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08 August 2022

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Paul Emery

So Trump may have cooked his own goose by signing a new law increasing penalties for possessing illegal classified documents. Check this out:

https://twitter.com/yarbro/status/1557136280785403904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1557136280785403904%7Ctwgr%5Ec5007339dfb17cfb00367ca802595ae0b2c1f8b2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Flaw-trump-signed-2018-may-punish-him-classified-info-2022-8

Bill Tozer

Joke of the day

“If you want me to consider answering your question you first must provide documentation.”

If bullfrogs could fly they would not bump their rump on a stump.

Who would want Paulsy Emery to consider any question. Best thing about Punch Emery ran down his mama’s…

Gregory

Punch-E 501p

The ultimate authority for classification is the President, Paul... I Thought You Knew That.

fish

Posted by: Donny Jr. | 11 August 2022 at 04:38 PM

Remember, NO FATSO WIVES!


Still......it is hard to argue with this!


Bill Tozer

Jig Wiggly still hunting for his rocks, I see. And here I thought that, besides Obama, only Jewish men had mother issues. Not only mother issues, he has daddy issues big time.

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Scott O

Gee Paul - are the "walls closing in"?
How many times have we heard this from you?
Ah - that's right - you have zero recollections of anything you've said in the past.
It works for Biden and other senile old farts.

Don Bessee

G @506 the ponytail of ignorance may well not have known that fact or its another dope on a rope. Ya some dangerous classified or formerly classified stuff there ROFLOL -


Classified material that was reportedly confiscated by the FBI during the raid Monday included a letter to Trump from former President Barack Obama, a letter from Kim Jong Un, a birthday dinner menu and a cocktail napkin.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/reported-trump-fbi-informant-irrelevant-source-close-former-president-says

;-)

fish

Posted by: Don Bessee | 11 August 2022 at 05:14 PM


Classified material that was reportedly confiscated by the FBI during the raid Monday included a letter to Trump from former President Barack Obama, a letter from Kim Jong Un, a birthday dinner menu and a cocktail napkin.


Vital documents crucial to American posterity Don!

Don Bessee

Perhaps its all a glittery object to distract from -

https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-75-dissatisfied-nations-direction

;-)

Bill Tozer

Attorney General Garland says he personally approved Trump search, will release warrant
Garland is the highest-ranking DOJ official to speak since the FBI's raid on Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/attorney-general-merrick-garland-speaks-after-mar-lago-raid

Told ya that Garland had to sign off on it. Plus their top lawyer. By the book. By the book. More will be slowly be revealed.
DOJ breaks is own rule book and does not remain mum on a active investigation in this particular case. Odd. Could it be political blowback? Could it be Wally (RIP)? Could it?

Well, it is more than apparent that the DOJ has reversed protocol, regulations, procedures, requirements, do’s and don’ts and best practices because of the FACT they are politicized.

The Dems NEVER seek Justice. They seek only convictions. Justice seeks only the truth.

We have crossed the Rubicon. Death of a Nation.

Paul Emery

Breaking news from the Conservative Washington Post. I'll keep you posted.


FBI searched Trump’s home to look for nuclear documents and other items, sources say

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/11/garland-trump-mar-a-lago/

Bill Tozer

That’s a pretty weak stab to put of a warrant by Garland. I am sure their are a few things of questionable validity on the warrant. Just got to have the warrant pass mustard. After the Fed’s got the documents in the storage shed that they were after, the rest is a fishing expedition….the search for a crime.

Garland says, ROFLMOA. And doing the leaking to as well. The CIA prefers the Wa Po, Hillary preferred CNN, and others in the top cable preferred the Times. It’s a new day.

Meanwhile, The FBI is investigation the Penn State House republicans (Fed’s, not the State LE) for saying only the State legislature can change election law and have seized a U.S. Congressman’s personal cell phone from his person and we’re not interested in his business/commerical cell phone in the least.

Garland sez…good one.

Don Bessee

All of this is a direct result of this -

‘I feel like socialists are taking over. They’re marching through the institutions. They’re … taking over education. It looks like they’ve taken over a lot of the corporations. It looks like they’ve taken over the military. And it’s just continuing.’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/whole-foods-ceo-says-socialists-are-taking-over-american-institutions/ar-AA10zhGW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=ae6b8576eaed46deb3c416a3c0a91693

;-)

psfish

Posted by: Paul Gullible | 11 August 2022 at 05:38 PM

FBI searched Trump’s home to look for nuclear documents and other items, sources say



Jesus these morons are bad at damage control. Nuclear secrets on the loose at Mara Lago and they wait an extra two months and lie on the application for a search warrant (The National Archives wouldn't be involved if nuclear secrets/documentation was what they were looking for). Enjoying greatly watching the internet pick apart Merrick Garlands Spintacular Bullshit Roadshow!


Color me unimpressed psul.

Paul Emery


Bill

Are you saying it's legal for Trump to have classified documents in his personal house after he is no longer President?

Bill Tozer

I should have stopped at ‘from the Conservative Washington Post’.

Yep, and Nick Sandmann is a racist, Trump Tower was NOT being spied on, The Greaser did this, Michael Cohen went to Prague to make the transition….that conservation Wa Compost.

Well, it’s the preferred place to leak if you want to get it out. Oh yeah, In college, the serial gang rapist Brent Kavanaugh tossed the ice from his glass at some idiot across the bar in the college watering hole. Hot on the trail. That Conservative Wa Post.

Whatever you say, Slappy, what ever you say. Ain’t worth even bitch slapping you, dear poor fellow.

Scott O

"FBI searched Trump’s home to look for nuclear documents..."

Sounds like a great reason to search anyone's home.
Since they had already handed over documents, why hadn't they asked for "nuke-lar documents" before?
I'm sure once back at the shack, they'll suddenly "find" launch codes and stuff.
Remember -they made sure all the cameras were off and no one could verify what was found at the house and what was 'found' later. The Fibbies are totally honest - just ask Clinesmith.

Don Bessee

Trump as president had the total discretion to de-classify anything he wanted period. The ponytail of ignorance just cannot wrap his mush head around that simple fact. OOOOOOH bugga bugga nuclear document, like the cocktail napkin!? LOL

;-)

Bill Tozer

Slappy happy.

Letter from Obama! That’s government property! Off to Devils Island. Wait, off to a leper colony. It will be a more painful slow death. Perfect.

Declassified docs or not, it’s all property of the US government. It’d not Hillary’s stuff, not Comey’s personal notes in his safe to give to the NYT via his attorney (who was granted attorney-client no peekie privilege, lol) it’s property of the US Government if it on the clock conducting government business. Heck, Biden’s Senate records are sealed and not even Uncle Sam can get them.

It did shock me that when Comey went over to meet Trump in the WH for dinner (with agents waiting in the car to whisk the FBI Director back to HQ typing down is notes as quick as his fingers could type (so they would be admitted in court (non-extraneous) and…..and…….
when he spun the story of a FBI Director sitting down with the President of the United States in the White House, Comey called it a personal private dinner so he could call the notes his personal property and the Left believed him. Beam me up Scottie!

It’s the Left’s hope that will destroy them. Always does. Which brings us to today. Enjoy your Biden dead cat bounce.

Don Bessee

HA HA -

https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-columnist-david-brooks-fears-fbi-raid-will-re-elect-donald-trump

;-)

Scott O

Don - David Brooks is a person who knows that leftys are stupid but he also wants desperately to get laid by a lefty babe. Actually, any babe - but he knows that no conservative babe will consider him, so he has to settle for a brain-dead lefty one.
Hence - the appearance of Brooks on left wing media while he claims to be conservative.
Anyone out there remember just why Brooks is considered a conservative?
Anyone?
That's another reason Brooks will never get any conservative woman in bed. He's way too scared and nervous.
What's he afraid of? Too many non-white men gainfully employed?

Bill Tozer

TDS and the Trump haters.

https://fb.watch/eR_I3Lv4pT/

Bill Tozer

Useful idiot on Tump’s provable criminal acts. Bizzy, bizzy, bizzy, will get back to you. :)

https://twitter.com/wlctv_ca/status/1557485039541071873?

Bill Tozer

My speculation and at this point is only speculation.

At the end of Trump’s term, President Trump declassified the file on the FBI-Obama Administration’s Russian Hoax and SPYGATE. Trump has that complete thick file.

While the Biden Administration’s DOJ and FBI has slow walked the release of those declassified docs for almost two years (including under Trump) it’s the smoking gun that could bring down the FBI, DOJ, NSA, CIA, media, etc…if they are capable of shame.

It is the FBI that wants those files with the goods on them , more than anything else. Trump has seen it, knows exactly what is in the file(s) and it is Trump who holds the smoking gun on the entire Russian Collusion Hoax and more importantly, Spygate. A former Administration spying on and planting false narratives on a political rival using a weaponized DOJ to do there dirty deeds. That is what the raid is all about. Pure speculation on my part. Better put, that was a component of the motivation to raid a former President’s residence. The other component is to find something that Trump planned an insurrection to set himself up to be Dictator For Life, lol
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American Stasi

re: current thread, National Archives, and the weaponization of our Justice Department. BTW, I am the one who said ‘weaponization’, not ‘politicalization’ of the Corrupt Cable

https://www.jewishworldreview.com/0822/hammer081222.php3

Donny Jr.

I`m so glad you are all coming to Daddy`s defense. Daddy only wanted those Top Secret nuclear documents so that he could make a perfect, non quid pro quo trade for those pesky Pee Pee Tapes that his good pal Putin has stored away for safety in Russia. It`s the perfect trade... Daddy gets to trade away something that has no interest to him and he gets something that he really wants for free! A perfect trade for Daddy. Now, if you`ll just send Daddy all your hard earned money...

Bill Tozer

‘FBI Director Calls Legit Criticism Of Corrupt FBI ‘Violence,’ But We Weren’t Born’Yesterday

Why is Christopher Wray more concerned about criticism than Americans’ complete distrust of his corrupt agency?

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/12/fbi-director-calls-legit-criticism-of-corrupt-fbi-violence-but-we-werent-born-yesterday/
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Somebody has daddy issues….someone very sick.

Bill Tozer

Holy Guano, Batman.

BREAKING: FBI Raid Warrant Demanded Seizure Of Literally Any Record Trump Ever Saw During 4-Year Presidential Term

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/12/breaking-fbi-raid-warrant-demanded-seizure-of-literally-any-record-trump-ever-saw-during-4-year-presidential-term/

Don Bessee

The flaw in the whole thing, he could declassify anything he wanted. It was all they could think of looking at their bench, creepy grampa joe, the kakkler, alfered e newman, aoc LOL -

Donald Trump: All Documents Seized by FBI Were ‘Declassified’ and ‘All They Had to Do Was Ask’

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/12/donald-trump-all-documents-seized-fbi-declassified-all-they-had-do-was-ask/

;-)

Paul Emery

There is no record Trump declassified the documents Don. If I'm wrong Don show me evidence to the contrary. He's in deep shit because some of the documents were top secret.

https://apnews.com/article/florida-donald-trump-mar-a-lago-merrick-garland-government-and-politics-f63c018b600e1539ff3660a896a132d0

psfish

Posted by: psul Emery | 12 August 2022 at 03:53 PM



Buck up little soldier, someday you’ll catch your Bad Orange Man.

Donny Jr.

Why would you believe anything my Daddy sez, Cousin Don? You know he has lied thousands of times during his brief visit to Washington. I know he lies all the time, especially when he sez he`s proud of me.

Don Bessee

Foolish is as foolish does @353 A president can declassify without exception so prove he didnt oh great ponytail of ignorance. LOL

;-)

Bill Tozer

Trump Raid Warrant, Receipts Make No Mention Of ‘Nuclear Weapons’

Politico hedged in its flagship newsletter, Playbook, on Friday morning, while blurbing the WaPo report. The outlet noted that anonymously sourced reports on the former president are often exaggerated or false. “There were few other nuke details in the piece, and we’ve seen enough Trump scandals in the last seven years to know that sometimes potentially explosive allegations from anonymous sources fail to detonate. But Trump himself was conspicuously quiet about the story,” Playbook.."

(Trump's silence is proof he has thermal nuclear war documents anskd is guilty!)

https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-raid-warrant-receipts-make-no-mention-of-nuclear-weapons

Donny Jr.

And to your 1:18 PM comment, Dunce Cap Billie... I certainly do have real bad Daddy issues. That`s plain for all to see to see...all you have to do is look at my abject failure of a Daddy to know why. Be a good sucker, er, patriot, and send my Daddy your money, OK? He needs it...

Paul Emery

Trump is no longer President Don. Thought you knew that. What record is there that he de-classified those documents while he was President? Let me know if you find anything.

Gregory

punchy 353p


Criminal prosecutions go the other way... the guvmint will have to prove Trump didn't declassify the documents in question, and apparently the Presidential Records Act has a carve out for former presidents and their documents.

The walls are probably not closing in. Sorry.

Paul Emery

Gregory. Don lets leave it up to the investigators. This is according to the Conservative National Review:

"Law enforcement is investigating former president Donald Trump for removal or destruction of records, obstruction of an investigation, and violating the Espionage Act, according to the search warrant for the FBI raid of Mar-a-Lago that took place on Monday."

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-removed-eleven-sets-of-classified-documents-during-mar-a-lago-search-report/

Paul Emery

Gregoory

Can you provide a link documentating the the apparent "carve out" you refer to? 5:00 post

Gregory

punch 514p

From your link:
"Trump issued a statement on Friday saying: “Number one, it was all declassified. Number two, they didn’t need to ‘seize’ anything. They could have had it anytime they wanted without playing politics and breaking into Mar-a-Lago. It was in secured storage, with an additional lock put on as per their request. They could have had it anytime they wanted — and that includes LONG ago. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ASK.”

It's unclear what Melania's undies had to do with the investigation.

fish

Posted by: Gregory | 12 August 2022 at 05:00 PM


Going to be interesting to watch this unfold. If they were classified there is a chain of custody and a custodian. Who is responsible for these items? National Archives has some classified materials but the interesting stuff rarely leaves the organization that generates them. I’d be interested to know who is showing missing items concerning top secret nuclear information in their repository.

Somebody else is probably in a lot more trouble than Trump!

Paul Emery

Gregory

Do you believe Trumps statements to be true? Sounds like a clumsy squirm to me.

Gregory

Punchy, what besides repeating three times "unclassified" does a President need to do to declare a document unclassified?

Paul Emery

When did he state that Gregory and what specific documents were unclassified? Did he say something like "I have a bunch of documents stashed away in my house. About 12 boxes worth. I declare all the material unclassified."? Is it on the public record. If it's unclassified than anyone has access to it.

Scott O

Paul 5:14 - "Don lets leave it up to the investigators."
Yeah - like the investigators of the Russia hoax or the "experts" that said that Hunter's laptop was phony.
This has all the hallmarks of just a lot more of the same. A total stitch-up.
They made sure no neutral party saw what they hauled away, so they can claim they found anything they want to fools like Paul.

Paul’s juices are flowing

“Bad news for the Dems... The feds are closing in on Trump and raided his crib. He's probably done as a candidate therefore the Dems won't be running against the biggest political loser in modern history who just keeps on losing,”

“Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most.”

Don Bessee

Note to the ponytail of ignorance, the supreme court said so and he does not have do anything but say it to declassify. Sucks to be you with your rancid russian dressing rotted brain. -

One of the members of Congress who commented after the newspaper’s revelations was Sen. James Risch, R-Idaho. According to CNN, he told reporters, "The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process.

The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan -- which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance -- addresses this line of authority.

"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."

The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."

Indeed, the controlling executive order has been rewritten by multiple presidents. The current version of the order was issued by President Barack Obama in 2009.

The national-security experts at the blog Lawfare wrote in the wake of the Post’s revelation that the "infamous comment" by President Richard Nixon -- that "when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" -- "is actually true about some things. Classified information is one of them. The nature of the system is that the president gets to disclose what he wants."

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/


HAHA ;-)

fish

“Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most.”


Nahh …the other “most important thing”. psul asks the doctor for a Viagra prescription. When he goes to get prescription filled he asks the pharmacist to cut the Viagra into quarters. Pharmacist says “that won’t help you have successful sexual relations”. psul says, “It’s OK I’m just tired of peeing on my shoes”.

Bill Tozer

‘NewsGuard Advisor Seems to Agree Trump Should Be Executed for Allegedly Having Nuke Docs’

“NBD just a former NSA & CIA Director (who also was among the dozens of ex-intel officials who signed the infamous October 2020 Hunter Biden laptop letter) out here suggesting that Trump should be executed,”

“The former CIA director has a history of spouting insanity. Hayden went on emotional rants on CNN in October 2020 against then-President Donald Trump. In 2018, Hayden compared the Trump administration’s zero-tolerance policy regarding illegal immigration to the Nazi concentration camp of Auschwitz”

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/free-speech/catherine-salgado/2022/08/12/newsguard-advisor-seems-agree-trump-should-be
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‘Morning Joe’ Hypocrites Accuse Right-Leaning Media of Whipping the Public ‘Into a Frenzy’

“To end her scene, Mika Brzezinski reached out to her “colleagues in this business” because “right-wing extremists and far-right websites are going to do what they are going to do, and they're not going to hear this.”

(We have heard plenty.)

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/margaret-buckley/2022/08/12/morning-joe-hypocrites-accuse-right-leaning-media-whipping

Bill Tozer

EXCERPT:

COMEY: “Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual transparency is in order.
Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before deciding whether to bring charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past. In looking back at our investigations into the mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts.”

https://news.grabien.com/story-comey-2016-despite-evidence-lawbreaking-no-reasonable-prosec

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 12 August 2022 at 07:28 PM


I’m not sure who menopause has hit harder…..Mika or her wife?

Don Bessee

So they seize a document that is available on the doj website???? -

Roger Stone grant of clemency seized from Mar-a-Lago. What to know about pardon document.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/roger-stone-grant-clemency-seized-215314071.html

;-)

Don Bessee

Emery? Emery? Emery? LOL

;-)

Bill Tozer

You know you fine gentleman and our sole lady Donnie Jezebel, that this all seems eerily familiar. It’s like we all have read the script before and have an accuracy intuitive idea what’s next, based on past performances. Like, watching a Hallmark Christmas Movie. There will be no surprises at the end.

The best canned story line series have the best of the best Bad Guys. The Super Villian.

1). So, in 2016 they came up with Trump and Russian are conspiring to steal the election from Hillary Clinton! Russia, Russia, Russia, Putin and Trump, Putin blackmailing Trump after they STEAL the election. That Putin is one bad hombre. Super duper villian. Russia! Excellent. Has a bit of Cold War spy stuff to punch those old fear buttons.

2) Now it is secret documents on building a NUCLEAR BOMB! NUCLEAR WEAPONS. NUCLEAR INFORMATION. Nuclear this, nuclear that, FBI looking for TOP SECRET NUCLEAR WEAPONS INFORMATION in Melania’s undies.
Nuclear bumps are an excellent villian. Scares the bojeezes out of people.

Oh, the drama, the drama.

BTW, Trump said today that they left Melania’s wardrobe closet ‘a mess’. He was none too happy about it. In a normal FBI raid, the mantra of the agents is, “In and out. In and out.” Get in and out in 3 hours is the goal. Sure, it may go longer, but that’s not the goal. They spent nine hours at Mar-a-logo….in Melania’s underwear drawer, examining and photographing and taking specimens. 9 hours.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Wonder what the penalty for that is?

https://twitter.com/GenMhayden/status/1557899501926596609?

Bill Tozer

Shameless appeal to us Righties. Shameless. Call that appealing to our better angels? Wrong shoulder.

We have been lectured. They are trying to reason with us. Just denounce Trump and we will forget the whole thing. Rightttt. And no more showing up at school boards either.

MSNBC Guest Calls GOP Behavior 'Treasonous,' Forgets to Call Out Liberal Violence

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/margaret-buckley/2022/08/12/msnbc-guest-calls-gop-behavior-treasonous-forgets-call-out

I ❤️ NY Times Editorial Board Members

Bill Tozer

'Sweet Jesus': Morning Joe reacts to bombshell claim that Trump allegedly stashed nuclear secrets at Mar-a-Lago
https://www.rawstory.com/mar-a-lago-nuclear-secrets/

Trump issues unsigned statement offering yet another excuse for possession of classified info
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2657857598/

GOP lawmakers struggle to contain the fallout from Mar-a-Lago nukes revelations
https://www.rawstory.com/republican-mar-a-lago-nuclear/

Trump's history of playing loose with intelligence
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-s-history-of-playing-loose-with-intelligence/

Trump repeats three debunked defenses after search warrant revealed
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-legal-defenses-debunked/
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Not all bad news. Can you say Federal overreach into how state legislators conduct their affairs and write the laws governing elections? Can you say ‘stay in your lane’? Good.

“They may have information we are interested in.” Translation: We need a damn conviction!

‘Feds drop subpoenas on multiple GOP offices inside Pennsylvania Capitol: Report’
https://www.rawstory.com/scott-perry-doug-mastriano/

Bill Tozer

Ah, common sense. A priceless commodity.

THE LATEST ON THE MAR-A-LAGO RAID

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/08/the-latest-on-the-mar-a-lago-raid.php

Paul Emery


Trumps latest lame excuse. He's done:

"As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. American presidents are no different," said the statement from Trump's office on Friday night read out on Fox News.

Trump further claimed that he had a "standing order" to declassify documents "the moment" they left the Oval Office.

"President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day, often took documents, including classified documents, from the Oval Office to the residence. He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them," the statement said.

video link:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1558261235883311106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1558261235883311106%7Ctwgr%5E2aeb6d759eb687fe5f8ba61a320cbdcb3aa215e9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Ftrump-claims-standing-order-automatically-declassify-docs-2022-8

Bill Tozer

This is getting boring.

‘New twist in FBI raid: Trump had 'standing order' to declassify documents taken to residence’
Former president's office describe previously undeclared process that led to sensitive documents landing in Mar-O-Lago.

“The president's detractors in Congress, the DOJ, and the intelligence community are likely to contest the president's arguments. But officials familiar with national security law said courts generally have held the president's power to declassify is far-reaching and that the process for how that happens can be more happenstance, something the Bush and Obama executive orders from 2003 and 2009 made clear.

Obama's executive order no. 13526, issued in 2009, laid out the stringent process all federal officials and agencies needed to follow for declassification, but explicitly exempted the sitting president and vice president from having to follow those procedures.

"Information originated by the incumbent President or the incumbent Vice President; the incumbent President’s White House Staff or the incumbent Vice President’s Staff; committees, commissions, or boards appointed by the incumbent President; or other entities within the Executive Office of the President that solely advise and assist the incumbent President is exempted from the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section," the
Obama order stated.

Officials said it is likely the FBI will seek to find any officials or witnesses who knew or can confirm there was a "standing order" as described by the Trump statement. But in the end, officials said the president's declassification powers were sweeping and likely would be viewed as such by the courts.”

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/breaking-trump-describes-process-how-he-declassified-documents

Paul Emery

So there would be no problem with Trump declassifying nuclear procedure orders by the act of taking them home. So from that point those top secret orders would be de-classified. How do you interpret that situation Bill?

Don Bessee

Do you have a link that proves nuke documents were in fact retrieved? No, didn't think so. Either way it is the exclusive executive purview of the president to declassify anything.

Wrong again eh oh great ponytail of ignorance? Commence moving the goal post ad nauseum. ROFLOL

;-)

Paul Emery

Don

No proof yet but if he took home nuke documents would they then be de-classified as would any classified information as he described the process?

psfish

No proof yet…..



But….”He's done”.


I look forward to hearing you beat your gums about this for the next 18 months just like every other time you told us “ He's done”.

You would think out of sheer embarrassment you’d dial it back a notch.

Don Bessee

According to the scotus and 0's 2009 exec order the answer would be yes and your fevered rantings wishing he will banned from running again notwithstanding, but he cannot by definition be charged with any document issue. Got it.

;-)

Paul Emery

Here's some incite into the availability and distribution of de-classified documents which would include all the so called by Trump de-classified" documents:


U.S. Declassified Documents Online External

Finding Declassified Documents Online/ Subscription Databases

The subscription resources marked with a padlock are available to researchers on-site at the Library of Congress. If you are unable to visit the Library, you may be able to access these resources through your local public or academic library.


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Provides full-text access to over 500,000 pages of previously classified government documents. Covering major post-World War II era international events from the Cold War to the Vietnam War and beyond, this source enables users to locate a selection of US government documents from the Central Intelligence Agency, the State Department, the Department of Defense, the National Security Council, the White House, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, as well as many other government agencies. The documents range in size and scope from telegrams, correspondence, and unevaluated field reports, to lengthy background studies and detailed minutes of cabinet-level meetings.
Coverage: 1950 to present

Gregory

The walls are closing in again.
And again.
And again.
And again.
And again.
And again.
And again.
...

psfish

Posted by: psulEmery | 13 August 2022 at 02:44 PM


Here's some incite ….


“incite”…..really?

Paul Emery

So Gregory do you believe the public including myself, should have access to the documents taken from Trumps house since they have according to Trump been de-classified?

Don Bessee

Blah blah blah, just cannot admit you are wrong @318 LOL

;-)

psfish

Posted by: Psul Emery | 13 August 2022 at 03:18 PM

The cocktail napkin they seized......sure psul......take all the time time you need with it!

Paul Emery

Don, fish
Amazing how you avoid a simple question in support of your guy Trump. That's another reason he is a loser. His supporters don't even support him.

Ansqwers like yours make readers laugh

fish

“ An inventory of the material taken from Mr. Trump’s home that was released on Friday showed that F.B.I. agents had seized 11 sets of documents during the search with some type of confidential or secret marking on them, including some marked as “classified/TS/SCI” — shorthand for “top secret/sensitive compartmented information.” Information categorized in that fashion is meant to be viewed only in a secure government facility.”


So whose repository is missing “classified/TS/SCI that can only be viewed in a SCIF? Who is the custodian and who authorized the release of the documents, and into whose custody?

psfish

Posted by: psul Emery | 13 August 2022 at 03:48 PM


Don’t you have something to do? Maybe go work the mixer at a junior bagpipe competition?

Bill Tozer

An interesting fact has come to bear, making me do a complete reversal of what I once stated.

The first book I bought concerning Hillary E-mailgate was by Greg Garrett. Boy, I had no idea what a ‘just the fact legal mind’ he had. Page after page citing the Espionage laws and the laws covering the National Archives, taking documents outside approved settings, government property, who can look at docs, who you are not allowed to share them with,, etc. I only got 1/3 of the book read and it was clear citing Federal Law that Hillary indeed violated not just one section of Federal law, but scores of them, scores of times.

Learned a lot. For one tiny example, when Hillary had her “lawyer” Cheryl Mills and others go through her records of her off-site private bathroom closet server to sort out the 30,000 “Chelsea wedding and yoga emails” subpoenaed by Congress, it is against the law for Hillary, knowing or unknowingly to let Cheryl simply read those e-Mails to find out which is property of the government and which are not.
Why? Because Cheryl Mills came over from the Clinton Foundation, became Hillary’s lawyer, but did not have the classified status to read classified information. Thus, ALLOWING a non-classified status person to read classified documents/communications is a violation of the Fed Statue. Hillary was in violation, not “lawyers” and friends, because Hillary allowed someone who was not authorized to read classified material. She was facing a minimum of fifty years in prison if the only convicted her on a handful of violations.

Once you get a Espionage Act violation/conviction on your record, you are ineligible to hold Federal Office ever again.

Now, I do not see it that way no more. The COTUS lays out the requirements for running for POTUS. You have to be 35 years old, a natural born citizen, and that is about it. Period. Congress (or the Feds) cannot come along and add to or subtract the requirements as laid out specifically in the Constitution.

Just because Congress passes a Federal Statute saying one is not eligible to hold federal office because of additions to the requirement to run for President, does not make it constitutional. In fact, such a law is unconstitutional.

The courts through the years have made it clear that the Constitution text cannot be altered by laws passed, regs, Executive Orders, what have you.

This, I have changed my tune about Hillary, if convicted, could never be President of the USA.

Folks, it’s only a matter of holding fast to our Constitution, not poltics or biases, that is my bottomline.

psfish

Posted by: psul Emery | 13 August 2022 at 03:48 PM


Ansqwers like yours make readers laugh


I’m completely sanguine (go ahead Mr. “incite” look it up if you need to) with the notion that my ansqwers make readers laugh!

Most of the time that’s what I’m going for.

Anything that demonstrates the utter absurdity of progressives in general and a senile dimwit like you in particular is just fine with me.

Bill Tozer

For fish, wherever he may be.

https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/08/image-156.png?

For Gregory

https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/08/218988777_10222862169441057_7624015872014599769_n.jpg?

For Scott:

https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/08/IMG_2813.png?

And for the sake of staying on topic:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/08/the-week-in-pictures-great-raid-edition.php

For Psul because I want to give you a horrifying case of the heebie-jeebies.

https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/08/298153834_608421417520781_1792899570961021128_n.jpg?


Bill Tozer

Opps. Maga Capps. This one is for Gregory.

https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/08/298337101_5143129665813315_5459550708105042750_n.jpg?

Scott O

Paul "His supporters don't even support him."

And so why would they be called 'supporters'?

"Ansqwers like yours make readers laugh"

Statements, too.

Bill Tozer

For The Estonian Fox. The only Democrat I would have voted for in 2020 if given no other choices but D.

Tulsi Gabbard Blasts FBI Raid on Mar-a-Lago, Says It ‘Changed the Country That We Grew Up In’
“Attorney General Merrick Garland has already issued a stark warning to anyone who dares to disagree with these tactics that are all hallmarks of a dictatorship,” Gabbard said.

“So, you are not allowed to disagree with the FBI. That is the new message. The security state will label you an extremist for daring to challenge or disagree with the regime’s weaponization of law enforcement,” she added.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-blasts-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago-says-it-changed-the-country-that-we-grew-up-in/?

To put icing on the cake, Tulsi was the fill in for Tucker Friday night. Both Tulsi and the Crystal Lady Dem POTUS candidate Marianne Williamson, have sought out any outlet that will give them a fair shake and let them speak. So, with very limited options, the go on Fox to get their message heard…by Democrats, lol.

‘Marianne Williamson caught on a hot mic saying 'conservatives are nicer' to her than the left’

“ In an audio recording released from an interview last week, Williamson sounded off on the hostility she has faced from the political left.

“What does it say that Fox News is nicer to me than the lefties are? What does it say that the conservatives are nicer to me?… It’s such a bizarre world," Williamson said. "You know, I'm such a lefty. I mean, I'm a serious lefty, but they're so... I didn’t think the left was as mean as the right, they are.””

https://www.foxnews.com/media/marianne-williamson-caught-on-a-hot-mic-saying-conservatives-are-nicer-to-her-than-the-left

By I digress. Look how they treated Howard Shultz! Would not even let him speak on panels without drowning him out on panels. Poor dude, got carpet bombed with F Bombs. But I digress again.

The Lefties are a vile dirty rotten to the core bunch.


Bill Tozer

Andrew C McCarthy behind the paywall:

“This is about as close to a general warrant as it gets. There are no limitations, practically speaking, on what they could take. Yes, there is a focus on classified items, but it’s only a slice of the seizure authority.

Given the breadth of the warrant and the timing in connection with other investigative events (the Eastman and Clark searches, the grand jury subpoenas to Pence’s aides and the White House counsel lawyers, and the Rep. Scott Perry search warrant the day after Mar-a-Lago), it seems obvious that this is about Jan. 6 more than anything else.

I’m not saying they ‘re not interested in the classified information — I got some backlash for earlier this week for using the word “pretextual” as if I were saying the warrant was fraudulent or that they didn’t really believe classified intelligence was at issue. All I mean, very simply, is that their closet agenda (making a Jan. 6 case on Trump for conspiracy to defraud the U.S. and to obstruct Congress) is a higher priority for them than the ostensible purposes of the search (to reclaim classified information and, apparently, for amending the Presidential Records Act by executive creativity, so that it is now a criminal statute — unlike the statute that Congress actually enacted).

You are right that it is not clear what the proof is that Trump declassified the documents while he was president. But that’s a defense and the defense is often not clear at this stage of a criminal investigation (I doubt they are going to bring any classified information charges, so this may all be academic). The question raised by your observation is the interesting one, though: What does a president (as opposed to a subordinate official or an executive agency) have to do to declassify a document?

We’ve never litigated that before, and I think it pits the originalist understanding of the Constitution (all power vested in one official, the POTUS, who is bound only by the constitutional limits on his authority and does not have to comply with the executive branch directives he issues to subordinates) against the progressive vision of the Constitution (administrative agencies, including the law-enforcement and intelligence apparatus, which, though technically located in the executive branch, are controlled by regulations and protocols that make them largely independent of the president — who is expected to comply with those regulations when he operates in the relevant area … and therefore would be expected to comply with Executive Orders and regulations that prescribe declassification procedures).

I am in the originalist camp, so I don’t think Trump would have to do much to declassify, but (a) I’m not sure what “much” means (other than that its a question of fact, not law, taking in the totality of the circumstances), (b) I’m not at all sure that the Supreme Court would agree with me, and (c) as with the former Independent Counsel statute, whose passing we do not mourn, I doubt Democrats are going to like living in the world they’re creating once it’s biting them rather than Trump.”

May be a bit too complicated for those who live in a ‘if-then’ black and white world. You know of whom I speak. Entertain us, Court Jester. You be a professional entertainer for sure.

Don Bessee

Makes sense -

https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2022/08/13/republican-ny-congressional-candidate-carl-paladino-mar-a-lago-raid-susan-rice-likely-behind-gestapo-tactics/

;-)

Scott O

Bill - it is a fact that the FBI lied to the FISA judges and Clinesmith altered an email (180 degrees) and the FBI sat silent while "intelligence experts" poo-pooed Hunter's laptop all the while the FBI had it and knew it was legit.
The FBI has nothing to feel but shame about what they do. How many agents did they send to "investigate" a rope pull on a garage door?
We had a young boy disappear near here a year ago and the FBI reluctantly sent a single agent to poke around for awhile and slink off. No doubt he had some angry parents from the PTA to harass.
All the agents that work for the FBI know all of this and yet I haven't heard of a single one that has resigned.
Scum - everyone of them.
You don't get a pass to claim "Vee vere merely following orders".

Scott O

Oh yeah - this is another story I've been following. This is just one lawyer's comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy5A8VIWmxg

They lie - it's what they do.

Don Bessee

Now we may be seeing an alterior motive -

FBI seizes privileged Trump records during raid; DOJ opposes request for independent review: sources
Some records seized at Trump's Mar-a-Lago home were covered by attorney-client privilege, according to sources

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-seizes-privileged-trump-records-during-raid-doj-opposes-request-independent-review-sources

;-)

Bill Tozer

Techno Fog has been on the stick for awhile now.

NOTES ON THE TRUMP WARRANT

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/08/notes-on-the-trump-warrant.php

Michael Kesti

Don Bessee | 13 August 2022 at 08:21 PM

“alterior”…..really?

Consider sticking with sophomoric name calling.

Bill Tozer

Why now, a possibility.

The search warrant was issued Friday, yet the raid on Mar-a-Lago took place on Monday. Two months prior in June, the FBI and members of the Justice Department looked through the boxes of material in Trump storage locker. If nuclear secrets were there in June, why did they wait until August to seize the boxes? Apparently the DOJ and FBI saw no urgency about the docs being held in an unsafe manner or leaving the Palm Beach residence.

Why, why, why now? The DOJ’s own guidelines and the ‘rule book’ look down on conducting such a operation within 90 days of an election. Don’t want to be seen as political maneuvering and it is (was once) important to the Justice Department to be seen as non-biased, non political, and motives as pure as the wind driven snow.

The clock is ticking. The raid was carried out just before the 90 days before an election timeframe kicked in.

For Garland and Wrey to keep mum on an investigation is the way it should be in the true interest of Justice, but call me skeptical after watching Garland and Wrey babbling like they had diarrhea of the mouth concerning the Jan. 6 investigation.

Garland gave his 3 minute 23 second statement about staying mum, defending the integrity of the FBI and then immediately had his Department leak to the Wa Compost stuff about nuclear weapon information.

Beam me up, Scottie.

Bill Tozer

Connect the dots. :)

MSNBC's Tiffany Cross: 'Traitor' Trump 'Trafficking' Nuke Secrets To Putin?

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mark-finkelstein/2022/08/14/msnbcs-tiffany-cross-traitor-trump-trafficking-nuke-secrets

Second verse same as the first.

Paul Emery

There is a very basic question that the RR's obviously avoiding. That question is that if all the documents that Trump had and has in his possession that were once classified and now unclassified does that mean they are available to the press journalists and everyday people under the FOIA?

Paul Emery

George

Can you take a crack at that question?

Bill Tozer

Gorgeous day it is this fine Sunday morn. Truly, a wonderful morn to continue my 168 foot project. After all this time, I am approaching the half way point…well almost.

To Paul: before you come running over hear with the thick Federal Statue books in hand, let’s pause for a little levity. Oh, the topic is deadly serious and might shed a wee bit of light on my view of things, but neither one of us voted for Hillary in 2016….unless you did so in the primary.

Be it far from me to stand on a soapbox or kitchen chair and chant as loud as I can, “Lock Her Up, Lock her up. Insert smiley face here_________.

(psfish or is that fsul?). Let’s enjoy our moment of unity. Get your dancing shoes on and Paul can run the sound machine. All together now, even you Michael K.

“Our moral betters have instructed us that to point out double standards of liberalism when it comes to Donald Trump is “whataboutism,” and therefore somehow illegitimate. Whatever. How dare anyone suggest that anything was amiss in the government’s treatment of Hillary Clinton’s private email server and willful destruction of documents and devices.

At least we can have some fun with this. My newest hero on Twitter is someone called Socialist Mop, who offers up this genius piece of work from way back in 2016:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/08/security-and-double-standards.php

I feel it. In with the good, out with the bad. Yes.

A one and a two, hit it boys.


Paul Emery

So no comment is Bills answer to my very relevant 10:55 question.

Bill Tozer

Oh Punchy. I noticed your very very relevant question to George @ 1056 only after I finished typing (one finger slow peck) and posting my good morning greetings. So, it’s all about you, eh? My silence is violence like you have never seen before, lol. Sorry you did not like my VERY relevant non-reply to a question I was unaware of at the time, not.

Talk about assigning nefarious motives to the most benign and rudimentary things. Paul Emery, you are special! What other conspiracies you have up your sleeve this fine morning? That you were not the one getting a piece of ewe at the Fair petting zoo? Whatever. What difference does it matter anyway.

What you and your lovely braided armpit hair dope smoking draft dodging baby killer friends you hang with miss is that the warrant means nothing. The list of items taken means nothing. What, a dozen boxes of documents and a letter from Obama?

What we all miss, including you and me is that without releasing the sworn affidavits showing probable cause, everything else is a nothingburger. Good luck getting those probable cause records unsealed. Like, never. So you can speculate to your heart’s content because you know full well that until the docs showing probable cause for the warrant, nobody can dispute you as we (you included) can neither confirm or deny what evidence of probable cause exists. Leakers, especially anonymous leakers, as you have learned (hopefully) the hard way that anonymous leakers from the Wa Compost do not have a good track record.

What difference does it matter at this point?

Bill Tozer

Let the record show after working outside on the Great Project, coming in and cooking some grub, and finally sitting down again to type my comment (which takes awhile being a slow typer and being interrupted with phone calls with Sunday greetings from real women who have no doubt in their minds they are real cisgender women, I finally finished my comment @ 11:03 am.

I have been wronged and falsely accused by a narcissistic Green Libertarian what burns squash on purpose. Mercy. What a difference 8 minutes make for those who have TDS. Kinda annoying.

“So, no comment is Bills answer to my VERY RELEVANT 10:55 question”

Well, Paul, looking at the timeline, I did post a comment after your VERY RELEVANT 10:55 am, albeit it was not in response to your question I was unaware of at the time, but is was a comment. You may not like my comment, but it was not ‘no comment’ as your lying lips once again confirms.

Maybe you should just go back to bed and start the morning over.

I sincerely hope that Dr. Rebane is gone somewhere and out of service for the next 6 hours. That will be your just desserts. Love ya. Let’s do lunch, you big adorable galoot you. My teddy bear who is stuffed already.

https://twitter.com/socialistmop/status/1558244773173104642?

Bill Tozer

A booger man would apologize, Punchy Emery and his Lost Planet Airheads.

Waiting…waiting…waiting, not. :). Love you Manbun.

psfish

Posted by: psul Emery | 14 August 2022 at 10:55 AM


Not avoiding it at all psul. Still waiting, as I mentioned in an earlier post to watch things develop. Now as to the matter as to whether the average guy on the street should be able to take a gander at these documents….? Let me put it this way….I would feel every bit as comfortable letting you look at these as I would giving a Howler Monkey a collection of Shakespeare’s plays or a college physics text. It’s perfectly acceptable because neither you nor the monkey will have any “incite” as to what he’s looking at.

Paul Emery

ano one cares what makes you feel comfortable or not fishmouth it's what the law allows. Seems to me that Trump statement that all that material is now unclassified opens it up to everyone under the regs of the FOIA.

Paul Emery


sp No one cares

Michael Kesti

Paul Emery | 14 August 2022 at 02:39 PM

So, file a FOIA request and see what happens. Do let us know!

psfish

Posted by: psul “ano” Emery | 14 August 2022 at 02:39 PM


Well somebody who shall remain nameless was whining up thread because people weren’t paying attention to him again.


…sad….so needy!

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