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08 August 2022

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Don Bessee

Yo BT, kind of already covered brother.

;-)

Bill Tozer

Not so cut and dry, now is it Paul?

‘How Barack Obama set the legal path for the FBI's Trump raid’
2009 executive order stripped prior presidents' standing to maintain executive privilege. Court hearing Friday in Navarro case could challenge that.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/how-barack-obama-set-legal-path-fbis-trump-raid

Bill Tozer

Don Bessee.

Opps, I did it again, eh. Be nice or I will start calling you Bessee Blunt. :)

Ok, back to Media Matters.

‘Morning Joe Pushes Possibility 'Nefarious' Trump Sold 'Ultra-Secret' Documents’

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mark-finkelstein/2022/08/24/morning-joe-pushes-possibility-nefarious-trump-sold-ultra

Not such plain ole Top Secret docs, but ULTRA-SECRET documents, lol. Wonder what is higher than ultra-secret documents? Mega ultra-secret?

Barry Pruett

First of all Paul, many of the documents were declassified in October 2020. Second, what law requires the president to fill out a form to declassify anything. You clearly do not understand presidential power. It is all bullshit. Just like Russia collusion. Just like Ukraine impeachment. Just like January 6.

Bill Tozer

Barry @ 6:39 am

When I think back to President Trump’s trip to Helsinki to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin, I start to get upset. Back home stateside, former CIA Director John Brennen was yelling out, “Traitor!”, knowing full well it was all bullshit he was spewing. He knew all to well that he was lying and perpetuating the Big Lie. James Clapper joined the chorus of liars, along with former Defense Secretary pink tie Aston Carter, Hillary Clinton, the entire fake news media, and a host of other government partisan expert hacks. All of them joining the chorus and each and every one them knowing full well they were lying to the American public.
And, of course, there was Punchy, the notorious and habitually proven wrong dipshit having a field day, including quoting Ronald Reagan, lol.

When I think of that trip….well….it puts everything in perspective. It is all bullshit. But, then again, you cannot shame a sociopath. It was truly all bullshit. Thankfully we have Punchy here to remind us all that it IS all bullshit.

Have a good day, Barry.

Barry Pruett

“Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President’s term and in his sole discretion,” Amy Bergman Jackson wrote in Judicial Watch v. NARA. Audio tapes of Clinton were discovered in his sock drawer. Judicial Watch wanted to order NARA to seize the records. The judge said no because obviously Clinton said they were his and he gets to make the call.

Paul Emery

Do you have a link for your 9:47 Barry

Barry Pruett

Look. It. Up. And. Learn. Something. Yourself.

Don Bessee

BT @ 1124 i never got a penny of royalties off those! LOL

;-)

Paul Emery

Barry

Why is it so difficult to document your assertions Barry?

Don Bessee

Lazy ass is as lazy ass does @125

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Gregory

punchy 125p

Why are you so bloody helpless with a keyboard and a browser?

Hint: if you ever read a paragraph that you want to find a link to, clip a sentence or two and paste it into a browser.

Barry Pruett

Paul. Does it really matter if I provide a link to a case? You won’t listen anyway.

Buuuutttt. Here you go.

Www.go-fish.com

Barry Pruett

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-08/memorandum%20opinion.pdf

Jesus Paul. “Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President’s term and in his sole discretion,” Amy Berman Jackson wrote in Judicial Watch v. NARA. Audio tapes of Clinton were discovered in his sock drawer. Judicial Watch wanted to order NARA to seize the records. The judge said no because obviously Clinton said they were his and he gets to make the call. Period. Full Stop.

Paul Emery

I contend it is the responsibility of the poster to provide documentation. That includes me. I usually do. If I don't let me know.

Paul Emery


Thanks Barry, I appreciate it.

I will read your link and get back to you. Probably tomorrow.

Paul Emery


This should erase any question as to whether there were Top Secret documents removed from Trumps Mar-a-Lago home:

"FBI agents who searched former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home Monday removed 11 sets of classified documents, including some marked as top secret and meant to be only available in special government facilities, according to a search warrant released by a Florida court Friday.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fbi-recovered-eleven-sets-of-classified-documents-in-trump-search-inventory-shows-11660324501

Gregory

They were Top Secret at one time. Were they Top Secret after President Trump said they weren't?

Play Final Jeopardy! theme.

psfish

Posted by: psul “psul falls for it every time” Emery | 26 August 2022 at 12:10 PM

This should erase any question as to whether there were Top Secret documents removed from Trumps Mar-a-Lago home:



So delightfully gullible! Promise me you’ll never change!

Bill Tozer

Is Punchy still beating that dead horse? Enjoying the almost totally redacted unredacted search warrant justication application?

unbelievable! Glen Beck is back with his chalk board. its still a blackboard to me.

https://fb.watch/f8SJ1R_jvz/

Paul Emery

When did Trump declare them not Top Secret Gregory? Documentation as to a date would be appropriate. When was the de-classification declared"

Bill

Even though much was redacted they were classified as Top Secret. Do you think the information should be released to the public and the press should have access to contacts and communications just for a start?

Don Bessee

As much as the ponytail of ignorance wishes it was not so a former president is vastly different than anyone else when it comes to his records.

;-)

Bill Tozer

paul. i was talking a out the expected heavily redacted "unredacted" search warrent. just released.

Do you realluly think they are going to charge Trump with anything once they get the Crossfire Hurricane files back? Thats what they are after. oh yes, they might drag this out longer than the simple Michael Flynn case which proved General Flynn did not knowingly lie to the FBI...eventually.

Paul Emery

What was redacted Bill was described as Top Secret. Details should have been deleted because there could be material that would risk the lives of contacts and agents of our country.

Don Bessee

BWWWWWWHHAAAAAAAA! Thats way too funny oh great ponytail of ignorance @139

;-)

Gregory

Punchy just keeps throwing the same punch.

Paul Emery

So Gregory do you actually contend Trump did nothing wrong in relation to taking classified document to Mar-a-Lago and shouldn't be investigated?

fish

Punchy just keeps throwing the same punch.


You think he’d get tired of looking so routinely ridiculous.


Maybe the only attention he gets is here? Sad!

Bill Tozer

So, Paul, did you watch a few minutes with Beck? You should. On the eve of the election night in Nov. 2016, Glenn was literally in tears begging his audience to DON’T VOTE for TRUMP. Oh, he was so sincerely, begging, pleading, imploring with man sized tears that it would be a horrible mistake to vote for Trump in 2016. Same with Ben Shapiro, with the emotional drama and Eric Erickson and…. Come on, watch 2-3 minutes of Beck, buddy.
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Well, it video ain’t your learning style, how about some print? Black and white on the screen:

‘FBI warrant for Trump search relied on media reports, like earlier bungled Russia FISA warrants’
By John Solomon
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/fbi-warrant-trump-search-relied-media-reports-bungled-russia-fisa
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What the FBI got AFTER Trump turned over boxes. Not on August 8, but months earlier. Hey Paul, the leak from your anonymous sources and the NYT said there were 300 classified docs, not 187….turned over months ago, lol. I guess March and April are technically “before the August 8 RAID.

‘DOJ releases affidavit showing FBI collected 184 sensitive documents at Mar-a-Lago before raid’

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/justice-department-makes-public-affidavit-led-fbi-raid-trumps-mar-lago-home
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Ok Paul Emery, maybe visual aides and reading from text ain’t your learning style. How about I put it in song and we can sing and learn together! Goodie.

Now sing along with me, Paul.

Trump the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Mar-a-logo
Little Pauly Punchy loved that rascal Trump
And brought him strings and sealing wax and other fancy stuff
Oh, Trump the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Maralargo
Trump the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land off the Florida Keyes
Together they would travel on a boat with billowed sail
Punchy kept a lookout perched on Trump’s gigantic tail
Noble kings and princes would bow whene'er they came
Pirate ships would lower their flags when Trump roared out his name
Oh, Trump the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Mar-a-Largo
Trump the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land off the Florida Keyes
A dragon lives forever, but not so little boys
Painted wings and giant's rings make way for other toys
One gray night it happened, Pauly Punchy came no more
And Trump that mighty dragon, he ceased his fearless roar


Gregory

153p

I get it Punch... you can feel it in your bones that finally, the walls are closing in and Trump will be perp-walked somewhere within camera range.

I sincerely doubt that.

Donny Jr.'s Bro Freddy

I know the white house as well anyone. I know the system. This did not happen without Joe Biden's explicit approval.
This is the most famous house on earth and Papa is the most famous man on earth, give me a break!
We have the tapes. No, not the peepee tapes. but Papa would be willing to trade tapes.
So what if Papa wanted to keep his love letters from Kim and Vlad. It is a crime to love someone?

Paul Emery

So Gregory you are unable to answer the question as to whether Trump should be investigated for illegally possessing top secret documents and evidence should be gathered.

psfish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 26 August 2022 at 03:21 PM


Too much time in the hot sun this afternoon?

psfish

Posted by: psul "Been is the hot, hot sun for too long this afternoon" Emery | 26 August 2022 at 03:21 PM


?????

Paul Emery

The RR's are out of bullets on Trump’s Mar-a-Lago situation. All they have left is silly personal attacks on me which means to me they are conceding. What a hoot-lots of fun. Keep it up...

fish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 26 August 2022 at 04:56 PM


You very rarely make sense anymore at all and have become prone to bold unsupported statements, asking questions here that no one could answer given the information available, claiming that we have “conceded” your point when no one has done anything of the sort, and then victory dancing based on nothing whatsoever.

It would be sad if it wasn’t so entertaining to watch. You claim George is your friend and he very well may be. But if he is your friend he should really be suggesting strongly that you seek some sort of professional help because Paul you really have issues.

Bill Tozer

One show include Techno Fog in the conversation such as these. Techno Fog is a vary liberal site.

The Trump Search Warrant Affidavit has been released
Here it is - with redactions

https://technofog.substack.com/p/the-trump-search-warrant-affidavit
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Paul @ 3:21 pm
Here we go ago again! Yahoo, ride ‘em cowboy. That means you, Rump Ranger. And you too Freddy Krueger, you naughty Colon Cowboy you.

“So Gregory you are UNABLE to answer the question as to whether Trump trump trump….”

Wrong take on Gregory, Punch. It is not a question of capability (able/unable), but more of question of desire (willingness) to play with you some more.

Gregory is perfectly capable of answering your queries, Psul, but he just do not seem to be willing. Maybe, like an artist, he is waiting for the mood to strike.

Gregory

"So Gregory you are unable to answer the question as to whether Trump should be investigated for illegally possessing top secret documents and evidence should be gathered."

So Punchy, you should not interpret my decision not to dance for your benefit as being anything other than that I don't want to play your pointless games.

You've bounced from New Hope to New Hope starting in 2015 through 2022. I really don't care about Trump or his troubles du jour, whether they're imaginary or not.

Don Bessee

Can the ponytail of ignorance provide proof for his 321? Doubt it and if he throws some talking point for lefties like NPR. LOL

;-)

Paul Emery

This was my 3:21 Don;

So Gregory you are unable to answer the question as to whether Trump should be investigated for illegally possessing top secret documents and evidence should be gathered.

Nothing that needs proof. I am noting that Gregory is unable to answer a simple question.

Gregory

I am perfectly able to answer a simple question like that, Paul. My answer is fuck you, and the horse you rode in on.

Don Bessee

So again, a failure to actually answer a question. ROFLOL

;-)

Gregory

That was my final answer, Don. Punchy ignored the previous answers.

Don Bessee

To clarify i was speaking to the ponytail of ignorance's 633

;-)

RT

Legal theory time.

‘Can Magistrate Judges Constitutionally Issue Search Warrants Against Trump (Or Anyone Else)?’

“The Mar-a-Lago search warrant is interesting not only because of the high office of the individual whose papers were seized but also because of the low office of the person who signed it. The warrant illustrates the long-standing constitutional anomaly of letting magistrate judges sign search warrants.

Leave aside how you feel about the former president. Leave aside what you think of January 6, 2021. Leave aside whether there was a good reason to issue the warrant. A more basic question is whether the Hon. Bruce Reinhart could constitutionally issue it.

Under the Constitution, a Search Warrant Must Be Signed by a Judge

The problem is that Reinhart is a so-called magistrate judge. Many commentators have focused on his personal history and political leanings, but much more significant is that he is not really a judge.

To be precise, he is not a judge of a court of the United States. The judicial power of the United States is vested in its courts. In the exercise of this power, judges of those courts can issue search warrants. But a magistrate judge is just an assistant to a court and its judges. Not being a judge of one of the courts of the United States, he cannot constitutionally exercise the judicial power of the United States. That means he cannot issue a search warrant.”

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/26/can-magistrate-judges-constitutionally-issue-search-warrants-against-trump-or-anyone-else/


fish

That was my final answer, Don. Punchy ignored the previous answers.


psul didn't even pose a question as such. As usual he wants an opinion and it's alway phrased in his patented "gotcha" form....which you think he would have abandoned by now because he never "gets" anybody.

This appears to be the only way he can argue.


Makes me wonder just how fucked up his childhood* was.


(* as I said earlier psul....you have a problem. You should speak to someone about it)

George Rebane

Going with the Left's 'our allegations are evidence' mantra, who has shown evidence that Trump possessed anything illegally at his residence? Isn't that what the DoJ and FBI are trying to lay on the former president?

Jose E  Koyote’s ACME anvil

The Democrats' evil is a professional entertainer inbred

Paul Emery

George

Is it not factual that they found Top Secret documents?

fish

Is it not factual that they found Top Secret documents?


Who told you that…..the compliant legacy media? The same media who regaled us endlessly about pee pee tapes and Russian collusion that all turned out to be false?

Get back to us after the trial fanboy.

Don Bessee

Not if they had been presidentially declassified oh great ponytail of ignorance @ 946 which is a well-established practice confirmed by the courts. Oh by the way it is the same clown car of rancid russian dressing fbi team.

You reek of rancid russian dressing, ewwwww.


;-)

Bill Tozer

The Mar-A-Lago Affidavit Really Does Read As If They Were Confiscating Russiagate Evidence.

https://raheemkassam.substack.com/p/the-mar-a-lago-affidavit-really-does?

“Which means this now looks like yet another extreme “CYA” effort on behalf of the DOJ, FBI, and Democratic Party apparatus.

Russiagate. It always comes back to Russiagate.”
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Quote:
“Remember when Demos tried to impeach Trump, TWICE, for what Biden actually did? Now they want to indict him of what Hillary Clinton actually did.”

Barry Pruett

January 6 didn’t work. On to the new manufactured trump crisis.

George Rebane

PaulE 946pm - that has been leaked. Who do you believe?

Paul Emery

I believe the Christian Science Monitor George, an unimpeachable source. They wrote this:

"According to an inventory list attached to the search warrant released Friday, the FBI removed three sets of secret documents from Mar-a-Lago, four sets of top-secret documents, and one set marked “TS/SCI documents,” an apparent reference to top-secret, sensitive compartmented information. "

Read the whole story here:

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2022/0812/Mar-a-Lago-warrant-unsealed.-What-we-know-and-what-s-next

Bill Tozer

Another wrinkle. Money quote:

“Brock noted the affidavit even acknowledged the president had the power to declassify and did not call the documents in dispute classified but rather documents with classified markings.”

‘Retired FBI boss disassembles Trump search warrant: Feds ‘going to regret this’

Retired Assistant Director Kevin Brock says FBI didn't exhaust other means or appear to have established probable cause for search.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/fbis-former-intel-chief-raid-trump-home-i-think-they-are-going

Gregory

“Brock noted the affidavit even acknowledged the president had the power to declassify and did not call the documents in dispute classified but rather documents with classified markings.”


Paul Emery blows donkeys.

Barry Pruett

Trump had documents in his possession from his time as president. Said documents are by definition declassified and his. Period. Full stop.

George Rebane

PaulE 803am - Are you aware that the whole declassification controversy is still not settled - one side claims everything that left the WH was declassified, the other side claims that nothing was declassified? Then there are people like you who consider the case closed - Trump surreptitiously and with sinister purpose took classified documents to Mar-a-Lago - and who want to talk only about what kind of criminal case must necessarily proceed from here.

Gregory

George, to me, it's more of a sense that any particular MAL document held up in court as evidence can be dismissed as having been declassified, and the Pauls in the world getting excited are just engaged in their mass masturbatory jubilation one more time.

Paul, when you're finished with that particular donkey, don't forget the horse you rode in on. They're waiting.

Bill Tozer

Gregory and Circle of Jerks.

Psul’s frustration is that he cannot seem to get his point across. That VARY RELEVANT point not discussed to Punchy’s satisfaction (besides the ‘no need to be stated again #Resist TDS to give his life pleasure) is that he seems concerned that if Trump can hold Top Secret docs, then anybody can obtain such national security documents via the FOIA process. Trump still had the codes to the Nuclear Football! Just think if China ever got hold of our national security assessment of them. Opps, too late. Just caught two state department or CIA employees doing exactly that…sold our country down the tubes.

If anyone is selling our country down the tubes it is this current administration. If anyone should not get his hands on the launch codes, it’s Joe Biden and his party of War. But, it digress. :)

Paul, I mentioned to you from the get-go that we are entering uncharted legal territory. Untested ground. Nixon was a whole different case.

As Gregory’s excellent transcripts of Bill Barr being interviewed by Bari Weiss revealed, Barr said about the Russiagate Hoax th left is always getting to far out ahead of the actual investigation process and the maturity of the investigation

Paul, you are free to disagree, but me thinks you are getting too far out ahead and it is in that not developed to maturity case/investigation process is where you are most vulnerable connecting the dots and following the bouncing ball. What if Trump declares Martial Law on the 4th of July in DC?

“George, what is your opinion on that Trump IS going to fire a Müller? He better not. It would be a big mistake. Here is Trump’s exact words…. So Scott, what you think about Trump firing Mueller? “

Ok, everybody, through on your (jailhouse) lawyer hats. Michael Cohen is going to testify that….”

Paul, I can see why you don’t ‘give a fuck’ what Biden says or Kamala Harris our VP says or what Hillary did. ‘You guys talking about Hillary? Boring.boring, boring, boring. Sad.

‘I believe the 17 intel agencies that said Trump sucks donkey dongs and the Christian Science Monitor. And Democracy Now!

Let the case evolve, then ask what folks are wondering.

What do I think about Trump and Top Secret Docs?

What I always think. It is not wise to remove one’s armor before the battle begins. Nor boast like those who remove their armor.
We are in the 3rd inning Punch and, no worries, the RAID and JAN 6 will continue on to a few days. after the mid-terms. You got your work cut out for you. Then it’s on to the next very very relevant delusion of confusion. More Chaos. More Fear. More secret tapes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y9NtHlJvbY

Paul Emery

George

Why is there no documentation of the files being declassified? Pretty simple thing. The fact is Trump claims he de-classsified the documents a year and a half ago ago and why is no written notice of what, when and where the files were when the alleged declassification took place. If you get any info on that topic post it so we will all know.

Gregory

Paul, have you finished topping off that donkey?

Gregory

"Domine, domine, domine. You're all declassified now."

-the President of the time

Biker Bill

“If you get any info on that topic post it so Royal We will all know.”
What do you mean we, paleface??

1) Paul, are you saying you cannot get info from your sources? Not reliable? Sketchy? That certainly does not speak well for your excellent sources, former News Director, or the lying Lamestream hysteria media you carry water for. Why need George?

2) Paul, you really believe George knows something that none of your Royal We’s know for sure.? Are you reaching out to Conservative Sources (besides the Wa Compost) for information you cannot find elsewhere? What, is your side silencing information again?

3) What, you didn’t like Trump’s Jan 19th memo or Radcliffe sending the Crossfire Hurricane File over to the Cabal to have them declassified for dissimulation? They (your trusted Corrupt FBI/DOJ top dogs) sure are dragging their feet on that one. Hey, it’s been over 19 months now still the proper government authorities got the request and it will take years to get them to cripple out a page here and there out of thousands.

Why pester George? What does Dr. Rebane’s secret decoder ring say? He has a hot line to The All Knowing Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence Source, of course.

But, but, but Punch, if George does not know or have the answer, who are you going to call next? Ghost Busters, the lame sequel?
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PS: I though you were a vegetarian. Sucking donkey dongs sound rather carnivoresque. Probably makes a decent jerky and it is not like eating fresh meat. How long do you dry them for? Inquiring minds would like to know.

What’s your recipe for horse nuts? Same as chestnuts? Conservative and Unwoke sources are of absolutely no use on that topic, but The Woke, groomers, and Lefty sources have volumes on such perv (and illegal) matters. What you think about a Green Libertarians rutting on donkeys and gobbling animal jizem? My sources are worthless. Thought you would know.

Don Bessee

Get thee to the fainting couch oh great ponytail of ignorance -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-announces-preliminary-intent-appoint-special-master-review-trump-records-seized-fbi

;-)

Paul Emery

Gregory

My 1:44 questions are pertinent and relevant and need to be answered. They cannot and won't be ignored. Once again here are my questions:

Why is there no documentation of the files being de-classified? Pretty simple thing. The fact is Trump claims he de-classified the documents a year and a half ago ago and there is no written notice of what, when and where the files were when the alleged declassification took place.

Paul Emery

Karl Rove agrees with me on classified documents possessed by Trump. These quotes came from Fox news

“Why he was holding on to these materials when he had no legal authority to do so under the Presidential Records Act is beyond me, “The Presidential Records Act is clear,” Rove said on Fox News. “A president does not have the right to leave the White House and pick and choose what documents he wants to take with him,” he continued. “He can ask for copies, but those are the property of the American people, and since 1978 no president has left with sort of picking and choosing their own documents.”

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3617375-karl-rove-beyond-me-why-trump-held-on-to-docs-when-he-had-no-legal-authority/



Gregory

"My 1:44 questions are pertinent and relevant and need to be answered."
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Your questions are idiotic and have been answered multiple times.

A president doesn't have to go through the process in place for non-presidents.

Back to blowing the donkeys for you, Punch.

Don Bessee

The point is -

https://www.foxnews.com/media/alina-habba-ignoring-fact-presidential-records-act-protects-president?dicbo=v2-84445a6ddda405902a50b3b6969c2da3

;-)

Bronco Bill Tozer

Punchy sez

“My 1:44 questions….need to be answered.”
Well, Paul, you act like you have the answers so why ask us? Why, why, why? Come on man, lay your cards face up on the table so we can all see and gain knowledge. That is assuming you have the holding the answer cards to your own questions.
Tell us what specifically ARE the answers to your own questions and we can all know instead of going through this silly guessing game. You getting warmer, warmer, colder, Cold!. warmer, warmer…..
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“Yet everyone is acting like that question has been answered.”

Excuse me for giving a damn, but what happened to the Trump raid story?
Two weeks ago, the FBI raid on Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home was the biggest story on earth and seemingly one of the most consequential American news events since 9/11. The search inspired a few hours of social media jubilation, followed by roughly a week of frenzied leaking as a parade of national security soothsayers unspooled sinister scenarios on TV, and then — nothing. The line went dead. By last week’s end, the cancellation of Brian Stelter on CNN was a top national headline in comparison.
With a caveat that the relative quiet could be upended by a court decision Thursday, could we pause to reflect on the oddness of this episode? Has a story this big ever receded to the back pages this quickly?
Once the FBI finished searching, everyone from Andrew Cuomo to the New Yorker to Mother Jones to George Will at the Washington Post pointed out the obvious, that the Justice Department needed to quickly produce an explanation, if not an indictment, to avoid the disaster of allowing the perception of a politicized raid to fester.
[…]
In sum: Joe Biden didn’t know the raid was coming, Merrick Garland blamed Trump for the raid becoming public at all and took three days to take responsibility for ordering it, and Trump’s crime has moved from mishandling “nuclear documents” to keeping “Sensitive Compartmented Information,” whose possession by Trump poses “exceptionally grave” risk to the United States.
Something about all this stinks. On one hand, we’re in the same place we’ve been a hundred times in the Trump era, waiting for the big reveal. We were here before Michael Cohen’s testimony, before the Mueller report, before the Ukraine whistleblower letter, the Barr memo, and countless other expected bombshells.
On the other hand, the evidentiary hype train has been turned off early this time. The deadline for more news out of Reinhart’s court about what’s inside the affidavit is this Thursday, when Garland is supposed to submit his proposed redactions, yet the story is getting more coverage on Fox (Gutfield! incredibly surged to the top of late-night comedy ratings after the raid) than in mainstream press, which appears to be tiptoeing back from the case much as administration officials did in the first week.
[…]
Unless Garland and the Biden administration give a clear idea of what exactly precipitated the Trump raid — whether it involved Trump funneling the names of spies to Putin, leaving launch codes out on a pizza box, whatever — Trump is going to continue to hammer this issue. Unless the man is literally in manacles before November 2024, this mess will remain an open wound for Democrats. Even if the raid wasn’t politically motivated, it will for sure continue to look politically motivated, if the Justice Department doesn’t come up with a better explanation than the six or seven leaked so far. Yet everyone is acting like that question has been answered.—some former liberal dude named Matt. Quote, unquote.


Paul Emery

Karl Rove answered my questions Bill. Did you read his quotes. No one is more Republican than Karl Rove.

Bill Tozer

Well, how about you come out and answer your ‘won’t be ignored’ questions in your own words if you have been sandbagging us this whole time, you sly o jab, jab, jabber you. Cool Hand Luke you are, my golly.

I do have to hand it to you on this one. Give kudos where kudos are due. Good job. Getting Karl Rove to agree with you was quite the hat trick. Not something you see everyday. Clap my hands together and give you a big shot out.

What does Liz Cheney say? This ain’t her Daddy’s Republican Party, for sure.

Bill Tozer

Paul

Question. Does Karl Rove ‘agree’ with you, or do you agree with Karl Rove? Or have the two become one? Those new Republicans have been calling him “canned ham head.” Silly kids these days. No respect.

Paul Emery

Either way we believe in the same thing. I completly agree with him when he says "

“Why he was holding on to these materials when he had no legal authority to do so under the Presidential Records Act is beyond me, “The Presidential Records Act is clear,” Rove said on Fox News. “A president does not have the right to leave the White House and pick and choose what documents he wants to take with him,”

Gregory

So cute to see punchy in bed with Rove at Fox. Blowing donkeys did you some good.

Bill Tozer

So, what are you saying, Punch? Well, the Records Act is clear and has no enforcement mechanism. So Paul, what are you saying? I don’t get it.

Opps. Correction to my 7:14 pm. Grievous Error.

The disrespectful do not call Karl Rove ‘canned ham head’. My error. The call call him Canned Ham or wider known as ‘Canned Ham with Glasses.’ Well, whether you agree with Rove or not, the disrespectful do have a point about Karl looking like a canned ham with glasses. Ok, he does. Hard to disagree with that…

Did you read his interview of what he thought of George W Bush’s paintings? And what he thought of Steven Colbert? Questions, questions. So many questions, so little time. Mid-terms approacheth. The Jan 6 Unselect Committee is desperate for the FBI to find some….any…..evidence of obstruction or intent to conspire to overthrow our democracy.

Anything. If ever there was a group of folks who needed to find an oasis pretty darn quick in a vast barren desert wasteland, it’s the Jan 6 committee.

Bottomline: I did not read your Ham Rove link, Paul. I liked Karl ‘The Brain’ Rove before you did. Did he bring along his white board. I like it when he does that.

Did you spend a few minutes with Beck, Paul? He has a copy of the memo, silly.

Don Bessee

Kind of hilarious to see the ponytail of ignorance sucking up to an arch neocon and yet amazingly failing to mention the usual gulf war II feigned outrage rifts. ROFLOL But the problem remains for them both -

https://www.oann.com/mar-a-lago-affidavit-acknowledges-trump-admin-officials-claim-that-president-trump-previously-declassified-seized-docs/

;-)

Bill Tozer

opps, another correction.

I liked Karl 'The Brain' Rove before Punchy did. Correction? Yes, i should have said I liked Karl 'Bush's Brain' Rove before Punchy did.

Please look deep into your hearts and minds for a wee bit of forgiveness for my errors. Heck, even Punchy as forgiven Dick 'The War Criminal' Cheney as well as Bush's Brain Rove. Maybe there is hope for us all afterall. Time heals all BDS. Might take many moons, years, decades even, but the cure has been discovered: More Trump will make you forget what ails ya

Barry Pruett

“A president does not have the right to leave the White House and pick and choose what documents he wants to take with him.” The PRA is not in the constitution and cannot bind the president. Rove’s argument is silly.

Bill Tozer

‘Five big unanswered legal questions in the Trump raid case’

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/five-big-unanswered-legal-questions-trump-raid-case


Paul Emery

From Fox news this morning

Republican Mike Turner told Fox News host Maria Bartiromo that former President Donald Trump could not have declassified the documents found at Mar-a-Lago without a paper trail to prove it.

Bartiromo asked Turner on her Sunday Fox News program whether the documednts were de-classified.

"Well, President Trump says they are, Kash Patel has said they are, this is going to be a fact-based issue. Certainly, there's going to have to be some substantiation of this."

"No one is questioning that President Trump had full authority to do that as president. The question is going to be, you know, how can they document that it occurred?"

That has been my question all along. If they are declassified then all agencies involved must be notified otherwise our intelligence resources would be at grave risk. Do you agree Barry?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkF058l3duo


Gregory

" If they are declassified then all agencies involved must be notified..."

Where in the Constitution is that gem?

Where is your donkey?

fish

Republican Mike Turner told Fox News host Maria Bartiromo that former President Donald Trump could not have declassified the documents found at Mar-a-Lago without a paper trail to prove it.


I wonder why it’s so difficult to simply cite the specific language in the legal code as it pertains to Presidential declassification rather than relying on some random Republican yahoo to go out and beat his gums on ….what do the progressives so giddily call it….Faux News?

Gregory

...but don't call the cut raw veggies "crudité".

Paul Emery

Gregory

My goodness...Don't you think if de-classified information revealed the sources of critical intelligence the CIA should be notified?.

Bill Tozer

Darn it all it. I forgot Punchy’s question. The only thing I remember is it is not only revenant to some discussion, it was also vary pert-nit to some unsettled legal point. What was that question? Darn it all, I knew it just last night. Drats.

Oh well, he probably will keep bring it up a lot during the lead up to 2024. Kinda weird that the same gang (except for Loretta Lynch doing the belly bump on the Tarmac) who went after Biden’s former political rival are the same folks going going after possibility Biden’s future political rival. What are the odds?

Barry Pruett

Gregory at 908a. Yup. Show me in the constitution where the president has to take directions from some paper pusher at the CIA. That’s the problem. These bureaucrats lost power with trump and now they are still after him. It is all bullshit.

Bill Tozer

Aha. Found a new one, or is that it? The question sounds different, but it’s today’s question.

“That has been my question all along. If they are declassified then all agencies involved must be notified otherwise our intelligence resources would be at grave risk. Do you agree Barry?”

Well, strike the word MUST and replace it with the would SHOULD. Should, as all things should be in a perfect world. Let’s try that again.

“That has been my question all along. If they are declassified then all agencies involved should be notified otherwise our intelligence resources would be at grave risk. Do you agree Barry?

What about a judge blocking the release of Grand Jury testimony? Was a big issue with Rachel M and Amy G once upon a Mueller Report delay.

Paul Emery

Pretty Basic stuff Barry and Bill. Should the President of the United States be required to inform the CIA if they declassify critical top secret information that may endanger their connections and employees and the security of this country?

Gregory

Punchy, skipping for the moment your random substitution of must for should, if a President was so sloppy as to reveal a critical source of intelligence that would be a matter for Congress. THAT's what impeachment is for.

Your poor donkey is waiting...

Paul Emery


Gregory, Barry, Bill

This is what our host believes should be the proper procedure for de-classifying documents. That sounds like a reasonable process. Do you agree with him?

". IMHO the president should only declassify through a known and deliberate process that involves multiple official parties being informed and offering recorded counsel on the matter."

George Rebane | 14 August 2022 at 03:17 PM

fish

” This is what our host believes should be the proper procedure for de-classifying documents. That sounds like a reasonable process. Do you agree with him?


Other than another example of this strange compulsion to constantly seek “consensus” what does it matter what anybody here thinks or agrees to? In this instance nothing. Either Trump is in legal jeopardy or he isn’t. No amount of wheedling on your part makes any difference. Maybe in the future but not now. I do appreciate your approach though….it’s relentless…first it’s “I only care about what the law says….”, then it’s “Our host thinks thins and he’s smart….(because in this instance he supports your argument) …why don’t you guys? You want to be smart don’t you….why don’t you agree with George?


Seek help….. you’re manic.

Donny Jr.'s Bro Freddy

When we were growing up and didn't want to do what Papa told us Papa would say, "Why? Because I said so!" That used to make Ivanka so mad. Why doesn't the FBI leave Papa alone? He told them the papers in the boxes were declassified because he said so!

Roberto Munchies Cross

Boring, absolutely boring Psul. You bore me to tears, you boar.

Gregory

So, the legal standard is based on what "should be"? You send guys with machine guns because someone violates what they "should do"?

Paul, fuck off and die.

George Rebane

Having handled and created classified documents – both technical and national security related – during much of my professional career, and having been educated (aka scared shitless) in the ramifications of violating the laws/regs related to the handling of such materials, I can unequivocally state that not communicating the declassification of documents to their classifying agency would create both an administrative and LE/judicial system mess. In such a case a person could be prosecuted and sentenced for violating some aspect of handling a purportedly classified document that had already been surreptitiously declassified. When I was on active duty and as a government contractor, the rule was that you always informed your recipients of classified materials when you received official word that a specific items was either to be destroyed, declassified, or more highly classified. In such a manner, the document-release network was always ‘flooded’ with the updated classification status.

Jose Koyotemeri’s  ACME anvil

George

Why do you think Trump never built the wall as he promised? Remember Mexico was going to pay for it. What happened to that promise?

Posted by: Peul Emery | 22 August 2022 at 07:34 PM

Gregory

George, the resultant mess would be trivial compared to the constitutional crises of having criminal penalties for Presidents and ex-Presidents for not doing what the Congress thought they "should" do.

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