Roe v Wade RIP (updated 26jun22)

George Rebane

It warms the cockles of me heart to hear that SCOTUS has put the abortion issue back into the jurisdiction of the several states where it belongs. (more here)  The Constitution is very clear on this – if the issue is not specifically covered in the Constitution, then its resolution and/or application does NOT ‘revert’ to, but 'remains' with the states to dispose of as they individually will.  Constitutionally, abortion never was a federal affair.  My own take on abortion has been covered extensively in these pages, and is accessible from here.

[26jun22 update]  As the lamestream lies continue about the SCOTUS ruling, shown below is the real state of abortion laws across the country.  The ruling will now remove a 50-year-old unconstitutional law of the land which SCOTUS had no business legislating in the first place, and put it back into the hands of Americans living in the several states to elect representatives and/or vote on initiatives to determine the legal state of abortion where they live – democracy in action.

Comments

[Gregory]

Punchy wrote
" So Gregory you then believe that abortion should be illegal from the moment of conception. No day after pills or anything like that."

Punchy was lying.

[Barry Pruett]

Paul you misunderstand. Ah ha moment? Yes. It is called conception. I personally think abortion is wrong and would strongly advocate to my own daughters (in any position regarding pregnancy) to have the child and either care for it or explore adoption. That said, the decision would be that of my child and the laws of the state of California in which they live. Folks in Oklahoma have different legislation regarding abortion. Because abortion is not a constitutional right and has never been one, it is up to the states.

[George Rebane]

PaulE re 1029am - In your habitual misconstruing of other people's opinions and beliefs, you always do it with a declarative assertion, which turns out to be incorrect. You might instead try your retort as a question with, 'Do I then understand correctly that you ... ?', or even the more unassertive, 'Then I understand that you ... . Please correct me if I'm wrong.' Then you might even get a civil response.

[Paul Emery]

Fair enough Barry

So do you personally agree with and support California current laws on abortion?

[Barry Pruett]

No but I choose to live here under those laws even though my opinion is not reflected by the majority. It would be impossible for me to live somewhere where I agree with everyone on every topic. That said you can have more just laws that are applicable to a population if those populations are smaller. People in Oklahoma have a different opinion about abortion and gun rights than people in California. Each region makes laws according to the popular views of their citizens. What works for California most certainly won’t work for Oklahoma. That’s why we have a federal system. My personal opinion is that abortion is wrong, but I understand that not all people see it that way. While it would not be my choice, I understand having a deadline for a woman to choose when to have an abortion. In some states it’s six weeks, and other states it might be 15 weeks, and other states it would be at any time prior to the child being birth. Each state is going to set that Deadline at a moment that is of the majority thinking in that state. I’m a strong advocate of federalism and localized authority as opposed to the federal government authority. I think with the Supreme Court did today is perfect and that the laws applicable to each state can be tailored to their constituents desires or consensus.

[Gregory]

So, Punchy, you personally agree with and support California's current laws on the legality of shoplifting and theft?

[Paul Emery]

Thanks for your thoughtful and articulate opinion Barry.

[Scott O]

We can see where Paul gets his histrionic, over-the-top attitude - from the minority opinion:
""Today, the court ... says that from the very moment of fertilization, a woman has no rights to speak of," their dissent read."
That, from 3 Supreme Court Justices.
Yeah - no rights to speak of - none. None at all.
Good grief - can't they come up with something maybe just a tad more sane and intelligent sounding? They sound more like a pack of grade school girls that didn't get their way.
It seems more likely that those 3 have decided that from the moment of conception, that human life "has no rights to speak of".

[Show-Me Kid]

For discussion sake...So Paul, do you agree that Scott Peterson should have the charges dismissed for the murder of the unborn child his wife was carrying when he murdered her?

I will agree that it is a conundrum.

[Paul Emery]

I don't recall details of that horrible event Kid but as I recall it was very late in the pregnancy and may have already been born. That's all I know. Let me know more if you find details. Either way I don't support late term abortions unless the mothers life may be endangered or the child may be still born.

[George Rebane]

Let's examine the Left's claim that Americans on the whole support abortions. The polling results quoted this afternoon state that (I don't remember the exact numbers) 60+% support 1st trimester abortions, 30+% support up to 2nd trimester abortions, and less than 20% support 3rd trimester abortions when the question is broken down from the simple and uninformative 'Do you support abortions?' So how many Americans actually support abortions, and is that really a valid question to inform public policy making? By letting the states make their own abortion laws, I think that SCOTUS hit it out of the park on this one.

[Don Bessee]

Why start telling the truth now -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-falsely-says-abortion-ruling-makes-us-outlier-developed-nations

;-)

[Paul Emery]

George

Do you support Texas laws allowing anyone to bring a civil suit against anyone they suspect having an illegal abortion. That's even across state boundaries.

check this out:

Texas’ abortion law, passed last year as Senate Bill 8, empowers private citizens to sue anyone who “aids or abets” an abortion after about six weeks of pregnancy.

The law is extremely broad — anyone, regardless of where they live or whether they have a connection to the person obtaining an abortion, can bring a lawsuit against anyone who helps someone obtain an abortion in virtually any way.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/24/texas-abortion-law-legal-challenges/

[fish]

You had to know that something like this was going to come out......

In 1982 Joe Biden proposes a constitutional amendment that would overturn Roe v. Wade and allow states to choose their own policies on abortion.

It’s okay though.....the senile grifter doesn’t remember what happened fifteen minutes ago. He can address the audience with a clear conscience.

https://theothermccain.com/2022/06/24/our-alleged-president-has-spoken/

https://twitter.com/davidharsanyi/status/1540355879995932672?cxt=HHwWgIC87d_guOAqAAAA

[fish]

The second comment on the above Twitter thread sums up modern America nicely.

“Isn’t it funny how any time the party of love and tolerance loses, the country immediately braces for violence?”

[Paul Emery]

It seems to me George that Conservatives would be supportive of less restrictions on our freedoms-in this case the freedom to choose to have an abortion. In that case proposing a set period of time-lets say 18 weeks-to make a decision would be appropriate. But oh yeah-there's that Christian thing that interferes with a reasonable solution that's advocated by most RR's who believe person hood begins at the moment of conception, Because of that there can be no reasonable solution that adheres to Conservative values.

[fish]

The US is impossible to satirize....

Dems Pause January 6 Hearings To Call For Insurrection

https://babylonbee.com/news/dems-pause-january-6-hearings-to-call-for-insurrection

[Scott O]

Paul just never quits: "But oh yeah-there's that Christian thing that interferes with a reasonable solution that's advocated by most RR's who believe person hood begins at the moment of conception..."

I said 'human life' Paul. I never said person hood.
Conservatives are usually for honoring and protecting human life. Do you have a problem with that, Paul? Conservatives are for freedom for the individual. But you don't have the freedom to take an innocent human life. Does Paul Emery think he has the right to take an innocent human life?
And notice how it's always the left that brings in religion.

[Don Bessee]

Talk about word salad @647 LOL

;-)

[George Rebane]

Our freedoms are contingent and not absolute. When you enter a crowded theater, you give up some of your free speech rights. When you become pregnant and harbor another human life in your body, your rights on what to do with or to that body become restricted until your body encapsulates only one life again.

[Barry Pruett]

Children are being given their endowed right to live. “Our opinion is not based on any view about if and when prenatal life is entitled to any of the rights enjoyed after birth. The dissent, by contrast, would impose on the people a particular theory about when the rights of personhood begin. According to the dissent, the Constitution requires the States to regard a fetus as lacking even the most basic human right—to live—at least until an arbitrary point in a pregnancy has passed. Nothing in the Constitution or in our Nation’s legal traditions authorizes the Court to adopt that ‘theory of life.'"

[Bill Tozer]

Yesterday, the whack job Keith Olberman was calling for the Supreme Court to be dissolved over the NY gun decision and today he blew his top over some abortion ruling.
He is having a bad Thursday and Friday.

Keith Olbermann
@KeithOlbermann
Samuel Alito, Amy Coney Barrett, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, John Roberts, and Clarence Thomas are domestic terrorists and should be approached and prosecuted as such.
3:48 PM · Jun 24, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

Hmm. Let’s see how the those who job it is to teach us what to think are faring:

https://www.newsbusters.org/

That good eh? Some folks simply do not like it when things don’t go they way they want them to.

‘CNN's Coates Warns of Legal Chaos & Civil War Over Roe Decision’

Such a violent lot those Dems are. Scary.

[Worth the Fight]

“This violence will likely be accompanied by rhetoric that more explicitly posits abortion not just as a positive good — “shout your abortion” — but a necessary one for women to enjoy their full rights as citizens under the Constitution. The argument, already gaining steam in public discourse, is that without a constitutional right to kill the unborn, women are relegated to a kind of second-class status, stripped of their full humanity. This rhetoric will be used in part as a justification for violence, but it also reflects the actual views of Democrats and the left on abortion.

Indeed, the very first paragraph of Justice Stephen Breyer’s dissent in Dobbs makes this claim: “Respecting a woman as an autonomous being, and granting her full equality, meant giving her substantial choice over this most personal and most consequential of all life decisions.” Note the phrase “full equality.” Without a right to abortion, women do not have full equality, goes the argument.

It is not the first time Democrats have asserted absolute constitutional rights that for their vindication require the total abnegation of rights or even personhood of entire classes of people. The modern Democratic Party’s stance on abortion rights is almost indistinguishable from its antebellum stance on the constitutionality of slaveowner rights.

Prior to the Civil War amendments, Democrats asserted that the inherent rights of white men, not just property rights but all of them, required the complete denial of the rights of black Americans. Today, Democrats assert that the inherent rights of women require the complete denial of the rights of the unborn.”

[George Rebane]

Worth 1115p - you draw a relevant and interesting parallel.

[fish]

. . . Maxine Waters: “To Hell With the Supreme Court, We Will Defy Them”

United States of America….???

[Paul Emery]

George

Do you support California's abortion laws? That's an entirely different question than whether it's a Constitutional right.

[Michael Kesti]

Abortion is not a major issue for me but I am enthused by the court's decision because it is a significant transfer of power from the federal government to the states. I have long held that the federal government has overgrown its pervue and favor just about anything that serves to correct that.

[George Rebane]

PaulE 900a - No, especially with the proposed package of 13 new laws to make CA a go-to abortion state for millions of irresponsible pregnant women whose abortions will be paid for completely by CA taxpayers.

[Gregory]

GR 947a

The sponsoring of abortion tourism will stop with the state's bankruptcy... so no worries.

[Paul Emery]

What law would you support George?

[George Rebane]

Gregory 1002a - Never thought of that; thanks. But then again, if there's a market for it, don't you think some bootleg abortionists will set themselves up with coat hangers? ;-)

PaulE 1040a - Without too much puzzling about it, I probably would support clinical abortions for rape, incest, and if the fetus is deemed to be damaged so as to rule out a QoL acceptable to both parents. Maybe later I'd put a finer point on it. What law would you support?

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

You can blame "abortion tourism ", if true, on the Supreme Court.

[Gregory]

No, Punch. I blame it on politicians in Sacramento.

The Supremes just righted an old left and abortion has been returned to the states where it belonged in 1973.

[The Estonian Fox]

June 25, 2022 (AP)
5-month-old girl shot and killed in Chicago, marking one of city's youngest victims of gun violence.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot stated "This won't add to our homicide total for the year, since we are fortunate to re-classify it as a very late-term abortion."

[Paul Emery]

Fox

Do you have a link for your 4:30 or is this some kind of bad joke?

[Scott O]

Yes Paul, Lori Lightfoot IS a bad joke.
Nice to see we agree on something.

[fish]

Mayor Lori Lightfoot stated "This won't add to our homicide total for the year, since we are fortunate to re-classify it as a very late-term abortion."

…..life imitates art!

👍

[Paul Emery]

fish

Do you have a link for that quote fish?

[Scott O]

Gregory 10:02 - "...will stop with the state's bankruptcy... so no worries."
Actually, I'm seeing that there will be no end of companies and non-profits that are promising to foot the bill for the travel cost and in many cases, the cost of the abortion. Kali could end up making money out of this.
And I have no doubt about the companies wanting to pay - abortion is cheaper than parental leave and the ensuing amount of 'sick' days to take care of the child. The left used to slag businesses for caring more about money than humans but times do change.

[psfish]

Posted by: Psul Emery | 26 June 2022 at 04:41 PM

Do you have a link for that quote fish?

Pretty sure I’m not supposed to address you but why not.

Here you go:

June 25, 2022 (AP)
5-month-old girl shot and killed in Chicago, marking one of city's youngest victims of gun violence.
Mayor Lori Lightfoot stated "This won't add to our homicide total for the year, since we are fortunate to re-classify it as a very late-term abortion."

Posted by: The Estonian Fox | 25 June 2022 at 04:30 PM?/i>

[Don Bessee]

So how many lala land luminaries moved to canada as promised? Who gives a shit about another old rocker? -

Green Day’s Billie Joe Armstrong ‘renouncing’ U.S. citizenship after Roe v. Wade overturn

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/green-day-billie-joe-armstrong-212200442.html

[fish]

Italics……love em!

[The Estonian Fox]

psfish 26 June 2022 05:26 PM.

I have to 'fess up - my cat wrote that line. Her name IS Lori, and she is as light-footed as a living creature can be. So there. Unfortunately, she identifies as a trans-male tiger on occasion. That's after she has listened to the Trans-Siberian Tiger Orchestra.

[Don Bessee]

Now thats funny the 3rd rate tv has been and the woketard ginger reject think they can lecture Americans. They cant lecture the UK because they are hated and fled to the warm embrace of west hollywood. ROFLOL

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/06/29/runaway-royal-meghan-demands-reprisal-for-roe-v-wade-ruling-that-upset-feminist-prince-harry/

;-)

[Scott O]

Here's the Democrat stand on abortion -
https://redstate.com/beccalower/2022/06/26/democrat-stacey-abrams-wont-call-abortion-up-to-birth-out-of-bounds-n584693
Right up til the point of delivery.
It's between the birthing dude and it's Dr Mengele.

[Scott O]

Your govt at work to kill your grandchild behind your back:
"The website informs children 15 years old or younger that parental requirement laws demand that parents and guardians must be involved with the decision to have an abortion.
If you need to avoid involving a parent or guardian, contact the If/When/How Judicial Bypass Helpline for information about getting a judicial bypass,” the website advises."
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/29/white-house-promotes-website-advising-children-about-hiding-abortions-from-parents/

[George Rebane]

We must remember, the children belong to the state because they inherit the collective.