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05 July 2021

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Gregory

I'm surprised Frisch hasn't yet left a steaming pile in response.

I recall vividly a visit to Northrop circa 1983(?). A defense contractor and solid member of the military-industrial complex, they had to prove they didn't discriminate by balancing their numbers with severe and obvious discrimination.

I was there for a 3rd interview on site for an engineering spot in an R&D group. First stop was HR which was solid black. Then on to the group that wanted me led by an older white guy with a mixed white/Asian team... Had they found anyone who could pass for black or Latino they'd have been hired on the spot, but I felt bad for whites who might be desperate for a low skilled job with benefits.

I didn't take their offer, choosing to accept less money for living in Santa Barbara, working for an internet company, before the Internet.

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Posted by: Gregory | 05 July 2021 at 07:28 AM

I'm surprised Frisch hasn't yet left a steaming pile in response.


I imagine he’s checking to see if he still has “antibodies” to charges of racism himself after finally hiring somebody a notch further along the brown scale of the color chart.

Not sure that that hire lasted very long.....

Gregory

Yes, Frisch's new southern Asian hire does have a very nice year round tan.

The Estonian Fox

Here's an interesting factoid: Of the 100 top-rated English-language scrabble players, how many are Nigerian? Nigerians are black folks, if you've not been paying attention.

https://www.unz.com/article/scrabble-spells-doom-for-the-racial-hypothesis-of-intelligence/

https://www.reddit.com/r/heredity/comments/mk2s28/nigerians_jews_and_scrabble_an_update_on_the_iq/

answer: 30.

Chanda Chisala, in the UNZ website above, compares African blacks (Afb) to American blacks (Amb) for Scrabble. Amb follow the IQ curve George posits above. There are no Amb in the top Scrabble world. Chisala evidently has written a number of articles on Scrabble & IQ, of Nigerians & other Afb in both English- & French-Scrabble, published on the UNZ site.

He also poses the question - where do American women rank in top-level Scrabble or chess? (Hint: they aren't there).

Again, these are just factoids; not scientifically-controlled experiments, that have been peer-reviewed. But they do make you go 'hmmmm'. They certainly made me go 'hmmm'.

George Rebane

Efox 1250pm - We must remember that almost all African-Americans are to one degree on another mulattos - meaning their 'racial purity', assuming their ancestors had it, has been polluted with white and Indian blood. Have no idea how the Afbs and Ambs compare IQ-wise, and also how Afbs from different (isolated) parts of Africa compare. Thanks to our rabidly anti-science Left, all those inquiries are off limits. However, no one complains much if we selectively determine the IQs of Ashkenazi Jews or, say, the Japanese.

Gregory

Wonder what the capture of Africans might do to IQ... would smart Africans be more or less likely to avoid capture by African slavers? What about smart Ashkenazim... less likely to die in a pogrom, more likely to flee the Nazis in time?

Bill Tozer

FYI. Nigerians (as well as some other ethnic groups) have a higher medium income in the USA than white Americans or black Americans.

Don Bessee

Well hell you just have to look at the frischy set to know that -

Woke Democrats dehumanized conservatives more than vice versa during the 2020 election, partly because progressives are more misinformed about their rivals’ view of them, according to a study by four surprised researchers from the University of California, Santa Barbara.

“Democrats expressed more dehumanization and antidemocratic spite toward Republicans than vice-versa. … This appears to clash with research suggesting that liberals are more open, tolerant, and less biased toward outgroup members,” said the study.

The four researchers suggested that the higher-than-expected dehumanization by progressives is driven by progressives’ shift from class and economic politics to “woke” identity politics:

This counterintuitive finding may be explained if American political affiliation is based on a “moralized identification with one political group and against another,” more akin to tribal sectarianism than well-reasoned differences in ideological preference … Since denigrating competitive outgroups also bolsters one’s social identity for highly identified Democrats, expressions of their adherence to liberalism and dehumanization of Republicans may go hand in hand.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2021/07/05/study-woke-democrats-dehumanize-republicans/

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RXCross

Any discussion about "denying reality" must include the Republican Party or it's total Bullshit (Bill Barr's words not mine.)

Don Bessee

Exhibit one of 604@ 623! LOL

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Posted by: Lil Bobby Meshugenah | 05 July 2021 at 06:23 PM


So don’t vote republican.....

Nobody here cares you fat fuck.

Don Bessee

The chi coms and their new red guard (antifa, wokesters and CRT minions) are in full court press mode and the socialist dems are lapping it up like hash oil -

China’s government-run Global Times newspaper observed American Independence Day on Sunday by claiming Americans have nothing to celebrate, as their country has become “selfish,” failed on “the race issue,” and is currently “in its least confident stage.”

Chinese propagandists on social media used the Fourth of July as an excuse to disparage America based on a jumble of unrelated news stories from the country — from Chinese coronavirus vaccination rates to the collapse of a condominium building in Miami. A Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman also joined in by sharing a video of leftist American students stating they did not feel proud of their country, a sentiment the analog of which is illegal to express under the Communist Party in China.

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/07/05/chinas-july-4-message-america-selfish-racist/

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Michael Kesti

Excellence cannot be legislated so the only way to create equity is to force those who would excel to perform at the level of those who will not or cannot excel. The quest for equity is, therefore, a quest for inferiority. Worse, it limits liberty.

RXBertie

6:58 -- getting a little testy are we? I totally understand.. it must be very difficult having to continually deny reality when it hits you in the face., you little Meshugenah you.

fish

Posted by: Menocross | 06 July 2021 at 09:17 AM

6:58 -- getting a little testy are we? I totally understand.


You don't know the half of it.....listening to you blather about the skill and reliability of the legacy media is remarkably annoying. But then you're always remarkably annoying so I should probably just get over it.


PS: How goes Ukulele practice?

Paul Emery

So George, Trump was elected and supported mostly by the Europeans descendants you refer to in your chart as having a high intelligence . Is their selection of him for President a manifestation of the higher IQ you refer to in your post to that ethnic and cultural group??

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 06 July 2021 at 08:04 PM


So Punch, still prattling on about Trump....your fetish still intact?

Bill Tozer

First Bobbie tried and now it’s Paul Empty’s turn at bat. Who is next? Lavender or the Ghost of Jose Peyote coyote’s shrink? No joy In Mudville tonight.

Trump never sleeps, never rest. If he is in your mind, he is in your present. Another slave to TDS. What you sow is what you reap. The ax meant to slam down on others has come crashing down on yer own head, Mr. emery.

Pssst. A little secret. There is more variance WITHIN a group than BETWEEN groups. That is the authors’ findings. You give white people a bad name, Kemislobie.

Walt

LOL Emery,, you can say the same for "O".
Yes, he had to even get the white vote to win.
Sounds like you need to move home to the old country.

Paul Emery

Well Walt you'd think that the Euro White folks folks that George refers to in hi charts would have more intelligence than to vote for Trump but examples like you have convinced me that they don't.

George Rebane

PaulE 804pm - Paul, I think that question is below you. Is it desperation time?

I referred to no intelligence of any specific group, and just presented Murray's compilation of data, along with his conclusion that the data does not support public policies requiring racial equity at any current level of standards in the high-end professions or colleges. To attempt achieving equity, standards already have had to be lowered/changed/eliminated, which supports Murray's research.

Bill Tozer

Blame Cultral Idenity Crisis

MSNBC Contributor Criticitized For Blaming 2020 Rise In Latino Trump Supporters On ‘Cultural Identity Crisis’

https://www.dailywire.com/news/msnbc-contributor-criticitized-for-blaming-2020-rise-in-latino-trump-supporters-on-cultural-identity-crisis

Made good inroads with women as well.

Well, Punch and Biden share the same mental (dis)abilities and capabilities, so I would call that equity.


Don Bessee

@927 The socialist dems are stuck on their oft repeated ideology that people of color hate conservatives. But alas they dismiss the hard working citizens that are people of color who want stability, love their God and want their kids to not have to get in line for work behind the invasion of unskilled workers.

Especially those that fled socialist shitholes and became citizens with hard work and following the legal process.

As the dnc train wreck analysis of 2020 dem performance notwithstanding the masters of the universes thumb on the scale for creepy grampa joe admitted, those voters are lost for ever and there are likely many more people of color shifting and the socialist defund the police and tolerance of riots destroying their communities is the nail in the coffin in many swing districts and zip codes.

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Paul Emery

George

I am confounded for example that a huge percentage of Republicans believe that the election was stolen . Since there is no evidence to justify that conclusion the only explanation I have is that those people are just plain ignorant and have lost or never had any skills in rational thought. For example I have a neighbor who honestly believed that the military on duty in Washington after Jan 6 to protect the Capital were actually there so that on inauguration day they would sweep in and capture Biden, Harris and all the other Dems and hustle them into helicopters and take them to Guantanamo Bay because "we all know" that was rebuilt to be a prison for all the high level Dems they would capture.

This person is a very successful local business owner and a long time acquaintance.

I'm not making this up. Look at the Pillow Guy as another example.

All for now

Don Bessee

As if @1005

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Walt

And right on "Q",, Emery changed the subject.

Plenty of evidence Emery,, you just flat out refuse to see it.

scenes

"Here's an interesting factoid: Of the 100 top-rated English-language scrabble players, how many are Nigerian? Nigerians are black folks, if you've not been paying attention."

Now that's a thing I've never run into.

Geeked out for a while on Scrabble(tm) academic papers and articles on Nigeria's obsession with Scrabble. There seems to be some agreement that Scrabble ability is based on practice more than raw ability, but all in all it's a weird thing to show up there.

My own take is that some clever boots from 23andme is going to take their database, match it to people's individual academic records (and any other available measure) and actually dig into the problem via computing brute force. Whether it's released or not will be due to the personal kinks of whoever is running the culture at the time but may surprise everyone. Maybe phrenology is real.

Paul Emery

Walt, Why was evidence not seen by any of the recounts, State or federal agencies, courts or election officials?

fish

I am confounded for example that a huge percentage of Republicans believe that the election was stolen.


Yes......many things confound you Punch......we know......indoor plumbing, microwave ovens, Magic 8 ball etc.!

You're just going to have to learn to live with these limitations.


All for now

Gregory

Punchy... what does a recount, after the ballot box gets stuffed, do for election integrity?

Paul Emery

Show me proof the " ballot box gets stuffed" and your post will have integrity. Otherwise it's just an idea that might have happened.

scenes

fish: "All for now"

It would be nice if Mr. Emery went back to Paul's Sandbox for the off-topic election stuff. It's like listening to That Guy who is a Giants fan, like it or not, you're going to hear about baseball. Being boring is worse than being wrong.

On George's post. One thing I find unsatisfying is the categories of people. Given the large degree of genetic diversity in Africa (and elsewhere for that matter), splitting into somewhat Victorian-sounding subgroups seems inaccurate. It's like claiming that Bantu speakers have a stronger case of ownership to South Africa than Boers because they are 'black'. Ownership, in the long run, is always based on demographics of course.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if large groups of somewhat related individuals had different superpowers, it's just that the tools for measuring are still quite dull. I can't say that our AI Lords and Masters will much care about the difference between primitive beings in any case.

To be fair, it's fun to skirt the Forbidden Topics, but given the current era of scrabbling over the Little Red Hen's bread, the rent seekers won't allow real research into this kind of thing. Leave it to the Chinese I guess.

Paul Emery

Besides that Gregory if the ballot boxes were "stuffed" those ballots would be invalid and wouldn't that also affect all the other elections on the same ballots so shouldn't those elections also be thrown out?

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 07 July 2021 at 08:30 AM

Show me proof the " ballot box gets stuffed" and your post will have integrity. Otherwise it's just an idea that might have happened.


I shouldn't nitpick but it's you Punch.....so.....you know!


in·teg·ri·ty

/inˈteɡrədē/

noun: integrity

1. the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.

"he is known to be a man of integrity"

2. the state of being whole and undivided.

"upholding territorial integrity and national sovereignty"


I think the term you're looking for here is validity Punch.

Probably should just stick to molesting your guitar and stop pretending you're Wolf Blitzer......just sayin!

Paul Emery

Totally irrelevant response to the question by the person who calls himself "fish" because he doesn't want to attach his real name to the comments that he makes on this blog.

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 07 July 2021 at 08:58 AM


Owww! You cut me deep Shrek!

George Rebane

Scenes 831am - As I explain in paragraph three, Murray assigned those labels to the racial cohorts of the US - ‘African’ refers to Americans of African descent, not to the aggregate of all tribes and ethnicities in today’s black Africa. In short, it is same grouping of Americans that is used by DeptEd in their testing and the DeptComm in their counting. Lots of academic and job performance related data has been collected on our ‘Africans’.

scenes

"‘African’ refers to Americans of African descent, not to the aggregate of all tribes and ethnicities in today’s black Africa."

Which is somewhat the same thing, plus the complexities of admixture with Europeans, modern immigration, and selection processes due to just who was caught for sale in the Atlantic slave trade. There's a bit of Rachel Dolezal in the whole deal, it's like people who think of themselves as 'Native Americans' while holding 1/4 or 1/8 (or less) of the membership DNA.

It sounds similar to lumping Germans in together with Mediterranean people like Greeks. At least the Germans pay their bills, so there is that.

I see where Murray comes from in that he has the data he's dealt so you do the best you can.

Now if they can just figure out why gingers don't have souls.

Paul Emery

Well why else wouldn't you use your name "fish"?

George Rebane

PaulE 1005pm – There was plenty of evidence of election fraud and irregularities, the extent and impact of which is debatable. Patrick Byrne is one of the leading authors on the saga, and has quoted chapter and verse in his ‘Deep Rig’ – naming names, dates, places, quotes, video footage, officially reported precincts counts, … - with no one rising up to dispute him on the cited substance or sue him for whatever. What gives?
https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Rig-Election-Fraud-Donald-ebook/dp/B08X1Z9FHP/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Byrne&qid=1625676209&sr=8-1

But the more puzzling question about people continuing to believe unfounded conspiracy theories is why all the Democratic leadership and the country’s progressives still believe in the Trump/Russia conspiracy, namely that the 2016 election was stolen. This was investigated by numerous committees, DoJ, special prosecutor, etc without turning up any supporting evidence whatsoever. "Since there is no evidence to justify that conclusion the only explanation I have is that those people are just plain ignorant and have lost or never had any skills in rational thought." What say you?

Now back to the topic, do you have anything cogent to say about Biden's push for equity? And why are merit-based standards for academe and workplaces being rolled back if sufficient populations with the required cognitive skills exist?

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 07 July 2021 at 09:42 AM

Well why else wouldn't you use your name "fish"?


......sigh.


Posting under a pseudonym....even a busted pseudonym is a common practice Punch.

My real name has been revealed here on numerous occasions.

scenes

Explanations in cartoon form.

"But the more puzzling question about people continuing to believe unfounded conspiracy theories is why all the Democratic leadership and the country’s progressives still believe in the Trump/Russia conspiracy,"

https://i.imgur.com/tGFG2Qm.jpg

"Now back to the topic, do you have anything cogent to say about Biden's push for equity?"

https://imgur.com/gallery/Q8ePlAS

Gregory

punchy

"Besides that Gregory if the ballot boxes were "stuffed" those ballots would be invalid and wouldn't that also affect all the other elections on the same ballots so shouldn't those elections also be thrown out?"

Yes indeed. That's why ballot box stuffing is bad. But once elections are certified, the results are set in stone.

Bill Tozer

Equity denies reality. Might be on topic.

‘A Black Man Grabbed A Black Woman And Leftists Are Calling It White Supremacy’

Anti-racism protests are once again racking Washington, D.C., and attorney Benjamin Crump is involved so it’s time to play “find the lie.”

“In that second video, Young is seen at the top of the stairs with about three other men who are fighting, plus two security guards intervening. Young is raining blows on one of the men who is trying to cover his head with his arms. As she’s absolutely wilding out in the fight, the guard reaches over the group of men and yanks Young by the shirt down the steps to remove her from the violence that she was actively participating in.

At the protests outside of the bar, activists have said, “We’re not gonna sit here and let black women be disrespected” and chanted, “protected black women, respect black women.” One demonstrator said, “That’s why we out here, because America, because of this white ass establishment, don’t respect black women and they damn sure don’t respect black people.”

But there’s a niggling detail about this whole saga that complicates the cut and dry narrative that Young’s black body was violated by the hands of white supremacy— the man who put his hands on her is also black.

Shouldn’t that make a difference if we’re going to throw around phrases like “white ass establishment”?

I’m not sure it makes a difference, but Nellie’s is a gay bar, and it used to be the most popular one in D.C. Over the years that I’ve lived here — I used to go on weekends — episodes like Young’s with the fighting and rowdy behavior have become common. It’s anecdotal, but in the most recent times I’ve been to Nellies, at least half of the patrons have been black. It wasn’t infrequent for most of them to be.

In essence, I mean that Nellies is not a “white ass establishment.” To the contrary, at this point, it’s almost a predominantly black bar.

But who can blame the protesters? This is what they’ve been taught to do by academia, the national media, the Democratic Party, and all of the entertainment industry. Claim victimhood based on race, gender, or sexual identity; then make demands; and then reap the rewards. The facts don’t matter. The story does, even if it’s fake or, at best, incomplete.“

https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/06/a-black-man-grabbed-a-black-woman-and-leftists-are-calling-it-white-supremacy/


scenes

re: BillT@2:18PM

lol. Wow, that looks like a fun ol' time at that place.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CQEn2PeDO5p/?utm_medium=copy_link

I figure that everyone involved can cool their heels at the hoosegow for the evening with a $50 fine.

Paul Emery

So Gregory what is your evidence that ballots may have been stuffed? You know, arrests, criminal investigations, etc...

A couple of links will be good for a start

George Rebane

An example of stuffing. When thousands of mail-in ballots arrive to be counted without any evidence of having being folded to fit into the supplied envelopes, that gives you a hint that something might be amiss.

Walt

Emery fails the cognitive test here. Knowing Fish's name
has been the standard.
And Emery claims Biden's mind is as good as his?

Walt

Fake news didn't tell Emery about the photo copy ballots that got "counted"?
There are affidavits sworn to (that would be evidence Emery) of the fact they were counted.

Paul Emery

Walt, George:

Links so I can check it out?

Walt

Nice try Emery,, Provided a LONG time ago. You sent in the crickets to counter.
Go do your own homework.
Not my issue your memory is as bad as Biden's.

Here is some fresh evidence for you to choke on.

The Left has lauded Stacey Abrams for helping Biden “win” the 2020 election.
Was Abrams the activist instrumental in Fulton County, Georgia, during the election?
Absolutely.
What, then, was her role in the massive voter irregularities?
Abrams may be in deep water over her personal connections to the election.

In late 2019, Fulton County contracted with Happy Faces Personnel Group, which was financially associated with a firm cofounded by Abrams.

Happy Faces was contracted “to provide temporary staffing services for Registration and Elections for approximately 340 positions, effective January 1, 2020, through December 31, 2020.”
Allegedly, an investigator commissioned by the Georgia Secretary of State’s office confirmed multiple Happy Face workers at the State Farm Arena in Fulton County on November 3.
https://welovetrump.com/2021/07/07/did-stacey-abrams-finance-and-control-staffing-for-fulton-county-georgias-2020-election/

Abram's "army" counting ballots...

Remember the elevator talk Emery? "We are going to f*ck sh*t up"

Now you go right ahead and dismiss it outright, like you do everything else.

Paul Emery

George

Links so I can have more information on the"stuffing" you refer to?

Walt

That's a good hippie. Try and get others to do the work for you. You have a search tool,, USE IT.

Scott O

I can not believe how you continue to put up with Paul hijacking a thread with his constant BS about the election. You know damn well he has stated more than once he isn't serious when he posts on George's blog.
I'd send him Murray's book, but he wouldn't read it as he's too busy doing a sound check at the local McDonald's drive through.
Good grief.

scenes

Scotto: "I can not believe how you continue to put up with Paul hijacking a thread with his constant BS about the election."

In the immortal words of Brian Eno, "Same as it ever was". It's just a dominance game that Poll usually wins, like a dog that no one will kick off the couch.

Speaking of equity, I thought I'd poke around local institutions. I really like the language used at Sierra College. https://www.sierracollege.edu/equity.php

"Sierra College is committed to eliminating the equity gaps in all student populations with proactive student centered practices and policies that fully engage the college community while providing intentional high touch support services that advance academic and career success for students." (dunno what 'high touch' is, probably something sexy)
"The Student Equity Plan outlines college success from an equity lens. "
"... professional development opportunities are available and aligned with student equity outcomes"
"The Sierra College Students Speak Report provides the college with an opportunity to self-reflect on our current structure..."
"... the shared governance structure."

These sort of things always have the flavor of an over-florid police report ("the subject transited the parking facility to his vehicle").

Scott O

From George's post - "I must admit that I was surprised at that response, and the reasons given by publisher Don Rogers. I will have more to say later about my new understanding of the newspaper’s ideological coloring and journalistic demeanor."

I'll be waiting for that one.
Murray's book was a direct shot across the bow of the present-day left. He has not only pointed out the king has no clothes, but also that the king is on the horse backwards and is headed the wrong way.
Of course Rogers and the left just want Murray's book to go away.
Reality doesn't care about your feelings.

Paul Emery

BS about the election Scott? Biden won the election pure and simple. Are you one of those who believe it was stolen?

Don Bessee

@817 demands the resurrection of the 2016 pink pussy hat chant, NOT MY PRESIDENT! LOL

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Posted by: Paul Emery | 07 July 2021 at 05:20 PM


Walt, George:

Links so I can check it out?


Ah yes.....I remember it like it was yesterday.....I haven’t time for your links and never read them when I do have time!


Paul Emery

Fish

Biden won the election pure and simple. Are you one of those who believe it was stolen? Here's a chance to take responsibility directly for what you and implying.


Paul Emery

sp

for what you are implying.

Don Bessee

Sounds like a 13 year old new red guard waving the little red book in the faces of the opressed proletariat but BLM style @1048! ROFLOL

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scenes

In case Rufo's original article hasn't been posted.

"Raytheon Technologies Corporation, the nation’s second-largest defense contractor, has launched an “anti-racism” program that promotes critical race theory, rejects the principle of “equality,” and instructs employees to “identify [their] privilege”—or else."

https://www.city-journal.org/raytheon-adopts-critical-race-theory

George Rebane

Topic gentlemen, please.

Barry Pruett

In order to maintain a fruitful discussion regarding this post which by the way has absolutely nothing to do with the election, ignoring Paul and his rantings about the election would seem advisable. I’ll leave you with this Paul. As George has pointed out, the 2020 election was probably the most sloppy election in modern history. I would posit to you that we do not and will not ever know who actually won the 2020 election. Joe Biden was certified as a winner, and we will have to live with that. The state legislatures, tasked with administering elections by the constitution, will sort out the mess and at least in Republican controlled states will ensure that elections and election integrity remains paramount. If you would like to have a detailed conversation about election integrity and the history surrounding our elections, I am all ears and will gladly participate in your conversation. But this ridiculous bait game that you play is simply juvenile.

That said I’ve read this post repeatedly and noodled the information for a few days now. It seems that the author’s data is based on IQ, SAT scores, ACT scores, and other standardized testing. I am not aware how many people even take IQ tests. If his data is based at all on standardized testing (SAT and ACT),, the relative intelligence of people would be directly related to their level of education in connection with standardize tests. If that’s true, then using racial quotas is dealing with a symptom of the problem and not the actual problem. The problem would lie in the education of people. And the data would seem to indicate that we as a society are not educating Latinos and African-Americans as well as we are educating Europeans and Asians. So George my question to you is am I misinterpreting the source data of the graph provided by the author?

scenes

From Raytheon's internal documents.

Establishing Equity Equality is a noble goal. Equal treatment and access to opportunities help each of us perform our best within a shared set of parameters. But we really need to be striving for equity, where we focus on the equality of the outcome,not the equality of the experience by taking individual needs and skills into account.

...the audacity of the power grab is pretty remarkable. I salute it.

"Topic gentlemen, please."

If you moved Paul's Question Time to the sandbox, I'm sure everyone would appreciate it.

scenes

BarryP@6:18AM

". I am not aware how many people even take IQ tests"

God knows there are plenty of standardized tests to draw from. IQ tests by the few researchers brave enough to do the work (Rushton and Jensen?), military testing, SAT scores. Lots of magic like twin studies, correcting for wealth/education/etc.

Politically, it boils down to anything that shows racial differences favoring whites (whatever a 'white' is) is written by Nazis, anything that boosts other groups (Ashkenazi Jews intelligence, East African prowess in running sports, to some degree Asian intelligence) is A-OK.

You still have the problem of disciplines, like psychology or economics, that have scientific pretensions. Describing something is one thing, finding causalities quite another. Merely assigning 'accurate' numbers to results gives you that even standing with physicists.

In the meantime, I'm waiting for the Big Data approach which includes sufficiently large populations and accurate/measurable things like DNA. This ain't gonna happen in the US due to the current religion sweeping the country, but I'll bet the Chinese are already all over it. Actually creating a superior human has to be a tempting notion.

scenes

...one more thing (like anyone asked for my opinion).

You can make a solid argument for simply not caring *why* something is true. If an IQ (or standard) test is highly predictive for success within a school or company, why not give it? By the time someone hits this gate, nature or nurture has done it's thing and the corporation or graduate school can't change your past.

If everyone in the engineering department is a red-headed lefty, that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

scenes

...two more thing

A not bad overview of this from the Evil Guys(tm) standpoint.

"THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY"
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

followed by googling 'critique of Rushton' of which there are many.

An interesting rabbit hole to go down is the relationship between intelligence and reaction time (a much easier thing to measure). It would be a helluva thing if college entrance exams consisted of you, a light, and a button.

Scott O

Barry 6:18 - "...the relative intelligence of people would be directly related to their level of education in connection with standardize tests."
A very common misconception that Murray patiently explains.
A proper IQ test actually has nothing to do with education.
An SAT (or related) is a different animal.

Scott O

scenes 6:39 - "...anything that boosts other groups (Ashkenazi Jews intelligence, East African prowess in running sports, to some degree Asian intelligence) is A-OK."
Only true for the left if you have the darkest skin tones come out on top in some way.
Believe it or not, any standardized testing that displays ANY IQ differences in ethnic groups is considered 'white supremacy' by the left.
Yes - that means that the fact that Asians consistently score higher on IQ tests as a group over white Euros translates to 'white supremacy'.
Once you glom onto the idea that everyone is absolutely equal except for what the govt gives you, then you have to ride that horse off the cliff, if necessary.

scenes

Scotto@7:45AM

There is such a thing as 'Melanin Theory', which I've always rather liked.

To quote Kristen Clarke, the lady running the Civil Rights Division at the DOJ:

"Dr. Richard King reveals that at the core of the human brain is the "locus coeruleus" which is a structure that is Black because it contains large amounts of (neuro) melanin which is essential for its operation....Melanin endows Blacks with greater mental, physical and spiritual abilities--something which cannot be measured based on Eurocentric standards."

The whole letter-to-the-editor is worth a read. It's a beautiful thing.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1994/10/28/blacks-seek-an-end-to-abuse/

fish

Another example of San Francisco Values.....(semi on topic).



When Stores Close Due To Rising Crime, Urban Blight Is Back — And It Will Get Worse
We've gone down this path before for virtually the exact same bleeding-heart reasons, and we lived through the tremendous pain of the results.



https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/07/when-stores-close-due-to-rising-crime-urban-blight-is-back-and-it-will-get-worse/

scenes

A bit more on Kristen Clarke, Biden's nominee for the DOJ Civil Rights Division.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1994/12/6/my-kristen-clarke-problem-pblbast-week/

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1994/11/9/fire-with-fire-pharvard-has-just/

You'd think that the folks running President Potato's strings would be better at vetting, but there you have it.

Honestly, I'm surprised as hell that these haven't been taken down.

George Rebane

Administrivia - per my 616am, I am deleting all off-topic comments that ignored my request.

George Rebane

Dear People - I do appreciate the many thoughtful comments and discussion about the very important topic of 'equity' and public policies proposed to achieve it in this comment stream. Admittedly, pursuing equity is another destructive fool's errand of the Left. For me to respond to the points raised on Murray's research requires more than a comment buried in this comment stream. I'll try to do more clarification in the next addendum to the post, and hopefully it will also be of use to other readers.

In the meantime, I note that a couple of commenter questions/concerns were already addressed in the first addendum. Therefore, I recommend its rereading to see if it will suffice.

Wayne Hullett

Who among you would like to travel on an airplane designed by an engineer who achieved his position not because he was a good engineer, but because equity demanded it. Or be operated upon by a doctor similarly "qualified"?

I can see a good argument that congress critters should be required to be the passengers on the maiden flight of any new airliner designed in the era of equity.

Walt

Speaking of equity,, insider trading at it's finest.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/08/pelosis-husband-bought-amazon-call-options-weeks-before-pentagon-announced-contract-likely-benefitting-company/
"Paul Pelosi, the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), bought Amazon call options just six weeks before the Pentagon announced it was canceling a multi-billion dollar contract with Microsoft and starting a new one that opened a door for Amazon’s participation."

scenes

"Who among you would like to travel on an airplane designed by an engineer who achieved his position not because he was a good engineer, but because equity demanded it. "

No problem. You just make sure that the inspections and engineering standards are carried out by people drawn from the...most...equitous...hey, wait a minute.

re: Paul Pelosi. I don't think you'll get any of the local bolshies' knickers in a twist on that one. It's pretty obvious how corrupt the whole bunch is with rare exceptions, and I'll bet that the rare exceptions aren't powerful enough to matter. The whole machine runs on lucre, and strangely, Nixon was probably the most financially non-corrupt President in our lifetimes.

Now, why you would give a class of people like this moar and moar and moar money and power is a matter for another day. I guess the only saving grace about being devoured by government is that they claim to save us from Jamie Dimon. The difference that makes no difference.

scenes

George, I was thinking about how to get your column in the paper if you can find the data.

Simply use groups that are both remote and aren't extra special protected minorities.

Some sort of chart comparing Finns and Aboriginal Australians perhaps.

scenes

"The LSI Committee conducted a first review and evaluated candidates based solely on contributions to diversity, equity and inclusion. Only candidates that met a high standard in this area were advanced for further review, narrowing the pool down to 214 for serious consideration. The remaining applications were then opened to review by the departmental ad-hoc search committees for short-list consideration. "

https://ofew.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/life_sciences_inititatve.year_end_report_summary.pdf

Bill Tozer

Scenes: re above post.

I noticed on one of the graphs above that Native Americans made up 1.1% of the applicant pool and 20% of the short list. It’s a miracle!
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Police Chief demands apology from Dem state law maker. Good luck with that demand. ‘Equity Demands Reality Denial’, a play on words with the title of this post by Dr. Rebane.

WHAT REP. JOHN THOMPSON REPRESENTS

“The driver, an elected official who does not dispute driving without a front license plate, owes our sergeant an apology.”

Meanwhile, Thompson declined to give St. Paul Police permission to release the body camera video of his traffic stop. That prompted the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association to issue a statement demanding the video’s release.

“Rep. Thompson’s signature issue at the state legislature was advocating for rapid release of police officer’s body camera footage,” MPPOA Executive Director Brian Peters said. “Now he’s blocking the public release of body camera footage of his own incident with law enforcement this past week. As a public official, it’s hypocritical and irresponsible. Constituents have the right to see how their legislator conducted himself, particularly when he made such strong claims about what happened during the traffic stop.”

Thompson is a liar and thug and hypocrite of epic proportions. Thompson charges the sergeant with a pretextual stop on account of Thompson’s race, but Thompson is the master of pretext. Among many other things, Thompson represents the use of alleged r-a-a-a-cism for pretextual purposes.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/07/what-rep-john-thompson-represents.php


scenes

"I noticed on one of the graphs above that Native Americans made up 1.1% of the applicant pool and 20% of the short list. It’s a miracle!"

It better be, or non-Native Americans will burn down all the churches.

I had a fun collage of prominent Canadians calling for more burning but in a heatwave I thought it would be better to keep everyone's blood pressure reduced.

Nope, nothing to see here. Jan 6 insurrection! Squirrel!!

scenes

moi @ 8:34AM

One of my favorites from the hiring process at Dear Ol' Berkeley:

White...Applicant Pool: 58.90% Long List:52.50% Short List:0.00%

The truth is, unless they are part of some other 'disadvantaged' group, ofays might as well steer clear from academia until either rationality reenters the picture, the AI overlords take over, or we find ourselves fighting over the last canned goods on the shelf.

Bill Tozer

Education Insanity: Top 10 Stories Of The Week (Vol. 23)

https://www.dailywire.com/news/education-insanity-top-10-stories-of-the-week-vol-23

Bill Tozer

Not a bad essay. I'll put it here.

'How All My Politically Correct Bones Were Broken'

https://quillette.com/2021/07/07/how-all-my-politically-correct-bones-were-broken/

scenes

re: BillT@10:20PM

That is quite a good article. I have to be careful in that it ticks all my preconceived notion boxes but the author's descriptions sounds accurate.

Truth is, you're not going to turn aside the rolling disaster in your lifetime. The trick is to be as self-sufficient as possible, intellectually/physically/financially, and to make sure that you live near well-behaved people. Unless the Cultural Revolution really cuts loose in earnest, the apocalypse should be an avoidable event.

I was considering how the perfessor in the Quillette article could simply sit back and enjoy the spectacle while still teaching the few students willing to learn. View it as Coyote's or Loki's philosophy of life. There's probably some fun to be had by giving A's to everyone and keeping a bottle in the lower desk drawer but abusive faculty politics from bastards and thieves has to be kind of a drag.

Bill Tozer

@ 6:42 am.

“Truth is, you're not going to turn aside the rolling disaster in your lifetime. “
Yep, I believe you walk twenty miles into the woods, you have to walk twenty miles out. Still, with the homegrown opposition at the local levels against teaching CRT in public schools (and general populace polling showing majority opposition to CRT) gives me optimism....even if the the current outcry is squashed like a bug.

Lord knows that the sixties grads went from their radical professors in college straight to the local school boards to win seats and now they own the whole enchilada. ‘Power to the People’ was a common chant in protests. At least they left us a blueprint.
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Beyond CRT....’the longer view’....as an astute commentator posted recently on Sandbox.

‘The Agenda Worse Than Critical Race Theory’

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/the-agenda-worse-than-critical-race-theory-/


Bill Tozer

‘Dem Party won't admit it's become the party of wealth’

By Victor Davis Hanson

“America is a plutocracy, not a genocracy. Wealth, not race, is the factor most likely to ensure someone power, influence and the good life.

In the pre-civil rights past, race was often fused to class, and the two terms were logically used interchangeably to cite oppression and inequality. But such a canard is fossilized. And so are those who desperately cling to it.

The more the elites scream their woke banalities, the more they seem to fear that they, not most Americans, are really the privileged, coddled and pampered ones — and sometimes the victimizers.”

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0721/hanson071521.php3

scenes

re: from BillT's linked article:

"This agenda is still in the preliminary stages, but, like CRT, it is race-centered and obsesses upon evil whites. But here the focus is on “whiteness” apart from anything specific inflicted on blacks by malevolent whites. Whites just infect blacks as if whiteness were a communicable disease."

At least, in the US or Canada or UK, tribal affiliation built on grievance can be ignored, or at least controlled, due to demographics. It's a problem to the extent we allow it to be. Now, South Africa is a different matter. I'd suggest cancelling any travel plans.

For the activist part of Team Blue (20%? 30%?, obviously there are great hunks made out of bureaucrats, coastal 'knowledge workers', tech executives who are less radical) the ironic thing is that the real crazy comes not from ethnic minorities, but from one readily identifiable group:

Young, mentally-ill, white women.

It becomes obvious if you look at group pictures or run a gill net through twitter posts. It's not only obvious but under-reported, I'll probably use that model in the future for understanding.

Question. To what extent was that demographic involved in the Russian Revolution/Civil War? Do they rhyme in some way? or is this something new stemming from the internet, death of traditional families, general changes in gender norms?

Bill Tozer

A surprisingly good article from the Washington Free Bacon.

‘How Critical Race Theory Led to Kendi’
Pop 'antiracism' is the logical conclusion of CRT

https://freebeacon.com/culture/how-critical-race-theory-led-to-kendi/


scenes

re: BillT@5:58AM

That article pointed me back to this one..
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/americas-white-saviors

which isn't too bad, for one thing it loops back to the Young Mentally-Ill White Women, or at least close enough.

Generally, I'm unsatisfied with explanations that don't dig deeper into the factions in a more fine-grained way. There are obviously different groups at work with different needs. Maybe it's a difference that makes no difference as a religion for the 21st C. becomes more finely honed. There's always been rich bishops and highly-devout villagers getting drunk on feast days.

Any sufficiently large polity needs shared lies to function. A more egalitarian US, filled with self-employed farmers and tradesmen managed to ignore slavery for some time. Our new Lords and Masters, some metastasized clump of intelligence agencies, mega-corporations, and government unions will have it's own internal contradictions. The problem arises when the two groups share a geography. Individual freedom and (more importantly) self-sufficiency will have to be quashed for the new regime to flourish.

Bill Tozer

Scenes: Finished the article. Explains a lot. Good one. Think I may view comments from the usual suspects in a broader light.

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