Climate Hysteria 3.0 (maybe 4.0)

George Rebane

‘Settled’ is not an adjective to be used with real science.

The recently released AR6 report by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has injected new life into climate hysteria that seems to have been flagging over the last few years.  The usual hysterics are again up in arms with another round of outlandish warnings and proposals to tank the economies of the developed countries, led, of course, by the US.  More sober and knowledgeable scientists are saying ‘not so fast’.

Physicist Steven Koonin has been introduced in these pages as one of the leading sober and knowledgeable scientists who has for some years now been counseling a more measured view of climate change.  His recent best seller, Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters (2021), summarizes the unsubstantiated fears and foibles that continue to be foisted on the lay public worldwide.  The 11aug21 WSJ, from which the nearby figure was filched, contains his critique of AR6, and is definitely worth a read.  I’ll give some highlights.

To begin for those late to this pity party, what all the fuss is about that we are ignoring a global catastrophe in process – namely, preventable manmade global warming (PMGW).  Every word in that label is important, and it’s the ‘preventable’ part that promises to be most devastating to the fortunes of developed countries.  You have to be convinced that we humans did it all by ourselves, and that therefore we can and must roll back global warming all by ourselves.

In ‘Climate Change Brings a Flood of Hyperbole’ Dr Koonin begins with -

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has issued its latest report assessing the state of the climate and projecting its future. As usual, the media and politicians are exaggerating and distorting the evidence in the report. They lament an allegedly broken climate and proclaim, yet again, that we are facing the “last, best chance” to save the planet from a hellish future. In fact, things aren’t—and won’t be—anywhere near as dire.

The entire history of climate reporting has been a mire of politicized fraud.  RR readers learned years ago that all the prognostications about PMGW are based on a collection of incoherent, incomplete, and essentially broken general circulation models (e.g. we don't understand earth's CO2 cycle).  The have been twisted beyond recognition by true believers and fraudsters to yield the gee-whiz graphs and endlessly repeated, hysterical talking points.

It is already easy to see things in this report that you almost certainly won’t learn from the general media coverage. Most important, the model muddle continues. We are repeatedly told “the models say.” But the complicated computer models used to project future temperature, rainfall and so on remain deficient. Some models are far more sensitive to greenhouse gases than others. Many also disagree on the baseline temperature for the Earth’s surface. … The latest models also don’t reproduce the global climate of the past. The models fail to explain why rapid global warming occurred from 1910 to 1940, when human influences on the climate were less significant. The report also presents an extensive “atlas” of future regional climates based on the models. Sounds authoritative. But two experts, Tim Palmer and Bjorn Stevens, write in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that the lack of detail in current modeling approaches makes them “not fit” to describe regional climate. The atlas is mainly meant to scare people.

The other big bamboozle involves pointing to unusual weather as confirmation of climate change.  These assessments and dire pronouncements are made daily by innumerates who have no idea what science is or how it can substantiate something.

Extreme weather events are invoked as proof of impending disaster. But the floods in Europe and China and record temperatures across regions of the U.S. are weather, not climate—singular events, not decadeslong trends. Both Europe and China have experienced equally devastating floods in past centuries, but these are forgotten or deliberately ignored. The drought and wildfires in the Western U.S. are part of a trend going back a few decades, but forest management and expanding human presence in the forests are perhaps more important than climate change in causing these events. … The report expresses low confidence in most reported hurricane trends over the next century, and it remains uncertain whether there’s any trend beyond natural variability in Atlantic hurricanes. In other words, we have no scientific proof that humans have made hurricanes worse, despite what many say.

The IPCC report reveals very little that is new.  It is mostly the repackaging of past reports by a legion of contributing authors, each working within their narrow field.  The almost 4,000 page tome has been read by very few, and understood by even fewer.  Nevertheless, AR6 will feature prominently in the upcoming November UN Climate Change Conference in Glasgow.  So it’s important to understand both the nature of its contents and misrepresentations about PMGW that are always prominent in the executive summary and conclusion sections of what the IPCC publishes.  Here is the AR6 Headline Statements from the Summary for Policy Makers.

Refreshingly, the report deems its highest-emissions scenarios of the future unlikely, even though those are the ones you’re mostly likely to hear about in media reports. The more plausible scenarios have an average global temperature in 2100 about 2.5 degrees celsius warmer than the late 1800s. The globe has already warmed 1 degree since that time, and the parties of the Paris Accord arbitrarily agreed to limit further warming to another degree. But since humanity’s well-being has improved spectacularly, even as the globe warmed during the 20th century, it is absurd to suggest that an additional degree of warming over the next century will be catastrophic. In fact, the AR5 report from 2014 says even 1.5 degrees of additional warming by 2100 will have minimal net economic impact. … Good science is characterized by detail, data, proven models and reasoned debate. That takes time. Meanwhile, we should be wary of the torrent of hyperbole that is sweeping the globe.

Comments

[Bill Tozer]

I got a heads up on August 9 of what to expect. Sure enough, the Climate Hysteria came flooding in right on cue.

GET READY FOR PEAK CLIMATE PORN TODAY

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/08/get-ready-for-peak-climate-porn-today.php

[Paul Emery]

George

How about rising seal levels. It's difficult to pin incidental weather for such a long term condition. Here's some info and a chart if you follow the link. I understand insurance companies are pulling insurance for Oceanside properties.

"Global mean sea level has risen about 8–9 inches (21–24 centimeters) since 1880, with about a third of that coming in just the last two and a half decades. The rising water level is mostly due to a combination of meltwater from glaciers and ice sheets and thermal expansion of seawater as it warms. In 2019, global mean sea level was 3.4 inches (87.6 millimeters) above the 1993 average—the highest annual average in the satellite record (1993-present). From 2018 to 2019, global sea level rose 0.24 inches (6.1 millimeters)."

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

Hee's a link forinfo about insurance problems resulting from rising sea levels due to climate change

https://econofact.org/flood-insurance-in-a-world-with-rising-seas

[Scott O]

Paul 2:57 - Yeah, what happened to the land bridge to Alaska?
Is Manhattan under water? It was supposed to be by now. Settled science. Where do the leading screamers about AGW invest millions in real estate? Next to that rising ocean.
I sure miss the miles of ice that used to be on top of North America. Darn AGW!
Insurance problems would seem to be from skyrocketing values of property and re-build costs that insurance companies failed to account for when setting rates.
Anyway - George is correct and you are wrong, Paul.
It's obvious.

[scenes]

At the risk of repeating myself (it's a privilege of age), I'll go with Paul's worries from his fire-prone mansion.

So, how do you reduce emissions?

Well, fewer people for one. Probably should ship a few billion birth control pills and condoms to sub Saharan Africa.

Secondly, don't ship masses of folks from the Third World to the First where they'll simply generate more greenhouse gases.

Thoid. Build nuclear power plants. Increase natgas fracking so that there's less coal burnt. It wouldn't take a huge investment. Of course, most of the problem is elsewhere, but it's no fun to pick on furriners. Doesn't fit into the Woke Religion after all.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/08/most-of-the-power-sectors-emissions-come-from-a-small-minority-of-plants/

While we're at it, build a bunch of pipelines so that the environmental hit from trains 'n ships isn't so bad.

No can do of course. Truth is, most of this environment handwaving is simply an opportunity for (D) candidates to get into office and make a few bucks on the side as consultants.

[Paul Emery]

Scenes

More repercussions from Climate Change:

"Climate change and California’s coming insurance crisis

It’s not just wildfires, but sea-level rise will make insurance more costly, if not impossible to get in some coastal areas

Tens of thousands of beachfront homes across California face the risk of chronic flooding or worse, according to projections. It may be 50 to 100 years before it gets that bad, but property values are likely to be affected along with insurance.

This will extend beyond homeowners to businesses and, to varying degrees, governments.

"At the root of the insurance challenge is climate change, which many experts say is exacerbating wildfires and flooding and making storms more destructive. Insurance companies, like governments, are increasingly stressed trying to grapple with that.

On Tuesday, California Insurance Commissioner Richardo Lara said his agency will be working with insurers and officials of the U.N. Principles for Sustainable Insurance Initiative on a yearlong effort to address the state’s climate risks.

“We have a historic opportunity to utilize insurance markets to protect Californians from the threat of climate change, including rising sea levels, extreme heat and wildfires,” Lara said in a statement. “Working with the United Nations, we can keep California at the forefront of reducing risks while promoting sustainable investments.”

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/columnists/story/2019-07-26/column-climate-change-and-californias-growing-insurance-crisis

[Scott O]

Paul - Have you ever stopped to pay attention to how many times these "climate crises" pieces use the words 'will', 'might', 'threat', 'face', 'possibly', 'may', etc, etc?
We've already passed the "point of no return" several times - or have you not noticed?
China is increasing their output of CO2 way beyond our country and they are openly planning to keep going.
Please let me know when a beach front shack in Malibu gets below several million.
I'm sure the Dems plan to flood our country with tens of millions more 3rd worlders will do wonders for the ice caps.
You know I'm correct, Paul.
It's obvious.

[scenes]

P. Emery "It’s not just wildfires, but sea-level rise will make insurance more costly, if not impossible to get in some coastal areas"

Keep in mind that the Coastal Commission now doesn't allow people to actively protect their homes.

Scotto "I'm sure the Dems plan to flood our country with tens of millions more 3rd worlders will do wonders for the ice caps."

I admit it would be interesting to see how Paul likes any of my ideas for reducing greenhouse output.

It might be that the Left actually cares about the environment. It's just that they care a whole lot more about the wonders of mass immigration, the anti-nuke anti-fracking religion. Global climate change is merely a slogan for getting what they want in other areas of course.

[Paul Emery]

Clumsy dodge scenes from man Man Climate Change to immigration but that's what the RR's do when they don't have a response.

Scott you don't really give a shit about the future or the type or the condition of Mother Earth we'll be leaving to future generations. Sad.

[Scott O]

scenes - "It might be that the Left actually cares about the environment."
'Caring' about the environment and actually living a life that aligns with a lifestyle that really reduces the output of CO2 throughout the entire cycle of the production of all the goods and services they use and consume are 2 totally different things.
Right now I don't see anyone on the left actually doing a damn thing to achieve their self-stated goals.

[Bill Tozer]

Biden Admits the Green New Deal Would Devastate the Economy

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/08/biden-admits-the-green-new-deal-would-devastate-the-economy/

Maybe the taxpayers will bail Obama out when his mansion on the ocean goes underwater, along with those actors and nasty women crisis junkie airhead sluts living in Malibu.

PS: the Great Barrier Reef down under is coming back, bigger than ever. That will displace some of the ocean.

[Scott O]

from Paul - "Scott you don't really give a shit about the future or the type or the condition of Mother Earth we'll be leaving to future generations."

Totally false, Paul. I guess since you know I'm correct, and you can't provide any facts to the contrary you simply claim to have magic powers of mind reading and come up with BS about what I do and don't care about.
The climate hysterical statements are legion and a matter of record. You can't make them go away by trying to smear me.

[Scott O]

The fact that Paul thinks that massive illegal immigration to this country has nothing to do with our nation's CO2 output shows how completely ignorant he is of the situation.
Paul might want to reflect (if he's capable) on the fact that there is a growing number of AGW alarmists who are sounding the alarm about that very same thing.
Of course these folk will now suddenly find far less info outlets that will help them broadcast their views.

[Gregory]

SO

I just want to live long enough to see the climate turn cold... it will hopefully not kill many living things but cold kills every time.

[Don Bessee]

If ya want a giggle they are showing the movie jury duty, do a search, interestingly you know all cast and a low brow affair for sure from 95 but hilariously on target on the eco warriors.

WATER FOR THE POEPLE!

;-)

[Scott O]

Gregory - Whatever. It might and it might not. The last heat wave in Portland supposedly killed all sorts of folks but it would seem most all of them had a problem of being under the influence of some kind of intoxicating drug, but you can't say that in a newspaper because it is hurty. It would be nice if we could all recognise the alarmists have so far been spectacularly wrong about what effects the 'climate change' would have on our nation and yet still cling to the notion that we must bow at their feet and obey without question.

[scenes]

Poll Emery: "Clumsy dodge scenes from man Man Climate Change to immigration but that's what the RR's do when they don't have a response."

I'm not sure what 'man man climate change' means, but it's not intended as a dodge at all.

Q. Why does Paul jump into a climate change thread?
A. To throw a jab at his enemies, the circle of jerks.

Generally, climate change is used by the Blue Mob for a couple of things. (a) to feel good about themselves and to detest the enemy. As a political tool. (b) to make money with an endless array of schemes, both 'non-profit' and governmental.

I'm willing to accept the idea of human-caused environmental degradation, but will only listen to well thought out ideas that are both practical and make a difference. If you believe in it, tracking down a real source of a problem and then considering how to mitigate it is a non-trivial thing. The rest is sophistry.

But then, I'm not a horrid little shit like you Paul.

[Bill Tozer]

Floods in Europe

https://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2021/08/Screen-Shot-2021-08-05-at-4.47.04-PM.png?

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my.
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If one is going to live with beach front property, one has to have mega bucks to afford the place, along with sky high taxes, earth quake insurance, fire insurance, and flood insurance. That is why everyone wants to live on the coast, but most cannot afford to live on the coast.

The US is playing the old shell game when it comes to the environment. We ban mining of certain materials.....materials that we import from other countries to use in making solar panels and electric car batteries. We will consume more and more of these materials and minerals as the internal combustion engine is phased out, so foreign countries (like China and The Congo) will mine more and more to meet the world demand...basically the US demand. Therefore we can say we have reduced green house gases and our carbon footprint to save the planet, yet the planet’s carbon footprint goes up to meet US demand. Smoke and mirrors.

Remember recently Newsom asked owners of electric cars NOT to charge their cars during evening. Not enough electricity to meet demand. Talk about range stress. No charge electric cars and good luck getting to work in the morning.

We ban fracking and natural gas and are phasing out clean reliable electricity with little to tiny carbon footprint provided by nuclear energy. The biggest solar field in AZ is big. The biggest solar field in CA is big. Lots of mined minerals to make them. Those big solars fields that ruin the environment and open lands....well, it would take 17 of them to replace one nuke plant. CA is phasing out it’s last nuclear plant as we speak and now we will have to import electricity from other states and Canada. Energy from gas, oil, and coal to charge your electric car and power your laptops. Sad. Like robbing Peter to pay Paul, except Paul can say his carbon footprint went down while Peter’s went up.

Help us OPEC, we are shutting down oil and gas exploration...so we can say we care about the planet and we will let you take the blame and pollute the planet. It is a zero sum gain game

We just handed China the keys to manufacturing solar panels so we can brag about our green energy without the pollution and energy it takes to manufacture our panels. Our economy and working stiffs lose as China is raking in the chips. What a bunch of suckers we are.

At least Trump dumped some greenbacks into our solar manufacturing plants to put America First. And our plants have more environmental restrictions to boot. But, we gave away our leverage to China and their coal fired plants. Heck, even Japan has 15 coal fired plants on the drawing board, China about one a month for the next 10 years.

So, who cares about the planet? Do you think illegals will go out and buy brand new electric cars? By zip code, the number one place with the most registered electric cars in CA is Palo Alto, a very expensive place to live by the coast. They can afford flood insurance.

[The Estonian Fox]

BT 10:07PM (Floods in Europe)

A (very) little known historical fact:

The cause of The Great Flood of 1501 was due to the completion of the first Navajo coal-fired plant in the Four Corners area in 1500. Oops - my bad. No states then, only Land of the Dine'. Must have been the One-Corner Coal-fired Plant.

And you can see what happened when most of the Units were shut down in 2013 – a Not-Quite-as-Great Flood again. We just can’t seem to win in this climate game.

[Paul Emery]

So scenes called me a "horrid little shit". Wow, that's classy writing. Thanks or the deep thinking Scenes. You head straight for the gutter whenever challenged.

Whenever people ask why I sped time here I respond by saying it's moments like these. I love to reveal the adolescence and immaturity of the Circle of Jerks that reside here and this is a prime example.

Keep up the good work Scenes, you are giving manypeople a laugh.

[Nasalis larvatus]

Paul, you are a horrid little shit. And we all and come and go as we please. And you thought you are unique. You suffer from terminal uniqueness in your mind.

[Paul Emery]

"Terminal uniqueness"!!! Wow that's really good Nasalis. Thanks for raising the standards around here. Beat that Scenes!

[Paul Emery]

Fox

That's a great story about the Chaco Phenomenon. It didn't last very long because it was based on a temporary clmate change that gave false prosperity to a desert climate. It did revert back causing massive displacement of the tribal members.

I recently read a book called Blood and Thunder-The epic story of Kit Carson and the conquest of the American Frontier that devotes considerable space to the history of the Chaco Tribe around 1000 AD. It was written by Hamton Sides and published in 2006. It's a great look at the history of the Southwest. Check it out.

[fishniglio]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 12 August 2021 at 10:25 AM

"Terminal uniqueness"!!! Wow that's really good Nasalis. Thanks for raising the standards around here. Beat that Scenes!

Keep it up gentlemen...we're only one or two comments away from more plaintive wailing that there are no women here.

[Scott O]

Paul 9:22 - Before you start complaining, you might want to consider your own juvenile comment about me.
I presented you with facts you couldn't refute so you resorted to simply fabricating a false and defamatory picture of my attitude.
People in glass houses and all that...
You really might want to brush up on the certain knowledge we have of mega-droughts in the west that occurred long before the evil white guys starting making life the nice comfortable place you like to call home.

[Gregory]

"Horrid little shit" is crude. I think of punchy more as a 'dottering lickspittle'.

[Paul Emery]

'dottering lickspittle'

Good one Gregory-you're at least being creative. Any other contributors?
You remind me os Spiro Agnew who must be one of your mentors
Here's one for you from Spiro-"nattering nabobs of negativism"

[Paul Emery]

Here's another gem for you Gregory from your mentor Spiro

"effete corps of impudent snobs"

[Scott O]

Well George - you tried to have a post about the latest insanity from the left concerning AGW and it looks like Paul couldn't find any polls and couldn't invoke any Trump-hate since CO2 output in the US went down during his term and so he's decided to just go off into his imaginary world full of made up crap.
Paul just loves his Biden and Co. who buddy up to the CCP. Results talk - BS walks. And China is going to get worse. But the CCP signed on with the Paris Accords so Paul and the left and the Dems think China is wonderful.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/07/01/china-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-than-the-u-s-and-eu-combined/?sh=4c56ebd8628c

[Paul Emery]

By the way Scott I'm not a Dem. I voted for Biden just to keep that nutcase Trump out of the White House.

Care to talk about the way Trump made a fool of himself time and time again when he talked about China?

Here's a Trump quote and a reaction from the Global Times:

President Donald Trump made one of his most provocative comments on China yet on May 14 in an interview with Fox Business News, suggesting that he might consider "cutting off the whole relationship" with China. He added, "You'd save $500 billion if you cut off the whole relationship."

That President Trump would publicly muse that "cutting off the whole relationship" with China represents a viable and possibly desirable US approach to dealing with China - and that if the US were to do this, it would "save $500 billion" - is remarkable and telling.

It is reflective of the rhetorical "race to the bottom" we now see in this country, particularly within the Republican Party, in which a growing number of US political figures are seemingly seeking to out-compete each other in terms of how tough they can be, in both rhetoric and proposed policy and legislation, toward China.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1188826.shtml

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Posted by: Paul Emery | 12 August 2021 at 02:35 PM

Way to go Punch......now you’re quoting the CCP house organ.

.....moron!

[Scott O]

Paul - "By the way Scott I'm not a Dem."
Never said you were, Paul. But keep charging up those unoccupied hills - there's no one there for you to bother.
Trump has exactly the right idea of our relationship with China. The CCP is worse than the NAZIs - you wouldn't for a second want to have a business relationship with them so why cozy up to the CCP as your buddy Biden is doing?
We need to stop being reliant on China for our critical needs and stop handing them money ala Fauci.
Please explain why China gets to increase their CO2 output and still be considered quite the role model for stopping AGW.

[Paul Emery]

Doesn't matter Scott

Those idiotic Trump quotes were all over the place. Check this out on Fox Business. The topic is Trump is an idiot.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/trump-on-china-we-could-cut-off-the-whole-relationship

[🐠]

Doesn't matter Scott

Dammit Scott......I want to talk about Trump......do you understand me .....TRUMP!!! Nothing else matters.....just Trump!

[Walt]

Good going Emery, so you voted knowing Biden would turn the U.S. into a third world shithole.. Mission accomplished.

[Gregory]

"Horrid little shit" is crude. I think of punchy more as a 'dottering lickspittle'.

[Walt]

Emery has yet to answer the question, "Just when DIDN'T climate change?" C'mon smartass, answer up.
Blame the big cities. Nothing but heat sinks.
How come Nevada Co. isn't painting the pavement white?(racist maybe?) Remember that feelgood project by the ECO nuts?

[Scott O]

Of course Paul wants to turn this into a Trump-hate post. CO2 emissions lower under a Trump admin and all Paul can say is "doesn't matter".
Gee - I had thought all you green/libertarians wanted lower emissions.
"Doesn't matter"
Sing along now -
Lovely Trump, Wonderful Trump - Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcY3W5WgNU

[George Rebane]

Gentlemen - Enough is enough. Please cut out the ad hominems crap and stick to the topic.

[Scott O]

re George 5:45 - Well - we're trying. In a way, Paul has shown a large reason for the climate hysteria. It really has nothing to do with the climate. When you can whip up fear and even hysteria amongst the populace, they are extremely pliable concerning their human rights and way of life.
It's beyond debate that the climate alarmists have shot their wad and yet the info outlets and news media have no trouble stirring the pot eternally with fresh news of what-if and possibly-might. As soon as this 'debate' (I'm being kind) is seen as what it really is about, we can begin to tackle the real issue. Getting bogged down in CO2 output is exactly the plan by the elites and the New World Order.
The average Joe is supposed to wring his hands over what his life style has contributed to our nation's CO2 output while his betters blow a small nation's output of CO2 out their private jets' tail pipes every day. Flying you and your posse to a Euro country on your own private aircraft to pick up an award for being a hero for the cause of bettering our eco-system is mind-staggering hypocrisy of the first order, and yet it is done on a regular basis.
Always watch what our betters proclaim we are to do to "save the planet" and note they do the exact opposite. Only sheep of the lowest level of ovine intelligence go along with this BS. Combined with an educational system that refuses to teach critical thinking and instead pushes political orthodoxy we end up with a shattered nation and a ruined economy.
What a great gift to leave our children!

[🐠]

Posted by: George Rebane | 12 August 2021 at 05:45 PM

Please cut out the ad hominems crap and stick to the topic.

Perhaps you should inquire if your lunch buddy wants to continue injecting his favorite subject into every comment thread!

[George Rebane]

Don't let someone else's deficits become the progenitor of your own. Unrequited TDS can go only so far. PaulE is pretty much a one tune band - he's not interested in much beyond TDS related polls.

[Scott O]

Since we are talking 'climate change' y'all might want to catch up with the haps with the god-father and high priest of the climate hysteria crowd.
Yes indeedy, folks - I'm talking Dr Mann.
His 'hockey stick' climate model was and is used as a teaching aide for the climate alarmists.
After getting his ass handed to him in Canada because the court ordered him to show his cards and Mann just slunk away, he's somehow been able to drag out his SLAPP suit against Mark Steyn in the US. Mann has done everything in his power to delay the trial for almost 9 years.
https://principia-scientific.com/update-on-michael-hockey-stick-mann-vs-mark-steyn-litigation/
Please see in the editor's note at the end of the article that Mann has not (as of April 2021) paid the ordered court costs.
Dr M Mann is still held up by the climate alarmists as an expert on the subject even though in court he has been proven as a fraud.
Well - there's always that great climate alarmist Albert Gore who has lined his pockets with millions trading on the climate hoax.
You climate weenies sure know who to follow off a cliff.

[Paul Emery]

No George I have a diversity of interests like noting the similarities of Gregory and Spiro Agnew squack. I think that was rather profound. By the way George I haven't mentioned polls for a week or so. I'll have some comments on the census some time tomorrow.

As far as Trump goes I'm rooting for Trump to further take over the Republican Party and I'm all for his ambitions. Imagine that, the Republican party embracing for the future of the party Donald Trump the biggest political loser in modern history for President in' 24. By the way Trump will be 77 when he runs again.

[Walt]

Sure Emery, Let's see you repeat that line of BS when your LIBS lose the House AND Senate. next year.
Oh.. You don't receive the real news. BOY are you in for a rude awakening.

[Don Bessee]

What the hell is a squack? Oh great ponytail of ignorance so YOU are concerned that Trump wont be as old in 24 as creepy grampa joe is now? ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

;-)

[trump]

No George, I have a variety of interests....Trump.... like noting the similarities of Gregory and Spiro Agnew.....Trump ....squack. I think that was rather Trump. By the way Trump I haven't mentioned Trump for a week or so Trump. By the way Trump I haven't mentioned Trump for a week or so. I'll have some comments on the Trump some time tomorrow.

As far as Trump goes I'm rooting for Trump to further take over the Republican Trump and I'm all for his ambitions. Imagine that, the Trump embracing for the future of the Trump party Donald Trump the biggest political Trump in modern Trump for Trump in' 24. By the way Trump will be 77 when he trumps again.

Nope.....no obsession here.

Thanks in advance for agreeing with me....err...Trump.

[Paul Emery]

Walt

Where did you get the information about the House and Senate outcomes for next year or did you make it up?

[Don Bessee]

@856 Just ask the dnc research committee and the dem leaders who have gone on record that they are in trouble. You wallow in ignorance like a dog who found critter poop and your TDS causes you to stink up the place. LOL -

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/08/democrats-already-anticipating-deep-losses-in-2022/

House and Senate Democrats’ “wafer-thin” majorities are in trouble leading up to the 2022 midterms. According to a report, history, retirements, and redistricting will play a key factor for the Republicans in taking back the House.

The Los Angeles Times reports Democrats are “at high risk” of losing their partisan control of Congress in the midterms.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/07/report-democrats-have-high-risk-of-losing-fragile-house-and-senate-majorities-in-midterms/

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/politics/house-democratic-fears-midterms/index.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-democrats-are-poised-to-lose-big-in-2022-opinion/ar-BB1banoi

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/newsletter/2021-06-07/democrats-2022-midterm-elections-todays-headlines

;-)

[Scott O]

Don 8:41 - "squack" - slang for vagina.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squack
My, hasn't our little Paul gotten off the track of climate change?
Amazing how when evidence is presented that Paul believes in frauds about AGW he decides to start talking about Trump?
Most climate alarmists usually do start to squirm when actual facts about the climate start to emerge.

[George Rebane]

Climate change please.

[Bill Tozer]

My, my. Looks like the writer read my post, waited a day or two, and echoed the Syrcle Jerks...er...the Circle of Jerks. Immitation is the...and all that stuff. But, enough about me.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/08/the-disaster-of-green-energy.php

[Bill Tozer]

Scott Adams on Climate Change

https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2021/08/Screen-Shot-2021-08-08-at-11.53.51-AM.png?w=1160&ssl=1

[Paul Emery]

George

Very simple and basic question. Do you believe that human behavior is causing to a significant degree global warming ?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 1140am - No. Human behavior contributes, but not to a significant degree, nor is there anything we can do to change the course of climate which responds to a plethora of natural forces totally overwhelming and out of our control.

[🐠]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 14 August 2021 at 11:40 AM

Very simple and basic question. Do you believe that human behavior is causing to a significant degree global warming ?

........shhhhhh.....I love this part.....where Matlock asks a series of simple questions leading to a powerful and inescapable conclusion.

Let’s watch......

[Paul Emery]

George

Got it. One more question.

Does your minimal effects on climate change due to human behavior include the increase in population?

[George Rebane]

PaulE 136pm - Of course.

[Paul Emery]

OK George to summarize what you are saying is that since we (human population on earth) had very little to do with global warming or climate change we don't have to do anything since it won't make any difference. In other words "it's all good".

[Don Bessee]

Slinking away from you losses in the other thread oh great ponytail of ignorance?

;-)

[Walt]

RUN EMERY RUN!!!
When didn't the climate change???? I'm sure you were there.
At what point didn't the sea rise?

Do you prefer the climate of 10,000 years ago?
Frisco under 1000, feet of ice?
Is that the time you would like to go back to?

Fossil records have Folsom as an inland sea.. So how bout then?

[Jose Peyote's Acme Anvil]

I believe it was Paul emery on this very thread who boldly and unequivocally proclaimed he does not care about at all about CO2 emmissions. Not an ikling of interest or care. Zero concern.

Guess today is another day and we won't talk about carbon footprints. Again, its in this thread.

That is perhaps the wrong way to be taken seriously today. I could be wrong, not.

what a load.

[Paul Emery]

You say Anvil "I beliefe it was Paul" So that means you don't know. If you accuse me of something show me a quote. Never said that Acme Anvil or whatever you are. Use your real name or shut up.

[Walt]

Hell Emery,, you never care about real facts anywhere.
Quit your whining. When they are demanded of you,, you run and hide. Produce facts or shut up.

[Acme Anvil Fall from Sky]

“Please explain why China gets to increase their CO2 output and still be considered quite the role model for stopping AGW.
Posted by: Scott O | 12 August 2021 at 02:56 PM”

Paul Emery
“Doesn't matter Scott

Those idiotic Trump quotes were all over the place. Check this out on Fox Business. The topic is Trump is an idiot.”
Posted by: Paul Emery | 12 August 2021 at 03:00 PM

Scott: “Please explain why China gets to increase their CO2 output and still be considered quite the role model for stopping AGW.”

Paul emery: Doesn't matter Scott

[ACME Rocket strapped to Jose Peyote]

I believe it is Paul emery who said on this Climate Change thread that “The topic is Trump is an idiot.”

I believe the topic is entitled ‘Climate Hysteria 3.0 (maybe 4.0)’ for a good reason.

Science has yet to find a cure for TDS and science in that regard is settled.

[Walt]

'ACME Rocket strapped to Emery's ass" is more like it.
"It's Trump's fault." is all that comes out of it.

[The Estonian Fox]

ACME @ 9:20PM:

Recent findings by Dr.Fauci, show that ivermectin, at a dosage of 3 lbs/kg body weight, is a cure for TDS. Take with plenty of water.

[Paul Emery]

Here's real facts on Climate change and Global Warming

Climate Change: How Do We Know?

Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal.
- Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95% probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over millennia.1

Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. This body of data, collected over many years, reveals the signals of a changing climate.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

[🐠]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 August 2021 at 08:16 AM

Hey look......it’s a link.....!

[Walt]

NASA? LOL! They suckle at the tit of AGW grant money.

[Bill Tozer]

Brother Walt. Morning to you and all the readers, gentlemen, ladies, and tweeners.

“NASA? LOL! They suckle at the tit of AGW grant money.” When I think of NASA, I think of Jim Hansen, the guy who warned us all about the coming Ice Age. When I think of NASA , I also think of President Obama telling the Director of NASA to divert resources to make Muslims in various shitholes ‘feel good’. about themselves. Had to go back to pre-Muhammad to find a famous mathematician or good science among the Arab world.

The point is our ‘settled science’ does not stand alone. It is merely a part of the politicization (damnation) of everything. One does not and cannot separate science from the Idealogical Woke Hysteria in Year Zero.

SIERRA CLUB HEAD RESIGNS. WHY?

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/08/sierra-club-head-resigns-why.php

[Paul Emery]

Totally predictable response from Walt and Bill who can't handle the truth and go after the sources. Who do you believe in Bill?

[Paul Emery]

How about this recently released report Bill and Walt:

Shocking UN report: The worst of climate change is yet to come

Millions of people worldwide will be suffering from starvation, disease, and extreme heat by 2050, according to a shocking new report from the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that has been obtained early by Agence France-Presse (AFP).

The report, which was set to be released next year, warns that the devastating effects of climate change will reshape life on Earth in the coming decades, even if humans can tame planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions. This is largely due to the fact that melting glaciers and thawing permafrost are already set to release tons of carbon dioxide emissions, regardless of mitigation efforts.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

[pesce]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 August 2021 at 09:50 AM

Totally predictable response from Walt and Bill who can't handle the truth and go after the sources. Who do you believe in Bill?

Although I doubt you remember you do realize Punch that "going after the souces" is your entire M.O.!

....sad!

[fishniglio]

Your favorite memester is back.....Kabul Style!

https://twitter.com/Richard_Harambe/status/1426871587005997064/photo/1

[fish]

Sorry George.....the post above was supposed to be in the Catbox.

You can kill it here if you want!

[Barry Pruett]

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ASRHAAAAIBAJ&sjid=u_MMAAAAIBAJ&pg=1081,1308250&hl=en

40 years ago, the scientist said they were going to have a new ice age.

[Barry Pruett]

Here’s a link to all of the global cooling alarm at some of the 70s.

https://www.johnlocke.org/update/climate-experts-believe-the-next-ice-age-is-on-its-way-within-a-lifetime/

[Bill Tozer]

No one denies that the climate is changing. It is and always been in flux. The best thing one can do is be prepared for extreme weather events. No much we can do about Climate Change. After all these years I am still waiting patiently for someone out there to tell either by percentage or temperature precisely (or in generally) how much is Man Made Global Warming is due to human behavior. 5%? 30%? 40%? 2%? Or, 3 degrees, 10 degrees? 15 degrees or make your best guess.

As far as carbon in our atmosphere which some Green Libertarians once cared about.... in regards to ppb (parts per billion), the best science I have read is that we can shut everything down, all go live in caves, unplug everything, and go back to the dawn of mankind and after 200 years of being cave dwellers there would not be a dent in the carbon ppb in our atmosphere. 200 years.

Climate Change throughout history has been the history of mass migration due to droughts, colder ICE Age periods, etc. Fertile farm lands in Greenland wiped out and fertile TALL grass prairies with streams and game abounding wiped out due to changes in heat and drought, like our once fertile SW many moons ago. Where did the people go? Why did they leave? A: Starvation, which leads to mass migrations. Nothing new under the Sun.

Longer growing seasons will help the farmers, especially in our Northern States and Canada to feed the masses...and miners extracting silver in the Alps as in the days of before “Climate Change”.

How much of Climate Change is directly due to human behavior? Please, tell me. It is a rather simple question that remains unanswered, IMHO. The Earth, if I am not mistaken, is 70% ocean. That means 30% of the Earth is land mass. How much of that landmass climate chance (Global Warming) is due to humanoids?

Seems to me that the solution is to depopulate the planet, but a solution I find too personal and unpalatable. Off your kids and relatives first, then and only then will I consider mass suicide parties to save the planet. Until then, I will continue doing what I have done my whole life. Take Navy Showers, turn off lights when leaving a room, leave no trash or litter behind, and stopdrivi g up to GV to attend the World Fest.

[George Rebane]

For all the true believers in the "settled" and politicized climate science, the latest IPCC report has been thoroughly covered and archived in its proper place by those who actually do understand science, and are not sucking on some grant or woke tit to maintain their jobs.

[Walt]

As for Emery, I have been living and working out in the "climate" for most of my life. From when before the Sun comes up, and as it goes down.
Unlike an Emery, who's hid indoors and only "visited" outside from time to time.

Emery has yet to answer the simple questions I have put to him.
It's NEVER stopped changing Emery. The Sea has always risen since the end of the ice age. It will till the next ice age starts.(and it will)
And there won't be a damned thing anyone can do to stop it.
You think man can play GOD to change the weather.

[Bill Tozer]

Well, if nothing else, NASA did succeed in getting the Muslims to feel good about themselves. Boy, they are really feeling good about themselves lately.
Have you been keeping up of what is going on in Afghanistan and Iran pushing its weight and the US around? Gotta give Obama and NASA credit for a job well done. Credit where credit is due.

[Bill Tozer]

Fun fact:

https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2021/07/image005-2-2.png?w=581&ssl=1
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While living in the Stone Age in the future, the Lefties will probably ban fire before someone gets hiurt.

[Bill Tozer]

Walt. Sorry buddy, they are coming to take it away.

https://i1.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2021/07/219381399_117628087249143_6119070574098148462_n.jpg?

[Barry Pruett]

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2105.12126.pdf

Here is a nice read for your morning treadmill activity George. Lol