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08 August 2022

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Jose Koyote's  Acme Monkey

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psfish

Posted by: psul “Sp” Emery | 14 August 2022 at 02:39 PM


Hey psul….if all you care about is “what the law allows” why are you here, bleating for everyone’s opinion?

George Rebane

Re declassifying documents obviously critical to national security. I can’t imagine a president knowingly doing that. But if s/he did, then I suppose one of several agencies would intercede, draw attention to the act, and get Congress involved in a very rapid impeachment process while returning the documents into a secure chain of custody. That’s just my opinion since nothing like this has ever happened before. IMHO the president should only declassify through a known and deliberate process that involves multiple official parties being informed and offering recorded counsel on the matter. What Trump actually did to which documents is yet TBD.

Gregory

" That question is that if all the documents that Trump had and has in his possession that were once classified and now unclassified does that mean they are available to the press journalists and everyday people under the FOIA?"

The answer to that Q is "No".

Gregory

GR 317p

The President's hands are not tied in this matter. If a President says a copy of something isn't classified, it isn't classified.

He/she has to be trusted. Sorry Paul.

Bill Tozer

At this point in time, the FBI inventory says 12 boxes or so of docs, files, folders and a letter from Obama. That tells us nothing. Zero, nada, zilch, a big round goose egg.

Thus, we know Jack Squat and Squat Diddley at this time in space and even less in this space in time. We do not know which docs were or were not classified. We do not know their contents or their numbers.
But, it’s so fun to speculate. Best one I read is Trump is loading up his boat with Nuclear Weapons Information and will be sailing out of Palm Beach into the ocean heading to Cuba undetected.

The answer to the VERY RELEVANT question is we are in uncharted waters as far a litigation goes. The vast unknown. The Supremes have never heard such a case.

What if…. So George, if If if Trump…..if Trump puts bread in the toaster and out comes toast, where did Trump hide the bread?

Paul Emery

George writes:

"IMHO the president should only declassify through a known and deliberate process that involves multiple official parties being informed and offering recorded counsel on the matter. What Trump actually did to which documents is yet TBD."

As has been well documented Trump says he de classifies documents when he takes them home. This is his offical statement:

“As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. American presidents are no different,” the statement read. “President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day, often took documents, including classified documents, to the residence. He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them.”

This is Trumps process George process George? Is it legitimate?

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1558261235883311106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1558261235883311106%7Ctwgr%5Ef3e8634aa378f0c8057f451060305991e733487f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffpost.com%2Fentry%2Fdonald-trump-standing-order-classified-docs_n_62f7b2eae4b0288b61a4f17a

Don Bessee

So how is it Trump talking in this? Still having that comprehension issue. LOL -

“President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day, often took documents, including classified documents, to the residence. He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them.”

;-)

Bill Tozer

In news surrounding perhaps the biggest J Edger scandal in our lifetimes, they still can’t get their message out.

https://twitter.com/BrentHBaker/status/1558835658776580097?
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I kept hoping that Trump still has all the case files on all the agencies and all the names and e-mails and records of the whole kit and caboodle of those involved in the silent coup.
He had them alright. He has the goods on all the liars and they panicked bigly.

But, the FBI sent 30 armed agents, searched the joint, found what they needed (for National Security reason, of course) to reclaim and reclassify and got the files back.
Ah, you win some, you lose some. Pure speculation on my part.

I said many times during the appointment of Special Counsel Bob Mueller that Mueller’s job was to hide and bury the evidence for good this time so no one could ever find it, not to seek and present evidence….or Justice.

fish

HUGE SURPRISE....HUGE DEAL......OMG!!!


Top lawmakers seek intelligence assessment of documents from Mar-a-Lago


The only guy on the planet who is a bigger liar/wrong more often than psul is looking for attention again...


Pretty sure this a tell that absolutely nothing is going to come of the raid.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-lawmakers-seek-intelligence-assessment-of-documents-from-mar-a-lago/ar-AA10CXBZ

psfish

Posted by: psul "likes to pretend he's a lawyer" Emery | 14 August 2022 at 06:38 PM


This is Trumps process George process George? Is it legitimate?


I though we only cared what was legal psul? No interest in opinions.

Bill Tozer

So fellas…..lest we forget

The FBI raided Ghislaine Maxwell’s safe and took all the contents thereof, thus ending the speculation of Ms. Maxwell’s little black book and the contents thereof as well. Brought down a prince from Merry o’England. Well, no one is sweating bullets over Ms. Maxwell’s list of perverts anymore…..er….strike that…..no one who does not have friends in high place in the Surveillance Security State has to sweat bullets no more. It’s all sitting in a file somewhere collecting dust…waiting for someone to be foolish enough to take on the Security Apparatus which has six ways to Sunday to enact revenge on those who dare disrespect them.

Paul Emery

I'm interested in opinions from those I have respect for fish mouth. You won't even use your real name which means to me you are embarrassed to write here and don't want your friends or family to read your wacky ideas.

Bill Tozer

Is it legitimate, is it ethical, is it moral? While waiting for more Breaking News!, let’s take a stroll down memory lane, shall we?

“How dare Trump use stolen e-mails from the DNC and the Clinton Campaign released by Wikileaks for Trumpf’s own benefit and POLITICAL PURPOSES! It’s not ethical, it’s not moral! George, Gregory, how would you like it if someone illegally broke into your house and posted your personal e-mails on line!!” Talk to the hand.
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This has aged well. Fine wine.

‘Ron Paul in 1998: FBI Was Designed To Spy On Americans Who Disagreed With Foreign Policy’

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/08/09/ron_paul_in_1998_fbi_was_designed_to_spy_on_americans_who_disagreed_with_foreign_policy.html

Why is it always the Left that is itching to censor people and weaponize the Government against her own people? No just the big wigs running huge Government agencies, but the little thugs and brown shirts running around our nation. It’s like an ingrained Leftinista impulse. Same thing here. Don’t like what I say? George, ban him! George, censor Bill.
fish, you must use your real name or….or….or…

psfish

Posted by: psul "Mr. Cranky Pantz" Emery | 15 August 2022 at 10:25 AM


I'm interested in opinions from those I have respect for fish mouth. You won't even use your real name which means to me you are embarrassed to write here and don't want your friends or family to read your wacky ideas.


Not embarrassed in the slightest psul. But since we're talking about being embarrassed about wacky ideas.....a pseudonym might be just what the doctor ordered for you.

Bill Tozer

psfish @ 10:25 am

🤣 👏

Respect is not a requirement.

A pseudonym that fits pretty darn close is Donnie Jr….aka….the professional entertainer hung up on daddy. Come to papa..

Paul Emery

Then why don't you user your real name fishmouth?

Bill Tozer

“I am interested in”…. Good, that makes one of you.

I am not interested in your opinion in the least and that makes it the Royal We.

Keep connecting the dots, oh Dick Tracy. Opinions are like anal cavities, everyone has one. In your case Psul Punchy Emery, it’s more like “No shit, Sherlock.” We have 20 seconds to spare. That should be more than ample time to tell us all you know about any topic you are interested in.

fish

Posted by: Bill Tozer | 15 August 2022 at 01:02 PM


A pseudonym that fits pretty darn close is Donnie Jr….aka….the professional entertainer hung up on daddy.


I really doubt that psul is D-jr. Blog theater...even bad Blog Theater requires a little writing talent. psul doesn't even have enough talent for regular posts let alone the more flamboyant offerings. Thought it might be jeffy, or Psycho Mike....but have come around to your idea about it probably being KKKeachie.

Still would like George to release some of the e-mails associated with the posts.

psfish

Posted by: psul Emery | 15 August 2022 at 01:05 PM


You’ve been informed on numerous occasions psul. Maybe you should scour the archives.

Bill Tozer

Under the category of ‘no shit, Sherlock’:

‘Records Suggest A Backbench Bureaucrat’s Partisan Grievance Spurred The FBI’s Nakedly Political Raid On Trump’

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/15/from-bureaucrat-hack-to-grand-jury-witch-hunt-the-dojs-trump-raid-smells-like-spygate/
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Well, there is only one person to blame for this fine mess: Ole Lying Joe the Corrup one man Groomer Machine. The chickens have come home to roost. It is ALL Brain Dead Joe Biden’s fault, but he, like our Court Jester, will never never never admit it. Never!

‘Feds see American anger over Trump raid, insecure border as posing increased terror threat’

New bulletin warns of "potential for domestic violent extremists to carry out attacks on federal, state, and local law enforcement and government personnel or facilities."

https://justthenews.com/government/security/feds-see-americans-angry-about-trump-raid-insecure-border-posing-increased

Hmmm. Attacks on government personnel or facilities?
Aha! Just like Antifa and James Hodgkinson….nothing to see here.
Steve Scalise

@SteveScalise
·I was shot by a deranged Leftist who came to the baseball field with a list of Congressional Republicans to kill.

This was NOT “suicide by cop.”

End of story.

NEWS: The FBI labeled the 2017 baseball field shooting that nearly killed Steve Scalise a "suicide by cop," a key GOP lawmaker revealed in a little-noticed, pointed exchange with Director WRAY last week.

Paul Emery

fishmouth

It was years ago what you posted something on the matter of your fake name. Why is it so difficult for you to do it again for newer readers?

psfish

Posted by: psul Emery | 15 August 2022 at 01:34 PM


Probably within the last six weeks psul.

Bill Tozer

The fallout continues. Like watching Emery passing a sugar pine cone..er…a Ponderrosa pine cone.

‘GOP Rep. Jordan says 14 FBI whistleblowers have come forward since Trump raid
Republicans widely condemned the raid as an act of political partisanship’

https://justthenews.com/accountability/whistleblowers/jim-jordan-says-14-fbi-whisteblowers-have-come-forward-trump-raid

Bill Tozer

Paul Emery @ 1:34 pm

Please, dipshit, try to stay on topic (a topic your are ‘vary’ interested in and please quit hiding behind ‘it’s for the children….er…it’s for the new readers’. What the hell is wrong with you, Punch E Emery?? WTF is your major malfunction? Topic, topic, topic.

Now focus. Best thing about you ran down your daddy’s…

Don Bessee

Talk about overreach -

The warrant, which Attorney General Merrick Garland says he approved and was signed by Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart, did not state that they could take Trump’s passport. Typically, the government needs a separate court order to seize someone’s passport, even temporarily.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/15/donald-trump-fbi-stole-passports-in-mar-a-lago-raid/

;-)

Bill Tozer

I told you so. Probable cause is off limits.

'DOJ opposes release of Trump warrant affidavit'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/doj-opposes-release-trump-warrant-affidavit

Don Bessee

On a related note its another sad day for the haters like the ponytail of ignorance -

One person with knowledge of the matter said that Weisselberg was expected to receive a five-month prison sentence, an unexpectedly favorable outcome for him.

Prosecutors have long hoped that they could persuade Weisselberg to testify against Trump, given his decades in the employ of the Trump family and his vast knowledge of the company and its business practices. But Weisselberg has refused to meet with them even as his lawyers negotiated a potential deal, the people with knowledge of the matter said.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-Executive-Nears-Plea-Deal-With-Manhattan-17375402.php

;-)

Bill Tozer

VDH writes a mini essay.
‘Why Merrick Garland Is Losing the People’

Is the attorney general disingenuous or simply naïve?

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/14/why-merrick-garland-is-losing-the-people/

The Walls are forever closing in

Don Bessee

Not just liars but bad liars -

“According to a DOJ official, the FBI is NOT in possession of former President Trump’s passports. Trump had accused the FBI of stealing his three passports during the search of his Mar-a-Lago home,” O’Donnell announced on Monday.

Shortly after Norah’s post, Taylor Budowich, the former president’s communications director, shared an email from Jay Bratt, the top counterintelligence official in the Justice Department’s national security division, confirming that three passports were seized in the raid and that they would be returned to the former president soon.

“We have learned that the filter agents seized three passports belonging to President Trump, two expired and one being his active diplomatic passport. We are returning them, and they will be ready for pick up at WFO at 2 PM today,” the email to Trump’s attorneys read.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/15/trump-team-drops-email-proving-fbi-wrongly-seized-passports-media-doj-attempted-mislead-public/

;-)

Scott O

Don - The Fibbies - they lie - it's what they do.

Paul Emery

Oh Bill you cite as your source for your 5:53 Victor Davis Hanson who is a thoroughly discredited neo-con who along with Bush and others gave us the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. Better luck next time Bill. I have thoroughly exposed his lack of credibility in previous posts so no need for links.

Don Bessee

Does not make him wrong oh great ponytail of ignorance and he is way more credible than you! ROFLOL

;-)

psfish

Posted by: Paul Emery | 15 August 2022 at 06:53 PM

I have thoroughly exposed his lack of credibility in previous posts so no need for links.


No need for links because psul doesn't look at them. I hope Hanson is going to be OK....a heaping helping of psul Emery Brand Scornflakes™ could really hurt a guys career.

Paul Emery

The wars were wrong Don and he not only supported them but also promoted them. He is a classic Neo-con Tell me Don, were the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan worth the nearly 5 Trillion (AT LEAST) dollars And thousands of American lives?

Don Bessee

What does any of that have to do with his current pronouncements? Nothing, you just hate he calls out your sacred cows and tells the truth about what they are up to. LOL

;-)

Paul Emery

He has no credibility and was one of those that led us into those costly and tragic wars therefore why should I believe what he writes? Did you support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq Don?

Paul Emery

fishmouth

Did you support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which added trillions to our national debt?

psfish

Posted by: psul “I’m so angry I’d strangle a Manatee in the nude” Emery | 15 August 2022 at 07:49 PM


fishmouth

Did you support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which added trillions to our national debt?


Why do you repeat the same question over and over? You’re a little like assistant principal Anita Horgarth.

But no….I didn’t support either of those.


Bill Tozer

I see Dipshit Emery is still struggling to stay on topic. Focus, cumbreath focus.

Lying is their first reaction.

‘DOJ admits to over-collecting evidence in raid, offers to return Trump passports’
FBI agents may also have mistakenly collected privileged documents and plan to return those.

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/doj-admits-it-took-trumps-passports-offers-return-them

Paul Emery


Well fish, we agree on that. I also don't give credibility to those that got us there and Victor Davis Hanson is one of them.

Don Bessee

So the ponytail of ignorance does not give cred to all these dems too. ROFLOL -


Here are the Democratic Senators who voted YEA on October 2002.

Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Cleland (D-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea

;-)

Bill Tozer

BREAKING NEWS ‘Evidence of violations of the Hatch Act found in Trump’s Mar-a-logo Safe!’

‘Evidence of aiding and abetting the enemy according to sources close to the investigation.’

“Did Garland finally find the smoking gun that Mueller did not?”

https://www.facebook.com/PatriotPost/photos/a.82108390913/10159020917645914/?

Bill Tozer

Don @ 8:45 pm

Wasting your time. Besides, the Court Jester is just all upset from the blowback across the news concerning the disastrous colossal permanent dark stain on the USA and national embarrassment as the one year anniversary of Biden’s withdraw is upon us.

Now Don, don’t be a pony tail of gross ignorance and focus on the topic. The topic is the new normal is ‘the walls are closing in’ on Punchy Emerrhoid.

Scott O

Paul - "He has no credibility"
And you do, Paul?
Bragging about how excited you were to vote for a lying perv?

Bill Tozer

Scott O. Don’t you just love it when Dipshit does his projections? Guess he never looks in the mirror.

Quotes (on topic).

Insight

“The choice facing the nation is between two totally different ways of life. And what a prize we have to fight for: no less than the chance to banish from our land the dark, divisive clouds of Marxist socialism and bring together men and women from all walks of life who share a belief in freedom.” —Margaret Thatcher (1925-2013)

Observations

“Like rest of media, I don’t know what was in documents taken from Mar-a-Lago on Monday or in June. But when you think about Trump and classified documents, it’s usually right to think that at the bottom of it all is the Trump-Russia investigation. Law enforcement and Intelligence Community used classification, secrecy against Trump in the long-running ‘collusion’ fiasco. Drove him nuts. He repeatedly ordered lots of documents to be declassified. Some were, some weren’t. If this is really a dispute over classified documents, look deep into the roots of it and you’ll probably see the Trump-Russia mess.” —Byron York

“Just to get this straight, we’re now supposed to believe that the material Trump had stored in his house was nuclear content so sensitive the FBI waited a year and a half to go get it and used the National Archives as a prop to do so?” —Ben Shapiro

Lack of Self-Awareness Award

“You would think there would be an adult in the Republican room that would say, ‘Just calm down; see what the facts are and let’s go for that,’ instead of instigating assaults on law enforcement.” —House Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Bill Tozer

Paul Emery @ 6: 53 pm

Since you refuse to follow the rules (what, they don’t apply to you?) perhaps you can tell the new readers how Victor Davis Hanson got us into the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Please, kind knowledgeable one, tell us more. It is for the new readers and they find your analysis vary peculiar.

VDH was never held a government position or elected office as far as I can tell. He worked for a Standford think tank and wrote columns about the Great Divide. Yes, Victor Davis Hansen is known as a great military historian with few peers, focusing on WW2.
So, what power did VDH yield to get us in the war in Iraq? A writer is that powerful?? More powerful than Dick Cheney? I am impressed. Vary impressed.

“Oh Bill you cite as your source for your 5:53 Victor Davis Hanson who is a thoroughly discredited neo-con who along with Bush and others gave us the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. Better luck next time Bill. I have thoroughly exposed his lack of credibility in previous posts so no need for links.”

Well, I guess we will just have to take your word for it, Dixon.

Jose Koyote’s ACME Anvil

BTW, for the coveted New Reader, Garland IS losing the people.l.whether one likes it or not.

Bill Tozer

It is becoming vary difficult to separate the two. Darn near impossible.

In Latest Anti-Trump Operation, DOJ And Media Deploy Same Old Russiagate Tricks

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/17/in-latest-anti-trump-operation-doj-and-media-deploy-same-old-russiagate-tricks/

Bill Tozer

For the legal aspect take without moi commentary…

‘Old case over audio tapes in Bill Clinton's sock drawer could impact Mar-a-Lago search Dispute’
Judge ruled in 2012 that a president's discretion to declare records "personal" is far-reaching and mostly unchallengeable.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/old-case-over-audio-tapes-bill-clintons-sock-drawer-could-impact

Other articles on the ‘broadness’ of the search warrant is problematic.
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Commentary:

Ah, ye ole sock drawer raises its head again.

First, I apologize to and correct the record about the 30 non-door kicker FBI agents for implying they were getting their jollies off sniffing Melania’s underwear in her panty drawer.. I was wrong. Melania wears Hanes. Bummer dudes. Big disappointment. Well, after all, she is an active mother.

It turns out that it was the sock drawer, like Bubba’s, that the real nine hour delight was found. That, and the former First Lady’s stylish footwear collection to die for. What is it with all these guys with foot fetishes? From the fictional Baltimore Foot Stomper, to Dick Morris getting outed for sucking prostitutes toes, to Rex Ryan of the Jets outed for the licking the same, to the FBI spending nine hours getting their woman’s foot fetish more than satisfied. The sock drawer. Recently found the key to an old vehicle I had sold many moons ago…in the bottom of the sock drawer. Go figure.

Bill Tozer

How very unsurprising. They have their reputation to save. Excuse me, I need to go vomit. A+ article for facts.

FBI Unit Leading Mar-a-Lago Probe Earlier Ran Discredited Trump-Russia Investigation

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2022/08/18/fbi_unit_leading_mar-a-lago_probe_previously_led_russiagate_hoax_848582.html

Don Bessee

Think how close this idiot was to being part of the scotus. He should have kept his mouth shut but deviation from standard practice of not commenting on ongoing investigations looks to have sunk their ability to keep the affidavit secret. -

https://www.foxnews.com/media/how-garland-hurt-dojs-fight-trump-raid-affidavit-sealed

;-)

Paul Emery

George

This is a quote from you 14 Aug 3:17

" IMHO the president should only declassify through a known and deliberate process that involves multiple official parties being informed and offering recorded counsel on the matter. "

Do you have any indication that Trump followed those practices when he claims classified documents are automatically de-classified when he takes them home?

Direct quote from Trump:

“standing order … that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them.”"

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/trumps-dubious-standing-order-to-declassify-documents/

Paul Emery

Here's a direct link to the video of the statement from his office:

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1558261235883311106

fish

Shhhhhhh!!!! EVERYBODY JUST SHUT UP FOR A MINUTE!!!!


Matlock is on....he’s about to make an inescapable point in both logic and the law.....need to see where he’s going with this.


.......and thanks in advance for watching this episode.... The Case of the Secret Files ....a Quinn Martin production.

Bill Tozer

Lol. They are getting the band back together.

‘Strzok, who helped lead FBI's Russia collusion probe, now says former president has Russian passport’

“One of the passports taken in the raid was Trump's active diplomatic passport, according to an email from the Justice Department made public by Trump spokesman Taylor Budowich. The department official also said in the email that the other two passports were expired.”

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/ex-fbi-agent-peter-strzok-suggests-trump-has-russian

Don Bessee

Well thats a big fly in the ointment -

Those statutes are general in their text and application. But Mr. Trump’s documents are covered by a specific statute, the Presidential Records Act of 1978. It has long been the Supreme Court position, as stated in Morton v. Mancari (1974), that “where there is no clear intention otherwise, a specific statute will not be controlled or nullified by a general one, regardless of the priority of enactment.” The former president’s rights under the PRA trump any application of the laws the FBI warrant cites.

The PRA lays out detailed requirements for how the archivist is to administer the records, handle privilege claims, make the records public, and impose restrictions on access. Notably, it doesn’t address the process by which a former president’s records are physically to be turned over to the archivist, or set any deadline, leaving this matter to be negotiated between the archivist and the former president.

President Trump’s attorneys filed a motion Monday with the federal court in Florida that authorized the search warrant, asking him to appoint a “special master” to return seized materials that implicate attorney-client privilege or executive privilege. They argue that the president’s Fourth Amendment rights were violated — that the search warrant was so broad as to amount to a “general search,” prohibited since the days of “red-coated soldiers” who provoked the Bill of Rights in the first place.

Rivkin and Casey note that there is no provision in the PRA that would allow a search warrant to be executed against the president, absent some other crime having been committed (and possibly having reached a conviction in a court of law).

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/23/wsj-op-ed-no-legal-basis-for-mar-a-lago-search-warrant/

;-)

Bill Tozer

Don @ 3:20 pm

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been sitting on that for over a week waiting for someone else to point this out. While the PRA of 1978 clearly has violations stated, there is NO enforcement provision (no enforcement mechanism) in the Records Act. Thus, to have the FBI retrieve such documents is illegal. The FBI or the aJustice Act cannot enforce the Records Act.

One who is know knowledgeable on such matters would also point out that the National Achieves records fall under the jurisdiction of the Capitol Police, not the FBI. Illegal search warrant. Now, the Espionage Act is a different matter. Just like the National Parks Service protected the burned church in Layette Park and pushed the rioters and violent mob back with tear gas, not Bill Barr or Donald Trump or the Capitol Police or for a Trump photo op, lol.
The DC Metro police did help with crowd control and they were the ones who used ‘not tear gas’ tear gas on the rioters who also torched the White House guard shack, which is protected by the Secret Service.

George Rebane

re 320pm and 520pm - Sadly, none of that little celebration matters. Why? Because no one will go down that rabbit hole to discover the PRA, plus what it really means; and the DoJ will proceed with the criminal investigation recognizing and citing their own laws manufactured from whole cloth, because no journalist (lamestream of conservative) will want to raise and attempt to explain it to the nation of double dummies with short attention spans. RR is a microcosm harbinger of all this in its comment streams.

Bill Tozer

Dr. Rebane @ 5:58 pm

Agreed. That’s why I sat on that for over a week. In fact my comments and knowledge of such matters should be put under the category of Legal Theories. A Constitutionalist is a lonely place to be. I may be a newly proclaimed populist, but only in the vain of a Constitutionalist populist. :).

Bill Tozer

‘Nothing Is More Pro-Law And Order Than Attacking The Rotten FBI’

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/23/nothing-is-more-pro-law-and-order-than-attacking-the-rotten-fbi/

Paul Emery

G


George

You wrote earlier that " IMHO the president should only declassify through a known and deliberate process that involves multiple official parties being informed and offering recorded counsel on the matter. "

Are you satisfied that Trump did that with the classified information that was discovered by the FBI?


From Trumps office:


Trump did claim that all was declassified the moment it left Washington. This is Trumps opinion the matter:

"As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. American presidents are no different," said the statement from Trump's office on Friday night read out on Fox News.

Trump further claimed that he had a "standing order" to declassify documents "the moment" they left the Oval Office.

"President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day, often took documents, including classified documents, from the Oval Office to the residence. He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them," the statement said."

Do you think that qualifies for de-classification as you described in your earlier quote on this post ?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-claims-standing-order-automatically-declassify-docs-2022-8


Bill Tozer

Johnathan Turley

‘Litigation by Leak: Government Officials Leak New Details on the Mar-a-Lago Raid While Continuing to Oppose Disclosures in Court’

https://jonathanturley.org/2022/08/23/litigation-by-leak-government-officials-leak-new-details-on-the-mar-a-lago-raid-while-continuing-to-oppose-disclosures-in-court/

Paul Emery


Bill

Do you agree with Trumps official statement that " He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them,"

Don Bessee

#sadoldman yelling get off the lawn @ 707,650 LOL

;-)

Bill Tozer

Not tonight Paul, I have headache. How do you know classified documents were found at Mar-a-Lago? We do not know that as a fact. :)

psfish

Posted by: psul "channeling Anita Horgarth" Emery | 23 August 2022 at 07:07 PM


So if Bill agrees with Trump...what then....he wins something.....some sort of prize?


Asking for a friend!

Paul Emery

Bill

My question had to do with whether you agreed with his statement about declassification. Here's the offical statement from his office:

" He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them,"

Bill Tozer

Paul Emery @ 707 pm.
707pm? That late already. Time to get outside and get maybe an hour in on my project. Definitely at the 100/168 mark. Flew a lot of miles on the 707s when they were the big ole jet airliner that took me where I wanted to be.

No Paul, tonight I feel like Dr. Rebane when he arrived home from his long boring road trip.

With drink in hand, Dr. Rebane enjoyed (for one night and possibility a day) to just let the problems of the world pass him by. Tonight, with no drink in hand, things seem…as Dr. Rebane perfectly put it….things seem complicated, too complicated so I will let the world go to hell in a hand basket tonight.

Tonight, Paul, I just don’t have the want power to do the 5 fairies dancing on the head of a pen. Besides, who cares what I think. Right now I am thinking about taking a big dump on Fauci and Garland’s desk. Ok, time to smoke the peacepipe. Later. I will circle back and get back to you with the answer to your question. Might take a couple days. That Biden inflation cut deep into my summer vacation travel plans this year and its now I say, “ It’s over, let the world go to hell in a hand basket.” Let me informed!

Barry Pruett

Paul. I don’t think that you understand the presidency. The president can literally stand over a pile of documents and declassify them by fiat. Nobody can stop him except by impeaching him. That’s it. Congress cannot make laws restricting presidential power, because only the constitution restrains the president and the sole remedy is impeachment. Trump could do whatever he wanted with the documents. He can take them because they are his. Obama, Bush, and Clinton have done the same thing. There is nothing to see here except a political department of justice being used as the FSB.

Paul Emery

So Barry you disagree with George qwho saYS " IMHO the president should only declassify through a known and deliberate process that involves multiple official parties being informed and offering recorded counsel on the matter. "

Also Barry can you provide documentation as to exactly when Trump de-classified the documents? Obviously it would have to have been when he was still in office.

Bill Tozer

Paul. How came I miss you when I won’t go away? All this does is delay my nutshell bottomline answer to your inquiry. Easy Peary. Now it will be a couple of days or there abouts.

If you want to do the legal theory five fairies dancing on a pinpoint, then I strongly recommend your educate yourself on why a search warrant was issued instead of a subpoena….like the normal process would be litigated via the courts. Hint: A search warrant bypasses the the subpoena process which the act of turning over documents under court order cannot be considered criminal. Just the act of following a subpoena cannot me criminalized. Following a court order is a lawful act. Now, what’s in the docs and so forth is a different matter. But, to get to that point is where the 5 fairies dancing in the head of a pen comes in.

Put this in the Legal Theory section of the Encyclopedia of Worthless Information. Worthless in era of Darn the Torpedoes, Full Steam Ahead to GET TRUMP! Not through the Judiciary, but through the door kickers looking for criminal acts. Like Nazis or Stalinists, or Maoists. Get your kids and neighbors and friends to rat you out.

Do I agree with that one legal theory you are hung up on? What is a lawful order or was it a lawful order for Trump to say “It’s declassified because I say so?”

Well, the explanation is not that complicated and the answer is short and clear. Stay tuned

Paul, the answer is “absolutely not” IF and only if your are going after a criminal conviction. That’s a lot to pin your hopes on. A lot. The courts and SCOTUS have historically given Presidents a huge wide range of latitude in declaring what is personal papers and what docs the President can keep or Wa to keep for writing memoirs and refreshing memories or whatever they choose.
The Courts have just about always shot your hat right off the hat rack you put it that thing on. Big hole in that argument. No use citing statues. Time to get a new hat and hat rack.

Hey, remember in Trump’s last days folks like your buddies where freaking out that Trump still had the launch codes and was going to blow up the world on his way out the door!! And that idiot general not in the chain of command was calling China and telling them we would give them a heads up if Trump was about to launch and and…we gotta impeach the mother now before he blows up the whole world!

Kinda reminds me of the nuke weapon intel Trump has in his safe or Melania’s sock drawer. Sock drawer my ash.

Barry Pruett

When they were taken to MAL. Further trump declassified all russiagate and Clinton email docs in October 2020.

Don Bessee

#sadoldman loves to stomp his little feet and hold his breath with a bong hit demanding the most idiotic things, does he not understand that no one cares what the po' ol' fakenewsman demands! LOL

Also Barry can you provide documentation

;-)

George Rebane

PaulE 906pm - as always, your logic dreadfully flawed. Barry’s 858pm and my druthers on presidential declassification are totally consistent.

Bill Tozer

Brother Paul.

There is a reason why I keep going back to a topic you would rather not discuss; Russiagate and Spygate. The reason is the same group of folks (mostly the same group of folks including you) made up bold face lies out of thin air, lied, spread lies, and weaponized the now beyond any shadow of doubt the very corrupt FBI/DOJ-National Security political apparatus to FRAME AN INNOCENT MAN. It was all to frame an innocent man. That is evil. Bearing false witness.

The parallels between the totally made up Hoax and the raid on Mar-a-Lago has the same cast of characters twisting themselves into pretzels to find some dubious Logan Act or unclear statute to pin a crime on one person while absolving the same behavior others did and do with impunity and reckless abandon with gusto with no consequences.

I know it is your mission to #Resist at all costs….so, I will leave it at your doorstep, figuratively. Your efforts to frame an innocent man in the succession of the most recent years makes it difficult to fathom you are operating on any semblance of ‘good faith’. Nuff said.
—————————————-
The Raid:
With about 100 days before the mid-terms and the Oval Office directly involved, why would the Biden Administration take such an unprecedented bold move to raid with 30 armed agents with real machine guns the residence of any former President of the Untied States? “Why, why, why?”, as the Ponytail of Evil Deeds is known to ask. Why?
A: To sow chaos. Chaos. The Leftinistas need chaos. They create chaos to thrive and retain power. The raid was all about chaos.
————-
Remember when the Russian Collusion debunked Hoax started, I said keep an eye on John Carlin. Well, nobody remembers that besides me. John Carlin was the head of the DOJ’s National Security Division created under the Patriot Act. Arguably the most powerful lawyer in the DOJ…certainly the top counter-intelligence lawyer in government.

The released material and communications of Lisa Page, McCabe and Bill P show how they could not get a warrant to domestically spy on Trump and his campaign without the National Security Division’s John Carlin signing off. A name on no one’s radar here save moi.
Carlin signed off on the warrant in very late September, 2016, gave two weeks notice and left his position as head of the DOJ’s. National Security Division (he was only in his early 50’s) in Oct, 2016 and was gone before the 2016 election. Out of sight, out of mind. Went to go work for some big group. His right hand deputy took over his position, the woman who Page and McCade and higher ups pressured to get Carlin on the stick and sign off on the warrant to spy on a political rival’s campaign for President. Anyway….

Well, John Carlin is back in government! He is now the third ranking counter-intelligence official which means he participated in overseeing The Raid.
I may be the only who cares, and I do care. The parallels, the chaos, the cases past and present against Trump are one and the same to me. Call it Impeachment Chaos 3.0.

Paul Emery

So Barry you are saying Trump declassified the Docs in 2020. Can you provide documentation on that?

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Paul Emery

So Barry if Trump declassifies documents as you say he has the right to doesn't that also mean that there would be public access to those documents under the

FOIA act and Trump would have to release them to to anyone who applies?

Gregory

Punchy 1017a

No, but thanks for punching.

Bill Tozer

Let’s play “What if”. Suppose for the sake of argument that Donald J. Trump does have the declassification order and documents to prove the date and time while still a sitting President….. but refuses (and his team) to release said documents just to draw the fools into his trap to make them look like the chickens with their heads cut of they be. Expose them as dopes.
Is Trump that smart? Is Trump one step of them and not the other way around? Does Trump know their next move before they do and with just a couple of moves left in the proverbial chess match before Trump calls check mate on them…are they ready to stop the game now? No way, Jose. Are the hunters becoming the hunted?

Just a game of “What If”, a silly game indeed. So, George, suppose…….

“Welcome to my parlor” said the spider to the fly. Now off to my daily meditations with Kamala Harris. Let’s play that game again, shall we?

Paul Emery


Gregory

Can you or anyone else provide a link to support your 10:37 ? It refers to my 10:17 post.

Gregory

Punchy 207p

Yes, indeed, someone can. Someone might, someone, not me.

I remember trying to use the state equivalent 20 years ago to get someone in the County Education, the NUJHSD or the GVSD to divulge who gave them $50k to study the efficacy of scrapping the AP series and going with Internationale Baccalaureate courses and testing.

The three entities each pointed to the other to say their hands were tied.

I suspected the money was from the Parisian who was managing the GVG for but the whole thing was dropped.

fish

Posted by: psul Emery | 24 August 2022 at 02:07 PM

Gregory

Can you or anyone else provide a link to support your 10:37 ? It refers to my 10:17 post.


Ya know…..sometimes if you put the craziest ass shit (like the question you’ve posed) into the query bar of a search engine you will frequently get a range of interesting and relevant returns. I know…..it sounds crazy!

For instance, I cut and pasted the entire first paragraph from your 10:17 and got back a number of items to review….many were contradictory but that is to be expected where a unique legal I question is at issue!

Anyway….just trying to help a brother out.

I think next I’ll query, “Why are former hippies still so dang lazy”?

Let you know how it turns out.

George Rebane

re PaulE 1017am - The FOIA issue concerning access to formerly classified, now sub-rosa presidentially declassified federal documents, is a valid concern, and a good point to discuss. We can all think of reasons why some such documents, subsequently released through FOIA, would not serve the national interest. My own recommendation of using a more formal procedure for presidential declassification was offered to avoid the current problems of sub-rosa disposition of classified documents.

Barry Pruett

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN29O2TB

Sure. Russia Probe Docs Declassified. As far as FOIA is concerned, Trump is not in the government, so FOIA does not apply to him; however and because the documents were declassified, the FBI and DOJ could be a source for the documents under FOIA. The problem is that neither the FBI nor the DOJ want these declassified documents out in the public view. These very documents are the ones that the FBI tried to take. I am hearing that they did not get the documents that they were looking for as well.

Paul Emery

Barry

How about the more recent files that Trump claims were de classified including those labeled Top Secret?

Gregory

punchy 424p

What exactly are the documents you are referencing? Identifying marks and descriptions?

I'll wait for your complete answer.

RT

“I thought the C on the documents meant page three.” —Former Secretary of State and not anyone’s President, Hillary Rodman Clinton

Barry Pruett

Paul. I have a question for you. Why does it matter if Trump had classified documents under lock and guarded by the Secret Service? He was the alpha of the executive branch. None of us know what is in the documents, so even if any of these documents were classified you don’t know what they are.I just don’t see anything here.

Bill Tozer

“Barry
How about the more recent files that Trump claims were de classified including those labeled Top Secret?
Posted by: Paul Emery | 24 August 2022 at 04:24 PM”
———-
Paul, kindly show us all the documentation you have that declassified documents were labeled Top Secret!

Don’t tell me, let me guess. 17 Intel agencies told you that. Some source in the DOJ? Someone speaking on the condition of anonymity? The Wa Compost, CNN, NYT, or NPR?

Did I guess it, did I? Whatever I won, kindly donate it to beloved commentator fish. Thanks in advance.
—————-
Did you know that the Secret Service members guarding the President have a higher classification status than the President himself? It’s tru, tis true. Super duper Top Secret.

Bill Tozer

Holy Smokes. Not even the corrupt Brass can trust the FBI.

FBI whistleblowers say senior officials ordered Bureau not to investigate Hunter Biden laptop
"The FBI cannot be trusted with the handling of Hunter Biden’s laptop"

“Former Washington Field Office Assistant Special Agent in Charge Timothy Thibault faced allegations that he withheld the partisan nature of evidence from senior DOJ officials to secure their approval for an investigation of Trump. Moreover, he reportedly worked to falsely discredit evidence against Hunter Biden. Thibault has been reassigned following the allegations.”

https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/fbi-whistleblowers-say-senior-officials-ordered-bureau-not-investigate

Just allegations. Nothing you see here folks. This whole thing smells like Susan Rice of Jan 5, 2017.

Paul Emery

You're right Barry. " He was the alpha of the executive branch." That was then but this is now He lost the election to Biden and has no right to retain classified documents at his residence. They are not his personal possessions.

Don Bessee

Well they already scored on victory so why doubt they will have another -

https://www.oann.com/judicial-watch-files-foia-lawsuit-against-national-archives-for-hiding-records-tied-to-raid-on-trumps-home/

;-)

Barry Pruett

Who classifies documents?

Bill Tozer

Well Paul, go get Obama’s documents that he has kept in his multi-mega million dollar library. Good luck with that, Paul Emery. Try to pry o e document loose. They are not to be touched or seen for now.
The documents at the Reagan Library are available to view, but not remove….on a need to know basis, lol.

Perhaps this is too complicated for you to wrap your head around. I agree with your premise that the documents are property of Uncle Sam. But, when the rubber hits the road, it’s five faires dancing on the head of a pin. The one who would know is Bill Barr, whose previous years spent at the much sought after position at the Office of Legal Counsel which advises the President and Justice Department on Constitutional matters.

Perhaps Trump has violated some act, the Espionage Act hopefully in your case. But, those laws are applied haphazardly and with no consistency. For a tiny example, Huma’s e-Mails with Hillary reveal that Hillary printed copies of government classified documents by removing the letterheads and sending the classified documents to her home where her Guatemalan housekeeper was instructed to remove them from the home printer and up them on Hillary home office desk. Follow me so far?

It is a violation of the Espionage Act to let anyone touch, handle, or see classified docs who is not authorized and has classified clearance. That means when Hillary had Maria or Rosa the maid get the docs out of The Clinton’s home printer and walk them to her home office, Hillary violated the Espionage Act and can never hold federal office, appointed or elected, again. Was she charged with that crime? No way, Jose. Even Comey admitted he took his docs home to use for stuff like preparing speeches and stuff like that. Mixing personal with government business is frowned upon….but everything Comey did he considered as “authorized”, He was not a POTUS, but an self appointed liar in chief. Anyway….best to leave such nuanced and complex issues to those who work in the realm of federal statues.

Mark Levin would know. As chief spokesperson for the Justice Department, he darn near knew every statue inside and out and the Constitutionality and debate behind each law…so unlike today’s department and WH spokespersons, he could answer any question thrown his way. Haven’t checked on Levine lately, but he would have a very reasoned opinion on such matters, increased case history.

But, pay that no never mind. The Great Equalizer for all of us is no one can say for sure how a judge or court will render their decisions. Even slam dunks. We just don’t know at this point which way the cookie crumbles.

Paul Emery


Well Barry if Trump declassified the documents all he has to do is present the documentation as to where and when the declassification was done and of course what files were involved and he won't have a problem. You have to admit saying a year and a half later that they were automatically declassified when he took them home is pretty lame. To the best of my knowledge there is not even one person in his staff who said they were aware of that at the time.

Trump is basically delusional and getting worse if he thinks that will fly.

Don Bessee

OH Boy can we get a one-handed clap for the ponytail of ignorance's comic stylings -

To the best of my knowledge ROFLOL

;-)

Bill Tozer

Judicial Watch files FOIA suit against National Archives to obtain Trump raid records
“The Biden administration’s unlawful secrecy on its political raid of Trump’s home speaks volumes"

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/judicial-watch-files-foia-suit-against-national-archives-obtain-trump-raid

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