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31 August 2021

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scenes

I'll suggest a few alternatives.

. Invade the country (which was pretty slick as I remember). Chase around the bad guys knowing you'll never get them all, but give it a good lick. Leave. Wash rinse repeat if needed.

. Invade the country. Divide it into a dozen kingdoms. Bring in a Viceroy to play them off against each other with money and the odd punishment. Worked for the British for some time, it's a proven methodology.

. Invade the country. Deindustrialize it. Remove all fuel, vehicles, weapons, tech that can be found. Leave. It's not 100%, but it'll slow them down a bit.

. Don't invade the country. Bomb bad people for a bit to draw attention from the main effort. Find every backer of Islamic terrorists. Take their money. Doesn't matter if they are Saudi royalty (likely). Keep it up for a few years.

Actually running the place as a country called 'Afghanistan' with a capital and all sounds like a waste of time and is merely applying Western thinking to a strange and foreign land. That's probably also true for a lot of sub Saharan Africa, it's all just a charade.

Book recommendation: The Great Game / Peter Hopkirk

George Rebane

scenes 1201pm - I'll accept those, since they were also part of a previously posted Rebane Doctrine approach. But here I just wanted to illustrate the difference between two messages - one a lie and one the truth (but not necessarily the optimal approach). Had we just kept the Trump scenario going, we could have tried different variations as time passed. None of them would have to be characterized as 'nation building' in our image. The bottom line here is that we avoid getting into decades long slow-boil hot wars with tens of thousands of our troops on the ground.

scenes

GR@12:31PM

My guess is that the US gubmint agencies/subagencies (and to some extent multinational corporations) form warring tribes that want a piece of the action..either some money or just the sheer joy of managing someone else's affairs (while boosting your own career, naturally).

I'd be surprised if there's really a 'Trump' strategy although the aggregate of all those groups certainly makes up a scenario.

Perhaps the problem is that no single person or group is ever in charge. It's just a bunch of mission creeps.

scenes

...having said that, I appreciate your point that the static situation in Afghanistan prior to the Biden Bungle was a starting point for something better, or at least something maintainable. I have no clue what the current cost involved was but the death rate for US troops seemed as low as you could expect, perhaps lower than stateside.

The way this all went down, the harm to relationships with the British and other involved parties, the sheer sloppiness of the whole deal, is clearly unacceptable but about what I would expect. Perhaps if the Men in Dresses who run Democratic politics had better acumen it might have been avoided.

As a side note, Scott Adams had an interesting take on all this in defense of Biden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SxqalBmUIk

begins at 24:30

George Rebane

scenes 1243pm - True, and that kind of 'broken field running' strategy is the best that we can expect to execute if we want to maintain a tolerable geo-strategic state of affairs as the White Hat hegemon. From my perch, Kennan nailed it way back when. Trade global wars that may end civilization for more frequent, low-intensity police actions with willing allies.

Walt

This is what a Idiot prez. calls an extraordinary success?
Lets fix that spelling. "SUCKCESS".
The was was won until Biden was handed it. The Afghan gov saw Biden for what he was. He was no Trump. The antichrist is more like it.
Having to listen that excuse of a speech,,(pass the barf bag)
sure didn't inspire anyone. Just an excuse fest.

My Son did four tours of duty over there, with the Air Guard.
He misses Trump.

Walt

This sure fits the subject matter. Biden wanted LIES.
""I need not tell you the perception around the world and in parts of Afghanistan, I believe, is that things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban," Biden said. "And there is a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.""
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-afghan-president-change-perception-taliban-winning

Damned Progressives' have no honor.

Bill Tozer

Despite WH denial....er....unbeknownst to them, we indeed do have troops in Somalia at this very hour. I am ok with that. Furthermore, we have 900 soldiers which many of whom are Green Berets in Syria. They are there advising the Syrian Democratic Forces fighting the Islamic State. I’m ok with that.
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NO BLINKEN WAY

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/08/no-blinken-way.php
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Walt

This will look good come election day.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/31/house-republicans-press-to-hold-joe-biden-accountable-for-deadly-afghan-withdrawal/
"“Democrats just blocked a vote to require a plan from President Biden to bring Americans home and to account for all the military equipment he left behind,”"

Bill Tozer

Tells us the Truth instead. Ok.

‘Brent Bozell: Afghanistan Is Such a Disaster, Even Biden’s Media Hacks Can’t Save Him’

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nb-staff/2021/08/31/brent-bozell-afghanistan-such-disaster-even-bidens-media-hacks-cant

Oh, they (media) will bitch slap Joe around for a day, but only just this one time. It was simply too big of a tornado ripping through to call it a breeze. Damage everywhere. But, next time Joe, we got your back. In a couple of days things will be back to normal. Pssst. Don’t forget to blame Trump!

The bitch slapping continues for a few more hours. I have never seen such a thing. MSNBC?

https://www.newsbusters.org/ Joy Reid to the rescue. Let the spin begin. It’s Trump’s fault!

Barry Pruett

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9945031/amp/Biden-told-Afghan-President-needed-change-perception-Talibans-rapid-advance.html?__twitter_impression=true

Biden lied. Americans died.

Bombshell transcript from July reveals Biden pressured Afghan President Ghani to create 'perception' Taliban wasn't winning 'WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT'

fishniglio

They've also positively invited journalists to document their treasure, losing no moment to show the cameras what the Americans left behind, in a constant insult to injury message to Washington and the West.

During his speech on Tuesday, President Biden hailed the US exit and evacuation efforts an "extraordinary success". He said, "No nation has ever done anything like it in all of history; only the United States had the capacity and the will and ability to do it." In a deeply ironic, twisted, and tragic sense... this statement is true, just not at all in the way the president thinks.



"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."


~Former president "Sugar Frosted Barry O's"


And who would know better........

fishniglio

Does this count as truth....


Biden Administration Erased Afghan Weapons Reports From Federal Websites



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-administration-erased-afghan-weapons-reports-federal-websites

George Rebane

fish 1003am - A question properly posed for our Biden supporters.

Walt

One for our poll dancer.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/01/poll-majority-of-voters-say-biden-should-resign-over-botched-afghanistan-withdrawal/
"Overall, a majority, or 52 percent, said “yes,” Biden should resign, while 39 percent said he should not. Opinions over Biden resigning are sharply divided along party lines, as three-quarters of Republicans say he should — a sentiment held by nearly one-third of Democrats, 32 percent, and a plurality of independents, 48 percent."

A poll tells the truth for a change?

Don Bessee

Here is one for the great ponytail of ignorance -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/01/president-bidens-approval-plunges-to-record-low-after-stranding-americans-in-afghanistan/

;-)

Don Bessee

Creepy grampa joe even lost his own staff on this one -

"I am absolutely appalled and literally horrified we left Americans there," the official said. "It was a hostage rescue of thousands of Americans in the guise of a NEO [noncombatant evacuation operations], and we have failed that no-fail mission."

Another administration official told Politico that they didn't consider the mission to be accomplished if Americans were abandoned in Afghanistan.

The officials' concerns came the same day that Biden vigorously defended his handling of the withdrawal.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-official-horrified-biden-abandoning-americans

;-)

Bill Tozer

Today’s quotes go here. Best place for them

Insight: “The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes.” —Justice Felix Frankfurter (1882-1965)

“Talk about a catastrophic success. The Biden administration wants credit for the Afghanistan evacuation as measured by the sheer number of people it flew out amid a security and humanitarian crisis of its own making. This is the arsonist bragging about how many fires he has put out. … That the U.S flew out more than 115,000 people out of Kabul is a testament to the awesome capabilities of the United States military. It is not in any way a vindication of President Biden’s exit.” —Rich Lowry

“It’s hard to imagine any prior American president, perhaps with the exception of Jimmy Carter, abandoning Americans behind enemy lines. Theodore Roosevelt mustered the naval might of the United States to save one American who had been kidnapped in Morocco in 1904. Barack Obama traded five Guantanamo detainees for Bowe Bergdahl in 2014. Even Biden felt the impulse to get every last American out. He pledged to do it in his interview with George Stephanopoulos. In order to keep his promise to the Taliban to get out by August 31, though, he broke his promise to his countrymen.” —Rich Lowry

“At a time when the U.S. needed a strong president, we got a weak and inept politician. At a time when the U.S. needed courageous leadership, we got a bumbling coward. At a time when we needed a truth-teller in the White House, we got a habitual liar. As a result, American military families are grieving, and the blood of their loved ones is on Biden’s hands. … [The president] has negotiated with the Taliban from a position of weakness, on his knees, with their gun held to his head. Not only does the Taliban not fear Biden — they laugh at him. He couldn’t frighten a puppy.” —Oliver North & David Goetsch

“There are many bad people and many bad countries in the world, and only a fear of good countries prevents them from conquering other countries. There is less fear of good countries in the world today than at any time since World War II. And that is especially so because the good countries are preoccupied with their own alleged evils rather than with the world’s real evils.” —Dennis Prager

“My reason for submitting a letter of resignation: A lack of trust and confidence in your ability to lead.” —final line of Marine Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller’s resignation letter

Friendly fire: “Many people I’m speaking to say we are far worse off than we were from the beginning because within a few weeks of launching this war, the Taliban were overthrown, al-Qaeda was scattered. Now, the U.S. is leaving after 20 years with the Taliban in power and the United States having been driven out. It’s a tremendous legacy. … Some have described it as the worst capitulation of Western values in our lifetimes.” —NBC News’s Richard Engel

The BIG Lie: “We have Americans that get stranded in countries all the time.” —Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby

Grand delusions I: “We have considerable leverage over the Taliban.” —National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan

Grand delusions II: “We have enormous leverage over the Taliban.” —White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki

Non compos mentis I: “The U.S. … has our own far religious right dreaming of a theocracy that would impose a particular brand of Christianity, drive women from the workforce and solely into childbirth, and control all politics.” —MSNBC’s Joy Reid

Non compos mentis II: “Always funny to me when [Christians] pretend their religion is somehow less oppressive of women than Islam.” —freelance journalist Michelle Taylor, a.k.a. Feminista Jones

Non compos mentis III: “The Taliban allow no liberty of conscience. They are like #ChristianNationalists and other American Christian fundamentalists.” —Duke University theology professor Curtis Freeman

Non compos mentis IV: “Make no mistake; Christian evangelicals are America’s #taliban and weld [sic] as much power too in their society.” —author John Smith

Non compos mentis V: “The Taliban are as fanatical about their beliefs and culture as the millions of people right here in the U.S. who believe in religion, conspiracy theories, and alternate reality.” —actor Tim Russ

And last… “The President made the decision to trust the Taliban. The President made the decision to set an arbitrary August 31st deadline. The President made the decision to abandon Bagram Air Base. The President made the decision not to expand the perimeter around Karzai International Airport. The President made the decision to undermine our NATO allies. The President made the decision to break our word to our Afghan partners. The President made the decision to tell one lie after another as the crisis unfolded. The President made the morally indefensible decision to leave Americans behind. Dishonor was the President’s choice. May history never forget this cowardice.” —Senator Ben Sasse

George Rebane

Only Biden has constituents dim enough to credit him for evacuating tens of thousands of the wrong people (i.e. without SIVs)

Barry Pruett

With the exposure of lie after lie by the Biden administration (real lies and the crap the MSM said that Trump “lied” about), his entire presidency and the entire marxist movement is going down the tubes. One thing that we can always count on is that Marxists and Democrats will always overreach and they will always lie.

Note to reader: Anything is quotes indicates bullshit. Lol

scenes

BarryP: "Bombshell transcript from July reveals Biden pressured Afghan President Ghani to create 'perception' Taliban wasn't winning 'WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT'"

A take I agree with from here in flyover country.

Glenn Greenwald:

"Someone inside the intelligence or military world illegally leaked a transcript of Biden's July 23 conversation with Ghani as punishment for his withdrawing from Afghanistan.

They did the same to Trump constantly. If you think the US has no Deep State, you understand nothing."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1433164076583170053

Walt

Our LIE counter has been MIA. The crypt keeper doing his job for a change?

Walt

One more truth.
https://redstate.com/jimthompson/2021/09/01/code-red-joes-gun-emporium-no-background-check-needed-n436415

Don Bessee

Well thats a big yes its true -

Psaki dodges questions about Biden pressing Afghan president to change 'perception' of Taliban dominance
White House press secretary refuses to 'go into the details of a private conversation'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/psaki-dodges-questions-biden-pressing-afghan-president-perception-taliban

;-)

Don Bessee

The creepy grampa joe show is running on fumes -

Biden's Afghanistan speech written poorly with even worse delivery, experts say
Biden 'almost shouted every word, to the point where it was too much, too hot, and too defensive,' said Ari Fleischer

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-afghanistan-speech-written-poorly-experts

;-)

Don Bessee

Right on cue the lamestream pull cloak around creepy grampa joe -

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cbs-evening-news-biden-afghanistan-texas-abortion-law

;-)

Bill Tozer

on a lighter side of this mournful time....busting things is so easy a caveman can do it.

'Taliban Angry Helicopters Left In Kabul By U.S. Military Don’t Work: Report'

https://www.dailywire.com/news/taliban-angry-helicopters-left-in-kabul-by-u-s-military-dont-work-report

Too bad the Tailban killed all the Afghan pilots and aircraft mechanics they could find for helping the Afghan government.

Don Bessee

BT@ 840 While the murder of the afgans best pilots is a fact there is another unfortunate fact. Wile we were there for a generation and were able to train some pilots the maintainers was a whole different issue because of how high tech and complicated, they never had a robust cohort of competent technicians. You also had a culture of corruption like you could not imagine. That bled the supply system.

It was an army of contractor maintainers who were generally prior service vets often US but others for the russian stuff.

When creepy grampa joe was told to abandon fortress bagrahm the contractors said we outa here for good reasons.

Could you imagine if it was FIRST evacuate the vulnerable, Repatriate or give to other allies all the gear that was worth it.

Then you have the option to hold what you want like we had with 2k and air power or scoot. The taliban never had upheld the deal under 45 so kept the 2k and air.

;-(

Bill Tozer

Don
humanitarian crisis next. The Tailban are not ready to govern a nation. People gotta work, people gotta eat...especially all those suddenly unemployed Afghan ladies.

Its hard to think of Afghanistan as a country. Don't know if it ever was. Its a region.

Half the population has never known a life without the US there. Avg age is 18.

Should we support the resistance in the mountain regions near Pakistan like we did back in day when they were fighting the Russians on their turf? They dont like the Tailban, they no like ISIS, they don't recognize no stinkin' federal government. They are dug in and waiting. Pak regions, 2 out of 23 regions. Might even have a few Stingers left, if they didn't use them all blasting Russian helos out of the sky.


And here we are.

Walt

The truth of Biden's "lie through your false teeth" phone call
has most of the world pissed.
Now I recall another phone call that was perfectly legit (looking into Biden's corruption) that LIBS used to improperly impeach Trump. (still didn't work).

Now collusion and conspiracy to cover up things going to shit?
Even Baghdad Bob with boobs has explaining to do.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jen-psaki-tweet-trump-phone-call-ukraine
"However, a 2019 tweet from the then-CNN contributor called for transparency in the early weeks of then-President Donald Trump's Ukraine scandal that ultimately resulted in his impeachment. It chiefly involved a phone call Trump had with counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky about investigating Biden and his son Hunter.

"It is not just the call transcript. The whistleblower complaint would likely have more details. We need both. And not just the call," Psaki wrote at the time."

NOW we get,,,
"At the White House press briefing on Wednesday, Psaki dodged questions about Biden's phone call with Ghani.

"Well, I'm not going to get into private, diplomatic conversations or leaked transcripts of phone calls,""

George Rebane

Walt 843am - Again we can expect our Left’s response to this double standard will be their usual ‘duck and cover’.

Walt

How can Biden even read the teleprompter? His eyes are closed.

Bill Tozer

Biden was not sleeping with his eyes closed. He was going 40 winks. He cat naps often when speaking, teleprompter or not.

Walt

Not good for Biden and apologists. That "lie to the people" phone call has really pissed off the peoples.
The double standard about the Trump phone call is just an extra kick to the nuts.(If you can find them on a LIB)

No,, this ain't going to blow over and the LIBS will gain back credibility out of thin air.

Walt

More truth shot to hell.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/fda-resignations-white-house-booster-guidance-mess

So much for solid science. More lies from the Biden admin.

Barry Pruett

Biden lied. People died.

https://justthenews.com/government/white-house/evidence-mounts-biden-manufactured-weeks-long-false-narrative-afghanistan

Walt

Barry. As good as it sounds, Biden ain't going to get impeached. Queen Nan won't have it. Besides. too many "fall on thy sward" LIBS in the Senate.
The People's Socialist Democrat party has a stooge that will sign anything they get in front of him.
A Manchurian candidate if there ever was. China will activate him soon enough.

Walt

What the hell? The Biden crew and the CDC said they didn't leave the critters behind.... So how will they explain this?
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/09/02/taliban-service-dogs-abandoned-biden/
"A Taliban commander told Russian state media on Wednesday that the new rulers of Afghanistan have plans for using the service dogs abandoned by President Joe Biden during his chaotic withdrawal from Kabul.

Murad Gazdiev, a correspondent for Russia’s RT.com, said he found most of the dog cages at the Kabul airport open and empty, with only a single “very scared and evidently traumatized” stray dog in evidence."

Barry Pruett

If they can impeach Trump for a phone call where no law was broken, Biden is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors for providing aid to the enemy (i.e. providing the kill list of Americans stuck in Afghanistan and the list of Afghan employees who couldn’t get out on the SIV Program). Biden lied and people died. Aid to the enemy is treason and certainly impeachable. While Republicans and Democrats have both made impeachment cheap (Clinton and now Trump), this act is certainly impeachable. That said, I’d rather keep Biden in office as long as possible so Republicans can wrap that albatross around the neck of every Democrat until 2025. Talk about the biggest loser in presidential history. Biden is gonna drag down the democrats for a generation. The marxists push is over. Lol

Walt

OH Barry.. Did you just call Emery out!!?
"Talk about the biggest loser in presidential history. Biden is gonna drag down the democrats for a generation."

Yup,, You sure done did.👍🤣

Lets see him try and blame this on Trump.

Don Bessee

That did not take long, creepy grampa joe and the socialists just love them some mutha mullahs -

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/09/02/u-s-afghan-military-equipment-iran/

Their hero, now we know what he meant by build back better!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cartoons-slideshow

;-)

Don Bessee

The sniveling lapdogs tow the party line to protect creepy grampa joe and the basement show, who is running the WH? -

CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC avoid Biden's bombshell phone call urging Afghan prez to push stability 'perception'
Ghani warned Biden in July 'we are facing a full-scale invasion' by the Taliban and other terrorists, according to Reuters

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-msnbc-abc-cbs-nbc-avoid-biden-phone-call

;-)

Walt

Emery will say the phone call was all on the up and up.. It's OK for Progressives to lie. Right Emery?

Don Bessee

They speak with forked flicking reptile mouth, ya sure its all about the science.

Siegel acknowledged that studies out of Israel indicate a significant reduction to the spread of the virus, but that the "confusion" between the White House and health officials have complicated matters.

"It’s a combination of things where the messaging is coming out of the White House and not of the FDA, and also out of the NIH with Tony Fauci and Dr. Francis Collins has said, ‘Hey, we might have the vaccines for the 5 to 11 year olds in a couple of months’ … well, FDA hasn’t reviewed the data yet," Siegel explained. "And with the boosters, the president himself said, ‘We’re going to get boosters in a month,’ and the FDA says, ‘Wait, we haven’t reviewed the data yet.’"

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/fda-resignations-white-house-booster-guidance-mess

;-)

Don Bessee

Heres one for the po ol pollhead -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/02/poll-biden-loses-independents-on-afghanistan-approval-drops-to-43-percent/

;-)

Don Bessee

Hey ponytail of ignorance you two are like brothers -

Gunslinger Joe

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cartoons-slideshow

;-)

Bill Tozer

For Biden’s political fortunes, it’s best to move on from Afghanistan.

WHEN THE NEW YORK TIMES HAS MOVED ON
The New York Times is basically done with Afghanistan. My friend the Times reader reports:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/09/when-the-new-york-times-has-moved-on.php

Bill Tozer

Cacophony and Confusion in Foreign Policy
By Patrick J. Buchanan

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/cacophony-and-confusion-in-foreign-policy/
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Not even one mention of Afghanistain from Raw Story. Nothing to see over there. Even the crickets have checked into The Roach Motel.

Barry Pruett

So Biden is bringing in Afghan child traffickers but left the service dogs to fend for themselves in Afghanistan. Got it. Lol. What a Moron.

Bill Tozer

Flashback: Summer of 2017

'Trump blasted top military generals as ‘a bunch of dopes and babies’ according to new book'

"....the meeting quickly devolved into an angry rant by Trump, who accused top U.S. military officials of incompetence.

He called Afghanistan a “loser war” and told generals assembled there that “you don’t know how to win anymore.” He attacked the group for the costs of ongoing military operations overseas and..."

"I wouldn’t go to war with you people,” the book quotes Trump as saying to the military officials. “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/01/17/trump-blasted-top-military-generals-as-a-bunch-of-dopes-and-babies-according-to-new-book/

Barry Pruett

Trump calling it like it is. Painful truths apparently.

Bill Tozer

Give credit where credit is due. Kudos to MSPMS..er...MSLSD..er...MSNBC!

'Incompetence And Failure And Disorganization’: MSNBC Takes Aim At Biden’s Withdrawal Fiasco'

https://www.dailywire.com/news/incompetence-and-failure-and-disorganization-msnbc-takes-aim-at-bidens-withdrawal-fiasco-by-ben-johnson

Bill Tozer

"Only Biden has constituents dim enough to credit him for evacuating tens of thousands of the wrong people (i.e. without SIVs)"

Posted by: George Rebane | 01 September 2021 at 02:04 PM
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Yep. Our State Department has announced that the MAJORITY of SIVs were left behind.

Bill Tozer

The internet has changed the way we communicate.
Saw a clip of Tailban fighters petting the US service dogs left behind. The translation went like this:'(Mohammad?) did not like dogs, but we feed them and treat them nice.'

here is a more sanitized collection of memes. The ones I saw were excellent, but not fit for general consumption on these pages. They really focused on the Rainbow flag and such.

https://www.opindia.com/2021/09/taliban-leader-accounts-mocks-usa-with-pepe-the-frog-and-other-edgy-4chan-memes/

Bill Tozer

First and foremost: Kudos to Scenes on Sept 1, 2:22 pm. Wow. I have been chewing on that for 3 days. The revenge of the Deep State. They have 6 ways to Sunday to get back at you. First Trump, now Biden. A mental video montage of examples through the years in my mind. Obama threw up his arms, made his peace with them, the spent his last two years with his feet up on his desk. They caused him no grief as long as he went along to get along.

repost:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1433164076583170053
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Second, an opinion piece from the Wa Compost. psst: (Its by one of Punchy's favorite sources and writers.)

'Biden’s Afghan retreat has done irreparable damage to our alliances'
The Washington Post

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/bidens-afghan-retreat-has-done-irreparable-damage-to-our-alliances/

Don Bessee

Like good little soviet apparatchiks they revise history that is not good think after actually reporting what the parents said however -

NY Times changes Biden headline that claimed 'not everyone wants to hear about' his late son Beau
One Gold Star parent claimed the president shouldn't have spoken about his own son during last month's transfer of remains of service members killed in Kabul

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-times-biden-headline-son-beau

;-)

Barry Pruett

The media lies, and the American people caught on. This one simple fact is probably the most important thing that came out of the trump era. Trump showed that it’s OK to call the media out as liars. We have been doing locally for years. Everyone advised against it locally, but we won.

The Estonian Fox

This must be the reasom we left $80B of stuff in Afghanistan.
Pete Buttigieg, the Sec. of Transportation, was in charge of retrieving the $80B of materiel from Afghanistan, but he couldn't make it. Too busy tending to the birthing.

He & his husband Chasten announced birth of twins with sweet photo. USA TODAY, updated 1:51 p.m. Sep 4, 2021
Congratulations are in order for Pete Buttigieg and his husband, Chasten, who welcomed their twin children. "Chasten and I are beyond thankful for all the kind wishes since first sharing the news that we’re becoming parents".

Steven Frisch

The media lies, and the American people caught on. This one simple fact is probably the most important thing that came out of the trump era. Trump showed that it’s OK to call the media out as liars. We have been doing locally for years. Everyone advised against it locally, but we won.

Posted by: Barry Pruett | 05 September 2021 at 08:18 AM

It is utterly hilarious to me that you believe you "won."

Let's be clear, you do not control anything locally other than a few state and federal legislative seats, where at the state level the broader political trends have rendered them completely impotent, and at the national level the changing demographic is certain to either guarantee frozen governance in the short term, or eventually a permanent minority of aggrieved, discontented late middle aged and elderly white men.

The County has moved on from you guys....the majority of the people see...they see your embrace of nihilism, irrationality, conspiracy theories, violence and insurrection...and frankly just laugh behind your backs.

Walt

Back at ya' Steve,, care to defend your dear leader Biden?
Here are the charges. Tel us it ain't so.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/09/05/gop-rep-mast-biden-should-be-impeached-for-treason/
" “Impeachment is absolutely something that should be considered. I would say no less than 10,000 counts of reckless endangerment, all of the American lives over there. That’s the minimum. That is the real crime.”

He continued, “We know for a fact that the Taliban is the sworn enemy of the United States of America. We are still in the midst of the war on terror, and as I said, I would absolutely consider the manipulation of intelligence, giving aid and comfort to the enemy. All three of those things are part of what meets the constitutional definition of treason.”"

Never mind the many times Biden has lied through his false teeth on national TV knowing full well what he was saying were LIES.

Trump had plan for withdrawal well established. Biden scrapped it. That's on Biden.

George Rebane

re StevenF 1058am - Admitted, CA is in its own league of insane states attempting inure themselves to socialism, and educate their constituents to embrace that label. On the local level led by progressive intellectuals like SteveF, they are well on their way to convincing the Democrat voters that it is indeed possible to tax an economy to wealth, since they all teach that tax rates do not affect economic behavior. Evidence of their success appears daily in the op-ed pages of The Union.

Walt

Some do-gooders attempted to make cheap, safe housing for the homeless some time back out of cargo containers. They couldn't get past the state's liberal building codes.

Barry Pruett

It is clear the community at-large is well-aware that journalism is dead locally. There is only advocacy and propaganda. Winning.

scenes

re: Walt@11:44

Just add big giant wheels and it's deja vu all over again. Gorilla Love always makes me laugh my ass off.

https://sierrafoothillsreport.com/2011/05/25/help-build-micro-homes-for-our-homeless-on-may-29/

For anyone who likes shipping containers, which are related to practical home-building technique only in that they are box-shaped, I've always liked this series. The guy is well meaning but just gets deeper and deeper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA5fh29rhLs

anyhoo, more on topic: https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/taliban-resume-some-flights-press-assault-on-final-holdout

Don Bessee

Creepy grampa joes state dept is feuding with the DOD and not helping Americans trying to get out of kabul -

Two other American individuals separately involved in evacuation efforts, whom Fox News is not naming to avoid jeopardizing ongoing rescue efforts, similarly said that the State Department is the sole entity preventing their charter flights from leaving Afghanistan.

"This is zero place to be negotiating with American lives. Those are our people standing on the tarmac and all it takes is a f****ing phone call," one of those individuals, who has been integral to private evacuation efforts from Afghanistan, told Fox News.

"If one life is lost as a result of this, the blood is on the White House's hands. The blood is on their hands," that individual said, adding: "It is not the Taliban that is holding this up – as much as it sickens me to say that – it is the United States government."

That individual suggested that the State Department's obstruction is motivated in part by embarrassment that private individuals are rescuing Americans that the U.S. government left behind.

Military command over Al Udeid Air Base in Doha, Qatar, have informed those seeking clearance to land that they must first go through the State Department to gain approval, an email reviewed by Fox News shows.

Clay has a manifest of 4,500 names of U.S. citizens, green card holders, SIVs and refugees trying to get state-side. So far, they've given the State Department 800 names for a first round of flights. Fox News has reviewed that manifest, which confirms Clay's account.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-department-blocking-private-evacuation-flights-afghanistan

;-)

Dick Cabeza

Middle East hostage crises 2.0
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/05/report-taliban-holding-flights-americans-hostage/

Created by Joe Biden. Let the cargo plane loads of cash start departing.

Barry Pruett

Yep
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-department-blocking-private-evacuation-flights-afghanistan

Now Blinken just left for Doha. Fool is trying to save face. Gonna try to take credit for private individuals helping get Americans out of Afghanistan, but it is a lie.

Don Bessee

Not if you watch npr, msnbc et al.

;-)

Bill Tozer

Hey, thats what the Chair of the Joints Chiefs said 3 weeks ago beore the premature withdraw: We di not have the resources to go out and bring Americans to the zirport. No resources. Pass the baton to State. No resources there either and those veterans and private funded rescuers bettet not pull Americans out of the Shithole and embarrass the Biden Plan! That would be un-American.

link to follow

Bill Tozer

Biden State Dept Says It Has No Resources To Rescue Trapped Flights In Afghanistan, No ‘Reliable Means’ To Confirm Details: Report

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-state-dept-says-it-has-no-resources-to-rescue-trapped-flights-in-afghanistan-no-reliable-means-to-confirm-details-report

exit question: When Afghan nationals were first flown to US military bases stateside, why was there an urgent call for translators to communicate with our new refugees?? Was it because we left the Afghan translators behind? Silly me, I thought they got first dibs after Americans and green card holders.

Miltary sez, "Don't ask us, its turned over to State diplomats." State diplomats sez, "Don't ask us, ask the WH." WH sez, "chocolate, chocolate."

Don Bessee

Fools are the creepy grampa joe brain trust -

What’s happened though is we’ve left American citizens behind just as you’ve noted here and that is extremely concerning. I’ve just returned from a trip to London and to Brussels, meeting with allies in the U.K. and at NATO. We’ve got British citizens that have been left behind too. This activity that is taking place is not just with Americans but it's also with our allies who are suffering in exactly the same means and we have left them in this condition. I mean, the frustration that they conveyed to me was palpable. What they talked about was a situation where we let a calendar drive our approach to Afghanistan rather than the conditions on the ground and that’s what yields a situation precisely like the one that you just showed with this lady whose expecting a child trying to get out and not knowing what her future may be. We should have never let a calendar drive it. We shouldn’t let local domestic politics drive it. That’s the perception overseas. We should have been driving this based on the conditions on the ground and that’s not what happened here.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bill-hagerty-biden-calendar-drive-us-withdrawal-afghanistan

;-)

Barry Pruett

Called it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/state-department-steal-credit-rescue-4-americans-organizer

Bill Tozer

Warning. The source is PMSNBC so it probably is fake.

MSNBC: BIDEN WH IS BLOCKING THE PLANES WITH AMERICANS AND SIV HOLDERS FROM TAKING OFF FROM AFGHANISTAN
‘These are our allies and this is a growing political problem that won’t go away’

https://news.grabien.com/story-msnbc-biden-wh-blocking-planes-americans-and-siv-holders-tak

Walt

That's what Progressives do Barry, Just like Biden trying to take credit for everything Trump did.

Barry Pruett

Our government is blocking flights. How much you want to bet that flights will start after USA recognizes taliban as legit government of Afghanistan and we pay billion of dollars? Biden is a moron

Don Bessee

The real people know how bad it is and honor our kabul 13 -

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2021/09/06/high-school-football-afghanistan/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/06/florida-police-texas-roadhouse-tribute/

;-)

Walt

The LIBS favorite catch words "common sense". It in juts about every "vote for me" and "don't vote for him" commercial.
They use it when yapping at the podium.
But LIBS don't posses "common sense".

Don Bessee

An utter failure in just a few months now thats some accomplishment -

Sh*tshow Joe Summer: Biden Presidency Already Historic Failure

Afghanistan, Border Crisis, Inflation, Rising Crime, Plummeting Approval — & More

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/06/summer-bummer-joe-biden-presidency-suffers-historic-failure/

;-)

Bill Tozer

My, my. When you lose Stolen Valor Blumenthal, you can't get much lower than that.
First thing Trump would have done is cut the bureaucratic red tape and threaten to eviscerate the Tailban commander's home village.

'Democratic Senator ‘Furious’ Over Biden’s ‘Inaction’ To Save Hundreds Of Stranded Americans, Afghan Allies'

https://www.dailywire.com/news/democratic-senator-furious-over-bidens-inaction-to-save-hundreds-of-stranded-americans-afghan-allies

Bill Tozer

Finally, the Feds tell the truth. Red letter day, Mark it on your calendar.

‘Feds don't want to resettle Afghan refugees in California because it is too expensive’

https://justthenews.com/nation/states/feds-say-california-too-expensive-welcome-afghan-refugees

Bill Tozer

Re update:

“Meanwhile, to keep the Return of the Ragheads under wraps, the Democrats have qued up Covid and climate change for their lamestream as the next diversionary dollops for dimwits.”

I, too, have noticed that the suddenly Climate Catastrophe was back in the news. Latest is we have 24 months to save the planet. Not to be outdone, another outlet claimed we have 12 months. 12 months! Quick, run to the hills and hide in caves! We are all gonna die, being fried like a Frito. Ida, abortion, Delta are welcome relief to the Dems scurrying away from Biden’s Afghanistan colossal clustergluck like the rats they are. They got smoked out and running for cover.

Dems have gone back to the drawing board. Larry Elder is a racist, White Supremists (all 7,000 of them) are flooding the country and taking over our democracy, and booster shots as far as the eye can see for the Never Ending Story of the Never Ending Pandemic. The new normal.

12-24 months until our planet is uninhabitable certainly would blow Afghanistan off Page One-Page Six. They ever paraded out Greta Thornberg, but that shiny toy was lost its luster and she is pissed (what other emotion does she have?) than no one is listening no more to her. Guess horse dewormer will fill at least one news cycle until it was revealed as a hoax.

Aha. Vindman’s book is out and is making the talking head circuit. Jan 6 is still trying and failing to gain 24/7 traction.

Well, HIV came along and blew Herpes off the front pages. Can’t wait to see something bigger than Afghanistan to blow it off the news cycle. Strike that. There are multiple stories of much less importance already blowing Afghanistan into the circular file of yesterday’s news.

Bill Tozer

White House: Just stop. You are looking like fools with your lying two step. Just stop.

First, Psaki got all upset at the reporter using the term 'stranded' Americans in his question. 'There are no stranded Americans. I take offense at the word Stranded!' ok fine. How about 'left behind', 'abandoned', 'long time no come see'.

Now its 'there are no hostages'. Yes, I am quite certain that the Biden State Department is unaware of any hostage situations...judging solely by the quite recent past performances of our current State Department:

Blinken ‘Not Aware’ Of Any ‘Hostage-Like Situation’ In Afghanistan, ‘Assured’ By Taliban Americans Being Allowed To Leave

https://www.dailywire.com/news/blinken-not-aware-of-any-hostage-like-situation-in-afghanistan-assured-by-taliban-americans-being-allowed-to-leave

Please, just stop it.

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane: Tell is the truth instead?
Great Caesar’s Ghost, man, get a hold of yourself. You are losing it if you expect one ounce of truth from those lefty Commie Bastards. Their whole agenda is to tear down America and like the Islamic terrorists, Muhammad said it is ok to lie.

Tell us the truth instead? You just fell off the turnip truck or what? You take a drunken liar and sober him up and what do you get? You get a liar. You take a drunken horse thief and sober him up and what do you get? A horse thief. Tell us the truth instead? That’s a good one, Dr. Rebane. Too funny. :)

WHOLE LOTTA LYIN’ GOIN’ ON

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/09/whole-lotta-lyin-goin-on-2.php

George Rebane

BillT 547pm - Mr Tozer, there is no harm in going on the record and asking - it costs nothing and keeps the bright light on the sleazebags. Remember, asking does not necessarily mean you expect a timely and cogent answer.

Don Bessee

Just as predicted when creepy grampa joe and the socialists left bagram intact, Fing idots -

The Chinese military is reportedly eyeing a move into Bagram Air Base, only weeks after the Biden administration ordered a withdrawal from what was the United States' largest military installation in Afghanistan.

Multiple sources confirmed to U.S. News that the Chinese military is assessing the feasibility of sending soldiers and other officials to the abandoned military base, which the Biden administration shuttered in July before a full withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Generals and lawmakers warned President Biden against giving up the base, which was the largest American installation on China's western border, during the Taliban offensive. The president went ahead with the withdrawal in spite of the warnings.

"Should the United States and China come to blows in the Pacific, a second front will be critical given China's ability to concentrate its naval and missile assets around Taiwan," House Armed Services Committee member Mike Waltz (R., Fla.), a former Green Beret, wrote in May. "Unexplainably, in addition to giving up the only air base in the world located in a country that physically borders China and Russia's southern border, the Biden administration will also give up a key strategic foothold along Iran's eastern flank, and along the nuclear-equipped and unstable Pakistan

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-eyes-takeover-of-us-air-base-in-afghanistan/

;-)

Don Bessee

The creepy grampa joe admin has lost face and the chi coms are rubbing their faces in it. Is anyone surprised? Didn't think so.-

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/kerry-reduced-to-zoom-as-ccp-rolls-out-red-carpet-for-taliban/

;-)

Bill Tozer

What about the refugees?

Lotuseaters

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=897354907854854&notif_id=1631174547221002&notif_t=watch_follower_video&ref=notif
—————————-
Under the category ‘Nobody is perfect’

‘Taliban Tortured Journalists Who Covered Protests In Kabul Despite ‘Free Press’ Pledge: Report’

“The beaten reporters and their colleagues said that they received a firm warning from the Taliban before being allowed to leave: “What these protesters were doing is illegal and by covering such things, you all broke the law. We will let you go this time, but next time you won’t be let out so easily.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/taliban-tortured-journalists-who-covered-protests-in-kabul-despite-free-press-pledge-report
——————
Meanwhile, back in the Spin Room:

‘Biden Admin Praises Taliban On Week Of 9/11 Anniversary: ‘Businesslike And Professional’

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-admin-praises-taliban-on-week-of-9-11-anniversary-businesslike-and-professional

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