Voter Fraud 6.0 ... until the fat lady sings (updated)

George Rebane

I asked this question of BarryP - "BarryP 549pm - don't the states have an argument for being aggrieved by the federally unconstitutional and/or purposive violation of state election laws that may/will foster an outcome of that state's election which on the federal level then illegally weighs against the legitimate voters of the aggrieved state? That is plenty of evidence for 'suffering harm' that supports the plaintiff state's standing with SCOTUS. What am I missing here?"  Barry said the answer was a long one and wanted to know where to post it.  My question is seminal, so I'm asking Barry to email me his answer, and I'll post right here for all to read.

Everyone else, please continue your election fraud relevant comment threads from 'Voter Fraud 5.0' hereunder.

[Worth repeating the 10dec20 update to Voter Fraud 5.0] Now here’s a shot in the shorts of all those on the Left telling the nation a slew of Big Lies about the integrity of the Dominion (Vote Editing) Software.  ‘Election Supervisor Shows on Video How Dominion Software Allows Changing, Adding Votes’.  This should renew some interest in the courts now chewing on election fraud suits.  The evidence tsunami is of historical proportions.  I know of no legal battle fought in my lifetime in which the plaintiffs have had such a profusion of evidence.

[update] Barry Pruett emailed me the following in answer to my question above.

George. Your comment regarding state election laws and not following them is definitely on point.

The problem is how the courts of the United States function. Generally speaking at both state and federal level, there are two different types of issues. There are factual issues, and there are legal issues. State trial courts and federal district courts are courts that deal with both of these issues. The jury in these courts or the judge must hear evidence and then make factual findings of what is true.  The trial court then applies these findings to the law in order to make a determination and a final adjudication.  

In my trials, we present evidence to the court, the court makes their findings of what the truth is, and then the judge applies those facts to the law and makes a final ruling.  This trial process takes years, and the litigants herein are trying to jam this process into the matter of four weeks. It is simply not possible.

In any event, (if) a litigant does not like the ruling and would like to appeal, (then) the litigant can always appeal to the state appeals court or to the circuit court depending on whether the case is a state court or a federal court, respectively. The appeals court takes the facts as found and established by the trial court and then re-applies them to the law. The appeals court is not a court set up to hear evidence or to make new factual findings, as that function is a function of the trial court. 

After the appeals court reads the briefs of the parties and after argument, the appeals court makes a ruling as to the law and whether the trial court followed the law when it applied the facts that the trial court found. 

If the litigant again believes that the appeals court misapplied the facts (as found by the trial court) to the law and arrived at the incorrect result, the litigant can request the supreme court of the state or of the United States to review the appeals court ruling. This is called a petition for writ of certiorari.  While litigants are entitled to one appeal, most litigants are not entitled to review by either the state supreme court or the Supreme Court without permission of that court. Supreme courts are selective in the cases that they review and will only review cases that affect state constitutional law or federal constitutional law.  If supreme court grants certiorari, then the court will hear of the matter, and the court will apply the facts (as found by the trial court) to the law and make a ruling.  The process from beginning litigation, having a trial, having two appeals and getting a ruling from a Supreme Court can take five years.  It simply isn’t reasonable to have a trial on this matter in three weeks. It’s not possible.

On that backdrop, the Supreme Court has a problem with this case. This case is a case of original jurisdiction. Original jurisdiction means the Supreme Court is the first court and the only court to which states can go when they sue each other.  This original jurisdiction creates a problem for the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court is not equipped to have a jury trials or to sort out the facts of the case and make factual findings. What we have right now is Texas making factual and legal allegations against four other states. The four other states are denying the factual allegations of Texas. So the question becomes what is the Supreme Court supposed to do. Who is the Supreme Court supposed to believe?  Does the supreme court appoint a trial judge (who) has a special master to determine the facts?  Clearly the supreme court’s not going to have a trial on the merits. That’s not how the Supreme Court functions.

And even if the Supreme Court did appoint a special master or a special trial judge to sort out the facts, what remedy can the Supreme Court fashion?  After they sorted out the facts and apply those facts to the law and potentially determined that, yes, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Georgia fraudulently violated the electors’ clause in the Constitution in the way that they conducted their election, now what?  I believe it would be within the power of the Supreme Court to decertify the elections in those four states but only after they’ve made adequate factual findings.  I think some of the issues however are strictly legal. The state law says elections are to be conducted in X manner, but the executive officers of the states conducted the election in X plus Y manner. It is in writing, and it’s easily identifiable. The allegations of fraud are extraordinarily factual and would almost require testimony to be able to be determined. The question becomes whether the state executive officers unconstitutionally conducted the election and did it affect the outcome?  Can anyone even know that?  In any event, article II of the Constitution provides that the state legislatures shall make the rules and the laws in connection with electing electors for the state. State law says elections are to be conducted in X manner but the executive officers of the state conducted the election and X plus Y manner, then the executive officers violated the Constitution. 

Is Texas affected by this violation of the Constitution? Certainly they’re affected. Their choice for president when they had a legal election is affected by the other states having an illegal election. 

So now what’s the remedy?  The only constitutional remedy is for the state legislators to determine who the correct electors are for each state or whether that can even be determined. Because the power of the state legislature is found in the constitution, the Supreme Court can’t order the state legislature to do anything. The state legislatures power is plenary, and the Supreme Court can’t do anything about that.

I believe that the Supreme Court will dump this back to the state legislatures and tell them to figure this mess out. The Constitution gives the state legislatures the responsibility and duty to figure out this mess, and it is not for the Supreme Court to nullify or de-certify an election without a well-developed factual basis. 

The Supreme Court can assert that the timelines (as) established by Congress are unconstitutional. Legislation cannot add or take away from the dictates of the constitution. The only date in the constitution that is a hard deadline is January 20. The Supreme Court will probably give the state legislature some time to figure out this mess, and then dump it back to them to figure it out.

Again, trying to figure out what the Supreme Court will do at any given moment it’s like reading tea leaves. I hope this provides some background about how the system works and where we’re at right now.  Barry

Comments

[D]

Like a good Christian preacher should, buy a jet,

https://deadstate.org/reporter-confronts-christian-preacher-for-buying-private-jet-after-getting-millions-in-ppp-money/

[D]

Pennsylvania Supreme Court denial illustrates the abject stupidity of Trumplican lawsuits,

http://www.pacourts.us/assets/files/setting-7881/file-10856.pdf?cb=bf9d99

[paul emery]

Yeah D.

The stupid lawsuits are just a scam to bilk money from the ignorant to support Trumps losing cause. Who knows how many RR readers bucks have gone to our Crook in Chief Trump.

[Todd Juvinall]

You mean like the 3.5 million to Biden from the Russian Mayors wife? Or the 1.5 billion to Hunter of which 10% went to the "big guy"? You crack me up, Emery. The selective outrage from you goes only one way. How many ballots did you put in the collection box?

[Todd Juvinall]

D | 13 December 2020 at 10:43 AM

WQe all get that you commies like to cheat. And the 5 dem 2 R Penn court is no different.

[D]

Todd, Hunter got paid the big bucks to service the Moscow's mayor's wife. So what? He is a private citizen, not a political or public servant. You know, just like Stormy Daniels who was paid hush money for servicing Trump.

[D]

Todd, Hunter got $1.5 Billion? I did not know Hunter was a billionaire.
Link please.

[Bill Tozer]

Hunter flew on Air Force 2 with Pops to China and 10 days later received 1.5 billion dollars from the Chi-Coms to manage the Chi-Coms money, aka, out of their soverign wealth fund. Cheap price for the Communist Government to pay for the assesss and getting a fly put on the inner wall when you think about it.
Of course, China chose Hunter solely on his long stellar record of wealth management expertise, military service, and his personal history.

Biden's cut of the 1.5 billion is only about 10 million dollars (US) for....management fees and services to to be rendered. Still, a 10 million dollar contract with the Commie Bastards is small potatoes (grains of rice) compared to what Bidet and John Kerry's stepson pulled off with a 65 million deal. And guess who gets a cut of that? The Big Guy, dats who.

[Don Bessee]

Trying for the pony tail of ignorance title @1122? LOL

;-)

[L]

Keach @ 11:20- Doubt Hunter got the bucks for 'servicing' the mayor's wife in the sense you imply. In that dept, Bidet goes for teenyboppers, pole dancers (now called mom) and his sister-in-law, much better taste than you imply. That man can afford the best, don't you think?

[Walt]

A billionaire Douche says? then why is he claiming to be broke in the child support court case for his bastard child?

You to get with the information program.

[D]

WalDoH!™ - Hunter isn't a billionaire Wal💩

[D]

Lar, can't say what Hunter's tastes are. I guess you know. Question is how do you know?

[D]

Georgia dismisses another DOA suit by Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. MAGats get their asses handed to them yet again.

Release the Kraken!

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/12/D97B3026-6647-46A7-B909-B137A938BC43-converted.pdf

[D]

MAGats doing what they do best, throwing good money after bad.

https://transparencyreport.google.com/political-ads/advertiser/AR105500339708362752

[paul emery]

You're embarassing you self with your blind allegance to our Crook in Chief Trump. 1.5 Billion Hunter? Documentation or who cares.

[Don Bessee]

Apparently too well documented for the crack kvmr news guy, they must be soooo proud of your willful ignorance. LOL!

;-)

[Bill Tozer]

Boy, for apparently winning the election and putting a knive through Trump's back, the sockpuppets (sick puppies?) sure are acting like they are a bunch of sore losers. Or sore winners. I just can't feel the euthusiasm. Now I see what they meant by the Biden ethusiasm gap. Must take some of the joy out winning and all, knowing you had to lie, steal, and cheatel to steal...er...win an election. Kinda dampens the conscious for those on the Left who still have one. I know if the shoe was on the other foot, I would feel bad and have a bitter taste in my mouth and a pricked conscious. As the situational ethics relativism crowd says, "Screw Guilt, there are no absolutes."

Whine anyway Lefty sack puppets and get all comfortable on your pity pot. Trumpers are raining on your socially distanced Victory Parade. You, my dear primordal ooze on the left are truly the victims of a gross injustice here. You are the oppressed, ye oppressors.

Boy o boy, they are such a glum lot. Nothing, absolutly nothing, can keep them happy for long. I true sign of the elistist reactionary mentality.

Voter fraud? What is this voter fraud of which you speak? We can't report that. We are jounalists, ain't our job.

[D]

Bill, no, the winners put a knife into Trump's front in a fair and square election. Trump was lying his ass off daily about rigged elections. You boys can't even remember he was saying the same thing in 2016 (Trump thought he was so great that the only way he could ever lose as if it was rigged which is explained by delusion of his massive ego). People will believe a lie if it's repeated often enough and they want to believe it badly enough.

[Todd Juvinall]

hAR TO UNDERSTAND eMERY'S BLIND ALLEGIANCE TO CROOKED BIDEN AND HIS CRIME FAMILY. mUST BE A COGNITIVE problem as well as ethical.

[Larry Wirth]

Keach @ 1:43- Simple, m'boy: The bit about stupping the grieving widow of Beau has been making the rounds for a couple of years, the pole pokee paternity suit is a mater of public record and his pedophilia was convincingly illuminated by the year-old lost hard drive. Or perhaps you've not heard of the last, given your limited news sources. Any other questions, or would you prefer to remain your darkened ignorance?

[L]

Paul @ 2:09- Of course, you're right and Todd is conflating 'gross' with 'net'. If the deal was 1.5B, a modest management fee (such as Hunter & Assoc. might have reasonably asked) of, say, 6.66% would net the "Big Guy" only a paltry $10Mil, as someone previously pointed out.

Chicken feed, I say, for the president of the United States.

[Scott O]

Folks - you are never going to get the leftys that post here to admit that there is anything wrong with anything that Biden and his family have done. There is already abundant proof that Biden is an openly racist lying scum-bag and the leftys just ignore the facts.
Remember when the Hunter story was just "Russian disinformation"?
Now it turns out that was a stupid lie for stupid people and yet the leftys here continue to move the goal posts from "didn't happen" to "so what"?
And they always will.

[Walt]

These idiot LIBS just "voted*" back establishment economics.
tijuana donkey show on steroids.
Think stink finger Joe will continue on with the pro small business, pro working class worker the Trump built? HELL no.
Big business wants the REAL cheap labor. Open the flood gates at the border and let in the illegals. And the foreign H1B cheapskates too.

[Walt]

The mathematical science, and the vast majority of statistical mathematicians agree. The election was rigged. The math just don't add up.(experts said so)
Kinda like Elery and the Douche winning the lottery every week for a year, and agreeing to split it 50/50. Oh... They might "agree".... But you will need three observers to make sure the one doing the counting can count to at least 20 without take off the shoes.

[Don Bessee]

So much for all that unity talk -

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/13/photos-joe-bidens-dogs-play-tug-war-trump-toy-he-calls-unity/

;-)

[L]

Toes & 2:54- Yeah, you're onto something. Their pissiness is about more than buyer's remorse; after all, they knew what Biden and family are.

It's more like 'guilty knowledge', kinda like OJ flying out and turning around and coming back knowing he committed a couple of murders...gotta be there to see what happens next...

Our libs aren't (contrary to comments by myself and others) actually stupid or they wouldn't be hanging around RR. No, they know as well as we do that the election was stolen and while they are incapable of having a guilty conscience about (end vs. means), they are quite capable of worrying about being caught, hence angry ranting whenever someone gets close to unwinding their private secret. Expect them to get nastier the closer the ring closes. They really don't like being found out despite the fact they aren't in the least ashamed, just embarrassed.

[Scott O]

L 8:31 Even worse than that - what have they got to be proud about?
Nothing. They have never even offered one good word about the pile of crap they voted into office. Nothing. Nothing.
Trump brought us a booming economy that Obama had said was impossible, record unemployment for non-whites, peace deals in the mid-east, standing up to the Chinese and civil rights for all Americans.
No wonder they're full of anger and remorse. They know perfectly good and well that the incoming admin will be nothing more than total crony capitalism, further stagnation for our economy and capitulation to other countries in world affairs.
Are they jubilant and celebrating?
No.
Snarling and angry and vengeful. Is there any more proof needed of how morally bankrupt the left is?
Lost seats in the House and even lost ground in CA. They've been caught doing what they falsely claimed the Rs were doing.
Biden turns out to be nothing more than what he's always been. A half-witted grifter groveling for dollar bills in the sewer.
And the left voted him into office based on nothing more than their hatred of the Donald.
I guess hatred won.
Enjoy!

[Don Bessee]

A little refresher for the ignorant trolls -

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/12/13/schweizer-national-tragedy-how-media-acted-as-gatekeepers-of-hunter-biden-story/

;-)

[D]

Sidney's Kraken revealed,

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/sydney-powells-military-intelligence-expert-witness-was-actually-an-army-mechanic-who-never-worked-in-military-intelligence-report/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Walt]

Right Douchey,, Just like most Proggy expert witnesses.
You know,,, like NONE had firsthand knowledge of anything when you and yours were impeaching Trump.
You didn't whine then....

[Walt]

And for the computer techys... "Garbage,, garbage out".
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/iowa-democratic-caucuses-internal-review-errors

[Bill Tozer]

L @ 8:31 pm

I do indeed expect them to get nastier and more vicious. I could lay a good sum of money on it. It’s the Nature of their Beast. Can a leopard change its spots? Like chickens or pigeons that peck on those that do not look like them in the coop, once the abused pecked chicken shows blood, they all jump in on the bird in a fevered pecking frenzy until death at times. Once they draw blood, they like it too much and there is no going back. Blood is in their blood now.

If anything, blood is in their blood.

[D]

What do Lar and Bill not understand about the fact that Hunter is a private citizen? Really, that's all you got? You are on the wrong thread also.

[D]

Looks like the Kraken took a dump,

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A narrowly divided Wisconsin Supreme Court on Monday rejected President Donald Trump’s lawsuit attempting to overturn his election loss in the battleground state about an hour before the Electoral College cast Wisconsin's 10 votes for Democrat Joe Biden.

In the 4-3 ruling, the court's three liberal justices were joined by conservative swing Justice Brian Hagedorn who said three of Trump's four claims were filed too late and the other was without merit. The ruling ends Trump's legal challenges in state court.

The president sought to have more than 221,000 ballots disqualified in Dane and Milwaukee counties, the state's two most heavily Democratic counties. Those were the only counties where Trump sought a recount, even though he lost statewide by just short of 21,000 votes, a margin of about 0.6%. Hagedorn said the Trump campaign was “not entitled to the relief it seeks.”

Hagedorn used a sports analogy when ruling against Trump, saying he should not have waited until his election loss was announced to raise his complaints.

“Our laws allow the challenge flag to be thrown regarding various aspects of election administration,” Hagedorn wrote. “The challenges raised by the Campaign in this case, however, come long after the last play or even the last game; the Campaign is challenging the rulebook adopted before the season began.”

Trump wanted to disqualify absentee ballots cast early and in-person, saying there wasn’t a proper written request made for the ballots; absentee ballots cast by people who claimed “indefinitely confined” status; absentee ballots collected by poll workers at Madison parks; and absentee ballots where clerks filled in missing information on ballot envelopes.

The court ruled that Trump's challenge to voters who were indefinitely confined was without merit and that the other claims came too late.

The three dissenting conservative justices, led by Chief Justice Patience Roggensack, said the court should have decided whether votes should have counted in each of the four categories, and clarified the law for future elections.

“A significant portion of the public does not believe that the November 3, 2020, presidential election was fairly conducted,” Roggensack wrote. “Once again, four justices on this court cannot be bothered with addressing what the statutes require to assure that absentee ballots are lawfully cast.”

Liberal justices Rebecca Dallet and Jill Karofsky, who sided with Hagedorn, wrote separately to emphasize that there was no evidence of fraud in Wisconsin's election.

“Wisconsin voters complied with the election rulebook,” Dallet and Karofksy said. “No penalties were committed and the final score was the result of a free and fair election.”

Democratic Attorney General Josh Kaul called the ruling “a repudiation of a sordid attempt to steal the authority to award our electoral votes away from the people of Wisconsin. The will of the people has prevailed."

[D]

"Already, six of the states in which Trump contested his defeat — Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan — have cast their electoral votes for Biden. Follow the vote here."

Electoral college vote tracker: Watch states cast their votes for president - Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2020/electoral-college-vote-tracker/

[paul emery]

Fat Lady has sung her last note:

"The Electoral College officially voted on Monday to make Joe Biden the 46th president of the United States, formalizing his victory under constitutional procedure and dashing President Donald Trump's longshot hopes of reversing the 2020 election results.

The votes rolled in throughout the day, with electors gathering in all 50 state capitals and Washington, D.C., for incident-free ceremonies in line with the vote totals in those states, after legal challenges and attempts to delegitimize the election from Trump and his supporters."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/14/electoral-college-biden-victory-444952

[Barry Pruett]

Paul I know you think that that’s the last of this, but it’s really not. The state legislatures have absolute authority to appoint electors until at least January 6. Plenary power.

Donald Trump’s going to play all the way up to the last whistle and will probably get penalized 15 yards for a late hit. 😂😂

[Paul Emery]

Wishful thinking BArry. The Repubs are jumping ship on Trump as we speak. Here's a few of the latest from the Senate:

"But as the day went on and the Electoral College’s verdict was made clear, an increasing number of Republican senators — though certainly not all — began to say what the leader of their party won’t and what they declined to acknowledge for weeks: Biden will take office in January.

“I understand there are people who feel strongly about the outcome of this election,” said Senate Majority Whip John Thune (R-S.D.), the second-ranking Senate Republican. “But in the end at some point you have to face the music. And I think that once the Electoral College settles the issue today, it’s time for everybody to move on.”

“There’s clearly a constitutional president-elect,” added Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), the No. 4 GOP leader. Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) said “the Electoral College vote today makes clear that Joe Biden is now president-elect.” Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.) agreed that “it’s time to turn the page and begin a new administration.” And Sen Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) was unequivocal: “Vice President Biden is the president-elect based on the electoral count.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/14/senate-republicans-biden-win-445309

[Barry Pruett]

Donald Trump has beaten the lying and cheating Democrats for the last five years. In fact every single time that the elitist and the Democrats tried to rail Donald Trump, he won. If you don’t think that Trump has something up his sleeve in order to give the Democrats one final defeat, you are grossly mistaken. Trump will bareknuckle fight until there are no other alternatives, and he has to leave the White House. I wouldn’t be surprised if some crazy shit happens like Stacey Abrams getting indicted or something. Like elitists and Democrats, Trump will not pull any punches. That’s why liberals hate Trump so much. DJT fights like they do. No rules, no decency, just bareknuckle politics. What’s good for the goose...

[Barry Pruett]

I’m just telling you what you caused. This uncertainty, this opportunity for Donald Trump, and this whole entire election mess is laid right at the feet of Democrats. Democrats in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada significantly weakened election security so much and allowed such a wide open possibility for fraud, that Donald Trump can actually drive right through the whole created by Democrats and then turn around and blame them and say we don’t know who won this election and it’s your fault because you’re the ones that loosened the election laws. Even if Joe Biden did win (a fact we can never possibly know because of Democrat governors and secretaries of states in the swing states), Donald Trump has convinced nearly 80% of Republicans and even 30% of Democrats that the election was rigged. Is Donald Trump as president on January 21, half the country won’t give a shit. This mess was brought to you by Democrats. Thank you very much for hating Trump so much that you would try to destroy our democracy In an effort to finally vanquish him. Idiots.

[Don Bessee]

The new socialist dems state media has gotten too comfortable with sins of omission and lies. Hey he has an emmy for nothing right? Can you say special hunter counsel? -

Mainstream media ignores sexual harassment allegations against Gov. Andrew Cuomo
CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS skipped 'shocking' claims about the liberal media darling

https://www.foxnews.com/media/mainstream-media-ignores-sexual-harassment-allegations-against-gov-andrew-cuomo

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Do you think that its going be any different going forward -

https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/12/14/joe-biden-refuses-to-take-questions-from-press-on-sons-legal-troubles/

;-)

[Barry Pruett]

Nothing is gonna change for democrats. They are crazy. Democrats (like someone with borderline personality disorder) spent the last four years gaslighting the United States accusing trump of that which they got caught doing. This election is no different. They cheated, and now they’re blaming Donald Trump for ruining our democracy after they got caught ruining our democracy. Like I said, if Donald Trump is president on January 21, half the country won’t give a shit about anything so long as the constitution is followed. If Biden actually gets inaugurate on January 20, the resistance that you saw towards Donald Trump will be nothing compared to the resistance you’re going to find in the next four years. Zero legitimacy.

[Walt]

Yup,, warming up his dictatorship even before being installed.
"Biden Declares Election ’Free and Fair’"
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/14/pollak-bidens-phlegmatic-divisive-speech-burns-bridges-to-trumps-america/

The resident TROLLS need to start slicking up their Socialist boot licking.

[Walt]

Barry.. I surmise you will PLENTY of Trump flags at the coronation. Heck! Maybe Trump supporters will outnumber
Joementia supporters. If his stump speeches are any indicator,
The Proggy Press will have to create a virtual crowd for the few watching it on the boob tube.

[paul emery]

So what you are saying Barry is that Trump should have been awarded the Presidency because there MIGHT have been voter fraud. A "wide open possibility for fraud" (your quote) is in no way prof. You know that. Why has there been not one significant arrest or indictment for the election fraud that you cite as a possibility? If you were a Defense attorney in a case would you have allowed your client to be convicted for a crime because there was a "possibly" a crime was committed?

My goodness BArry. You have really been sucked in on this one.

[Don Bessee]

Well the upside is we get to coopt all your not my president slogans well other than the pink pussy hats. LOL

;-)

[Don Bessee]

The first step out the door? -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-acknowledges-he-has-little-bit-of-a-cold-after-presidential-victory-speech

;-)

[Barry Pruett]

We aren’t talking about a criminal trial. We are talking about voting. The number one thing in this country that we all must trust, for lack of trust in democracy is a cancer that will rot a free society. You dumbasses played politics with the conduct of a presidential election and you wonder why we are having these problems. Your failure to understand and listen to nearly half of the population is reprehensible. The evidence is as plain as the nose on your face yet you bury your head and ignore it. I am so done even talking to you. You are not a serious person.

[paul emery]

You are talking about a criminal activity Barry, election fraud. Trouble is that there is no evidence. Once again show me one example of an arrest or conviction for election fraud that would have shifted votes in the election.

[Walt]

There has been PLENTY of evidence Emery. For more that you and yours EVER presented for Trump's kangaroo impeachment bullshit.

Only now are some of the players going to jail for their rolls.
More to follow.. Unless Biden, ONE of the subversives appoints a lap dog to end the investigations to protect the guilty.

Yet here you are licking Biden's backside .. Enjoy the taste.

[paul emery]

Who is going to jail for their rolls in election fraud Walt? Names -links for verification.

[Walt]

I see your ability to understand is sorely lacking.
Or just being your usual butthole self?

The Subversives in RUSSIAGATE,, dimwit.

Your brother Biden is real good at pissing people off.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/14/president-elect-joe-biden-once-again-the-american-america-the-will-of-the-people-prevailed-with-electoral-college-vote/

Real Americans don't cheat to win elections. Commiecrats do.

[Barry Pruett]

Paul. Either you are intentionally talking passed me and Walt, or you are a fool. You are proving to be just a partisan hack and not a serious person. We should not be having this conversation, because our elections should be beyond reproach. They aren’t and that your fault as a liberal/not serous person.

[Walt]

"Ratcliffe: We can't declassify all of Russiagate's secrets. By Jerry ... I mean, there's an FBI lawyer who is going to jail for counterfeiting evidence before the FISA court."

For the ponytail of stupidity
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ratcliffe-we-cant-declassify-all-of-russiagates-secrets

TROLL on Emery,, TROLL on....

[L]

Paul, evidence for fraud is everywhere. It'll take years and more time than anyone can afford to hunt down and convict the thousands of nickel-and-dime deep state cheats and for what??

The damage was done and putting a bunch of govt dependents in prison doesn't fix it.

Barry's excellent essay pointed out the problem of the moment: Our legal system, as presently structured, is helpless to prevent what has just happened.

Lower courts will be flooded with claims for years, and cannot possibly undo the damage.

The higher courts aren't established to convict people of crimes. The time frame between election day and today is impossibly short for our legal system to do any good.

[Gregory]

Barry 940pm

Punchy just knows how to punch. That's all he does.

[paul emery]

This about puts an end to Trumps sabotage of our elections :

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) on Tuesday finally accepted the reality that President-elect Joe Biden is the victory in the 2020 presidential election.

“As of this morning our country has officially a president-elect and a vice-president elect,” McConnell said, according to Vox’s Andrew Prokop. “The Electoral College has spoken. So today I want to congratulate President-elect Joe Biden.”

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Posted by: paul emery | 15 December 2020 at 08:07 AM

This about puts an end to Trumps sabotage of our elections :

Oh my.....whatever will you find to whine about now.......?

[D]

What a bunch of crybabies, eh Paul? No proof, no lawsuits with any credibility, multiple Supreme Courts threw out the lawsuits, Republicans are eating their own if they go against the Trump fake narrative, even Fox News thinks the election fraud believers are a joke.

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Posted by: D | 15 December 2020 at 08:26 AM

Eat something. You'll feel better.......

[D]

Paul, the Cons have very limited imaginations also. They cannot even come up with original conspiracies. They have to old Dem narratives.

"Speaking during his opening monologue on ‘Hannity’ Monday night, Sean weighed-in on the escalating corruption scandal surrounding Hunter Biden; asking if the Biden family is “compromised” by China, the Ukraine, or Russia."

Bwahahaha

[Scott O]

Paul 8:07 - "This about puts an end to Trumps sabotage of our elections"
How did he 'sabotage' the election?

[paul emery]

How did he 'sabotage' the election?

Tried to steal it with unverified rumors of voter fraud. Denied by the FBI. DOJ, dozens of courts and most of all the American voters

[Barry Pruett]

Scott. Paul is not serious. He is gaslighting you. Democrats sabotaged the election. Don’t take the bait.

“Gaslighting, an elaborate and insidious technique of deception and psychological manipulation, usually practiced by a single deceiver, or “gaslighter,” on a single victim over an extended period. Its effect is to gradually undermine the victim’s confidence in his own ability to distinguish truth from falsehood, right from wrong, or reality from appearance, thereby rendering him pathologically dependent on the gaslighter in his thinking or feelings.”

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Posted by: paul emery | 15 December 2020 at 09:19 AM

All perfectly legal and appropriate given normal levels of progressive election malfeasance.

Ol Empty Headed Joe hasn't been denied a moment of his idiots reign. As Rebanes Ruminations resident perpetual whiner you of all people must know that the process must be followed.

[Walt]

Yaa.. That's Emery. Refuses to accept HUNDREDS of signed affidavits (also known as EVIDENCE) from those who were THERE.

So Buzzard of Broad St.,, where did all YOUR supposed evidence against Trump evaporate to? You sure guzzled the rancid Russian dressing.

Furthermore, Your incessant POLLs of how your Proggys were going to run the table were sure WRONG..
Blaming that on bad weed?

[Walt]

Joe went down to Georgia. Look'n for an election to steal.
He was way behind and braught doctored votes that he could deal.

[paul emery]

Barry
What is your source of information that there were"thousands" of affidavits attesting to voter fraud?

Why were the ignored by nearly 50 courts including the Supremes?

Must be a massive conspiracy I guess.

[D]

Shame on the seditious Cons,

"LaMalfa, one of California’s most embarrassing and inept congressmen, appeared on CNN a few days ago and humiliated himself by giving a bizarre interview to host Chris Cuomo.

Cuomo: “You got any proof that anything was done that was fraudulent in any election?”

LaMalfa: “You know, I don’t have proof that men landed on the moon in 1969 because I wasn’t there.”

You are now standing on a loony surface, Rep. LaMalfa — along with Elvis, Bigfoot and your own Pizzagate president."

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/editorials/article247849700.html?fbclid=IwAR2tTVCdsK3tvAXqJtJQVeBYc_eronXuHhxL4QAVR2mtZXg79uc4dihufjc

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Posted by: paul emery | 15 December 2020 at 10:21 AM

What is your source of information that there were"thousands" of affidavits attesting to voter fraud?

The "sources of information".....all out there for a guy who is willing to do a little research.

Which means you will never see them.

[Bill Tozer]

What continues to bother me is that with the election almost over, no one in the media is talking about how to make future elections safe, secure, and beyond even the appearance of impropriety. It’s like the Russians (meddled at best) interfered in our elections and because of that foreign stealing of our elections, Trump to win in 2016....but the elections were safe and secure in 2020. Beyond reproach.

Sure, there will be worthless hearings in the Senate that will go the way of the do-do bird. The place where investigations go to die. Just like the House ethics committee looking into their own. We, historians, and published investigative essays and paperbacks will be arguing over this election for decades.

I agree with Barry’s well articulated point that the Dems....yes, the Dems, instituted mailing ballots to those who did not request one, instituted no voter ID, allowed ballots to be counted that where/are postmarked a day or three after the election, and dozens of last minute changes to the voting process at the 11th hour. Each and every Dem pet project of those items mentioned above contains within it the potential for fraud, lying, cheating, and swindle.

It seems to me that we should not even contemplate toying with ideas that inherently contain potential for voting fraud. We should be looking at ways to make our elections more secure, not less. That is how you win trust.

Looking forward, there are a few, very few, tiny rays of hope for some integrity, if lessons learned. All that is missing is political will.
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Wisconsin Supreme Court Says Coronavirus Is Not A Reason To Abandon Voter ID Requirement
DECEMBER 14, 2020 By Tristan Justice
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Monday that residents, not county clerks, are responsible for determining whether their voter status warrants an absentee ballot submission without providing voter ID

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/14/wisconsin-supreme-court-says-coronavirus-is-a-not-reason-to-abandon-voter-id-requirement/

[Barry Pruett]

https://mediaactionnetwork.com/a-list-of-all-the-voter-fraud-allegations-to-this-point/

Here is the list of many of the affidavits of voter fraud. I provide this to you knowing full damn well you’ll never read any of it or believe any of it so there’s that.

Your reasoning is absolutely ridiculous. We are talking about elections. We are talking about the foundations of our democracy. It’s not my job to prove there’s fraud. it’s your job to prove that the election had no fraud. There is not acceptable level of fraud and for you to continually allege oh you can’t prove it in three weeks is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I have always thought you were serious person. Such belief is the only reason I engage with you in a serious fashion. That’s why I never engage Doug in a serious fashion because he’s an idiot. I thought differently of you.

[Barry Pruett]

If you read anything at all Paul, you would know that not a single court has made a ruling in connection with the election on the merits. Every single ruling has been procedural. A serious person would understand the difference. This discussion with Paul as a prime example of progressives not knowing what they don’t know and acting as though they know everything.

Like Mark Twain said... It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so.

[paul emery]

This quote is typical of the examples you cite Barry. An "anonymous letter " is a far cry from the thousands of signed affidavits you claim.

"An anonymous letter sent to the Arizona legislature and the Justice Department criminal division alleged 35,000 votes in Prima County were illegally embedded ahead of the election, for every Democratic candidate on the local and federal level."

https://mediaactionnetwork.com/a-list-of-all-the-voter-fraud-allegations-to-this-point/

[paul emery]

Barry

Our Attorney General said on Dec 1 Dec. 1, that the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud and has seen nothing that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

I use that as an ingredient of my assessment that there was no fraud. Why do you not accept Barr's conclusion?

[Scott O]

So, Paul - You claim the election WAS sabotaged - in other words - not legitimate. So are you saying Biden is not the legitimate POTUS?
You can't have it both ways, Paul.
Either the election was sabotaged or it wasn't.
Now what's your story?
Take your time - be creative and try to use some of the words you've learned in the past couple of months.

[D]

This is a quote from Good ol' Bar who thinks I am an idiot,
"It’s not my job to prove there’s fraud. it’s your job to prove that the election had no fraud.",
showing us that he got his law degree in a box of Kraken Jack's.
Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?

[Walt]

So "a little " and "precise" voter fraud is just fine with Emery.
ONE illegal vote is too much Emery. But apparently not in your Commie RED book.

[Walt]

Yup,, RIGGED just like the election.(which the vast majority of REAL Americans believe)
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/12/15/nolte-majority-believe-fake-media-covered-up-hunter-biden-scandal-until-after-election/

[paul emery]

Scott writes:

"You claim the election WAS sabotaged"

Huh... Where did I say that?

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How did he 'sabotage' the election?

Tried to steal it with unverified rumors of voter fraud. Denied by the FBI. DOJ, dozens of courts and most of all the American voters

Posted by: paul emery | 15 December 2020 at 09:19 AM

Scott writes:

"You claim the election WAS sabotaged"

Huh... Where did I say that?

Posted by: paul emery | 15 December 2020 at 01:04 PM

An acknowledgement of "sabotage" in your response by implying that theft was sabotage.

Ugh......Senile Joe truly is your president!

[Gregory]

Yes, sabotaged... just as the last 4 years were sabotaged by the Resistance!

Except that was fake. Putin didn't change a single vote.

[George Rebane]

Our leftwing commenters still have not figured out the difference between 'discovered no evidence of voter fraud' and 'discovered no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to overturn the election'.

The latter is particularly hard to swallow since no court or even the DoJ have examined the evidence of the witnessed surreptitious massive transfers of votes or the forensic examination of the vote mangling computers. As BarryP reviews for us, no court has rejected the evidence per se, they've refused to consider it on procedural grounds.

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Our leftwing commenters still have not figured out the difference between 'discovered no evidence of voter fraud' and 'discovered no evidence of voter fraud sufficient to overturn the election'.

Your leftwing commenters (one in particular) still haven't figured out that federal investigations frequently take a long time before formally delivered.

"Where are the indictments, Where are the arrests"......the bleat of the moron!

[Bill Tozer]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/dec/14/forensic-auditors-find-shocking-68-error-rate-one-/

[D]

You boys can play armchair fraud detectives all you want. Biden is still President-Elect.

[D]

Perhaps, just perhaps, the country will create completely unified election procedures so people cannot complain about the various (sometimes bizarre) election procedures in various districts.

[paul emery]

George

George

You are confusing claims of election fraud with evidence of voter fraud. "Evidence" based on anonymous tips certainly cannot be assumed as being factual.

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Posted by: D | 15 December 2020 at 02:27 PM

He is.

[Barry Pruett]

Out of about 200 affidavits, Paul picks one by an anonymous whistleblower and cries foul. Idiot.

[D]

Famous quotes by The Bar,

"It’s not my job to prove there’s fraud. it’s your job to prove that the election had no fraud.",

[Walt]

Here is some "evidence" your you simpleton Emery.
"In fact, the system was found to be “intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results.”
From Bill's post. Which I doubt you even glanced at.
It's easier to just be an ass of a TROLL.

[D]

WalDoH!™ "In fact, the system was found to be “intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results.”

This statement was made by Russ Ramsland, an “expert” whose last effort to prove rampant fraud in the election involved his mistaking precincts in Minnesota for ones in Michigan.

Bwahahaha

[Gregory]

"Perhaps, just perhaps, the country will create completely unified election procedures so people cannot complain about the various (sometimes bizarre) election procedures in various districts."
-"D"

Paper ballots, voter ID, no unrequested absentee ballots, election day is election day, ballot harvesting is a felony.

[Barry Pruett]

That should be your favorite quote Doug. It shows how ignorant you are about your own country. As an election official, they should be able to demonstrate clearly and unequivocally that every single election that we have is free of foreign and domestic bad actors. They should be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that every election that they conduct is perfect and without any fraud whatsoever. Our democracy hangs in the balance. It is that important. And the fact that you think that’s the punchline to a joke clearly demonstrates that you probably shouldn’t be voting. 😂😂🇺🇸

[Barry Pruett]

“ Paper ballots, voter ID, no unrequested absentee ballots, election day is election day, ballot harvesting is a felony.”

Mike drop.

[Todd Juvinall]

Gregory | 15 December 2020 at 03:15 PM
SPOT ON!!