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26 May 2022

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Scott O

Hey guys - remember that place called Chicago?
https://abc7chicago.com/memorial-day-weekend-chicago-violence-shooting-crime/11908225/
And the 3 day weekend ain't over!
How many kids have been murdered in Chicago this year?
Biden gonna fly there and blubber and tell lies?
Drudge and the NYTs gonna plaster the news all over the headlines?
Nah - those kids are just good riddance to bad rubbish because their bodies can't be used for the 'narrative'. Their faces won't ever show up in a montage with cute 'stories' for each one. They weren't important and they just don't count. Too bad.

scenes

"Hey guys - remember that place called Chicago?"

No problemo.

You just need to force the teens to pass a gun-safety test, make all the stolen gun sales go through a background check, make them give up their M1As for 9mm handguns.

This last requirement should be pretty easy.

fish

Posted by: Scott O | 30 May 2022 at 07:09 AM


Dammit Scott! .....sigh...


Apparently 7:00 am on a holiday weekend is “too late” for this weekends indifference tally for the early birds here at RR’s.

I take solace from the notion that we really have another whole day remaining to rack up serious progressive, blue governance numbers to kick off this years “Summer of Joy” as heyjackass.com likes to put it.

Paul Emery

So George, you attribute the number of gun deaths in our country to our culture. So what about the cultures of other countries that have far fewer gun related deaths in comparison to ours? Should we not then be attempting to emulate those cultures to bring down the number of deaths?

Follow this link to see comparisons of gun violence deaths per 100,000 people in developed economies of which we far exceed all the other countries in the charts.

Can you explain the massive higher numbers for our country and how does "culture" come into those numbers?

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-world-comparison/

Gregory

Punch!

"Firearms deaths" includes suicides, which is what gets conflated into statistics by folks trying to justify restrictive gun laws. Manslaughter or murder is the stat people are bothered by.

Suicides happen after someone decides to commit it, and not having a gun handy is not a big impediment.

Paul Emery

Gregory

If you would have bothered to read my link you would have seen that the data's title was "Gun Violence in the US Far Exceeds
Levels in Other Rich Nations." There is no reference to suicide in the data.

Gregory

"Gun violence" includes suicide by gun.

Paul Emery

No reference to suicide in their description. That's your definition Gregory. Even if that were true don't you agree the difference in our numbers and other modern countries is profound? Does that not justify Georges claim that our culture is flawed?

Bill Tozer

Paul.

No need to even look at your link. It’s all the 2nd Amendment, baby! The 2nd Amendment makes the US unique in the world. The 2nd Amendment was designed to ensure the First Amendment would not be messed with by a tyrannical federal government. It’s for the States and citizens to have the means to toss the necessary evil (Fed Gov’t) and ever infringing devouring by nature Government aside.

The other countries don’t have the 2nd Amendment for its citizens to protect life, Liberty, property as well as any encroachment upon our God given rights by dickheads and assorted marginally rational folks.

Now, what has caused this growing spike in school shootings by young angry males born around 1993? The ones born in 1984? The ones born in 1978? In 1965? Even for accounting for the definition charges to “mass shooter”, the spike clearly show a correlation with today’s culture as opposed to the culture of kids born immediately after WW2 who grew up with guns in the household and rifle racks in the rear window of pickup trucks. Night and day.

The Left does not have a pro-gun problem nor a NRA problem. Those like you, Paul Emery, have a 2nd Amendment problem. And those like you should never be around a firearm with your TDS and constant state of anxiety, frustration, and other signs of instability. Sometimes Paul you go beyond marginally rational.

And yes, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeal stated that CA barring 18 year olds from buying long guns was an unnecessary infringement on the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States recently.

You have threatened twice before that it’s time you start exercising you 2nd Amendment rights because Todd and I were joking about driving by your house. Boy, what are you to do when the police are 3 minutes away and Todd and Biker Bill drive by your abode making silly faces at you? Start firing? ROFLMAO. Boo!

Gregory

Punch, they don't have any description of what they mean by the terms they're using.
Bloomberg is anti-gun and they've pulled that trick before.

Don Bessee

Creepy grampa joe and psul can chatter all they want about outlawing 9mm's but the reality is they do not have the power and there will be another 2ndA ruling from SCOTUS any day -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/30/poll-joe-bidens-job-approval-underwater-in-47-states-34-overall/

;-)

George Rebane

PaulE 1140am – Gun violence. I venture from my experience that fewer than one in a hundred leftists know that their propagandized gun violence counts of ‘gun violence’ include suicides, hunting accidents, etc, which are not intentional homicides. As witnessed by about every broadcast and printed interview with such information deprived people, they all believe that the gun violence numbers count only the use of firearms with the intent to harm. You very definitely are a member in good standing of that cohort. When corrected to include only shootings that intend violence, America’s gun violence rate lands us in the middle of the international pack – actually, 20th among nations according to Pew Research. The top ten rate ranges from 36.78 to 15.62 homicides per 100,000; the US has 3.96.
https://laist.com/news/gun-violence-deaths-how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

Regarding gun culture, no other young multi-cultural country has gone through its recent history of ongoing wars on its landmass that has been conquered through the force of arms against hostile indigenous populations and neighbors. Creating peace and maintaining it with large-scale private ownership of guns is still in our DNA, and today liberal induced lawlessness in our cities maintains beliefs that wholesale private ownership of guns is still required to assure the security of our persons, families, hearth, and home, not to mention the ever vigilant means needed to counter a palpably proto-rogue government that grows without bound as it demands payment of ever-higher tributes, while constantly ratcheting down our constitutionally derived rights.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

Bill Tozer

“Does that not justify Georges claim that our culture is flawed?”
Posted by: Psul Emery | 30 May 2022 at 01:41 PM

Certainly justifies Scott O’s, Barry’s, and my claims that out culture is flawed. Devaluation of human life. No self discipline. No mentors. No enforcing boundaries. Mental illness run rampant. No attachment to the community, churches, other people outside of social media. Disposing of babies like taking out the trash. The narcissist generation. The protected class, if you will.

Gregory

George, the links you gave have the same data as the link Paul provided... no surprise, because they all use the same statistics... from https://www.healthdata.org/

4 per 100,000 from "gun violence"

scenes

Gregory: "
"Firearms deaths" includes suicides, which is what gets conflated into statistics by folks trying to justify restrictive gun laws. "

Psul (or anyone else in Team Blue), seriously, you have to take that into account.

I'm happy as all get-out to argue about what should be public policy, but you have to twizzle out the numbers that matter.

By the same token, it's probably best to compare a country's murder rate rather than gun murder rate since weapons are rather fungible (look it up). It's similar to the way that school shooters would simply flip to Glocks and such (like some already did) if 'assault weapons/rifles' magically disappeared. or six-guns-like-in-Westerns for that matter. Truth is, a lever-action carbine is probably as effective on a soft target as a black gun.

People should be honest and realize that this is all about the removal of firearms from civilians, there really is no middle ground.

Gregory

btw I was driving yesterday with KFBK tuned ... and an opinion came on railing against the sale of machine guns! Yes, dear friends, someone with the pull to have his opinion on the station thought the latest shooter had purchased a machine gun to slaughter the Texas kiddies in school.


I didn't catch his name or position, but that casts a pall on KFBK's newsworthiness.

Civilian rifles cannot be fully automatic, another name for a machine gun. For every shot, the shooter had to pull the trigger and release, pull and release. A rate of fire about the same as a revolver has for the first 6 shots.

Don Bessee

The lightweight leftists ignorantly parroting their orthodoxy just like the ponytail of ignorance -
“So since no one else will ask, I will. Did those children die because most of them were Mexican American and the police didn’t give a damn about a school w predominately brown kids? I mean, because it’s Texas.. and if you think everyone who isn’t white is illegal..”

Butler — whose 2021 book “White Evangelical Racism” charges that racism is at the core of conservative evangelical activism and power — seemed to disregard the fact that the attacker in the Hispanic-majority City of Uvalde was himself of Latino descent, as were the city’s police chief, Daniel Rodríguez, the school’s police chief, Pedro Arredondo, and several other officers at the scene.

A few of the officers are reported to have had children trapped in the school at the time, some of whom died in the attack.

Butler later made her profile private following the critical responses to her tweet. However, the associate professor was not alone in her unfounded claims.

Left-wing columnist Wajahat Ali expressed agreement with Butler’s sentiments when he tweeted, “I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/30/upenn-professor-ripped-suggesting-police-allowed-texas-schoolchildren-die-brown/

Scott O

Voight brings up an oft heard proposition - you are denied your Constitutional rights until you can prove yourself fit. I had always thought him to be an intelligent person, but I wonder how long he actually used his reasoning facility on this one.
Who will administer the "test" and who pays for it and what are the parameters? The 'experts'? The ones telling us men can get pregnant?
And -
will the gentlemen buying firearms out of some one's car trunk being given this test?
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/05/28/jon-voight-americans-should-undergo-proper-testing-for-gun-ownership/

Bill Tozer

PEAK FUTILITY

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/05/peak-futility.php

Paul Emery

George refers to the "the force of arms against hostile indigenous populations". Were they not defending their land and were not the invaders? T
here is no way we had any claim to their traditional lands they had inhabited for at least hundreds of years. Show me what is in the Constitutio that allowed us to do that?

Scott O

Kunstler nails this one. I've read several books lately on men who have risen up in American society and what their goals were as youngsters. They aspired to lofty heights, but the heights were realistic and attainable.
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/childhoods-end/
Of course I'm prejudiced for Kunstler's view point as I grew up hating almost all of my schooling. By jr high I already had correctly sussed out the obscene ratio of the time spent riding on a bus, sitting in a classroom, going through the motions to the time spent actually gaining knowledge. There was of course, brilliant flashes of a few teachers (when they weren't playing baby sitter to the miscreants) really imparting knowledge. The old one room school house that combined several age groups actually worked fairly well for a while but as has been pointed out, the modern school system is truly just a factory for a factory product. It might be efficient from the standpoint of turning out groups of students who troop off to the next level, but the kids are so stupid and unchallenged and uninterested it isn't funny.
Most children would be better off spending at least half of their time in "school" actually doing something (anything) in the world of commerce. 2 hours a day of cleaning toilets, stables, kitchens, food production facilities, etc would do them better than
90% of what they sit through in a modern classroom.

Scott O

Paul 7:30 - "...no way we had any claim to their traditional lands they had inhabited for at least hundreds of years."
Hmmm - sounds rather nationalistic.
So Psul - tell us. Which injun tribe had 'claim' to which area of north America?
You know - as opposed to the other tribes that might have claim to the same exact area?
Aside from the ones wiped out through violence and warfare from other injun tribes?
Tell us, Psul.
We're all ears.

Scott O

Gregory 3:40 - That ship sailed years ago. The current chatter even today stills apes the stupid phrase "weapons of war". What war? We know that if the people of the Ukraine were sent AR-15s by the Americans they would be livid. But it's a useful term for the idiots like Psul who know nothing (and want to know less) about the subject.
Just listen to Biden chatter away like an idiot telling one lie after another about firearms and ammunition. You must keep in mind this whole topic like all else in modern politics has nothing to do with reality and solving any actual problem. It is one big disinfo campaign to disarm the public and turn them into pliable plebes willing to suffer happily under the rule of our betters.
"You will own nothing and be happy".

Bill Tozer

Maybe not in the Constitution, but it was the last grievance against King George III in the Declaration of Independence.

“He has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.”

Sounds like the Islamic terrorists or Taliban.

Paul Emery

Scott

Well for a start the Navahoes occupied their part of New Mexico and Arizona for hundreds of years. What right did we have to take it from them? I suggest you read about their history before you jump into this.

Here's a teaser from this historic reading:

"Between 900 and 1525 A.D. the Navajos developed a rich and complex culture in the area of present-day northwestern New Mexico. Here the Navajos developed trade networks with both the Anasazi and historic Pueblo peoples, bringing new goods and technologies, such as flint points, and moccasins, to the Southwest."

Read ths to be educated on the topic icf you care to:

https://utahindians.org/archives/navajo/history.html

scenes

Psul:
"Well for a start the Navahoes occupied their part of New Mexico and Arizona for hundreds of years. "

Psul's extensive reading on the subject:
" by the eighteenth century they had spread into northeastern Arizona and southeastern Utah."

Psul's conclusion:
No one lived in northeastern Arizona before 1700 and then the Navajo (which isn't really their name) moved there.

Fer shure the different pulses of immigration to the New World happened a buncha years before that. I'd be surprised if there were many places still occupied by the very original folks to arrive.

scenes

Psul, immediately before giving his home and property over to the local indigenous people:

" There is no way we had any claim to their traditional lands they had inhabited for at least hundreds of years. "

I strongly suspect that my ancestors had the issue well in hand before yours showed up. There's no need for personal guilt, so you can simply blame me.

George Rebane

PaulE 730pm - Paul, are you going off the rails again? Nowhere did I claim or assign moral justification to what the whites did to the indigenous people; I just described what the then strong did to the weaker so that they could take what they wanted. Did you not understand that? Could you not follow that thread?

Now if you want to talk about who should control which lands when, then that is another topic which some other commenters are already willing to engage in.

psfish

Navahoes


There’s a joke in there…I’m sure of it!

Paul Emery

Did you read the link scenes? It started by stating this:

"Between 900 and 1525 A.D. the Navajos developed a rich and complex culture in the area of present-day northwestern New Mexico. Here the Navajos developed trade networks with both the Anasazi and historic Pueblo peoples, bringing new goods and technologies, such as flint points, and moccasins, to the Southwest. The Navajos may have moved into southeastern Utah as early as 1620; by the eighteenth century they had spread into northeastern Arizona and southeastern Utah. "

https://utahindians.org/archives/navajo/history.html

Paul Emery


And who were the "ancesters" that you refer to scenes and where did they come from? Mine are Northern British-the Emery name comes from there and Greece-my

mothers ancestry.

Paul Emery

sp-"ancestors"

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And who were the "ancesters" that you refer to scenes and where did they come from? Mine are Northern British-the Emery name comes from there and Greece-my…


I suspect that scenes “ancesters” were from a tribe who were good spellers

scenes

"Did you read the link scenes? It started by stating this:"

I glanced at it. Dunno why you conflate reading a couple of paragraphs on the interwebz with real knowledge of a matter, there's plenty of real sources out there. Generally, we'll probably have to wait for DNA analysis to really understand the timeline as narrative histories tend to be full of bullshit.

From your, oh so important, 'link'.

"The Navajos may have moved into southeastern Utah as early as 1620; by the eighteenth century they had spread into northeastern Arizona and southeastern Utah. "

So basically you are pointing out that the Spanish were there first. (actually it's more amorphous than that, I don't know at what tipping point you can be said to 'own' a chunk of land).

If you chose some Pueblo tribe to prove some trivial point or the other, I might buy it. They've actually been there for some time. Athabaskan speakers (like the Navajo) are fairly recent arrivals, similar to the Sioux. Scott is absolutely right of course, all of this property has been conquered, assimilated, or abandoned over and over for 15k-30k years.

You might as well apologize to the Egyptians as a descendant of Greek imperialists.

It's just so damned odd that we find ourselves surrounded by people who denigrate their own background and boost others, even when not deserved. The more foreign the humans, the more wonderful they appear. Christianity = bad. Animism by 'village elders' = good. The KVMR crowd will never ever miss the chance to talk about how evil wypipo are, it's just getting ridiculous. They could all stand a stint hanging out as captives of some 17th C. group of American Indians to get their minds right.

Bill Tozer

The Hopi were there before the Navahos. By at least 700 years. Odd, Punchy is still upset at the British and the Romans for invading his ancestors. The Russians were here before the Spanish, but did not settle.

Dr. Rebane: Psul assigns moral justification to everything. He now must justify not turning over his abode in Nevada City to the local tribe…..because of what dead white did.

When Rhode Island was bought for some beads, there was no Constitution.

scenes

Paul: " Mine are Northern British"

Arguing about the bonafides of Indians aside, always take that sort of thing with a grain of salt.

Aside from the strong possibility that a stablehand is one's forefather (more common than you may think), family stories are always suspect.

I hit something of dry hole after ten minutes of studious research (ie. no certainty at all) at Orestes Augustus Bronson Emery. 'Emery' can be French as much as English. What with the French invading and taking over England, further muddying is certain.

(side note to those who care...'Orestes' is a wonderful first name, look up your Greek mythology)

Scott O

Paul - you miss the whole point. People occupy areas because they can. By whatever means seem acceptable to them at the time. What magic 'right' did the Navajos have when they moved in that other people don't have? You have no proof the Navajos didn't push aside other people through violence to gain their land just as the Euros pushed them aside. Is there some magic time in history where everyone in the world had a 'right' to live where they did and that time has passed? Please give us the dates.
Now there is the issue of the Fed and local govts breaking treaties and lying and cheating the injuns out of what had been legally agreed on, but I'm betting you really don't want to go into that subject.
History shows that people with superior martial power and the will to exert it almost always push aside or exterminate adjacent people that are not like them. Note the current ongoing actions by the ChiComs re the Uyghurs.
It might make you feel good and morally superior to tut-tut all day long about the terrible way we treated the then-current locals but I can assure you, they ended up with a better deal than if some other group from Asia or eastern Europe had come over later on.
It's Paul who needs to read ALL of history of the human race - he can then sort out all the evil and assign blame as he feels the need to and get back to us. This idea that America is such an evil country and the natives here before us were good and pure is just a big lie. They had wars and slaves and tortured other humans just as the same as the rest of humanity.

scenes

"The Russians were here before the Spanish, but did not settle."

Russian America was a thing (somewhat after the Spanish expansion north from what is now Mexico), some time after the Spanish started running around, but settled somewhat like California. A handful of settlements, bully the locals, a bit of resource extraction.

It's funny how the incredibly light population of the US Southwest and California by the Spanish/Mexicans (a couple of thousand on the coast and places like Tucson) is used to justify the 'reconquista' here. As always, demographics is destiny unless your culture just flat gives up.

A thing I don't know much about but is complex as all get-out is Russia's Wild East and their expansion to the Pacific. Lotsa miles. Lotsa adventures. Not well reported here.

You do have to feel sorry for those folks in the middle o' Europe. The love to fight each other, subject to invasions by larger neighbors, a dramatic situation for millennia. Why the US would take a side in that area is a mystery to me. Those folks combine poor impulse control and an ability to hold grudges in a way we don't appreciate.

Scott O

Say - here's some history the kiddies in American public schools are not taught:
https://www.quora.com/What-were-the-worst-tortures-performed-by-Native-Americans?share=1
Scroll down a bit to the heading of Louis Bousquet.
Lovely folk. It bothers me not one bit these savages were relieved of the power to commit these sorts of atrocities.

scenes

Scotto: "They had wars and slaves and tortured other humans just as the same as the rest of humanity."

Hang on. The Great Earth Mother wasn't guiding the matriarchy through the complexities of being good land stewards?

Oh man, ya can't trust nobody.

If you want to get really popular, do your physical anthropology gig studying Southwestern cannibalism. The rowdier college students will beat a path to your front door with signs 'n firebombs. But you know what they say, the coprolites don't lie (well, they should say that).

fish

Not just usual Joe Biden stupid but extra special Joe Biden sprinkled with Psul Emery stupid stupid....


Biden: "No Rational Basis" For 9mm Ammo In Self-Defense


Of course to "rational and thinking" people there is really no rational basis for Joe Biden in the Chief Executive.

Scott O

re my previous post concerning native torture:
It certainly hasn't stopped. Witness the powers that be torturing us with 'leaders' such as K Harris and pResident Brandon.

Scott O

fish 8:35 - Brandon means of course: your self-defense. The important people will have whatever sort of weapons and ammo they want.

Bill Tozer

It’s for the children: ‘Bureaucracy does not allow courage’

https://intellectualtakeout.org/2022/05/bureaucracy-doesnt-allow-courage/
———————————
Biden Claims A 9mm Bullet ‘Blows The Lung Out Of The Body’ And People ‘Couldn’t Own Cannons’

“It was never about AR-15s or “assault rifles.” It’s about convincing you to give up your inalienable right to defend yourself,” James Lindsay tweeted.
“So they’re ditching the whole “assault weapon” shtick this time and coming straight for 9mm handguns?” Newsweek’s Josh Hammer added.“

https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-claims-a-9mm-bullet-blows-the-lung-out-of-the-body-and-people-couldnt-own-cannons-in-1776

So, 9mm handguns are the target now? Yes!
9mms are now suddenly a high caliber weapon? Lol. Last I looked they were medium caliber weapons. Half of all handgun purchases in the US are 9mm and used by the vast majority of police departments.


scenes

"Biden: "No Rational Basis" For 9mm Ammo In Self-Defense"

Given that 9mm handguns are about the least radical thing a person can own, it's increasingly obvious that the real intent is confiscation of all firearms (perhaps with the exception of .22 rimfire long guns and airsoft).

Maybe he's simply pushing everyone to .45 ACP

https://i0.wp.com/militaryhistorynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/3d25106b37.gif

fish

Posted by: Scott O | 31 May 2022 at 08:42 AM


fish 8:35 - Brandon means of course: your self-defense. The important people will have whatever sort of weapons and ammo they want.


Oh no I get it.....its alway been and will always remain thus.

It's just his latest senile pontification over the weekend about 9mm ammunition "blowing the lungs out of the body". You'd think that...ahem...for the sake of credibility... they'd muzzle the f'ing moron.

Give him another ice cream cone....that always seems to shut his useless pie hole for a while. At least until the press leaves the immediate area and there's no one to report on yet another gaffe from the GaffeMaster!

fish

Maybe the 9mm fuss has to do with kicking off this years "Summer of Joy"



The Summer of Joy has arrived! Starting this weekend and for the next 100 days, be prepared to experience more joy than one thought humanly possible.

Final Joyful Tally: 9 killed, 46 wounded (Yet not much of the usual bleating about this from the Cheryl Cookes out there it seems)

2021 Memorial Day tally: 4 killed, 38 wounded
2020 Loot-N-Shoot tally: 30 killed, 64 wounded*
2019 Memorial Day tally: 8 killed, 35 wounded
2018 Memorial Day tally: 8 killed, 31 wounded
2017 Memorial Day tally: 7 killed, 44 wounded
2016 Memorial Day tally: 10 killed, 67 wounded
2015 Memorial Day tally: 12 killed, 45 wounded
2014 Memorial Day tally: 8 killed, 22 wounded

Friday 5/27
1:15p 7300 S Halsted, Englewood, M/39
3:45p 5600 W Madison, Austin, M/20
4:10p 6600 S Halsted, Englewood, M/43
10:15p 900 N Lockwood, Austin, F/31
10:15p 900 N Lockwood, Austin, M/32
10:15p 900 N Lockwood, Austin, M/34
10:20p 7900 S Drexel, Chatham, M/42
Saturday 5/28
3:30a 500 N Lavergne, Austin, M/56
1:30p 2400 W 63rd, Chicago Lawn, M/42
2:50p 6700 S Damen, Englewood, M/26
5:05p 5500 S Bishop, Englewood, M/29
5:05p 5500 S Bishop, Englewood, M/38 (story)
11:45p 2900 w 31st, Little Village, M/25
11:45p 2900 w 31st, Little Village, F/27
Sunday 5/29
12:45a 2100 W Coulter, Lower West Side, M/31
1:05a 5700 S Carpenter, Englewood, M/24
1:15a 7000 S Indiana, Grand Crossing, M/38
1:15a 7000 S Indiana, Grand Crossing, M/42
1:30a 800 S Karlov, Garfield Park, F/16
1:30a 800 S Karlov, Garfield Park, F/21
1:30a 800 S Karlov, Garfield Park, M/21
1:30a 800 S Karlov, Garfield Park, M/21
1:30a 800 S Karlov, Garfield Park, M/33
2:45a 700 S Michigan, Loop, M/18
4:55a 6300 S Calumet, Grand Crossing, M/?
6:40a 4200 W Madison, Garfield Park, M/39
5:55p 5000 S Drexel, Kenwood, M/28
8:05p 4400 W Gladys, Garfield Park, M/27
8:45p 400 E 87th, Chatham, F/30
9:15p 2200 S Christiana, Little Village, M/21
10:00p 500 W Erie, Near North Side, F/20
10:15p Walk-in @ Stroger, Near West Side, M/43
10:20p 4400 W Walton, Humboldt Park, M/69
10:20p 4400 W Walton, Humboldt Park, M/25
10:20p 4400 W Walton, Humboldt Park, M/27
10:20p 4400 W Walton, Humboldt Park, M/45
10:20p 4400 W Walton, Humboldt Park, M/23
10:30p 1800 N Kimball, Logan Square, M/37
10:45p Dan Ryan @ 71st, Grand Crossing, M/?
Memorial Day
12:00a 5000 King, Grand Boulevard, M/32
12:00a 5100 S Prairie, Washington Park, F/40
2:15a 300 W Chicago, Near North Side, F/26
2:15a 300 W Chicago, Near North Side, M/39
2:45p 6900 S Green, Englewood, M/31
5:05p 8600 S Aberdeen, Auburn Gresham, M/27
5:50p 7400 S Merrill, South Shore, M/17
7:45p 1300 E 93rd, Burnside, M/25
7:45p 1300 E 93rd, Burnside, M/26
7:45p 1300 E 93rd, Burnside, M/27
8:15p 200 W 63rd, Englewood, M/27 (selfie)
8:15p 8700 S Sangamon, Auburn Gresham, M/61
10:00p 200 N Breakwater, Loop, F/19
11:00p 4300 W Adams, Garfield Park, M/41
No Accountability Tuesday
1:10a 6300 S Wolcott, Englewood, F/18
1:10a 6300 S Wolcott, Englewood, M/27
*** Chicago Journal’s Weekend Wrap-up ***

Key:
shooting
homicide
Weekend = 12p Friday – 6a Tuesday
*2020’s shitshow was not Memorial Day weekend and does not include the extra day. All other years display their respective Memorial Day weekends no matter the date range.


Hat tip .heyjackass.com

scenes

"It's just his latest senile pontification"

Oh well, that's kind of an issue. It's amazing he noticed that guns are dangerous, that is the point after all. What is left of his mind is basically replaying some words that he heard in the last couple of days.

The person(s) to keep an eye on is whoever is writing the teleprompter, that's the real power in the US right now.

It's really all or nothing right now. If you truly believe that the 2nd Amendment has no value and that any means are worthwhile to save children from lunatics, all classes of firearms are to be made to disappear. A handgun is obviously about as effective as a magazine-fed small rifle on soft targets, a manually cycled long gun has it's own danger if the lunatic wants to play sniper. It's all the same thing, all dangerous, all to be abolished. When you hear the phrase 'common sense' anymore, it's typically a person being disingenuous.

Bill Tozer

No solutions. Today’s culture ain’t your Daddy’s culture.

“State-by-state analysis, by scholars from the Heritage Foundation, indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime. The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.”

Scott O

fish 8:52 - "...for the sake of credibility... they'd muzzle the f'ing moron."
Actually you would be amazed at the number of Americans that believe that crap. Check out the comments at DK or the comments on Twitter after a posting about some video clip from the news about firearms. They really think "assault weapons" have the biggest, scariest, most killingest kind of blammo of any fire arm.
Scared, ignorant people are the easiest to rule over if you want to be a tyrant. School children are far more likely to die in a vehicle smash-up than a school shooting, but the Lame Stream news media needs something to run with 24/7 to take the bad economy off the front pages. The mid terms are coming and it seems the Insurrection Follies are starting to bore the plebes.

fish

Posted by: Scott O | 31 May 2022 at 09:25 AM

Scared, ignorant people are the easiest to rule over if you want to be a tyrant.


Point taken! I sometimes forget that a significant fraction of the "thinking and rational" American electorate is populated with Psul Emery's and Cheryl's Cooke.


("They really think "assault weapons" have the biggest, scariest, most killingest kind of blammo of any firearm".

I really like this sentence.)

fish

Posted by: Scott O | 31 May 2022 at 09:25 AM

Scared, ignorant people are the easiest to rule over if you want to be a tyrant.


Point taken! I sometimes forget that a significant fraction of the "thinking and rational" American electorate is populated with Psul Emery's and Cheryl's Cooke.


("They really think "assault weapons" have the biggest, scariest, most killingest kind of blammo of any firearm".

I really like this sentence.)

scenes

You have to admit that it didn't take the Australians very long to adjust.

Here's some regular dude shooting a 12 gauge shotgun in a local match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JNLOGBJP1Y

Ya know, there's probably a market out there for a manual action magazine-fed handgun that you run with both hands. I've never seen anything like that.

Bill Tozer

Scott O @ 9:25 am

“ The mid terms are coming and it seems the Insurrection Follies are starting to bore the plebes.”

That is a big part of the equation. “Why aren’t you listening to us? Why are you not believing what we say?!!” The Lefties who cried wolf. The losing of power, ie control is freaking them out bigly. Next thing you know they will send some ignorant activist schlep to stink his finger in the dyke. Not being taking seriously is their worse nightmare.

Bill Tozer

So long Chief Grand Cherokee. Gotta keep up with the Woke times. Another tribute to the Native Americans erased by the enlightened mob. It’s for the children. White Devils!

Scott O

BT 10:53 - Anyone care to tote up the number of city, state and place names that are injun?
Seattle could become George Floydsville!

scenes

"Anyone care to tote up the number of city, state and place names that are injun? "

Probably innumerable.

Plus a few products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_company_and_product_names_derived_from_indigenous_peoples

I'm perfectly fine with the renames. Names like Chevrolet Cheyenne were done in honor of somebody, but if they want to get all butt-hurt about it we'll just go for Anglo-Saxon names. I'm fairly proud of what we accomplished even if the KVMR news team thinks that they are all descended from Hitler.

Chevrolet Crusader? Churchill brand pancake syrup? The Honourable East India Company line of clothing? Custer Custard? Sheridan Shoes? The opportunities are endless.

Paul Emery

George

Here is evidence enough for the need for a ‘cultural reset’ ,as you called it, and I agree with you in your assessment that this is something we need to deal with. The question is how we achieve that. Even if you include suicide by guns in the comparisons there has to be an explanation as to why this countries death by firearms number are off the charts when compared to other countries in what is termed as "developed economies". Check out the chart. I'll leave a link and scroll down until you see "Odd One Out Gun violence deaths per 100,000 people in developed economies" and you'll find our country has the most severe numbers by far. We have 3.984 deaths per 100,000 compared to Japan with 0.021, the lowest, followed by the U.K with 0.041. So what is it about our "culture" (as you put it) that is so different from those countries and shouldn't we study them for a path out of this mess?

Here's the link. Scroll down till you find the chart.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-world-comparison/

George Rebane

PaulE 146pm - In my 223pm I explained in detail how our culture 1) has a different developmental history than other developed countries, and 2) how that explains away our high ownership share and fascination with firearms. These cultural attributes cannot be changed quickly with legislation in a liberal democracy, but require a concerted effort in our educational and entertainment industries. When you tell me that you understand this, then let's continue this conversation; until then we'd just be talking past each other.

Paul Emery

George

What can change quickly is access to essentially military style weapons such as those used in Texas last week. What harm can be done with at least requiring a background check and say a 10 day waiting period before possession? Who knows, the person doing the shooting may have changed his mind if those procedures were in place and those 21 victims could still be alive today.
What do you think?

Gregory

Punchy

Bloomberg is lying to you. Suicide must be taken into account separately. Japan for a time had a larger violent death rate than the USA, murder plus suicide. Probably still does.

I've had three friends/acquaintances commit suicide in the past 10 years. One ended up jumping off a bridge at night into rapids below, another hung himself from a tree and another shot himself. The jumper had tried less effective means in the past, the hanger was in a bad spot with expecting to go to jail with the key thrown away, and the shooter was depressed.

All were adults who made the decision. A really, really bad decision, but their decision to make.

fish

What can change quickly is access to essentially military style weapons such as those used in Texas last week.


How are they going to do that?

Gregory

"What harm can be done with at least requiring a background check and say a 10 day waiting period before possession?"

We got that in Cali already, Paul. Does that make you feel any better?

The harm that can be done is that if you have reason to believe someone is about to kill you, you can't get a gun.

When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away.

Paul Emery

Gregory

Here is another chart from world population review titled Gun Deaths by Country 2022 including suicide. This includes all countries and we are 10th highest in the world at 12.2 per 100,000 just above Uruguay, Japan is the fourth lowest at o.06. This chart breaks it down showing homicides and suicides separately as well as cumulatively.

We show 40,000 total deaths by guns, Japan shows 76. Check it out here. You need to stroll down to find the total chart.

I have no idea where you got those numbers on Japan. Can you provide a link?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country


Gregory

Punchy, gun deaths including suicide just reproduces the error. Suicide doesn't care if it's by gun or jumping or hanging or drowning or bleeding or (insert methods here).
https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/
If someone wants to off themselves, they will find a way.

Try limiting your argument to gun deaths by manslaughter or murder. You will have to change where you gather your information.

Paul Emery


Gregory

Did you bother to open the link I provided? If you had, the category listed as
"Firearm-related death rate per 100K population per year" is easy to see.
They then divide the numbers between suicide and homicide. Did you find that?

It's very clear that they are charting firearm-related death rate per 100K population per year.
Check it out and get back to me.

Gregory

"Firearm related death rate". Homicide includes self defense? Homicide includes gangs fighting over territory and drug sales? Homicide includes justifiable killings? It includes suicide?

You just can't get there from here, Punch. The folks you're following are leading you by the nose to an anti-gun propaganda talking point.

Paul Emery

So the numbers mean nothing to you Gregory? Did you actually read the link I provided?

Paul Emery

Gregory

Here's yet another chart that concludes the same thing.

When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first among gun related deaths.

https://www.healthdata.org/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier

Scott O

Psul 3:13 - "What can change quickly is access to essentially military style weapons such as those used in Texas last week."
Ah, so it's the 'style' of the weapon - perhaps they should be required to be painted with a gay little rainbow of colors with sparkly tassels attached to the hand grip?
Maybe the children would have squealed with delight as he pumped shot gun rounds with double ought into them?
How about clubbing them to death?
This truly bizarre sickness of complaining about the device used during the killing of school children as the main issue is getting tedious and a not a little eerie. Maybe, just maybe Paul - you might concentrate your mind on the sad issue of young men in this country wanting to harm innocent humans.
Waiting period and background checks are fine for folks who will never harm anyone. The evil ones will just go out and buy what they can off the street.
I'd like to have schools employ the proven ways that are available to protect school children. You loser lefties can continue your fixation on pissing off people you don't like.

Paul Emery

What are the "prove ways" you refer to Scott and can you provide some documentation to support your contention?

Gregory

Yes, Punch, I actually read the site and considered what was being said.

The numbers given compare apples to road apples.

fish

Posted by: Scott O | 31 May 2022 at 05:13 PM


"What can change quickly is access to essentially military style weapons such as those used in Texas last week."


He still hasn't answered as to how he is going to work his "magic" on this as POTATUS has himself stated that he doesn't have the power to do this. He also hasn't a acknowledged that we already had a program for reducing ...."access to essentially military style weapons such as those used in Texas last week" and it was observed to be an abysmal failure.


PS: Final tally for the opening weekend to "The Summer of Joy 2022" - Chicago shootings: 47 shot, 9 fatally over Memorial Day weekend, CPD says

Still more success for progressive governance and restrictive gun control!


https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-shooting-memorial-day-weekend-violence/11911262/

Scott O

Psul 5:18 - "...can you provide some documentation to support your contention?"
Hilarious coming from the moron that can't even respond in an intelligent way to my questions to him over the years.
How many 'school shootings' happen in the schools where the children of the important people attend?
Answer - NONE. EVER.
Because they protect the children with actual military weapons - not some stupid "gun free zone" sign.
Ball's in your court, Psul - can't wait to hear you continue your complaint about children being slaughtered with weapons you don't approve of.
Are you going to go with your fav POTUS and approve the use of .22s to shoot kids dead?

scenes

"POTATUS"

lol. OK, I'm going to steal that.

Like Charlie Brown and the football, I'm going to ask Psul a question.

Let's say that there's several ways to avoid soft target (schools and the like) shoot-ups.

. Improve security
. Improve Americans
. Disarm Americans

I'll put forth the opinion that ten-day delays, background checks, and even the type of firearms available won't make a bit of difference.

Once again (in Australia, Land of Many Gun Laws)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JNLOGBJP1Y
Ten round box magazine, manual action (straight pull), 12 gauge shotgun in a scenario that's remarkably like blowing up people in an office building or classroom. Hard to write equipment rules that make reloading so slow that only one person gets shot. The shooter is not one of those superhumans who can run a non-autoloader a million miles an hour. Anyone can change out a mag lickety split with little practice.

So what do you do? Make all firearms illegal for everyone?

Paul Emery

So Scott

Bottom line is you have no problem with the fact that the Texas shooter was able to purchase two AR 15's and a thousand rounds of ammunition day after his 18th birthday with no background check or waiting period.

scenes

Scotto: "This truly bizarre sickness of complaining about the device used during the killing of school children as the main issue is getting tedious and a not a little eerie."

I admit that it's a weird fetish. Simply looking at the Ft. Hood shooting would show you that.

fish

Posted by: scenes | 31 May 2022 at 05:54 PM


"POTATUS"

lol. OK, I'm going to steal that.


Pretty sure I got that from you!

Gregory

"Bottom line is you have no problem with the fact that the Texas shooter was able to purchase two AR 15's and a thousand rounds of ammunition day after his 18th birthday with no background check or waiting period"

Punchy, you've been told... the Texas shooter passed background checks for both rifle purchases.

So, you're either feeble minded or lying. Which is it?

scenes

Psul: " two AR 15's and a thousand rounds "

Was he planning on shooting two AR15's at once? What difference does the number of rifles make?

Was he planning on loading up 50x 20 rd. magazines? Do you think that a lunatic shooter is going to carry around 50+ pounds of ammunition in a backpack or something? Why does the number of rounds matter?

What point are you trying to make here?

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 31 May 2022 at 06:05 PM

So, you're either feeble minded or lying. Which is it?



Embrace the healing power of "and"!

Don Bessee

Note to ponytail of ignorance, passed background check and it was 350 rounds not thousands ya po' ol' putin party parrot. Clearly only grandstanding 50 people shot in the shit hole formerly known as chi town and not a peep about gangsters or funding the police. sadolman

;-)

scenes

DonB: ", passed background check and it was 350 rounds "

Oh well. Psul loves to punch up his stories for dramatic effect. It goes along with the way that news production happens nowadays.

It would be better if he broke it down into things that matter.

. Should 18 year olds be able to buy firearms? (or vote? or drive cars?)
. Are AR-15s uniquely dangerous in some way that isn't obvious to me?

Those are both reasonable questions. The rest of it just the inevitable Psul histrionics.

Gregory

"Are AR-15s uniquely dangerous in some way that isn't obvious to me?"

Mini-14's are exactly as lethal. Same ammo. Less expensive, less black.

https://www.huntinggearguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Ruger-Mini-14.jpg

Paul Emery


Wrong Don. He purchased 1600 rounds. Here's a link for more info

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/uvalde-shooter-had-1600-rounds-few-laws-in-texas-limit-bullet-purchases/

Scott O

Paul 6:00 - you're going in circles, dude. The problem I have is that this twisted nutter was out free in society with a brain full of worms. The vast majority of 18 year olds buy firearms and don't harm anyone. The number of or type of firearms he bought (as well as the number of rounds) don't mean anything.
You asked for an example of what we need to do to protect the school children and I provided it and you simply "circle back" to the same idiot talking point you started with.
I want to protect school children and you just want to piss off people you don't like.
Interesting.

Scott O

Don 6:11 - "...50 people shot in the shit hole formerly known as chi town..."
Those shootings don't help carry forward the narrative.
The Dems can't use them for political points.
So - too bad, so sad.
Next.

Paul Emery


All I'm proposing is a 15 day waiting period to accommodate a full background check not just an on-line quickie that only checks your criminal record.

Scott O

Paul - thanks for that link - it's filled with the same sort of breathless stupidity you exhibit.
The gun store "was involved" with an ammunition smuggling scheme.
Yeah just the same as the Texas highway dept was "involved". Hey - they drove on the highway, didn't they?
After all the BS in the story, the bottom line is no laws were broken and it was business as usual.
People buy hundreds or thousands of rounds all the time. It's the cheapest way to buy ammo. It has absolutely nothing to do with what happened at the school.

Scott O

Paul - "...to accommodate a full background check"
And then he passes the check and then he kills the kids.
Way to go, Paul - you don't propose anything to prevent the murders - just have them happen 15 days later.
Whatta guy.

Scott O

Question for Paul - will the folks selling firearms under the table have to make these FULL background checks?
I'm sure they wouldn't want to violate any laws, right?

Gregory

"All I'm proposing is a 15 day waiting period to accommodate a full background check not just an on-line quickie that only checks your criminal record"

Earlier today you were proposing 10 days and a background check only to be told that was the law in kali now...

The check now isn't just criminal records, it's also mental health and drug use.

So, what does a waiting period do for public safety if the wanna be buyer already owns guns?

fish

This should end well…..


California Votes To End Mandatory Reporting On Students Who Threaten Schools


https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/27/california-votes-mandatory-reporting-students-threaten-schools-aclu/

psfish

“A mass shooting, with ten casualties, involving an AR-15 and full auto Glock “lungblowers,” in Charleston. Why no media buzz? When will the President be stopping by?”


https://www.postandcourier.com/news/10-people-hospitalized-in-memorial-day-mass-shooting-on-charlestons-east-side/article_03f3d8ca-e0c8-11ec-9e06-d7c88eb4df39.html


Oh…..that’s why there’s been no media coverage.

scenes

re: The Great Fisholio@12:17AM

Which led me to this:

"He said he was hit by students in front of his classes, prompting him to wear a padded bike suit to work. He also said he received a gun threat, and was followed off campus by the same student that threatened him.

“The whole school is under a de-escalation policy, so no matter what happens, none of the kids are yelled at or told they absolutely must do this or they’re going to get suspended,” Walker said. "

https://missionlocal.org/2022/04/total-meltdown-at-everett-middle-school/

As long as you can stay ahead of the maelstrom, Blue Mob America is a fun thing to watch. It's exhilarating to watch a train crash at a distance.

fish

Posted by: scenes | 01 June 2022 at 07:10 AM


"When she was introducing herself on the first day of school, a student got up and beat her so badly she was concussed, and now wears a hearing aid because she lost 75 percent of her hearing".


One of our regular progressive luminaries will need to drop by again and explain how the public "education" that they so cherish is different than spending a couple of months in the county lockup!

Scott O

re fish 12:17 - "“Once students make contact with law enforcement, they are less likely to graduate high school and more likely to wind up in jail or prison. These harms fall disproportionately on students from marginalized groups: Black, Indigenous, and Latinx students,” the organization said in a statement."
'make contact with law enforcement'
Gotta love the euphemisms.
Are there actual job positions for coming up with this sort of downward spiral of communication?
How many members of the ACLU actually live in or near these vibrant and colorful communities?
That old bugbear of cause and effect, rational thought and social order are clearly just evil leftovers from white-ism and will be completely eliminated to pave the way for a more equitable future. Huzzah.

Scott O

Can everyone just imagine a "full background check" from the feds?
If you're a Republican there's already a 50% chance you're a terrorist and wait til they find out you complained about CRT being taught at your kid's school.
Grand Admiral Levine and her purple-haired tranny corp will administer the checks.
All males involved in a monogamous relationship with a woman will be quickly denied a permit as they will be classified as "sexually repressed".

Scott O

Well - now we see what the whole problem is with mass murderers - they're not using the RAINBOW bullets!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/01/u-s-marine-corps-goes-woke-celebrates-pride-month-rainbow-bullets/
Can't do parody anymore. Reality bites itself.

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