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20 December 2021

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scenes

"Having examined such results, which are not discussed in the MSM, the question still begged is revealing the real purpose of administering such tests for determining the public’s access to events, transportation, and schools."

I suppose it's the same reason as requiring masks, even the poorly fitted non-filtering variety which are so common...or proof of 'vaccine', even though there's so much uncertainty as to whether it actually cuts the spreading rate.

I'm willing to accept that all the measures make some difference, but the lack of rigor in the analysis is stunning, especially given the huge knock-in effects of COVID worldwide. No surprise given the poor practices in many (most?) medical papers in terms of sample selections and size.

Hell, by now you'd think there's be *so much* available data on different groupings of humans that some data wrangler could inform us of really interesting relationships, no causalities even really needed. You can certainly argue that the design of policy is removed from medical professionals as I suspect that epidemiology can be presented as purely a problem in data and mathematics with the actual biological effects reduced to a series of rules of thumb.

George Rebane

scenes 712am - You're absolutely right Mr scenes. Epidemiology is a pure 'data and mathematics' problem in diffusion (over non-homogeneous surfaces). And sadly, it is not taught from that perspective, or with those tools.

Mike Walker

That's a long way of saying that doctors are not data analysts. The healing arts are art - Epidemiology, like stereotypes, is a function of distance. If you get into medical school and decide that being a doctor is too hard, you get into Public Health.

George Rebane

MikeW 1139am - And that's the point Mr Walker. Physicians deal in an arena of unreliability, but one in which (clinical) data abounds, and (relative frequency) probabilities can be computed on everything imaginable. They are paid to play the odds correctly in their diagnoses and therapeutics, and it is exactly the odds about which they are dismally ignorant and hubristic. That ignorance contributes to the 200K+ people who die annually from 'medical mistakes'. Physicians are NOT artists any more than is your car mechanic or computer technician. But the overwhelming share of them happened to be stunted in numeracy - they practice with a multitude of memorized rules of thumb (technically 'heuristics'), rules which many of them forget and which change with alarming regularity. Machines will soon dominate this field to the benefit of all. And how they got themselves the honorific 'Doctor' is another story. More here -
https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2020/12/is-there-a-drdoctor-in-the-house.html

Barry Pruett

Rhetorical question: If omicron is spreading like wildfire and will be a COVID blizzard and if nobody is dying from omicron, who cares? I mean of course I don’t want any one to get sick but if you have the mild symptoms of omicron and you highly, highly likely not going to die, what’s the problem?

George Rebane

BarryP 312pm - (Rhetorical answer) Exactly, the problem has not been identified. The only bad thing about Omicron is its virulence, but not its impact on the infected. So the latter part is not emphasized, but the former is for the purpose of more control, mandates, and manipulation by politicians and bureaucrats. The average snuffy is not smart enough to even question the effect of contracting Omicron on the various demographic groups; all they're told to focus on is that "it's spreading four times as fast."

scenes

" they practice with a multitude of memorized rules of thumb "

I'm always kind of surprised how much of a periodic exam (for someone without an obvious problem) consists of, how do you feel?, how much do you weigh?, what is your blood pressure? what is your O2 level? (this last because of readily available gizmos in later years).

Honestly, if you feel fine and can measure these last three with cheap devices, just what is the point?

I'm reminded of Taleb's chart as he was charting blood pressure vs. his exercise routine.

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1445884202373636097

Given those values (reasonably sampled I think), of what possible use is a doctor's office blood pressure reading?

Mike Walker

It's Wildfire ! It's A Blizzard ! It's Americron - God's Vaccine !
It's MAGA Country !

Gregory

It's Lrrr, Ruler of Omicron Persei 8!

The $20 pulse ox device is an amazing device... the Nonin onyx (?) was $400 20 years ago... am guessing a patent ran out in the meantime. When my first wife was dying of cancer and on O2... I tried to get her oncologist to prescribe one, but no luck. All of the nurses had them.

Now I've a $20 'smart watch' and it incorporates a pulse oxymeter. Tells good time, too.

Gregory

Omicron, if it is a mild version of the Alpha and Delta, may be what we used to call a "vaccine".
Scary.

scenes

"Now I've a $20 'smart watch' and it incorporates a pulse oxymeter. Tells good time, too. "

It's a bummer that so many of those products have a strong surveillance marketing angle to them, I can imagine the end game to that.

Once they crack the measurement-analogous-to-blood-pressure problem (have they? I haven't run into it) they'll really have something. Gather up a month's worth of data, back end software summarizes some angles to heart health pretty well. Maybe we'll see home ultrasound machines.

The war between the doctors' unions and those providing the ability to do diagnosis at home should be interesting. I need to look into how the 23andMe situation panned out. Next up, the Google Smart Toilet(tm) which announces your proclivities to insurance companies and local law enforcement.

Gregory

The thing would quickly run down if it was on continuously, but yes, I am concerned about the privacy angle. Especially since the company's beach head in Washington state is obviously secondary to the company in (drum roll, please)... China.

Scott O

Not sure if everyone has seen this:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/12/the-collins-crock.php
I'm so glad the govt and big social media work together to make sure only their version of sciency stuff gets aired in public.
It has worked with the AGW scam pretty well so far. let's just apply it across the board.

Bill Tozer

'The Corporate Media Freakout Over The Omicron Variant Isn’t Normal, It’s Psychotic'

https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/22/the-corporate-media-freakout-over-the-omicron-variant-isnt-normal-its-psychotic/

Scott O

BT 8:45 - Hilarious.
We boldly traveled through 6 states with no mask and are here in Tejas. Remember that this state is inundated daily with the unvaxed from the south per special permission from Biden. So, we fit right in.
What's a couple more, right?
I'll fill y'all in later on the misery and death that has been decreed for us'ns.
Once again, the stories I read about the national and international response compared to what I'm seeing driving around and shopping here in the Metro-Plex of the Dallas/Fort Worth area is astounding. It is as night and day.

Barry Pruett

From Ben Shapiro…

So once it became clear that covid was not in fact a pagan god visiting vengeance on the unwashed Trump voters alone, the media and Democrats are now willing to admit the following:

1. Cloth masks are ineffective against omicron (Leanna Wen, CNN);
2. The vaccinated can spread and get covid;
3. The death rate is comparable to the flu (Chris Hayes);
4. Many people are entering hospitals with covid, not from covid (Fauci);
5. Natural immunity is a reason omicron hasn't been as virulent (Fauci);
6. We have to take into account societal needs, not just spread prevention (CDC);
7. The asymptomatic should not be tested (NFL);
8. We should focus on hospitalizations and deaths, not case rate (Biden);
9. Children are not at risk and schools should remain open;
10. Covid is predominantly an illness affecting the immunocompromised and elderly and we should not shut down society.

Basically what sane people have been saying since May 2020, and mind you, all of this above was finally admitted to within one week. All of you liberals on the left side of the room, you are idiots and got played by the elites who picked your pockets passing trillions of stimulus that you will never see but will pay for in inflation. Freaking morons.

Bill Tozer

OMICRON DEATH!”
Matt Taibbi has posted an inspired account of “Omicron DEATH!” Matt Orfalea is responsible for the companion video (below). Taibbi concludes by calling for future Covid variants to be given Fangoria (“The World’s Best Horror and Cult Film Magazine Since 1979”) names: the “Mutilator” Variant, the “Suffocating Agony” variant, the “Shaft-Sagger,” the “Face-Eater,” etc., and asks: “Would you bet against something like that coming?” It might be best for you to hold off answering until you can check out Orfalea’s video.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/12/omicron-death.php

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