Trump Derangement Syndrome – 31mar23

George Rebane

Now that former president Trump has been indicted by the country’s anti-American left, we are seeing the saner elements from both Right and Left decry the Manhattan idiot DA’s decision in countless media interviews and op-eds.  What strikes me is how these commentators are tippy-toeing around the notion of a violent opposition, while not exactly calling for one – but their message is clear – e.g. the 30mar23 Tucker Carlson program.  So let’s get cut to the chase, are we finally hearing that it’s time to start soaking the cannons?  Thoughts?

More later.

Comments

[Gregory]

"It is a fundamental tenet of American law that criminal law should not be stretched to fit targeted defendants. Criminal statutes must be clear and unambiguous. If there is any doubt, the age-old concept of “lenity” requires that these doubts be resolved in favor of the defendant.

Thomas Jefferson once quipped that for a criminal statute to be valid, it must be so clear that a reasonable person could understand it if he read it “while running.” A nice image!

I intend to read the text of the indictment, while sitting, with 60 years of experience behind me. I doubt I will find that it meets the constitutional criteria for “fair warning,” although I maintain an open mind until I have studied it carefully.

The important point is that when a district attorney ran for office as a Democrat pledging to get Mr. Trump, who is a candidate for president against the incumbent Democrat, that district attorney must have an airtight case.

A weak, questionable, unprecedented, and novel stitching together of two inapplicable statutes, will not, and should not, satisfy the American public that this is not a partisan targeting of a political
opponent."

Alan Dershowitz in the NY Sun

[Walter Davis]

Oh baloney! Trump's top executives at his company have gone to jail, and as the Owner of a company that has been involved with sooooooo many unscrupulous activities and you people seem to think that he's had no part in these goings on at his OWN Company? Reaaaaally?

Just wait until the shoe drops on what he did in Georgia as I imagine that you'll all be crying about hearing him trying to change the vote counts there.

Just a FYI, honesty and integrity matter in life and just because you've decided to check yours at the door doesn't excuse his activities or those in his administration, as there has never been a presidential administration that has had as many of its members go to jail, and in fact if you combines that has 17 administrations that would equal the amount that have gone it jail during his tenure!

Faced it the only thing that going to save him is the simple FACT that he's polluted so many peoples minds that they'll never find a unbiased jury.

Many wonder why I left the Republican party @30 years ago? I believe in honesty and integrity, something that many of you would never understand, let alone spell correctly these days!

[Davis Walter]

Posted by: Walter Davis | 01 April 2023 at 01:44 PM

.....aaannd in the Fiction Category the award goes to.....Walter Davis.

[Walter Davis]

Yawn:

1. Steve Bannon: Trump’s political Svengali was charged with fraud in August 2020 for a fundraising scam tied to raising dollars to build Trump’s much bally-hooed border wall. The allegation, which Bannon has denied, was that he and others involved in the We Build The Wall group used money raised to pay for lavish personal expenses.

2. Tom Barrack: Barrack was charged on seven counts on Tuesday. The allegations, according to the indictment, center on the idea that Barrack used his closeness to Trump to “advance the interests of and provide intelligence to the UAE while simultaneously failing to notify the Attorney General that their actions were taken at the direction of senior UAE officials.” Following Trump’s 2016 victory, Barrack asked UAE officials to provide him with a “wish list” they hoped for from the administration over the first 100 days of Trump’s presidency. “The defendant is charged with acting under the direction or control of the most senior leaders of the U.A.E. over a course of years,” wrote the prosecutors of Barrack.

3. Elliott Broidy: Broidy, a top fundraiser for Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, pleaded guilty in October 2020 to conducted a secret lobbying campaign in exchange for millions of dollars. As CNN’s Kara Scannell wrote at the time of his Broidy’s guilty plea: “Broidy was charged earlier this month with conspiracy for failing to register and disclose his role in a lobbying effort aimed at stopping a criminal investigation into massive fraud at a Malaysian investment fund and advocating for the removal of a Chinese billionaire living in the US.”

In each episode of his weekly YouTube show, Chris Cillizza will delve a little deeper into the surreal world of politics. Click to subscribe!
4. Michael Cohen: The one-time fixer for Trump, Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison for a series of crimes, most notably secret hush-money payments made during the final months of the 2016 presidential campaign to two women alleging affairs with Trump. The sentencing judge said that Cohen had pleaded guilty to “a veritable smorgasbord” of crimes. Cohen turned informant on Trump and, in sworn testimony in front of Congress in 2019, Cohen called Trump “a racist,” “a conman” and “a cheat” – and insisted that the president was fully aware of the hush-money payments.

5. Michael Flynn: Flynn spent a brief stint as Trump’s national security adviser before being forced to resign after he failed to disclose the depth and breadth of his contacts with Russian officials during the transition. Later that year, Flynn admitted that he had lied to the FBI about his contact with Russia and had also done work for Turkey as an unauthorized lobbyist. In early 2020, Flynn and his legal team sought to have his conviction overturned. That effort was rendered moot when Trump pardoned him in November 2020.

6. Rick Gates: Gates, deputy to the campaign chairman of Trump’s 2016 campaign, pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting Paul Manafort in concealing $75 million in foreign bank accounts. Gates turned informant for the government as part of the broader probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, and was sentenced to 45 days in jail.

7. Paul Manafort: Trump’s campaign manager for part of the 2016 presidential campaign, Manafort pleaded guilty in 2018 to on count of conspiracy against the US and one count of conspiracy to obstruct justice due to attempts to tamper with witnesses – and agreed to cooperate with the ongoing Russia probe. Manafort was sentenced to 47 months in prison in 2019. Trump pardoned Manafort, who wound up serving just under two years in prison, in the final weeks of his presidency.

8. George Nader: An informal foreign policy adviser to Trump’s 2016 campaign, Nader cooperated heavily with special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. In early 2020, he pleaded guilty to two counts of sex crimes involving minors.

9. George Papadopoulos: Papadopoulos, a relatively junior adviser to Trump’s campaign, was sentenced to 12 days in prison for lying to investigators about his contacts with individuals tied to Russia. Papadopoulos was defiant about his innocence; “The truth will all be out,” he tweeted the night before reporting to prison. “Not even a prison sentence can stop that momentum.” Trump pardoned Papadopoulos in December 2020.

10. Roger Stone: Stone spent years advising Trump although he was only formally affiliated with the 2016 campaign very briefly. He was convicted in November 2019 for lying to Congress and threatening a witness regarding his efforts for Trump’s campaign. According to the judge, Stone’s actions “led to an inaccurate, incorrect and incomplete report” from the House on Russia, WikiLeaks and the Trump campaign. Stone, and stop me if you’ve heard this one before, was pardoned by Trump in December 2020.

11. Allen Weisselberg: Earlier this month, the longtime chief financial officer for the Trump Organization was charged with tax crimes tied to perks he was given in lieu of salary. “All told, the indictment alleged, Weisselberg evaded taxes on $1.76 million in income over a period beginning in 2005 and concealed for years that he was a resident of New York City, thereby avoiding paying city income taxes,” wrote CNN”s Erica Orden, Kara Scannell and Sonia Moghe. Weisselberg pleaded not guilty. The Trump Organization, which was also indicted and has pleaded not guilty, called the Weisselberg a “pawn in a scorched-earth attempt to harm the former president.”

[scenes]

re: Walter Davis@1:59

Every time one of these fools gins up a bunch of text, you are guaranteed it's plagiarized.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/21/politics/tom-barrack-trump-arrested/index.html

[Gregory]

The simple FACT is that the Manhattan NYC jury pool is 99 44/100% anti Trump.

"Many wonder why I left the Republican party @30 years ago? I believe in honesty and integrity, something that many of you would never understand, let alone spell correctly these days!"

Dream on. Don't use big words you can spell but do not understand.

[DAvis wALtER]

"Many wonder why I left the Republican party @30 years ago? I believe in honesty and integrity.........

Sure you do "Walter"....sure you do.

[Scott O]

"Many wonder why I left the Republican party @30 years ago? I believe in honesty and integrity, something that many of you would never understand, let alone spell correctly these days!"

Hilarious!

Note that he deigns to tell us who he has voted for, for the last 30 years.
I'm pretty sure Jesus of Nazareth wasn't on the ballot.

Pro legal tip for poor Mr Davis - In our legal system, you can only be convicted for a crime that you committed, not for something someone else did.

[Bill Tozer]

Alan The Dersch said something like this:

Any first year law student could win this case if not for the name of Trump and if not for being in held in Manhattan.

Every respected legal analyst I read from Andrew C McCarthy to the whole gang of legal analysts call the case everything from shot full of holes to unconstitutional to Zombie case.

Did anyone else but me notice that Walter Davis’s 1:49 pm mentioned everything but the current case…unless you include Star witness Michael Cohen, lol.

This prosecution started out as the Trump tax fraud case with the smoking gun in there somewhere….which was a faceplant before it pivoted back to Stormy Daniels to…to….to…something called a legal theory, not law.

[Walter Davis]

Bill and "Davis" - I really don't think you two have an idea as to when the second shoe drops, as the issues with Georgia and his attempt to have them change their vote count, which is a felony will come back to bite him much more than the NY case.

The intelligence level of people who don't think that second shoe dropping, and those legal implications is rather amazing.

You can cry all you want about "this is politics", but after you listen to that call to Raffensberger the NY case, no matter how strong / weak it is whii pale to what he's facing there.

I also find it funny that Davis seems to think that is came from CNN that this information is tainted as look up on any platform the information that's there, and every single one of those 11 staff members have had the punishment, hell go look on Wiki, or even FOX entertainment.

[fish]

Posted by: Walter Davis | 02 April 2023 at 11:33 AM

Good lord but you're a fucking tedious sockpuppet! Why don't you go bestow your "wisdom" on the lesbian locksmiths website.

[Gregory]

"The intelligence level of people who don't think that second shoe dropping, and those legal implications is rather amazing."

When your world consists of ham sandwiches, the prospects are endless.

[Scott O]

WD 11:33 - "The intelligence level of people who don't think that second shoe dropping, and those legal implications is rather amazing."

And who would these people be? I wouldn't be surprised if some podunk DA is trying to prosecute Trump 5 years from now. I'm glad to see you have the time to charge up all these undefended hills.

[Bill Tozer]

W. Davis @ 11:33 am

“Bill and "Davis" - I really don't think you two have an idea as to when the second shoe drops, as the issues with Georgia and his attempt to have them change their vote count, which is a felony will come back to bite him much more than the NY case.

The intelligence level of people who don't think that second shoe dropping, and those legal implications is rather amazing.”

Ah contraire, my fury fellow. The topic is the Manhattan indictment and our thoughts about the reaction to it. Just because one (moi) did not venture into the 3 or 4 grand juries currently impaneled against or to be impaneled against Donald J. Trump, does not mean a thing. The “experts” say the best case against Trump is the Georgia State case, not the Manhattan DA case.

As far as any protests, I find the Lefties are rubbing their hands and licking their chops in glee that some will go off half cocked and throw a brick through a window or something. I will not take the bait.

One school of thought is the Manhattan indictment (34 charges) is for the Dems to help Trump become the Presidential nominee and the other school of thought is to cripple Trump and have the R’s nominate a man facing charges in 2024 as this plays out and sink his chances.

I subscribe to the school of thought that the Dems have no bench, no candidate in the wings that is even capable of being a viable candidate for President and the Dems need all the help they can muster. Maybe John Fetterman now that he has been discharged from the mental health ward. Fetterman-Harris?

[Bill Tozer]

Nolte: Democrat Party’s Prosecutorial Abuse Crusade to Rig 2024 Election Has Only Begun

“The goal is to distract attention from the failing state of our country, gin up the Democrat base, and further the cause of Trump exhaustion.
Again, you cannot put anything past a political party willing to hold on to power through the mutilation of children.

We are in for a long 19 months.”

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2023/03/31/nolte-democrat-partys-prosecutorial-abuse-crusade-rig-2024-election-only-begun/

[Misanthrope]

"Now that former president Trump has been indicted by the country’s anti-American left"

Dearie me, another victim of propaganda. Sad.

We are a nation of laws and this is about breaking the law.

Lookie here, new evidence of more laws that Trump may have well broken,

"In the classified documents case, federal investigators have gathered new and significant evidence that after the subpoena was delivered., Trump looked through the contents of some of the boxes of docunments in his home, apparently out of a desire to keep certain things in his possession, the people familiar with the investigation said.
Investigators now suspect, based on witness statements, security camera footage, and other documentary evidence, that boxes including classified material were moved from a Mar-a-Lago storage area after the subpoena was served, and that Trump personally examined at least some of those boxes, these people said. While Trump's team returned some documents with classified markings in response to the subpoena, a later FBI search found more than 100 additional classified items that had not been turned over." WaPo

[Misanthrope]

Michael Cohen went to jail for perjury and campaign finance crimes.

Allen Weisselberg went to prison, and two Trump companies were found guilty of crimes.

Why should the Donald be immune from prosecution?

"On Oct. 10, 1973, Agnew resigned as vice president of the United States and pleaded guilty to one count of tax evasion. He was sentenced to a fine of $10,000 and a period of unsupervised probation. He basically walked out of the courtroom and into a life of playing golf and making money peddling influence.

As the tale is told in the excellent 1974 book by Richard M. Cohen and Jules Witcover, “A Heartbeat Away: The Investigation and Resignation of Spiro T. Agnew” (and in the terrific podcast “Bag Man”), this bargain was highly controversial. The sentence was extraordinarily light for crimes so serious committed by an official so high in the nation’s trust."

[Gregory]

Missy 309p

"Lookie here, new evidence of more laws that Trump may have well broken"

Still crazy after all these years, eh? Whoda thought that TDS would be holding onto the "Progressive" psyche long after the Obama admin folded.

The walls are finally closing in. Again. Better hope the Manhattan case ends in a conviction because if it don't, there will be a price to be paid in the '24 contest.

[Bill Tozer]

Byron York

‘Indictment secrecy repeats pattern of past efforts targeting Trump’

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/indictment-secrecy-repeats-pattern-of-past-efforts-targeting-trump

[Bill Tozer]

Pending cases/indictments

‘Brawl’s In Your Court, Dems: Anti-Trump bias paves way for more partisanship‘

https://nypost.com/2023/04/01/anti-trump-bias-paves-way-for-more-partisanship/

[Don Bessee]

Sounds like something a rhetoric major would pen -

Michigan State’s language guide chides against using words like 'America,' 'Christmas tree' or 'bunny'
The guide warned against using terms like ‘obese,’ ‘obesity’ or ‘overweight’ suggesting ‘higher weight’ or ‘larger-bodied’ to refer to people 'of size.’

Rather than merely condemning common words that have a controversial origin in America’s racial history, many of the changes discourage terminology for historical concepts. One section in particular warned against "Indigenous stereotyping and colonial language" being used such as "tribe," "low man on the totem pole," "bury the hatchet," "on the warpath," "shaman," "rain dance," "savage," "barbarian," "off the reservation," "spirit animal," "scalped," "peace pipe," "hold down the fort," "frontier," "pioneer," "founder," and "conquer and divide."

While many of these phrases are essential to discussing American history, the list went on to argue against "American-centric or first-world language." Also frowned upon are words like "foreigner," "alien," "illegal immigrant," "illegals," or "America" when "referring to the United States (refers to North America, Central America and South America)."

When it comes to religion, the Michigan State University list chided against using "charged words and judgmental labels" to such as "extremist," "militant," "terrorist," "radical," "fundamentalist," "cult", "sect," "devout" and "pious."

"In winter and spring, avoid references to majority religious imagery and language, such as the word ‘merry’ or ‘Christmas trees,’ ‘wreaths,’ ‘holly,’ ‘bells,’ ‘gifts,’ ‘reindeer,’ ‘bunnies,’ ‘eggs’ and ‘chicks,’

https://www.foxnews.com/media/michigan-states-language-guide-chides-against-using-words-like-america-christmas-tree-bunny?dicbo=v2-ilODX1l

;-)

[Scott O]

Missy - "Why should the Donald be immune from prosecution?"

No one has said he is.
And all those other crimes you mention are the crimes other people have committed and are not related in any way to Trump.
If the best you can do is say other people commit crimes, so Trump must be guilty of a crime...
Really?
I suppose next the Dems will want to dunk Trump in the pond to see if he is a witch.
This country is sliding downhill pretty fast.

[Don Bessee]

An ulterior motive perhaps? -

A source close to the legal team told the Daily Mail the judge will take an “unprecedented step” to silence the 2024 presidential candidate. The gag order could potentially undercut his ability to campaign on the issue of legal corruption during the primary.

“President Trump stands for transparency and our American Constitution, and any attempt to prevent him, the leading candidate for President, from exercising his First Amendment right is a tyrannical, third-world country move which further proves that this is nothing more than a political witch-hunt utilizing a weaponized justice system,” Cheung said. “All Americans should be concerned about their rights being violated and any attempt to obstruct President Trump’s right to use his voice in order to speak truth to power should never be tolerated. The whole targeted crusade is a complete political farce by the Manhattan DA meant to manipulate and interfere with an election

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/04/02/report-manhattan-judge-put-gag-order-donald-trump/

;-)

[Don Bessee]

The deep state has its thumb on the scale of public discourse online and weaponized social media to fit their propaganda narrative. -

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/04/02/researcher-twitters-algorithm-reveals-government-intervention-tool/

;-)

[Misanthrope]

Trump is the ultimate groomer.

Little lies, by little crimes, by little frauds, by little insults; then bigger crimes, insults, lies, and bigger frauds...

and he's got the Trump MAGA over a barrel.

You've been had.

[fish]

Alvin Bragg....the Steve Urkel.....of prosecutors!

https://img1.wsimg.com/isteam/ip/91cef077-7ee6-4994-94e4-dfe34219fac9/72715332-c89d-46bf-88ef-8db8c696233e.jpg/:/rs=w:1280

https://victorygirlsblog.com/a-man-is-shot-twice-and-alvin-bragg-charges-him-with-attempted-murder/

[Misanthrope]

Scoop: Trump raises over $5 million since indictment news.

Trump supporters remind me of the Rajneeshee cultists.

Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, and later as Osho, was an Indian Godman, philosopher, mystic, and founder of the Rajneesh movement. He was viewed as a controversial new religious movement leader during his life.

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/02/trump-indictment-2024-campaign-donations

[Misanthrope]

Fish, wrong page

https://nypost.com/2023/04/02/bragg-wont-charge-wounded-garage-worker-who-shot-suspected-thief/

victorygirl blog? You running your own blog?

[scenes]

Miss Anthrope @7:26AM

In the immortal words of Paul Hogan: "That's not a cult… THAT's a cult."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d24Vebni8JA

https://www.foxnews.com/media/boston-childrens-hospital-director-calls-drastic-increase-capacity-gender-surgeries-minors

https://www.campyatc.com/drag-camp

You might as well encourage body integrity identity disorder and help children have limbs amputated. Adults are a no-brainer for this 'feature'.

You folks are unwell. Full stop.

[fish]

Posted by: Miss fatthrope | 03 April 2023 at 07:56 AM

Bad press got to be too much for him this time I guess......nice!

Blogging.....VictoryGirls.....sure, you should try it some time.

[fish]

U.S. — In a match made in heaven, a beverage that tries to pass itself as beer has hired as its spokesperson a man trying to pass himself off as a woman.

"For decades, we've been putting carbonated backwash in a beer can and pretending it's beer," said Anheuser-Busch CEO Brendan Whitworth. "Who better to represent our brand than a guy throwing on a dress and pretending he's a woman?"

Much like Nevada City's own local pirate who fancies himself a "newsman"......

https://babylonbee.com/news/beverage-pretending-to-be-beer-features-man-pretending-to-be-woman

[scenes]

re: Bud Light.

That is a most peculiar bit of marketing. It's a beer mostly oriented towards dudes in ski boats with dry stacks, a different population than mentally-ill men in makeup.

Now, a Dylan Mulvaney Edition size 14 pump is a thing I can see.

Behold, the future of America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngtCNDgLl4s

[scenes]

...in any case, I have to apologize for bitching about groomers in the Trump Derangement Syndrome thread (You can't fight in here, this is the war room!).

This is for Trump fighting, and for those people that think that DJT is even 1/4 as bad as Lyndon Johnson or the Kennedy brothers in terms of just sheer corruption.

Namaste.

[Misanthrope]

Looking forward to Trump XXXL t-shirts going full Che Guevara with Individual One in a red MAGA beret, sporting a goatee and with the usual "Free Trump's Willy!" or some such nonsense emblazoned on the back.

ROTFLMAO!

[Scott O]

Missy - "Looking forward to Trump XXXL t-shirts going full Che Guevara..."

Bravo for the courage to admit your shirt size.
Now - enough internet for you today, I hear SPD just got in a new shipment of Little Debbies.

[Gregory]

Missy

How many times since 2016 were you as euphoric?

[Bill Tozer]

TDS for sure.
I wondered back in 2021 how the Dems could keep Trump in the forefront for the next four years. TDS is and was the only card they had. Quiver is empty. Just keep pushing Trump as the lead story and blow all the bad news caused by this Administration in the dust. Banking collapse? Trump! Inflation that is decimating the Black and poor communities, as well as the middle class? Trump! Children stuck in failing schools? Ukraine war going bad? China moving to get the BRIC countries (plus South Africa) off the dollar and on the Yuan? Look at Trump!

Add escalating crime, the border crisis, lower quality of life, out of control and unsustainable Federal spending spending with soaring deficits and debt….and without TDS, the Dems are SOL. Trump is their wag the dog Trump card.
They have no bench, nothing to brag about, and please do not look as the destroy America as we know it. Focus on Trump people. Dare not look away. TDS is correct.

Anyone noticed that the leaking of the Court sealed indictment is a crime? I did not think so.

[fish]

I thought democrat mayors didn't care how protestors behaved.....

As Trump Heads to New York, Adams Warns Protesters to Behave

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/trump-heads-new-york-adams-warns-protesters-17876272.php

[Paul Emery]

Once again the fake Libertarian Gregory is expressing his total support for Donald Trump. The Dems are cheering. What can be better news than having the biggest political loser since the 1800's be the Repubs leading candidate for President in '14. This is proof there is a god. (notice lower case "god")

[Paul Emery]

sp President in '24

[Don Bessee]

Its that obvious to everyone except terminal TDS sufferers -

A whopping 76% of CNN poll respondent believed politics played some role in the decision to indict Trump

;-)

[fish]

Posted by: psul Emery | 03 April 2023 at 03:55 PM

psul crawled out of his casket! This is proof there is a God and that he has a sense of humor.

[Scott O]

Paul expresses the typical Democrat line:
"The Dems are cheering. What can be better news than having the biggest political loser since the 1800's be the Repubs leading candidate for President in '14."

Yessir - what indeed can be better news to a Dem?
Among all the problems we face as a nation and a world, the only thing that matters is taking down Trump.
This has always been the way of the left. The situation may go into a hellish nightmare of war and slaughter, but by God, we finally got those bastards we hate.

[Don Bessee]

A little rain on the parade -

Donald Trump's new lawyer successfully got a criminal case against the former president's one-time campaign manager, Paul Manafort, dismissed in the same courthouse where Trump will face charges on Tuesday.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/trumps-new-lawyer-todd-blanche-got-manafort-indictment-dismissed

;-)

[Bill Tozer]

An indictment of Trump has always been baked into the cake. Just like an impeachment where folks were elected to “impeach the mother f@@ker.” The New York lady DA ran on throwing Trump in jail over taxes, but she failed. Bigley. No case. Now this DA.

The DOJ and a FEC commissioner passed on indicting Trump over the Stormy Daniels payment. But, a DA picked up the ball. Priorities and all. This is the same DA that announced last September that he did not have the budget to prosecute 50 murderers. Again, priorities.

When any DA can charge a POTUS for federal crimes, well it’s a game changer. Not constitutional, but who cares.

[Bill Tozer]

On the eve of unsealing the first indictment. For Gregory specifically.

Levin

https://fb.watch/jHpJXm0QKi/

[Gregory]

Punchy 355p

"Once again the fake Libertarian Gregory is expressing his total support for Donald Trump"

I'll interpret that as a request by you to throw you to the curb. You got it.

[Bill Tozer]

‘Libertarian Gregory’ is looking at Trump as an innocent man, something all true Libertarians believe because they steadfastly believe in “innocent until proven guilty.” Sad that TDS has blinded some to this core principle and polluted their minds and values. Like a ship without a rudder carried to and fro by passing winds and currents. Sad.

No cross examination, no witnesses, no defense…yet guilty until proven innocent? That is not the American way, that is not who we are. That is not Libertarian unshakable premises. It’s anti-American. Trump at this moment is an innocent man whether Punchy likes it or not. Principles ahead of personalities.

[Misanthrope]

The Trump show season 2 gets under full swing with the slow speed parade to New York.

This season Trump will portray martyred Jesus.

[Scott O]

"The Trump show season 2 gets under full swing..."

ANYTHING to keep the volk from hearing about the mess our country is in and the unfolding of the facts about the criminality of the Dems and our fed govt.
They really don't want to convict Trump - they just want to keep dragging out this absurd political soap opera.

[Misanthrope]

The mess our country is in, Scott?
What mess would that be, the constant MAGA lies being perpetrated?
Inflation caused by covid supply chain issues and international oil prices that are out of our control?

All MAGAns deal in are lies and conspiracies designed to rile up the volk. It's easily proven because every news outlet says the same, " the sky is falling" BS

https://www.ogj.com/general-
interest/economics-markets/article/14291427/eia-us-to-remain-net-exporter-of-petroleum-products-through-2050

[Burp Burp]

Two out of two. You are batting a 1000 today, Missy.

404 - Page Not Found

Return to Home

[Misanthrope]

Belch, try copying the entire link.

Luddite.

[Gregory]

Missy 928a

"All MAGAns deal in are lies and conspiracies designed to rile up the volk. It's easily proven because every news outlet says the same, " the sky is falling" BS"

Unusual standard of proof there, Missy.
Go back to watching MSNBC... you might otherwise miss the perp frogwalk.

[Gregory]

Punchy 355p

"Once again the fake Libertarian Gregory is expressing his total support for Donald Trump"

Once a'gin, Punchy the fake newsman issues defamations against me and keeps repeating them. He didn't actually quote any statement of mine professing total support for President Trump, or any support for that matter.

I did suggest that TDS sufferers are currently in a rapture over Trump finally being arrested.

BTW, does anyone think it strange that Stormy's lawyer during her brief career as a shakedown artist, who for a time was being floated as a Democratic nominee for President, is in jail for stealing money from clients?

[Scott O]

"The mess our country is in, Scott?"

Yep, the mess our country is in.
Way too damn much debt and unfunded liabilities, highest inflation in decades, industrial output sputtering, increasing unemployment, actual buying power of individuals is falling, our foreign policy consists of empty gestures, posturing, and begging - the list goes on.
And yes - I blame plenty of Republicans as well as pretty much all the Dems for all of this.
The Biden admin is a pathetic dumpster fire of incompetence, corruption and woke insanity.
For all his faults, Trump was the better POTUS and we (and the world) were better off before the Wuhan virus was dumped on us and we dove into an insane self-inflicted attempted national suicide as a response.
The Biden admin's response has been spend trillions more we don't have to buy votes and go after Trump.

[Gregory]

The indictments are public.

Thirty-four counts of "FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE,
in violation of Penal Law §175.10"

Sounds scary. The race is on.

[scenes]

"FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE"

roflmao. That's the bread and butter of a NY property developer, probably of any person worth 8 digits and up.

I think it's time for more excitement. Maybe Trump could not post bail and get stuck in the clink, issued jail clothes, mug shots.

If the Democrats want to push to the next level, lawfare might be the least of the activities coming up. It'll make great TV I think.

[Paul Emery]

Scott

You fail to mention the 7.5 trillion in debt Trump ran up in only four years. Trump entered office inheriting $19.9 trillion in debt. When he left office the debt was $26.9 trillion by the end of the fiscal year in 2020. That was in only four years. thats according to data provided by the U.S. Treasury.

[scenes]

..and to $31 trillion in only two more years. Plus bidenflation. Sweet.

Personally, I think the system is broken, the President doesn't matter. A great big giant country made of grift with fewer people doing work of value to anyone. Everyone wants a big helping of the Little Red Hen's bread.

[fish]

Posted by: scenes | 04 April 2023 at 02:36 PM

Must you always confuse poor psul.......surely you can see that all he can manage is reruns at this point.

[Gregory]

punchy 154p

You fail to mention the last year of Trump had the country in shutdown mode.

Dems are still wearing their badge of courage... a facemask that does nothing against the virus but it does state I Am Not A Republican.

Just came back from a medical orifice and it was mask free. How long that will last is beyond my ken.

[scenes]

"Must you always confuse poor psul.......surely you can see that all he can manage is reruns at this point."

Just go to the search box and hunt for 'Paul debt'. Essentially the same 'point' made over and over. I can't tell if he's serious but he sure is boring for a minstrel.

No doubt I've fallen into the same trap by responding similarly.

re: masks

Hilarious from the start. The few papers on the matter (concerning flu virus) showed how useless they are, plus you add in ill-fitting and poor quality/low filtration.

But, genius move in the 'because I told you so' programming that goes on in modern politics. Like boot camp, get people to follow pointless orders and they'll continue to do so. Forcing them to accept the unacceptable (like K-12 teachergroomers do) is another brilliant move and you can just pile on the crazy and the subject becomes disoriented and depressed.

Modern Leftists will burn out, there's too many contradictions in the system not to, but is it a 5-10 year timeline or a good long one like the Soviets?

[Bill Tozer]

'Let's Go Brandon' rapper releases pro-Trump 'Indicted We Stand'

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/lets-go-brandon-rapper-releases-pro-trump-indicted-we-stand
———
‘Ninth Circuit orders Stormy Daniels pay Trump $121,972.56 in attorney fees’

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/9th-circuit-orders-stormy-daniels-pay-trump-12196256-attorney-fees

[fish]

Posted by: scenes | 04 April 2023 at 03:04 PM

Just go to the search box and hunt for 'Paul debt'. Essentially the same 'point' made over and over. I can't tell if he's serious but he sure is boring for a minstrel.

Yeah.....he is.....good thing that Bad Orange Man came along in time to give his life meaning again.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory writes:

"Trump had the country in shutdown mode"

That was under his leadership right Gregory so it's not an excuse.

[Bill Tozer]

A wise man would show patience and wait another 24 hours before commenting on the indictment after the legal minds have poured over the papers and written their best reviews and opinions. But, why not get a foretaste of a juicy brief summary now? Why not? Spoiler Alert: it’s a dud. Whatcha expect from a county DA?

TRUMP INDICTMENT: AS BAD AS WE THOUGHT

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/04/trump-indictment-as-bad-as-we-thought.php

[Scott O]

Some complete moron:
"That was under his leadership right Gregory so it's not an excuse."

The various governors and mayors that ordered shutdowns did so on their own. Trump had zero legal authority to override them.
Trump did in fact try to encourage reopening as quickly as possible. He had the correct idea.

[Scott O]

BT 5:32 - Of course it's a pathetic charge.
They're just throwing mud and hoping something sticks. And the timing of the charge is obvious.
Get the Biden Crime Family facts off of the front page.

[Gregory]

The sentence I wrote was "You fail to mention the last year of Trump had the country in shutdown mode.", not "Trump had the country in shutdown mode".

A different meaning entirely... it was Dems in Congress leading the demands and squealing like pigs whenever Trump tried to free the economy.

Recall when churches were all but shut down but street demonstrations and riots were given protection from the same rules?

So, again, Paul, will you retract your latest defamations or do you consent to being thrown to the curb when next we meet?

[Don Bessee]

More rain on the parade from a Trump hater no less -

"I if I had to characterize it, it's disappointment. I think everyone was hoping we would see more about the direction that they intend to take this prosecution. What is the legal theory that ties that very solid misdemeanor case 34 counts of misdemeanors to the intent to conceal another crime, which is what makes it a felony?" McCabe said. "It's simply isn't there. Now, it's possible that the DA has an elaborate and solid theory that's backed up by a lot of evidence, and he has just decided to conceal that at this point. That would be a strange decision on his part, but nevertheless I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. At the end of the day if all of our legal friends read this indictment and don't see a way to have felony, it's hard to imagine convincing a jury that they should get there."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/formber-fbi-deputy-director-calls-evidence-case-against-trump-disappointment-simply-isnt-there

;-)

[Don Bessee]

More rain on the parade from a Trump hater no less -

"I if I had to characterize it, it's disappointment. I think everyone was hoping we would see more about the direction that they intend to take this prosecution. What is the legal theory that ties that very solid misdemeanor case 34 counts of misdemeanors to the intent to conceal another crime, which is what makes it a felony?" McCabe said. "It's simply isn't there. Now, it's possible that the DA has an elaborate and solid theory that's backed up by a lot of evidence, and he has just decided to conceal that at this point. That would be a strange decision on his part, but nevertheless I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. At the end of the day if all of our legal friends read this indictment and don't see a way to have felony, it's hard to imagine convincing a jury that they should get there."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/formber-fbi-deputy-director-calls-evidence-case-against-trump-disappointment-simply-isnt-there

;-)

[scenes]

Good Lord, my best guess is that NY gubmint lawyers are all diversity hires.

https://www.scribd.com/document/636104585/Donald-J-Trump-SOF#download&from_embed

The lack of precision, unimportant/impertinent details, use of slang, the thing reads like it was written by one of our NeverTrump amateur 'editorial' writers that Der Union is infested with.

It's the kind of thing I'm normally struck by when reading items written by famous people, they're really not all that intelligent*. Especially in soft subjects, politics, history, current events, prominence seems attached to luck and persistence rather than skill.

*Michelle Obama's Princeton thesis is a perfect example

[Paul Emery]

Gregory Here's your direct quote "You fail to mention the last year of Trump had the country in shutdown mode."

That was Gregory 2:47 today

[Don Bessee]

OH look its raining harder! -

While speaking on CNN on Tuesday, CNN Political Commentator Van Jones stated that Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s case against former President Donald Trump is “a very small pebble” and “not much of a pebble” on its own.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/04/04/van-jones-braggs-case-against-trump-a-very-small-pebble/

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/04/04/cnns-miller-we-whipped-ourselves-up-for-a-seven-year-old-case-against-trump-nobody-wanted-to-go-forward-with/

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/04/04/cnns-cordero-trump-indictment-underwhelming-nothing-new/

;-)

[Gregory]

"Gregory Here's your direct quote "You fail to mention the last year of Trump had the country in shutdown mode."

And your mangling of it was what I was contesting.

You are a f'ing prick.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

This is simple. Was the Country in a shutdown mode during Trumps last year in office?

[Gregory]

This is even simpler, Punch! Was it shut down because Trump wanted it shut down or because every one desperate to keep Trump from a second term wanted it shut down?

[Scott O]

Gregory 9:12 - I'd give it a pass.
You are wrestling with a pig in the mud.
A very dishonest and stupid pig at that.

[Scott O]

re Don 7:40 - McCabe:
"...it's hard to imagine convincing a jury that they should get there."

Not hard to imagine at all.
If Bragg can line up 12 typical mouth-drooling Dems from New Yauwk and rant constantly in court about our "democracy in peril" for a few days, that jury would have Trump executed for parking tickets.

[scenes]

"Not hard to imagine at all."

That's my take.

You simply prosecute from a place with the judge in your pocket and, if there's a jury, a star chamber of like-minded individuals. Orange Hitler is a case where guilty until proven innocent is a thing.

Truth is, anyone with sufficiently complicated taxes and business set-ups can find themselves in this situation. It's not so different from the fix poor people can get in with endless rounds of failure to appears and penny ante drug busts...or Flynn's BS case with the FBI. If you control the Big Machine the state's monopoly on violence is an aimable weapon.

Stage 2 was to put together street armies (urban black youths, crazy transgender activists, crowds outside SCOTUS residences) and *don't* charge them.

Conservatives (ie. people who think what everyone thought 25 years ago) are political babes in the woods. Control of the schools, immigration, the election process, ability to mobilize rowdy masses, and ownership of the bureaucracy gives the Left the victory over civilization, it just takes a while for the obvious to become obvious.

In my mind the interesting bit isn't the upcoming US version of the CCCP, but the outside influences. The Chinese, technology changes, resource depletion and overpopulation. Maybe HAL-9000 will keep the door shut. I can't say that a replay of the 1910s and 20s is in the cards.

[Misanthrope]

“REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS SHOULD DEFUND THE DOJ AND FBI UNTIL THEY COME TO THEIR SENSES,” he wrote on Truth Social. “THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TOTALLY WEAPONIZED LAW ENFORCEMENT IN OUR COUNTRY AND ARE VICIOUSLY USING THIS ABUSE OF POWER TO INTERFERE WITH OUR ALREADY UNDER SIEGE ELECTIONS!”

Defund the Police!

Party over Rule of Law. Sounds about right for the righteous MAGA right.

ROTFLMAO

https://youtu.be/ues8ycOxXKM

[Scott O]

re Little Missy 9:26 - Take it easy there. Looks like the sugar rush has frenzied your noggin.

[scenes]

"THE DEMOCRATS HAVE TOTALLY WEAPONIZED LAW ENFORCEMENT IN OUR COUNTRY"

That doesn't seem 100% right to me, although there's (obviously) different layers of 'law enforcement'.

I'd say that the national police/intelligence forces make up their own political party. Also, they are becoming increasingly powerful due to the opportunities of surveillance tech and an unavoidable throwing off of shackles. Without pushback, the Stasi always tends to metastasize.

At this point, the US Left and it's State Police look to be allies, but there's no guarantee of permanence here. Even in the Soviet Union, I'm not sure that a Party/Army/KGB troika was stable in the long run. To stay out of their bad books, maybe the Republicans need to come to some accommodation with the State Police, maybe a power-sharing deal or a bit of old-fashioned bribery. These things are fluid.

[fish]

Why a Trump-Biden Rematch Is What Many Democrats Want in 2024

Masturbatory material for delicate progressive men......better than Viagra!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-many-democrats-want-a-trump-biden-rematch-in-2024-b62062fe

[scenes]

re: fish@10:15AM

Can't read the article, hard to predict anyway. Can Biden win without COVID? Can Biden win without voting hijinks? Can Trump win with bigly negatives? They're both known quantities now, animal vs. vegetable.

Howza bout Trump/Gabbard? Tulsi is better looking and half as sleazy as her (D) competition in that case.

[Misanthrope]

Ouch!

https://www.facebook.com/687983082/posts/pfbid07J7JrcjcXoxo4Y4DMaSQ2owKon8PUGRdgoq6R2e9aJJp3YxGd98GTLnKVLC9KFWpl/?mibextid=NnVzG8

[Gregory]

Missy 132p

11 comments, not one that suggested there was anything wrong about slipping a skateboard under the front wheel of an approaching bicycle, or consideration for the health of the rider who took what looked to be a painful fall that had the potential for serious or even fatal injury.

Just your style, "Missy".

[Gregory]

So, "Missy", who sure writes like Jeff Pelline, the Former Union Editor:

Your 132p sure looked ill mannered, lacking your usual LOL but with a snarky "ouch" celebrating a nasty fall of a parading bicyclist; a number of commenters failed to wonder how the bicyclist was doing and inquiring about the identity of the person who put the skateboard in the path of the bike; it sure looks to me like an assault with intent to f somebody up.

All's fair in love and politics, is that what you are celebrating? Ugly.

[Scott O]

Missy 1:32 - Let me guess - the skateboarder was "protecting democracy".

The sad thing is as Gregory noticed - that there is a large percentage of Americans that view this violent assault as humorous fun.

[Gregory]

Scotto 512p

A violent felony, possibly more than one, but the DA is busy with turning a few misdemeanors into felonies (or attempting to) to avoid unpleasant statutes of limitation.

[Paul Emery]

So Trump is now the one wanting to defund law enforcement. Here's a direct quote:

""REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS SHOULD DEFUND THE DOJ AND FBI UNTIL THEY COME TO THEIR SENSES,"

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-facing-criminal-charges-calls-defunding-fbi-2023-04-05/

[Gregory]

Not "law enforcement", Punch. The FBI and DOJ... and only until they "come to their senses".

Can't you read?

[Individual Juan]

"come to their senses"? Right, MAGA bison heads, Ashley Babbitt, Large Marge Greene, BoBo Boebert et al. need the FBI and DOJ to come to their sentences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNwotLdiK-I

[Paul Emery]

Do you support that Gregory? Doesn't the FBI and DOJ enforce federal law?

[Bill Tozer]

Whether it is Trump or DeSantis in 2024 nothing, absolutely nothing, will change in our corrupt and weaponized Justice/Intel Industrial Political Weaponize Complexes until the next President gets in there and starts firing those at the top and hold countless people accountable. A good House cleaning is in order. It’s the only way to restore faith in our Lady Justice again.

I vacillate between two theories. One theory is that there is nothing so dangerous (and reckless) as an authoritarian state in fear of losing its power and the second theory they fear no consequences for their actions. While the bummer sticker mantra is ‘No One is Above the Law’ what is not mentioned is ‘No one is below the Law’.

A good house cleaning is in order and past due. It is to save our democracy and nothing less is at stake.

[Paul Emery]

Bill

Do you support defunding the FBI and DOJ ?

[fish]

Yes Bill....do you support defunding the FBI and DOJ ?....well do you, punk....and don't fucking hedge ....Matlock's back in town!!

[Scott O]

Hilarious - Our nation's leftys are supporting the corrupt FBI.
Defunding them would do no good - they'd fire all the local agents and the feds would find billions somewhere else in the budget to keep the DC goon squad running per usual.
Find your kidnapped kid? Sorry. We don't do that anymore - the GOP defunded us.
Send swat teams to terrorize innocent citizens who annoy the Swamp? No proplemo.
Present false evidence to the FISA Court to charge political enemies? We gotcha covered.
Deliberately change email messages to incriminate folks the Swamp doesn't like?
All in a days work.
Ol' J Edgar is smiling up from Hell at the fine work being carried on by the 2 bit punks that sully the good name of law enforcement.
Until our nation decides en mass to hold everyone in govt accountable to our laws and principles of governance per the Constitution, we sink into a morass of 3rd world bickering and corruption.
Most citizens only care these days about getting a heaping helping of Uncle Sugar's handouts and wanting the govt to go after folks they don't like.
History has shown repeatedly it doesn't last long and it doesn't end well.