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16 June 2022

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George Rebane

PaulE 719pm - that dog won't hunt Paul. What Trump did by presidential order, Biden can undo with a signature as he has shown in cancelling so many other of Trump's beneficial programs. If the govt continued to pay workers not to work, Biden could have stopped it 18 months ago.

Paul Emery

George

But Trump started the program by signing it into law. It was not a Presidential order. Biden stopped on last Sept 7. The Pandemic Emergency Unemployment Compensation Program' was passed by the Congress as part of the Cares Act and signed by Trump and later extended.

Follow this link you provided George:

Pandemic Emergency Unemployment Compensation Program'

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=+Pandemic+Emergency+Unemployment+Compensation+Program%27

It was part of the Cares Act signed by Trump and later extended by him.

https://www.investopedia.com/coronavirus-aid-relief-and-economic-security-cares-act-4800707

Paul Emery


George

Can you provide a few examples of the programs that support the your statement that "Millions of workers are in their hammocks enjoying govt checks..."

Bill Tozer

‘Unemployment Benefits Expire for Millions Without Pushback From Biden’

WASHINGTON — Expanded unemployment benefits that have kept millions of Americans afloat during the pandemic expired on Monday, setting up an abrupt cutoff of assistance to 7.5 million people as the Delta variant rattles the pandemic recovery.

The end of the aid came without objection from President Biden and his top economic advisers, who have become caught in a political fight over the benefits and are now banking on other federal help and an autumn pickup in hiring to keep vulnerable families from foreclosure and food lines.

The $1.9 trillion economic aid package Mr. Biden signed in March included extended and expanded benefits for unemployed workers, like a $300-per-week federal supplement to state jobless payments, additional weeks of assistance for the long-term unemployed and the extension of a special program to provide benefits to so-called gig workers who traditionally do not qualify for unemployment benefits. The expiration date reached on Monday means that 7.5 million people will lose their benefits entirely and another three million will lose the $300 weekly supplement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/business/economy/unemployment-benefits.html

So, Congress passed a Scared Bi-Partisan bill and Trump signed it. Congress passed an almost two trillion Scared Bi-Partisan roads and infrastructure bill (over ten years) and Biden signed it. Congress failed to pass the 2-4-6-9 trillion Bite Back Better Bill….because Trump left the House tighter and the Senate @ 50-50.

Bill Tozer

Wasn’t it Punchy who was screaming Trump is a liar because he did not get a $2,000 check fast enough?

“I don't care what Biden said Bill….” Well, you already said you don’t care about Hillary. You have already stated unequivocally that you don’t give a hoot about VP Kamala Harris, what she does and says. Now you don’t care with what Biden said. Aha, a single issue voter….with TDS. I would bring up Obama, but all I would get is “Bush did it too!”

Punchy, you would be the perfect candidate to be on the only Pelosi appointed members allowed on the J6 Committee. You should give Nan a call. Speak up, the old flea bag wharf denizen is hard of hearing.
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Remember Psul, you promised we would talk after Biden hits 6 trillion. Hope that was not a pinky promise.

Bill Tozer

Seriously, stop the violence. It’s bad enough the DOJ is investigating parents and members of the public whose only crime is to walk up to the microphone at a local school board meeting and speak their truth to power. Enough already, enough.

‘Democrats ignore threats against justices, churches, pregnancy centers and it's deeply disturbing’
It's time for Biden, Democratic Party leaders to stop giving pro-choice radicals' violence and threats a pass

“Sadly, we cannot expect much from this Justice Department, with a Civil Rights Division overseen by Kristen Clarke. Clarke has not hesitated to charge people with blocking the entrance of an abortion clinic. What about outright destruction of crisis pregnancy centers? Clarke has a history of calling such facilities "harmful" and "predatory" and using the hashtag "ExposeFakeClinics."”

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrats-ignore-threats-against-justices-churches-pregnancy-centers-deeply-disturbing

I am so old that I can remember back three years when looting and ransacking a business was a crime.

Bill Tozer

surpring...

Dartmouth is stripping student loans from its financial aid packages to allow students to 'prepare for lives of impact with fewer constraints'


https://www.businessinsider.com/dartmouth-strips-student-loans-from-financial-aid-packages-debt-free-2022-6?

Gregory

I'm so old that both of my mothers were real women.

fish

WHO LIKES POLLS…..


Biden on the rocks: 32% approval, 27% on economy



…….we like polls!

🐠

A plan of Frischian sophistication-


How Germany went “green” in 4 easy steps

1. Shut down clean nuclear
2. Move to unreliable wind/solar
2. Become reliant on Russian natural gas
3. Fire up dirty coal again


Neferious…..!

fish

If one of you would be good enough to note the time and date......


"Showbiz", "Gimmick": Pelosi, Obama Dismiss Biden's Push To Suspend Federal Gas Tax Into Midterms


Indeed a rare occasion where I find myself in agreement with both Pelosi and Obama regarding the wild flailing of a sad old man desperate to hold on to an office that he's is far too old to hold under the best of circumstances and would still be in way over his head even if he were 25 years younger!

George Rebane

PaulE - I suggest you watch FN to broaden your horizons. Otherwise you'll go on believing that the millions of households not participating in the workforce subsist on air and sunshine. I know that's part of liberal economics theory, but as with so many things the Left believes in, it doesn't tie with reality.

And with your 835p - "... have governments that you consider to be Communist-Marxist." - that false claim is sure a conversation stopper.

Paul Emery


Well George you allays said that if we adopt a national health care program such as Denmark etc we will be on the road to Socialism and then Marxism. Are you saying now that that is not a concern ? If if not then why not adopt a national health care system.

Paul Emery

Yeah fish you like polls when they are on your side. I recall that you and other RR's said polls were shit when Trump numbers were in the dump. What a hoot.

Paul Emery

Even Fox News is turning on Trump. Check this out:

Fox News anchor Martha MacCallum quotes;

“The lack of evidence is the huge stunning clear moment here where these people are saying, ‘Look I supported you, please give me something to work with,’ and it simply doesn’t materialize,” MacCallum said, per The Hill.

Arizona Republican House Speaker Rusty Bowers testified Tuesday that Trump and his lawyers pressured him to overturn President Joe Biden’s victory in the state.

“There was no ― no evidence being presented of any strength ... anything that would say to me, ‘You have a doubt. Deny your oath.’ I will not do that,” Bowers said of Trump’s fraud claims.

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/3531399-fox-anchor-jan-6-witnesses-outlining-huge-stunning-clear-lack-of-voter-fraud-evidence/

George Rebane

PaulE 108p – It’s hard to have a nuanced conversation with you because you see everything in their extremes – black/white, 1/0, true/false, socialist/capitalist, … . What’s worse, you interpret the views of others in the same vein, which they then deny, and that derails the conversation.

Nationalized healthcare is one of the topics I have discussed extensively on RR, and it appears that to date you have not understood a word of it. Most certainly I’m at my wits end and will no longer attempt to seek your comprehension, nor answer when you so poorly comprehend my beliefs, values, and interpretations as simple-minded notions of a simple mind.

fish

SC Dem seeks age limit for ‘geriatric’ politicians



...go long ice flows!



https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-biden-south-carolina-henry-mcmaster-fdb20097da4200bb9e6548385734cd38

Paul Emery


So That's good news George that you don't see a connection between national health care and socialism. Aw you know I am a strong n advocate of national health care because of my experience playing music in Europe for around 2 years and my personal relationship with friends there.

Gregory

punchy 211p

That's not what George wrote.

Paul Emery


George and the RR's:

Here's a direct quote from Trumps Truth Social on Sunday morning regarding his phone conversation with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger

"My phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State, with many other people, including numerous lawyers, knowingly on the line, was absolutely PERFECT and appropriate. YES, it was a PERFECT CALL (and so was the second call for which the Washington Post was forced to do a major, and somewhat embarrassing, retraction). Thank you!"

His phone call to Brad Raffensperger included this quote that he won the George election.

"There’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes," .

Do you believe that Trump was lying when he said that in his attempt to influence a public official to challenge the election?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/05/fact-check-trump-pressured-georgia-recalculate-vote-tally/4135556001/

Bill Tozer

Punch. Your comments should be posted under the J6 Kabuki theater and particularly the June 22 update.

11 June 2022
Scattershots – 11jun22 (updated 12jun22)
George Rebane
The professionally produced prime-time J6 congressional kabuki has the obvious…

Hopefully, this is a J6 Free Zone with a minimum of crossovers.

Bill Tozer

https://rebaneruminations.typepad.com/rebanes_ruminations/2022/06/scattershots-11jun22.html

Bill Tozer

Biden’s claims on the economy are pure malarkey

https://nypost.com/2022/06/21/bidens-claims-on-the-economy-are-pure-malarkey/

Biden crashed his No Malarkey bus. Never put him behind the wheel of anything.

Scott O

Paul 2:11 - "Aw you know I am a strong n advocate of national health care because of my experience playing music in Europe for around 2 years and my personal relationship with friends there."
Yep - plunking on a gee-tar and yakking with people does make you quite the expert on govt run health care, Paul.
And yet you have yet to explain why California failed to even try to set up a govt run system despite bragging they could hardly wait to do so for decades given the money and Dem control of the state. Both of which they claimed they had.
But, of course I'm not a guitar player, so what do I know about health care?

🐠

50 year mediocrity in the Senate doing the only thing he knows how to do…..


Biden Blames Putin, Refiners, & Gas Stations For Record Prices: 'Cost Of Saving Democracy'


…..except when he hides behind men with guns who will protect him and pretends to be a tough guy. That’s his other “go to”!


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/only-11-americans-believe-biden-narrative-putin-blame-record-gas-prices

Don Bessee

Freshly reappointed and confirmed fed chair calls creepy grampa joe a liar -

Fed chairman contradicts Biden, says Russia’s Ukraine invasion not the main inflation driver

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/fed-chairman-contradicts-biden-russia-ukraine-invasion-inflation

;-)

Bill Tozer

‘Delusional’: People Aren’t Buying WaPo Columnist’s Claim That Americans ‘Are Not Suffering As Much As They Think They Are’

https://www.dailywire.com/news/delusional-people-arent-buying-wapo-columnists-claim-that-americans-are-not-suffering-as-much-as-the-think-they-are

Scott O

re BT 7:34 - Michelle Singletary isn't suffering from her ethnic background or dark skin - so maybe she shouldn't be allowed to "complain" about racism in the US.
Deal?
In actually, she's just the typical 'useful idiot' (ala Paul Emery). Shilling for the Dems they wanted to take power and now find are incompetent and worthless.
I had always thought that it was noble for those who are 'comfortable' to speak up for those who are suffering, but it seems the left wants me to not notice the suffering of the working poor.
Interesting.

Paul Emery

T
aking a last look at the June elections-very conclusive that Nevada County is solid blue, not at all purple Only 1% left to be countee.


Governor Newsom Dem- 49%
Dahle Repub 34%

Lt Gov Jacob-Dem 37%
Fennell Repub 26%

Senator Padilla-Dem 50%
Mueser Repub 21%

House Jones Dem 48%
Kiley Repub 31%

Assembly Sandwith Dem 48%
Dahle- Repub 38%

Supes Dist 3 Swarthout-Dem support 48%
Spencer-Repub support 31%

District 4 Hoek-Repub 82%
Clark-MAGA support 17%

Clerk Recorder Adona- Dem support 67%
Teddler-MAGA Support 23%

Paul Emery

Correction-sloppy typing, my trademark.


Taking a last look at the June elections-very conclusive that Nevada County is solid blue, not at all purple Only 1% left to be counted.


Bill Tozer

Biden is toast. Done. His presidency is over. He will be gone after the mid-terms. Just don’t see him making it too many miles past November. If he makes it through his term, it’s because they have been carrying him on a gurney all the way. The common man with common sense has spoken. The motley crew.
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BIDEN IS DOOMED AND HAS NOWHERE TO RUN

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/06/biden-is-doomed-and-has-nowhere-to-run.php

Bill Tozer

‘Former DeSantis opponent Andrew Gillum indicted on multiple fraud charges’

“The scandal-plagued onetime rising star in the Florida Democratic Party was charged by the U.S. Attorney's office on Wednesday morning.

Andrew Gillum, a Democrat who narrowly lost to Ron DeSantis (R) during the 2018 Florida gubernatorial race, was indicted in federal court on Wednesday on charges of fraud.

The office for the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Florida announced the charges against Gillum and one of his longtime advisers, Sharon Letterman-Hicks, after a grand jury returned a 21-count indictment.”

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/former-desantis-opponent-andrew-gillum-indicted-multiple-fraud-charges

Wonder who his lawyer is?

In a statement to NBC News, Gillum's legal team, which includes top Democratic attorney Marc Elias, said, "The government got it wrong today. The evidence in this case is clear and will show that Mr. Gillium is innocent of all charges. We look forward to putting this case to rest and giving Andrew and his family peace of mind once and for all."

Didn’t Gillum run for President in 2020? Wasn’t he on the Drop Out Derby list? Or was that somebody else….like Messam?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/were-keeping-an-eye-on-wayne-messam-the-florida-mayor-running-for-president/


Bill Tozer

Long essay.

A Tale of Two Propositions
Diversity, democracy, and affirmative action.

https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/a-tale-of-two-propositions/

Bill Tozer

Supreme Court strikes down New York law restricting concealed carry permits

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/hold-supreme-court-xxxxxxx

That is a no-brainer.

Paul Emery

Preview of coming attractions:

Former acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, former acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue and the head of the Office of Legal Counsel Steven Engel will testify today the Jan 6 committee.

Here's a quote from Rosen:

"Some argued to the former President and public that the election was corrupt and stolen. That view was wrong then and it is wrong today, and I hope our presence here today helps reaffirm that"

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/politics/january-6-hearings-day-5-what-to-expect/index.html

Gregory

Thank you, Justice Thomas.

Gregory

Governor Newsom Dem- 49%
Not Dem Newsom... 51%

Lt Gov Jacob-Dem 37%
Not Dem Jacob... 63%

Senator Padilla-Dem 50%
Not Dem Padilla... 50%

House Jones Dem 48%
Not Dem Jones... 52%

Assembly Sandwith Dem 48%
Not Dem Sandwith... 52%

Supes Dist 3 Swarthout-Dem support 48%
Not a partisan orifice

District 4 Hoek-Repub 82%
Not a partisan orifice

Clerk Recorder Adona- Dem support 67%
Not a partisan orifice

Punchy, the evidence is that you are a partisan orifice.

Bill Tozer

The mainstream media’s lies on secret migrant flights

https://nypost.com/2022/06/22/the-mainstream-medias-lies-on-secret-migrant-flies/

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/06/redistribution-illegal-alien-edition.php
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The CDC Just Pushed Fake News on Covid Child Mortality

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-cdc-just-pushed-fake-news-on-covid-child-mortality/
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New elite of the elites spin….or lead trial balloon? Seen it tried twice in last 48 hours.

The spin is it is all our fault (including the media) for talking up the looming recession—thus making the recession come upon us. We are talking our way into a recession and by talking about it, we are making come true. It’s not Biden’s fault nor his policies. Blame the media, lol. Blame Scott O and Don B! Stop noticing things.

fish

It seems TEAM EVIL has found their anti-DeSantis.....


AS A COLORADO RESIDENT, I CAN’T WARN YOU STRONGLY ENOUGH AGAINST OUR GOVERNOR: Polis plots presidential run as Dems wheel Biden towards Shady Pines Rest Home. “Make no mistake about it, Polis is positioning himself to run for president the minute the Democrat Party checks poor old Joe Biden into the Shady Pines Rest Home.”


https://coloradopeakpolitics.com/2022/06/20/polis-plots-presidential-run-as-dems-wheel-biden-towards-shady-pines-rest-home/

Paul Emery


Just reporting on the numbers Gregory that clearly show Nevada County is solid blue which George describes as "the blue pimple" in rural California. We will have a more liberal Board of Supervisors with the likely replacement of Dan Miller with Lisa Swarthout . Also Nevada County voted solid blue in all Statewide elections.

Gregory

Punch... I used your words to show Nirvana County is purple.

George Rebane

re PaulE 912a - I'd like to point out that PaulE is one of our own local leftwingers who amply demonstrates the reason for the putrid politics and disastrous single-party governance of California. In our state the progressives are like a spreading flesh-eating bacteria that is consuming the state's QoL and leaving behind piles of offal in the new regions into which they establish themselves. Their aim is to bring to the rest of the state the 'equity' of the shithole cities they have created. PaulE et al across the land neither see nor acknowledge this devastation. To them it is another welcome demonstration of how progressives view and implement 'social justice'.

fish

Awwww…….


Biden "Deeply Disappointed" In SCOTUS Ruling On Open Carry


…..sad old man is sad!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/historic-win-gun-rights-scotus-rules-ny-draconian-restrictions-are-unconstitutional

fish

Awwww…….



Gavin Newsom rages at Supreme Court over New York Second Amendment decision



…..sad crooked pol is sad

fish

Awwwww…..



Ken Griffin Is Moving Citadel To Miami, Leaving Chicago Crime Cesspool Forever Behind



…..sad Mayor Ackbar is sad.



https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ken-griffin-moving-citadel-miami-leaving-chicago-crime-cesspool-forever-behind

Paul Emery


Gregory

Non Partisan offices Gregory? Take a look at the Nevada County Republican Party endorsements and virtually all of them lost. Includes District 3 Supervisor and Clerk Recorder. Also it would take virtually all votes in statewide election that did not vote for the top two candidates to vote Repup in order to have a Repup majority. It is not going to happen Gregory and you know it,

Here's a list of Nevada County Repub Party endorsements including those you say are non-partisan.

https://www.nevadacountygop.org/

Paul Emery

George

Just remember that the last Repub Governor was the Schwartz and what gem he was, Can you outline a few of his accomplishments as evidence we would be better off with Repub State governance?

Gregory

Even Adona declared herself as a non partisan in mailers. Was she lying, Punch?

Bill Tozer

Would Barely Rational exaggerate?

Paul Emery

No Gregory. I'm just showing that Tedder was endorsed by the Republican party and his losing by such a huge margin is just another example of Nevada County preferring not to vote for Republican supported candidates. Solid Blue County Gregory. Besides why do you care since you're a Libertarian right?

George Rebane

PaulE 1006am - Yes I can. The Governator was elected on the promise to promote four major initiatives that would have markedly improved our lot as Californians (I leave it to you to look them up.) After spending considerable political capital promoting them, the Democrat legislature shot each one of them down, and essentially made him a place-holder executive which was their aim until the next Dem disaster took office.

But I do appreciate your continued presentation of evidence of how the liberal minds in California offer neither reason nor hope for ever lifting us out of our monopoly-party governance cesspool.

BTW, re my 941a above, here is more evidence of the state’s progressive plague to which you are a party. This NC liberal went back to visit her old hometown SF which is now a posterchild for shithole cities. She and her friends had their van broken into and some very valuable and irreplaceable stuff stolen. She describes and laments the trip in the 23jun22 Union, and blames the whole affliction of California cities on “the previous administration”. Irredeemable. (H/T to reader) More here -
https://www.theunion.com/lifestyles/family-focus/hollie-grimaldi-flores-no-walk-in-the-park/

Gregory

Punchy, I wouldn't even care about the Republican endorsements if I were a Republican.

Paul Emery

George

OK here's something for you to ponder. I would consider voting for Dahle for Governor because I am not exactly a fan of Newsome. However that would depend on him doing a few things. First, show a distance from Trump and state that the election was not stolen. Second, support reasonable legislation supporting a woman's right to choose and third continuing and strengthening California's policies on Gun Control.

So George those are three issues off the top of my head that he would have to peruse if he has any hope of pealing off enough Dems to vote for him to win the election.

I met him a few times and I personally liked him.

fish

That poor Linda Kelleher appears to be off her meds again......



I guess the surgery really messes with your head.

George Rebane

PaulE 1131a - Forget about Trump, Biden is president until the Dems put him into the Shady Sunset Acres rest home. "Women's right to choose" is a bullshit liberal term that only presses leftwing hot buttons. If you mean that a woman having reached majority can legally get an abortion through our healthcare system, then almost all Republicans are for it as long as it's done sufficiently early, decided by the state, and the govt doesn't automatically pay for it. But "strengthening California's policies on Gun Control" is a non-starter. CA already has the absolute strongest gun controls which it haphazardly enforces, and is the country's leader to completely abrogate 2A, making private possession of firearms illegal. Those who promote ratcheting gun controls are a dead giveaway of our nation's ignoramouses who believe that a rogue govt, which already has opened its borders and fosters criminality across the nation, "can't happen in America."

Scott O

"Second, support reasonable legislation supporting a woman's right to choose and third continuing and strengthening California's policies on Gun Control."
Hmmmmm....
Didn't Paul claim setting up govt run health care was important? What happened to that?
And how is Dahle supposed to know exactly what the details of Paul's typical vague fantasies are concerning these laws and regs?
As long as Dahle starts acting like a Dem, Paul will vote for him.
Hilarious.

Paul Emery

Scott

My statement was a very quick summary. Just as a test do you believe that Biden was elected President of the United State and the election was not stolen as the MAGA's and Trump chant?

Paul Emery


George

You write "forget about Trump" I'm sure you are aware that In poll after poll, about 70% of Republicans say they don’t think Joe Biden is the legitimate winner of the 2020 election. I could not support Dahle if he was one of those. I assume you are not part of that 70%

Scott O

Paul - "My statement was a very quick summary."
That doesn't answer my question to you Paul, and you know it.
Instead, you just ask me a question.
You are claiming you would vote for Dahle if he could somehow read your mind and decipher what vague crap goes on in there.
And FYI - there is no "woman's right to choose".

Don Bessee

So desperate for pr they try to get away with an edited video to make the kakkler in chief look good -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-office-posts-video-vp-sinking-basketball-shot-5-misses

;-)

Paul Emery

Scott

So what you are saying is that a woman does not have the right to decide to have an abortion and legally obtain one. If not that what do you mean when you write "there is no "woman's right to choose"?

Scott O

Poor Paul - Did you read what I wrote?
I'll type slower.
There is no "woman's right to chose".
If you think there is, please show us all where in the Bill Of Rights it is.
There are no animal rights, gay rights, tranny rights...
They don't exist, Paul.

Bill Tozer

Paul.
What the State of California means by right to choose is in fact means no restrictions.
Zero. Day of birth, borderline infanticide, if not infanticide. Your former 13 week limit sounded reasonable to you once, but that 1st trimester is out the window now. So is the 2nd trimester and the 3rd trimester…

A woman’s right to choose is in 2022 in Democrat Party speak is no limits, no restrictions, no reasonable nuthin’. The Killing fields of Black children of whom and where 60% of the PP Abortion are situated. Kill more black babies. Ever wonder why the Black population as not increased like the other minorities? Still stuck at 13% as other minorities increase their size and percentage of the population.

Times change Paul and you got to keep up with your fellow lefty pilgrims. No guns allowed and smoke them babies if you got one.

Bill Tozer

Mollie Hemingway.

‘Yes, Biden Is Hiding His Plan To Rig The 2022 Midterm Elections’

https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/23/yes-biden-is-hiding-his-plan-to-rig-the-2022-midterm-elections/
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Crisis Pregnancy Centers That Democrats Smeared As ‘Fake Clinics’ Saved 800,000 Lives Since 2016

https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/23/crisis-pregnancy-centers-that-democrats-smeared-as-fake-clinics-saved-800000-lives-since-2016/
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EXCLUSIVE: Rep. Jordan Demands Receipts After Biden DOJ’s Refusal To Prosecute Threats Against Supreme Court

https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/23/exclusive-rep-jordan-demands-receipts-after-biden-dojs-refusal-to-prosecute-threats-against-supreme-court/

Don Bessee

Canary in the coal mine? -

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/06/22/socialist-sri-lanka-announces-its-economy-has-completely-collapsed/

;-)

Paul Emery

So Scott you are saying then that a woman does not have the right to choose to have an abortion. That implies that the government can choose to deny her that right as they have in Oklahoma for example.

From the Gov of Oklanoma

"I promised Oklahomans that as governor I would sign every piece of pro-life legislation that came across my desk and I am proud to keep that promise today," the first-term Republican said in a statement. "From the moment life begins at conception is when we have a responsibility as human beings to do everything we can to protect that baby's life and the life of the mother. That is what I believe and that is what the majority of Oklahomans believe."

It seems you have no problem with this.

Don Bessee

He earned it -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2024-poll-9-percent-new-hampshire-voters-definitely-want-biden-run-president-again

;-)

Scott O

from Paul - "So Scott you are saying then that a woman does not have the right to choose to have an abortion."
OK - this time I'll type even slower...
There is no "woman's right to choose".
Paul claims it exists and yet he can't actually show where. So he makes up crap that he attributes to me.
If you wish to discuss the various laws concerning abortion I can do that.
Meanwhile - show us all where there is an enumerated right that states there is a "woman's right to choose".

Paul Emery

So Scott you have no problem with the Government having the power to do what is happening in Oklahoma-declaring life begins at conception and not even allowing day after pills.

Paul Emery


Also Scott, do you think the Government has the right to tell a woman she can't have an abortion or take a day after pill?

Paul Emery


I stand corrected-Oklahoma does allow the day after pill. The rest of my comment stands-

Scott O

Paul - you made a statement about a "woman's right to choose" and I asked you where that 'right' comes from. Everything else after that from you was the typical BS of dodging the question.
And so ends a scintillating conversation with Paul Emery who runs away from his own words like no other.
Pathetic.

Paul Emery


Scott

What "right" does a state government have to not allow a woman to have an abortion? A link will do. You are a conservative so I'm sure you believe in limited government power over our personal lives.

Scott O

Have a nice day, Paul.

Barry Pruett

Paul, you live in California. Why do you give two shits what people in Oklahoma are doing? Think we’d all be happier if you “progressives” would just mind your own business.

Bill Tozer

a bit of old news from last week. Divisive complaining sour face folks are a gangrene to the common goal of SpaceX....and any business. No one likes to be around them.

Get Woke, Go Broke: SpaceX Fires Employees Who Wrote A Letter Blasting Elon Musk’s ‘Behavior’ And ‘Values’


https://www.dailywire.com/news/get-woke-go-broke-spacex-fires-employees-who-wrote-a-letter-blasting-elon-musks-behavior-and-values?

"Does not play well with others." --line from Beetlejuice.

Paul Emery


So Scott is a fake conservative who believes government has the right to tell a woman what she can do with her body, Fake Fake Fake

Barry Pruett

Devils advocate. Paul, Where is it written anywhere that a we can kill babies?

Scott O

Have a nice day, Paul!

Paul Emery


Barry

Do you consider a one week pre-fetus a "baby"?

Paul Emery


Barry

Why don't you live in Oklahoma where apparently many more people would share your beliefs.

George Rebane

PaulE 504p – Now you have a chance to redeem yourself re the effectiveness of socialist countries in managing their economies. Please comment on socialist Sri Lanka’s admission that its economy has collapsed. Other collapsed economies are not admitted by their socialist central controllers like in Cuba, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Belarus, … all of which pretend to be above water through massive government subsidies and control of uncompetitive major industries. And then there’re countries like the UK whose nationalized healthcare is again on the rocks forcing the government to again raise taxes by 2.5% to keep funding a sinking bureaucracy providing ever-contracting services. Have you checked out Denmark lately?

Don Bessee

What happens when you lose the argument @537. ROFLOL

;-)

Gregory

The Okies are free to vote their state guvmint out if they want the right to kill their zygotes.

Paul Emery


George

According to the chart you touted Denmark is ranked 10th in economic freedom. We are 24th. What does that mean to you? You are the one who posted that graphic.

Gregory

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!

After the grand start this morning, nothing short of thermonuclear war could ruin my day.

Gregory

Punch 533p

What do we call a Real Woman(tm) with a zygote?

George Rebane

PaulE 551p - Nice duck Paul. Try their healthcare system.

Don Bessee

Too senile to know to sit down, needs a cheat sheet -

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-holds-notes-you-enter-roosevelt-room-you-take-your-seat

;-)

Bill Tozer

I will play with Paul, albeit is my uninvited and unsolicited opinion.

Paul, you have misread the leaked draf and the abortion issue. It’s all about State’ Rights…or rather prohibitions of the Federal Government. If the Constitution is silent on an issue then, per our Constitution setting up our Representative Republic, the issue belongs in the individual states to decide by local (state) representatives. It should have never been in the realm of the Federal Control.

Like you, we have been told about the right to abortion since around 73. So much so, we took it as a given. Roe may be overturned because 1) it was based on a faulty court decision and the issue is a States issue, not the Feds. Roe vs Wade has always been on shaky ground….and for good reason. It if was a right, it could not ever be taken away. The right to privacy between two gay men doing oral sex behind closed doors magically extended ‘privacy in one’s home (a reasonable expectation) to a right to abortion.

Here is the leaked draft. Alito’s reasoning is brillant, even if you do not agree. He addresses so many of the concerns and questions you and any reader may have. No, I did not read all of it (skimmed some parts), but his Constitutional arguments are tight.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21835435/scotus-initial-draft.pdf

Yes, Oklahoma will try to ban abortions. North Dakota’s fine Governor said she feels such a relief that the last remaining abortion clinic has been wiped from land of her state. Whether you like it or not, states with varying restrictions on abortions, from rape and incest only to first trimester to no restrictions (like CA) to day of birth/post birth like VA….all of these different abortion policies pretty much reflect the will of the people in the in those diverse states. Another example of the brilliance of our founding fathers mapping out of Federalist system. If OK bans abortion, head over the state line.

The State government is the Government that can tell a woman she can or cannot kill the unborn child in her womb. And ifI want to place a bet on the horses or a game, I have to drive to Nevada to do so. State tells me no.

Read up on Alito’s actual First Draft and get the actual words in your head..not some legal analyst who has no power at this point besides his/her opinion. Don’t trust Jeffery Tubing Toobin.

Bill Tozer

On the bright side, the pro-abortion folks have much to cheer about. They got their wish! No longer will old white men in robes tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body! If Roe is overturned, it will be your State Legislators signed by your Governor than will tell a woman the rules for getting an abortion. Put those robes in the dust bin of history. :)

Bill Tozer

Ya Barry, why don’t you move to Oklahoma? Maybe you can become an "Okie From Muskogee“ where even squares can have a ball. :).

Paul Emery

George

Why did you feature that particular chart ? It seems that it's totally irrelevant to anything that is being discussed.

Paul Emery


Bill

Using your line of reasoning and touting the reverence you give the Constitution let me ask you it that applies to the right" of some states to practice slavery which of course led to the civil war. There is no reference to slavery as far as I know in the Constitution or the right to citizenship for African Americans.

Gregory

punch 645p

that was settled in 1865

Paul Emery


But according to Bill and Scott it was probably unconstitutional because it wasn't specifically in the Constitution.

Bill Tozer

Punchy, the Native Americans did not get the right to vote until 1911 or thereabouts. Slavery was an inherited evil system that our Nation abolished in just one generation. Amazing. Is this a great fantastic country or what? Makes me proud to be an American. Only in America that slavery could be abolished in such a short time frame. So, I take it you have not read The First Draft?

Opps link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68cbjlLFl4U
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In quasi related news

Clarence Thomas: Expanding The Administrative State Comes At The Expense Of The Constitution

https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/23/clarence-thomas-expanding-the-administrative-state-comes-at-the-expense-of-the-constitution/

Hey Punch. Why don’t you move to Frisco or New York or LA. They still call Clarence Thomas house boy, House n****r, and most often “Uncle Tom”. There are many many people who share your beliefs…there.


Gregory

punchy 700p

you're being an idiot.

Paul Emery

Well Gregory with a woman's right to choose being unconstitutional because it's not specific in the Constitution how does that line of thinking apply to other situations that are not specific such as slavery, as an example. Can you show me in the constitution where that is specifically described as being Constitutional? Yes, in those days it was left up to the States. Hmmmm sounds familiar. From Bill "it will be your State Legislators signed by your Governor that will tell a woman the rules for getting an abortion." Thats just like some states allowed slavery, others didn't.

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