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25 October 2021

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scenes

"radical right"

If I see those words, I tend to tune out.

I think that 'radical' right can be roughly interpreted as 'Bill Clinton Democrat'. God knows how they'd define the average US citizen in 1960.

What MSM is missing is something worse than 'Nazi'. When the news gain is all turned to 11 I'd say that a vocabulary has to be constructed. We could call it 'Newsspeak'.

Mike Walker

You are way too restrained, Rebane.
I gave brief consideration to going to D.C for The January 6 rally. But it never smelled right
And I knew others interested in going, but they had kids and foresaw that the militant wing of the democrats, antifa, would be violent. We had not yet realized that the Justice Department was depraved.
Remember when we all learned about a cop with a depraved mind? Doesn't it fit Attorney General Garland ?
Depravity of mind - that which is contrary to justice, honesty or morality; where they abandon standards, and disgust society.
Garland, obviously, anticipates violence in the schools because he knows how political provocateurs brought violence into the Capitol. He played real sly with condemning parental school board confrontation. Yes, sly. It's called a "limited hangout". He is preparing to label a lot more good people as terrorists.
Garland is a scheming, depraved terrorist himself and I pray every concerned parent sees they are being set up.

Walt

It's looking like the infiltrating FEDS were the instigators.
https://trendingpolitics.com/the-mystery-man-ag-garland-wont-deny-was-a-fed-inciting-jan-6-rioters-was-scrubbed-from-fbi-most-wanted-list-knab/?utm_source=whatfinger

Paul Emery

George, in your applauding of the Oath Keepers you somehow missed the fact that members are pleading guilty partically Jason Dolan. Here's some details:

"A member of the far-right Oath Keepers militia group that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 has pleaded guilty and will cooperate with investigators against his fellow extremists, marking another win for the Justice Department in its major conspiracy case stemming from the attack.

Jason Dolan, 45, is the fourth person associated with the group that recruits current and former military, police and first responders to plead guilty to conspiracy charges for their roles in Capitol riot. The former Marine from Wellington, Florida has also agreed to cooperate and testify for the government before any grand juries and trials."

later the article notes:

"On Jan. 6, he and the other defendant, who were in the crowd on the east side Capitol steps, joined up with other Oath Keepers dressed in tactical vests and helmets who were marching toward the door in a military-style stack formation. The group forcibly entered the building, authorities say in court documents. "


"Authorities say that days before the riot, Dolan and other extremists joined an invitation only encrypted Signal message group called “OK FL DC OP Jan 6.”"

https://apnews.com/article/riots-capitol-siege-conspiracy-9fd1b2a4ee3c2ac7f888a345ff2700da

Gregory

Punchy... what despicable crimes did he plead to?

Paul Emery

Did you follow the link I provided? If you do you will know the charges. Read it then check back with me.

Gregory

Yes... but do you know? I doubt you even noticed a crime was not covered in what you did post.

Such breathless reporting for so little.

Gregory

"OK are non-partisan, hewing to neither political party"

Just like NPR and Jeff Pellini.

Paul Emery

Well Gregory for sure we'll find out the details but the facts are he plead guilty to felonies so there must have been a serious crime. This much we knowq according to the article:

"On Jan. 6, he and the other defendant, who were in the crowd on the east side Capitol steps, joined up with other Oath Keepers dressed in tactical vests and helmets who were marching toward the door in a military-style stack formation. The group forcibly entered the building, authorities say in court documents. "

George, do consider this event to be consistent with the Constitutional values you refer to in your post?

George, you claim in this blog that "Under a constitutional government their activism as an organization is constrained to lawful demonstrations"

Do you consider forcibly breaking down doors to enter the Capital constitutional?

George Rebane

PaulE 1144am - you and AP seem to share the same deficit. Just because these guys also belonged to OK does not mean that OK sanctioned and/or organized their incursion of the Capitol. Making your naive connection, between those charged and OK is the same as accusing the Rotary or the US Marines of being a criminal or far right organization just because some Rotarian or Marine was among those who roamed the Capitol halls on 6 Jan. You and AP will have to do a lot better than that with those people who can still think.

Paul Emery

So you deny the veracity of the statement that: "On Jan. 6, he and the other defendant, who were in the crowd on the east side Capitol steps, joined up with other Oath Keepers dressed in tactical vests and helmets who were marching toward the door in a military-style stack formation. The group forcibly entered the building, authorities say in court documents. "

It seems this was an organized invasion of our Capital according to court records and documents. George if the Oath Keepers didn't organize this who do you think did?

scenes

" the facts are he plead guilty to felonies so there must have been a serious crime. "

lmfao.

OK. So some federal prosecutors show up and tell you you're going to spend the rest of your life in jail because of the 53 charges they can gin up.

*But* if you just admit to a couple and say all the right things about your 'co-conspirators', we'll let you off lightly. Get in all in writing of course since those feds will happily say one thing and then do another once you're safely in a Supermax somewhere. They'll put people who do a bit of real estate fraud in for decades, Lord knows what they'll do to a conservative.

For God's sake Paul, what turnip truck did you ride in on? Do you honestly believe the things you say? When did you become such a shill for The Man?

Paul Emery

Scenes

Do you deny that he plead guilty to a felony? Yes or no

scenes

"Do you deny that he plead guilty to a felony? Yes or no"

Door number three. I don't have any idea.

I do know that the whole federal police system can be as crooked as all get-out.

How do those boots taste?

Walt

How come the FBI ain't going after the above described instigator Emery?

scenes

"How come the FBI ain't going after the above described instigator Emery?"

God knows what part of the federal machine is involved, there's no telling from the outside.

My guess is that Paul is mostly excited about all the new jails his people will get to build over time. Maybe that's the point of decriminalizing street crime, it leaves more bunks for Republicans.

Paul Emery

Scenes

You've already cancelled any credibility you might have on this issue so give it up. You're turning into a joke

All for now

Don Bessee

Speaking about himself is the ponytail of ignorance @ 702

"You've already cancelled any credibility"

;-)

Walt

"You've already cancelled any credibility you might have on this issue so give it up. You're turning into a joke"
Says the village idiot.

Walt

Scenes. The big money says the guy is a FED tool.

The FEDS go and jail granny, yet this guy isn't even on the "pick up" list. (quietly removed)

So the FEDS are the real instigators, and not Trump.
A well planned 5TH column operation.

Barry Pruett

On January 7, my dear friend who lives in DC and after attending the demonstration at the Capitol on January 6 commented to me that he could not believe the lack of Capitol police at the Capitol. There is a legitimate question that is completely uninvestigated. Why was there not sufficient security at the Capitol on January 6? Also, did the government instigate the rioters? In order to get a complete picture, such questions should be answered. I for the one do not trust the FBI, DOJ, or anyone in Congress.

Paul Emery

Thanks so much for repeating my post Walt. Greatly appreciate it.

Walt

Yet no man parts to answer the question. You must use the restroom with a skirt picture on it.
Tell the truth Emery....
By the way.. You better refuse the next free money check from the VERY pretty Gavin. It's fiscally irresponsible of you.
If you keep it, your a hypocrite. Remember this when you go to spend it.

Paul Emery

Changing the subject into a personal attack is a clumsy dodge Walt-What a hoot

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Barry Pruett | 26 October 2021 at 07:26 PM

According to the report from the USCP inspector general released in April there were 187 Capital Police officers on duty on the morning of January 6th 2021.

There were an additional 7 platoons of the Civil Disturbance Unit deployed on January 6th, with an additional 140 officers deployed, however according to the Congressional report they were not fully equiped for the task: "Although USCP activated seven specialty Civil Disturbance Unit
(“CDU”) platoons in advance of the Joint Session, only four of those platoons were outfitted
with special protective equipment, including helmets, hardened plastic armor, and shields."

An additional 177 members of the DC Metropolitan Police force directly responded to the protection duty at the Capital during the insurrection, with many others deployed in the surrounding area but not directly involved in the defense of the Capital.

That is about 500 officers.

All of your questions have actually been throughly thoroughly investigated, by multiple agencies and widely reported on.

Shove that crazy conspiracy theory where the son don't shine.

Steven Frisch

“Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled...Get violent … stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.”

That message was posted on an Oath Keepers message board two days before the January 6th insurrection.

Walt

Poor Emery. Has to make up a new definition of a personal attack?
Funny,, that makes you VERY guilty of same. The countless times YOU changed the subject.👍🤣🙄
Good job Emery

Walt

So Steavy,, who's to say an FBI plant didn't post that message?
The FBI and DOJ have been busted for setting people up.
Like the failed kidnapping plot of a certain LIB Governor.

Steven Frisch

BTW Barry, I think it is important to note that according to the inspector generals report the USCP Civil Disturbance Unit was ordered not to use some of their more potent crowd control measures as they were deployed at the Capital on January 6th...including flash bang and percussive grenades, weighted truncheons, etc...they were instead ordered to use heavier protective equipment.

That was a remarkable level of restraint, and a restraint I hope they do not use the next time.
It is clear that the goal is nothing short of the overthrow of the government and constitutional of the United States, which warrants the use of lethal force.

fishniglio

Posted by: Steven Frisch | 27 October 2021 at 09:20 AM


But, but, but Volkischer Beobachter.......what of this?!?! What of this?!



(That 7th grade report on Nazis really has served you well hasn't it......)

Gregory

"It is clear that the goal is nothing short of the overthrow of the government and constitutional(sic) of the United States, which warrants the use of lethal force"

-Frisch, President of the so-called Sierra Business Council, a Truckee 501c3

A bunch of former military set on overthrowing the government would not leave their guns behind.

Paul Emery

T

ell me this Walt. Did you or did you not accept the Stimulis money due to covid that was distributed by the Trump and Biden administrations?

Gregory

Punch 1010

This is you at your most infantile.

scenes

"A bunch of former military set on overthrowing the government would not leave their guns behind."

Maybe we could get Mr. Frisch, President of the so-called Sierra Business Council, a Truckee 501c3, to encourage the Portland Police to set up a crew-served weapon if he's so concerned about gubmint overthrowers.

Paul Emery

This was the Walt post I was responding to Gregory. My response was very appropriatd

"By the way.. You better refuse the next free money check from the VERY pretty Gavin. It's fiscally irresponsible of you.
If you keep it, your a hypocrite. Remember this when you go to spend it."
Walt 7:40

fishniglio

Posted by: scenes | 27 October 2021 at 11:16 AM


Maybe we could get Mr. Frisch, President of the so-called Sierra Business Council, a Truckee 501c3, to encourage the Portland Police to set up a crew-served weapon if he's so concerned about gubmint overthrowers.

I doubt very much he lost much sleep at all over the antics in Portland this past year.



psssst......BEOBACHTER!!!!!



I'm sorry...it's childish I know.....but the Nazi obsessed are just so much fun!

Barry Pruett

https://www.wsj.com/articles/capitol-police-werent-prepared-for-rioters-authorities-say-11609978798

Read a ducking book Steve. Lol. Exactly what I said. Only 500 Capitol police officers on duty in the entire Washington DC that day? That’s not enough. You don’t need to be a guy who lives off the government tit to know that. 😂

Barry Pruett

Ray Epps. Oath Keepers in Arizona. Why hasn’t he been arrested?

Walt

Thanks for repeating my post Emery.
Your the one who is for higher taxes as a voting LIB.
Your Lord and master Gavin didn't apply to the state debt. You keep whining about debt. I see it as money stolen from my paychecks being returned as reparations.

So live by your comment about not paying enough taxes ... Hypocrite.

scenes

"I doubt very much he lost much sleep at all over the antics in Portland this past year."

Oh well, me neither. The people in Portland deserve the government they have. As long as the experiments in non-policing and blackmasked-squatters-living-in-abandoned-houses sticks to blue cities, I'm interested in it all as a form of civic experiment. There's no telling how it will work out.

Like Mr Frish sez: " It is clear that the goal is nothing short of the overthrow of the government and constitutional of the United States, which warrants the use of lethal force. "

It probably sounded better in the original German.

Gregory

Walt... I expect I am quite literally the only voting LIB here.

George Rebane

Gregory 339pm - So noted.

Bill Tozer

Might be on topic...

EXCLUSIVE: Biden FBI Joins Pelosi In Blocking GOP From Investigating January 6

In the case of the House Committee on Jan. 6., Pelosi blocked minority party participation for the first time in House history to pursue a preferred political narrative.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/27/exclusive-biden-fbi-joins-pelosi-in-blocking-gop-from-investigating-january-6/

Walt

Well Gregory,, one of the few sane LIBS.. I will give you that.

I' surprised the Emery hasn't accused me of a personal attack for using his own words against him.

Steven Frisch

Posted by: Barry Pruett | 27 October 2021 at 01:02 PM

500 Capitol Police are not enough to protect against an insurrection Barry,I think I implied that, but more than enough to protect the Capitol from a peaceful, or even kind of rowdy protest. Yes, I read the same WSJ article, and the two reports I referenced, which I kind of doubt you did.

The "protest" was not a protest, it was an attack on the Capitol that was unprecedented, and the Capitol Police erred in not realizing that all the signals were there for a violent radical right wing storming of the building. But there are literally thousands of law enforcement and national guard troops in DC that they should have been able to call upon for help, which did not come in a timely manner, particularly from the National Guard.

And help did not come from the President who received multiple calls from his own allies to intervene to calm the waters. Ultimately this is on Trump and Trump alone....and continuing to support his false stop the steal narrative is the opposite of patriotism.

Steven Frisch

But let's look at the other actions of the Oath Keepers over the years:

In April 2014: Members of Oath Keepers, including OK leader Stewart Rhodes, joined far-right activists from around the United States in an armed standoff with U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) agents in Bunkerville, Nevada, in support of Cliven Bundy. During that standoff members of the Oath Keepers were armed, aimed weapons at federal agents, and threatened them with violence while in the middle of a legitimate law enforcement action. The militants aimed to prevent BLM from confiscating Bundy’s cattle due to his refusal to pay grazing fees.

In April of 2015: After being cited by U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) for unauthorized mining activity at the Sugar Pine Mine, Rich Barclay and George Backes requested security support from Oath Keepers. Members from around the country came for a weeks long armed patrol of the site to defy BLM.

January 2016-February 2016: Unsanctioned by the Oath Keepers national leadership, some members (exact number unknown) participated in the occupation of Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon to protest the conviction of two men for arson for burning brush on federal land. The OK national leadership approved the establishment of an armed patrol to serve as a buffer between the occupiers and federal agents.

January 6, 2021: Oath Keepers participated in the storming of the U.S. Capitol along with members of other far-right organizations, including the Three Percenters, Proud Boys, adherents of the QAnon conspiracy theory, and other supporters of then-U.S. President Donald Trump in an attempt to halt the certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election. The assault led to the deaths of one police officer and four protesters. One hundred thirty-eight police officers were injured, while the number of rioters injured is unknown (5 killed, at least 138 wounded)

Continuing to support the Oath Keepers is no different than supporting a radical right, anti-government paramilitary organization.

George Rebane

StevenF 659am - What you and yours continue to miss in your denigration of the Oath Keepers is what I pointed out in my 444pm above. As an organization OK has neither accepted a charter to include such deplorable actions by people who also happen to be their members, nor has it perpetrated such actions. As I said before, just because some members of a group doing something 'anti-social' happen to be Presbyterians, does not automatically mean that the Presbyterian church is an anti-social organization. The same goes for the NAACP members who also belong to self-acknowledged socialist BLM does not mean that NAACP is a socialist organization.

scenes

" As I said before, just because some members of a group doing something 'anti-social' happen to be Presbyterians, does not automatically mean that the Presbyterian church is an anti-social organization. "

I was thinking more along the lines of John Wayne Gacy and the Democrats.

Maybe it's time to check our local Blue Mob crawlspaces.

To be fair, I'm not super upset about the 'insurrectionist' attacks. The pics don't show anything particularly heinous compared to all of the other politically-oriented hullaballoos, and Buffalo Horn guy kind of cracks me up. The main lesson here is the strength and ability to punish of the federal law enforcement system when it is explicitly targeted. Those guys are no joke.

Gregory

Wally "Well Gregory,, one of the few sane LIBS.. I will give you that."

My brand of liberalism has been drummed out of the Democratic Party.

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