saying foolio?

;-)

[D]

Give it up Bessee. A significant portion of Americans voted for the Fired One. Most of same number think he won. Which just goes to show you that it's easier to believe lies you want to believe than it is to accept the truth.

[Gregory]

RWW 657PM

i never just make stuff up... You're the one who hides behind a dirty sock. "NCRWW" you are a blowhard.

i was referring to the rasmussen numbers... 47% indeed about half.

And none of you touched this claim of mine... "And virtually all Democrats have spent the last four years baselessly attributing Hillary's loss to a conspiracy between Trump and Putin."

[D]

Poor Trump is crying in his soup.

"At the White House Christmas Party, guests were informed about 10 minutes ago that the president won't be joining them to make remarks."

[D]

The post Trumpublican plan,

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1337544491906052098?s=19

[Walt]

Fill those Depends Douchey!
Hope you have enough with the lockdown.
Christmas? It's barn cat for you this time.. Thank your LIBS.

Wait.. The Kung Flu was supposed to just go away once Biden was elected...Uh,,, what happened?

Enjoy paying more once President Harris raises those low taxes Trump gave ya.
Oh.. Yes.. The war on fuel is coming soon too. ENJOY!!

[Don Bessee]

So the troll can not admit it was a lie that there were none or is it just ignorance? LOL

;-)

[L]

I take a break to live in the real world and you lefties come in and shit all over the floor? Since I have no idea who NeCRosisWW is, it's difficult to respond in kind, that is ad hom. Don't be ashamed, identify yourself...

One more time: A classic coup began with Comey letting HRC walk on a few thousand felonies and its been going on since, culminating in a blatantly stolen election, the outcome of which we won't actually KNOW for months to come. Proof of said theft will be amply forthcoming over the same few months. The story continues.

[L]

If I'm calling shots, the best approach is to shotgun the Hunter hard drive all over the planet and then do nothing. Let the Dims explain zackly what's going on here. No reason for the Republicans to get their hands dirty. Should be fun to watch...How long can Slojo last?

[NCRWW]

Hey Big Larry Wirth, you sound drunk tonight. No one likes a Drunk Loser. You LOST! It is over. Feel free to keep babbling on if you like. It is funny to see.

Losers! ah ha ha ha ha

[L]

Sample question- "We know how Trump became a millionaire (he was born one), how did you, Mr. Biden, become one? (No fair asking Hunter) Heh.

[Walt]

So Nevada City fats has waddled in.
So you Commiecrats made a deal with satan. It's the only way you managed to cheat to win.

Place your bets! will Biden even get sworn in? The scandal of his brother AND Son is what Harris is counting on.
The Socialist Democrat party wants the full control Biden has to go. Hid did his job as straw man. His services are no longer needed.

Can you see the difference already? Trump took the battle head on and answered the press questions for hours.
Biden,, is like Emermy. "I ain't answering anything."
"I'm proud of my boy" canned response as he is whisked off by his handlers, is SO pathetic. Real Prezidential.

Then the Chinese fortune cookie spies infesting the LIBs is going over well. Now don't forget how your Queen of the DEMNED ,, approved. "I knew all about it".

OH YES.. Your running of the nation will work out SOOOooo swell. The train wreck has started already.
#Goodbye sweet America,,Goodbye.

The revolution in Cuba was supposed to free the people... Ya? How did that work out?

[L]

Necro- Sorry I scared the crap outta you guys, but get over it. I'm still laughing...

[Bill Tozer]

Yep, it’s O-Drunk-Thirty time again for NC Fat Watch. The projections are flowing now. Lack of self awareness is the common denominator from our Lefty friends in the dark shadows . If anyone sounds drunk, it ain’t L.

At least NC Food Wing Watcher spoke the truth for once. Projection has a way of subconsciously doing that. Still, I take truth where I can find it.:

“No one likes a Drunk Loser”. Those are the perfect words to be placed on his tombstone.

[Barry Pruett]

NC Food Wing Watcher is not a serious person. Serious people discuss issues and try to find common ground. My buddy from Nevada city is anything but that. 😂

[D]

Can't wait to see Trump dragged out of the White House in handcuffs.

[L]

Keach @ 7:08- Now, you know nothing of the sort is going to happen and y9u probably also know his taxes have been subject to a proctology exam for the last thirty years, so why are you so miserable?

Is it because you actually know the truth and are ashamed to have to deny it for your party cred? You guys sure don't sound like you think much of what you "won".

[L]

Why not regale us with your expectations of the wonderful Admin just ahead- New taxes, Climate fascism, green New bankruptcies, cheap brown labor pouring into Cali while the earners pour out, etc?

[Walt]

Lets resurrect a famous quote when this happened the LAST time.

"They stole it fair and square" -Richard Nixon 1960

[D]

We will see Lar. We will see. But is will be like a breath of fresh air to have the Trumps gone from government.
I got a kick out of the lead in to this Daily Beast article. BTW, you pal keachie is over on the Covid thread in case you want to stop by and say hi.

"We’d like you to leave on a bus or a plane/Or hop in the mail, or get on the train/Or like the snowflake you are, fly off into snow/We do not care where, we just want you to go.

Erin Gloria Ryan
Updated Dec. 12, 2020 3:00AM ET / Published Dec. 11, 2020 11:37PM ET
Go fuck yourself!

Today ain’t your day."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/oh-the-places-ivanka-trump-wont-go?ref=home&utm_source=web_push

You’re out of the White House!

[Bill Tozer]

Let’s see what Punchy’s doll has to say on the matter

‘Voter Fraud Never Happens! (Except in These 10,000 Cases)‘
Democratic machines have been stealing elections since before the Civil War.

https://patriotpost.us/opinion/76354-voter-fraud-never-happens-except-in-these-10000-cases-2020-12-10?

[paul emery]

Show me investigations, indictments and Court decisions Bill

You're digging in the dustbin of history for truth. Pathetic and sad.

[Barry Pruett]

Question for Paul. Is the government aware of every single financial fraud that happens in the USA? I only say that because you seem to think that the only election fraud that occurs are the people who are caught. If they don’t get caught, you act as though it is not happening. It is an odd position. Of course people get away with it. Saying that fraud does not happen because folks don’t get caught is naive or maybe it is willful ignorance.

[L]

And in the present fraud, we have thousands of sworn statements attesting to having witnessed fraud in differing doses from a few to hundreds. And, as every thinking person must conclude, for every fraudster stupid enough to be observed there are probably fifty or a hundred who are slightly more careful and slip through unnoticed. Adds up fast when the total needed to flip three states is only 40,000.

That of course doesn't even consider the opportunities for computer fraud about which we we will be hearing about in the weeks ahead.

It's also no end of help that the Dims can rely on an endless supply of cheaters already present in the places that count votes- low level operatives of the deep state who know who butters their bread. As long as government workers can be unionized/parasitized by Democrats, that won't change. Imagine, even FDR railed against government unions.

[Todd Juvinall]

Still have major suits in the four or six states where all the cheating by dems took place. We will what happens. Looks like Biden's crime family is being scrutinized and it may not be good fr JOE. But he is still better than Kameltoes.

[Barry Pruett]

Yes Larry. Only the dumb ones get caught. 😂

[Bill Tozer]

Punchy sez:

“Show me investigations, indictments and Court decisions Bill
You're digging in the dustbin of history for truth. Pathetic and sad.”

Oh Punchy, you are speaking to the wrong person. If you have any issues, take it up with Ann Coulter. After all, she is YOUR doll. She said it, not me. And you better be nice to her. Geeze. Some people, I tell ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb8PxjhwsDE

[Walt]

Damn Emery,, Run the next stop sign.. Anything is legal when a cops isn't around.. Right?
No one is speeding right Emery? They are only guilty when the fuzz pulls them over.
C'mon MAN!!!!

[paul emery]

Show me one arrest and indictment for election fraud in this election Barry.

[NCRWW]

Can't Paul. Never will. These right wingers are DEEP into the permanent grasp of the Cult of Trumpism.

Unfortunately their leader is the Ralph Kramden of US Presidents. Both Big Losers, but at least Ralph had some human empathy. Trump possesses not a single positive human value, but these brainwashed followers now think greed, lying and deception is a family value.

Sad sacks.

Over and Out.
Always vigilant for treasonous right wingers in our midst.

[NCRWW]

"And in the present fraud, we have thousands of sworn statements attesting to having witnessed fraud in differing doses from a few to hundreds. And, as every thinking person must conclude, for every fraudster stupid enough to be observed there are probably fifty or a hundred who are slightly more careful and slip through unnoticed."

That is some seriously funny shit, Larry.

[NCRWW]

Hey Barry, the time to discuss the bullshit is long past. There is nothing to discuss. Except to stomp down on the neck of any treasonous right wingers who support the anti American Trump autocracy.

[Ralph Underglass]

⬆️ The trifecta of stupidiy

[D]

ncrww, The MAGAts never understood the meaning of "swing states". It is pretty self-explanatory though. If a state can swing one way to elect Trump, it can swing the other way to elect Biden. That wasn't too hard, was it?

[Walt]

Now just why is Jr. having "Daddy's" keepers do the talking?
https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/12/hunter-biden-subpoena-burisma-china/
"Federal prosecutors subpoenaed Hunter Biden on Tuesday for records for his business dealings with more than two dozen entities, including Ukrainian energy firm Burisma Holdings and companies based in China, the Associated Press reported.

Biden announced on Wednesday through his father’s transition team that his attorney had been notified that he was the target of an investigation into his “tax affairs.”"

He's supposed to be a "big boy" Still has daddy protecting his sorry ass.
Is Joementia going to fire the FED prosecutors like he had done in Ukrainian?

This interference from Joe&co is going to go over GREAT!

[Walt]

Stevie?? That you?? The same mooch that's known to fly to China? Tell us.. Has Xi cut back on his greenhouse gas emissions yet?

[D]

Oh Dear,
"Trump’s Wisconsin Election Suit Dismissed by Federal Judge" - and he was appointed by Trump!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-12/trump-s-wisconsin-election-suit-dismissed-by-federal-judge

[Don Bessee]

Thats sure one brave sock puppet, NOT. Try that for real bitch -

There is nothing to discuss. Except to stomp down on the neck of any treasonous right

;-)

[fish]

Posted by: NCRWW | 12 December 2020 at 03:33 PM

Oooooo.......internet tuff gai is here!

[George Rebane]

Re election fraud - note that there also was no evidence of election fraud in the USSR, China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, ..., and most certainly no indictments. therefore everything was on the up and up, nes pas?

[Walt]

The command of the 420TH Nevada City in their own minds have a bit to celebrate After four years of failed attempts to manufacture crimes against Trump, it took ballot box stuffing to take him out. "By any means necessary" has prevailed.
With plenty of help from the DNC owned fake news media, and the Masters of the universe. (Twit land and Fascistbook. Which are still at it today)

So when things really go to shit across the nation, they will have no one to blame but themselves.

Be careful of what you wished for.. You just got it...
Kalif. and Seattle from Coast to coast.. Enjoy....

[paul emery]

George

This so called election fraud has already been examined by Trump own appointees to head the DOJ and FBI and they have found nothing of significance if that. How do you explain that?

[Barry Pruett]

‘Hey Barry, the time to discuss the bullshit is long past. There is nothing to discuss. Except to stomp down on the neck of any treasonous right wingers who support the antiAmerican Trump autocracy.”

Must be sad to be that angry. Conservatives love this county and their fellowman and fellow American...no matter how misguided. I am very confident that truth and freedom will ultimately prevail. It is called faith.

Faith in God. Faith in my family. Faith in my country. And faith in my fellowman. Truth will always prevail over false prophets.

[Gregory]

There's what? 39 days until the inauguration, meaning there's 39 days to uncover anything needing uncovering, and the state legislatures have until the day of the inauguration to play Lucy And The Football with electors.

[D]

Posted by: George Rebane | 12 December 2020 at 04:19 PM, Your comment goes along the lines of LaMalfa's,
"You know, I don't have proof that men landed on the moon in 1969 because I wasn't there," LaMalfa replied.
Brilliant!

[Walt]

The real "treason" lies with ballot riggers and their protectors, and excuse makers.

Forget what the Commiecrat battle cry was? " WE WILL CHANGE AMERICA" Funny,, they didn't say "what" into. And you suckers took the bait.

Not one of you idiots have even said just what qualifications brain damaged Biden has. Just WTF has he really accomplished in his years? (Not a damned thing) Oh... He DID support the KLAN members while in the Senate,, assaulted women. (LIBS can do that from what is said) Sold access to the W.H. as VP.

So how soon does he sell out Taiwan to China? Pay extortion to Lil' fat boy?

So you got "O"bummer 2.0.... Great choice.

[Walt]

Well D-ipshit,, your "proof" that Trump was a Russian sure held up. It was right there with Schitt for brains "I have proof Trump colluded"

[Gregory]

Biden's biggest accomplishment in the Senate was the Borking of Robert Bork, followed closely by a high tech lynching of now Justice Thomas.

[D]

Trump is a Russian? Somebody take this guy's keys, he's done!

[Don Bessee]

That's fning rich from rancid russian peddlers who tied up the nation for 3 years in team 0 attempted soft coup - ROFLOL

The New York Times
'An Indelible Stain': How the GOP Tried to Topple a Pillar of Democracy

;-)

[D]

Quit crying Bessee.

[L]

"Always vigilant for treasonous right wingers in our midst."

Perfect job for the new, New Soviet Man- a job with nothing to do all day except braid nose hair and unbraid it.

Same deal as before, Comrade? You pretend to work, we pretend to pay you. Ochen Xorosho!

Meanwhile, the recent election will be the subject of historical study long after necro is pushing up poison oak from his unmarked disposal pit.

[Don Bessee]

Projecting again as a lame ass sock puppet @926 ROFLOL

My hottie and me have the best life. Blessings abound, we live in a bird and critter paradise that we created up in here. Flying squires, 2 kinds of woodpeckers, gold finch, dove couples, stellar and blue jays, ring neck pidgins and a ton more as well as a fox that keeps the rodents in check.

;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Ah, guinea pigs. Be my guest, you can go first. I insist. Beauty before age and all that stuff. No need to thank me. I will be right here hanging back, watching. Somebody has to be first..
you lucky dogs.

'Inmates, Homeless Will Be Among First to Receive Vaccine in D.C., Mayor Says'

https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/inmates-homeless-will-be-among-first-to-receive-vaccine-in-d-c-mayor-says/