‘The scariest poll …’

‘Freedom?  We don’t need no stinkin’ freedom’.  Anonymous leftwinger

George Rebane

The Pew Research Center released the latest edition of a poll on free speech that they have been conducting for years.  It contains the latest tranche of evidence that corroborates one of the longtime tenets of Rebane Doctrine – a major fraction of Americans are no longer smart enough to maintain our democratic republic.  Not only that, but the level of dumbth in the population is increasing at an alarming rate.  (more here, H/T to reader)

Over the last five years Pew has posed this poll three times.  “In 2018, Democrats supported free speech by a 57-40 margin, almost identical to the Republican view. They now oppose it by 70-28, a massive shift over the last five years, while Republican views have not changed.”

As RR has held for years, most Dems are true believers in big government that they entrust with managing their (and our) lives with an unending and ever-growing tsunami of regulations, and with the handling of an ever-greater fraction of your finances.  And in recent years they have been convinced by their lamestream media and neo-Marxist politicians that the whole effort to convince new ideological recruits and maintain existing membership is by convincing everyone that allowing people to hear “misinformation” in the public square is inimical to American democracy.  Moreover, those (Republicans) who continue to maintain and support the First Amendment are evil along every social dimension – white supremacists, racists, homophobes, inequitable, non-inclusive, rejecting diversity, … .

Today our progressives and woke contingents are actively working to break down our country from the inside.  As recently as 20 years ago these lame brains were overwhelmingly to be found in our ‘deep state’ bureaucracies and academe.  Now the infection has spread to and runs rampant in K-12 public education, corporatist business enterprises, and the military. 

The bottom line is that most Americans today would be sanguine living in a society where all permitted public speech must first be vetted by a newly established Ministry of Truth and its local offices spread across the land.

Comments

[Gregory]

'Freedom? Freedom is yang worship word. You shall not speak it!'
-Claude William, Omega Glory, old Star Drek

Punchy aka Paul Emery wants the freedom to spread lies without consequences.

[Paul Emery]

How about the lies that Trump spreads Gregory. Once again you don't mention that. Do you believe he is being truthful when he says the election was stolen? What facts does he base that on?

"TRUMP, on the Biden administration: “”That’s what you get when you have a rigged Election.”

TRUMP: “In actuality, the Big Lie was the Election itself.”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-on-jan-6-anniversary-trump-sticks-to-election-falsehoods

[Paul Emery]

Also Gregory, what should the "consequences" be against Trump for lying about the election?

[scenes]

Hmmm. So why would someone be anti-free speech? especially as a mass opinion.

Just to throw out a guess.

If what you believe is simply ridiculous and impossible to justify, you'll generally be against opposing opinions, even to the extent that they are made illegal. If not illegal, cause the badthinkers their jobs, the livelihoods, access to banking, besmirch their home with graffiti. It's all good.

So, if you are justifying sexualized books in K-6 classrooms, the normalcy of Sam Brinton or Grand Admiral Levine, completely open borders, late third trimester abortions, iconoclasm, Drag Queen Nation, and produce a President with obvious old-age mental issues, well, you're gonna want to shut down the opposition as everything you say is ridiculous.

re: psul emery@1:05

"That’s what you get when you have a rigged Election.”
“In actuality, the Big Lie was the Election itself.”

Those both strike me as justifiable opinions. The truth is in the margin somewhere.

In any case, thanks for immediately bringing up Trump in a thread which has little to do with him you stupid little shit.

[scenes]

" you stupid little shit."

Pretty harsh on my part.

Paul, if you move your Trump nonsense back to the Sandbox, I retract this.

Let George choose a topic occasionally for pity's sake.

[Paul Emery]

The topic was lying scenes so it's totally appropriate.

So scenes what is the factual basis for Trump claiming ”That’s what you get when you have a rigged Election.” He is stating that as a fact.

[Gregory]

A half billion Zuckerbucks were poured into election orifices in contested states...

How is that not "rigging"?

The FBI knew the Hunter laptop was real the day the story in the Post broke. Testified to recently in the Congress.

How is that not "rigging"?

[Scott O]

Paul - "The topic was lying..."

And being so well acquainted with lying, Paul assumed it was an invitation for him to jump in.

The election was rigged from even before Trump was sworn in for his oath of office.

Trump wasn't even that conservative or effective as POTUS but being an outsider of the Blob, he was a threat to the established world order.
He had to go.
And the left comically now excuses dirty cops, wealthy white men escaping justice and ongoing institutional racism.

[Paul Emery]

Scott writes:

"The election was rigged from even before Trump was sworn in for his oath of office."

Exactly how was the election rigged Scott? Fake votes, voter suppression etc. To make such a statement you must have some facts to verify your assumption so what are they?

[🐠]

Posted by: scenes | 24 July 2023 at 05:08 PM

Let George choose a topic occasionally for pity's sake.

George can select any topic he likes as long as it concerns Trump.

[Scott O]

"To make such a statement you must have some facts to verify your assumption so what are they?"

They have been brought up repeatedly, Paul. You proudly admit you don't follow the links provided. You dismiss facts that you don't like and you blindly follow the Dems talking points. You really have no clue what the hell is going on and even now deny that the Biden family has been selling out American foreign policy for millions of dollars they have pocketed.

The fact is that it doesn't matter whether or not you believe my assertions. It doesn't change reality - it doesn't change anyone's mind and you can rant and rave, but it looks like you voted for the worst president we've ever had, bar none.

And we notice that every time I post here about you being a liar, you have never once objected.
Because then I'll re-post your lies and you'll have to eat them.
Unless you can come up with more lies to cover the lies you've already told.
Still waiting for proof that the video of Biden fiddling with a young girl's nipple was "doctored" as you claimed.
Still waiting for proof that I "believed all of Trumps lies".

[Scott O]

Paul - "The topic was lying scenes so it's totally appropriate."

Now, I'm going to assume that Paul meant the topic was lying (comma) scenes.
And as we gaze northward to the lede of George's latest post we find that that the topic was actually concerning the American public's increasing embrace of govt censorship.

Care to comment on that, Paul?

[Paul Emery]

Scott, Gregory

Precisely what number of electorial votes would have been shifted to Trump that would then give him the majority that would have made him President. You must know that in order to be so positive he was the rightful winner of the election. What states and how many votes would have shifted

incorporating Gregory's logic I contend Trump "wants the freedom to spread lies without consequences" and both of you support him.

[Michael R. Kesti]

Paul Emery 24July2023 at 01:06 PM

The consequences are that others may use their freedom of speech to refute him and that the electorate may choose whether to again elect him.

[Scott O]

Ah - the freedom to spread lies.

Well, the govt seems to have that freedom and Paul Emery enjoys that freedom, so why shouldn't everyone have that freedom?

If you want to censor information on the basis of not allowing "lies" then we have a sticky problem of what a lie is and just exactly who or what govt agency gets to decide.
History (long past and most recent) has shown that giving the govt the job of determining lies is a fool's errand.
Hunter's laptop is just Russian dis-info!
If you are vaxxed, you won't get covid!

[scenes]

"The topic was lying scenes so it's totally appropriate."

Bullshit. No it's not.

The topic is government restriction of false information online, false being a matter of opinion sometimes. Read George's post. Also, Paul Emery has a strong tendency to conflate 'lie' with 'say something that isn't true'. They are different.

Here's what the topic is not about:

Trump.
Paul Emery.

Unfortunately, Paul Emery makes it his singular mission to make George's blog all about Paul Emery. Trump is Paul Emery's only topic. Paul Emery has found a certain joy in being an 80 year old asshole online but turns out to have a genius for becoming the center of attention. It could be that Paul Emery's experience as a minstrel has made him well suited for this.

Personally, I'm rather sick of Paul Emery and wish he would either stick to the Sandbox and/or George would actively edit his blog. If I remember correctly, there was a dedicated Trump thread for Paul Emery to put his Trump stylings.

[Michael R. Kesti]

Paul Emery 24July2023 at 01:06 PM

The consequences are that others may use their freedom of speech to refute him and that the electorate may choose whether to again elect him.

[scenes]

...and so Dr. Rebane, Paul Emery has once again shifted a discussion from your topic to being about Paul Emery and Trump. This time it only took two posts.

Seriously, if your medical conditions make it difficult to actively edit your web log, I'd be happy to clean it up now and again. At this point, the dominant figure here is not George Rebane, it's Paul Emery.

[Scott O]

Power Line has a good cover on what is now known about how our fed govt has become our Republic's enemy.
If the public is indifferent to this evil, then we can all shrug and get on with life as best we can in the waning days of a free, Constitutional-run govt.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/07/this-elaborate-censorship-conspiracy.php

[Paul Emery]

Scenes

The topic was free speech and I contend that does not include intentional lies such as Trumps contention that the election was stolen from him.

Do you support Trumps contention that the election was stolen?

[Scott O]

Paul - "The topic was free speech and I contend that does not include intentional lies"

Do you mean to include the ones you tell, Paul?

[fishanthrope]

Do you support Trumps contention that the election was stolen?

It's weird.....like applying a mild shock to a captive squid ....next thing you known he squirting ink all over the tank.

[Gregory]

Questions asked that Paul chose to ignore:
"A half billion Zuckerbucks were poured into election orifices in contested states...

How is that not "rigging"?

The FBI knew the Hunter laptop was real the day the story in the Post broke. Testified to recently in the Congress.

How is that not "rigging"? "

[Paul Emery]

Can you provide a link to that number Gregory? Also specifically what elections did it effect and how many electoral votes ? We're talking about the Presidential at this time.

[Gregory]

I am gobsmacked at Emery's professed lack of knowledge of perhaps the biggest rigging of all time of a presidential election.

[George Rebane]

I notice that no one has yet to consider the elephant in this post. Why is it that significantly more Democrats are for autocratic social orders in which government controls what we may hear and speak. This points to a massive character deficiency in a significant fraction of our population which is also attracted to a political party and ideology that are intrinsically evil.

[Scott O]

Gregory 10:32 - "I am gobsmacked at Emery's professed lack of knowledge"

Why are you surprised? The average American relying on the LSN will hear about none of this. The suppression of reality is that pervasive. There are still millions that believe the "Trump collusion with Russia" story.
Look at Paul's idea of govt censorship as a good thing when some one he doesn't like says something he doesn't like.
Growing up I had always wondered at how the Germans could be so blind as to what was going on in the 30s. Now I see the same thing all around me in this country.

[Scott O]

George - "no one has yet to consider the elephant in this post"

Considered and understood as a given long ago. The Dems tend strongly towards the collective and the ever increasing centralization of fed power. It follows that the Bill Of Rights stands in the way of the "progressives" march toward their utopia/hell.

[Gregory]

George, Democrats are currently in control of popular culture, education (such as it is) and the news industry.

The current hobgoblin, Climate Change, rares its ugly head generally in midsummer. When the weather is expected to be hot.

I left the Democratic Party in the early '80's when it was clear they'd abandoned their founder, Thomas Jefferson, in favor of Karl Marx, Mao and Marcuse. Yes, the intrinsically evil.

Punchy is able to ignore all news that he'd like to ignore.

[fishathrope]

Posted by: Gregory | 25 July 2023 at 11:04 AM

Punchy is able to ignore all news that he'd like to ignore.

“Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.”

― George Orwell, 1984

Punch would have been an exemplary citizen of Oceana. Exemplary!

[fishanthrope]

Kevin is lying....

McCarthy Hints At Biden Impeachment Over Crimes Trump Was Impeached For Asking About

Frankly I think the democrats would be thrilled if this happened! Eliminate their Biden problem for them!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mccarthy-hints-biden-impeachment-over-thing-trump-impeached-asking-about

[Gregory]

fishthroat 1147a

That would leave Actual Hitler* free to win in '24.

Trump's first impeachment trial was in essence proven to be false with the latest relevations of Burisma malfeasances. We shall see if the decision is formally reversed.

*Tongue is firmly in cheek.

[Scott O]

Gregory 12:16 - "That would leave Actual Hitler* free to win in '24"

You are aware, of course, that ANYONE - including Romney - who runs on the R ticket for POTUS is automatically "literally Hitler".

The Dems really need to come up with a new evil superlative - the Hitler one is getting boring.

[Gregory]

There's always the quantitatively worse Lenin, Stalin and Mao, but as long as Dems glorify leftist evil, they're off limits.

The hammer and sicle should be as verboten as the swastika.

[Individual Juan]

The only way Republicans can win elections is by flooding the airwaves and social media with falsities.
It is unfortunate that it has come to this but since Republicans have no moral or ethical bar below which they will not stoop to deceive the voting public, drastic measures must be taken.

[Gregory]

The psychopathy is strong with this one.

A job for Camper Van Beethoven:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INnFvMgET1E

[Gregory]

So, "Individual" (1008a)... have you ever posted here under the name mandersonation/Michael P. Anderson?

[Scott O]

"flooding the airwaves and social media with falsities."

Yeah, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, PBS, and CBS are just filled with right wing stuff.

Of course Juan can't come up with a single example.

Nice try little boy, play again soon?

Buh Bye.

[Paul Emery]

So Gregory you have a problem with someone not using their real name but no problem with fishole doing the same. | 28 July 2023 at 10:55 AM

[fishanthrope]

Posted by: psul Embot | 28 July 2023 at 12:28 PM

It seems only fair that if you get to whine incessantly about me posting under a pseudonym Gregory is allowed to ask whether or not Michael has decided to join us again.

[Gregory]

Punch, I have a problem with psychopaths posting bizarre rants under pseudonyms.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

That of course must also apply to fishhole who infects this blog daily

[fishanthrope]

Posted by: psul Empty | 28 July 2023 at 02:41 PM

psul world: Anything he doesn't like on George's blog = bizarre rant under a pseudonym.

So embarrassingly predictable ....

[Gregory]

" It is unfortunate that it has come to this but since Republicans have no moral or ethical bar below which they will not stoop to deceive the voting public, drastic measures must be taken."

Something equivalent from fishholio, please, or shut the f up, punch.

[Paul Emery]

If fishholes opinions are so reasonable Gregory than why does he have to use pseudonyms? He should be proud of his opinions and willing to share them using his real name. Why do you think he doesn't do that Gregory?

[fishanthrope]

Posted by: psul Emetic | 28 July 2023 at 03:54 PM

I'm not the only poster here who uses a pseudonym.

[Scott O]

fishing with rope - "I'm not the only poster here who uses a pseudonym"

By now you must have noticed that Paul has no set morals, principles, or ethics. If he agreed with you it wouldn't matter.
He's such a joke. Surprised you even bother to engage with him on this non-topic.
He only makes it an issue with you because he has no intelligent argument to rebut you.

[Gregory]

I used my full name everywhere until Doug Keachie did to me what you're so hot to do against fish.

[🐠]

Posted by: Scott O | 28 July 2023 at 04:51 PM

Surprised you even bother to engage with him on this non-topic.

Wings, flies……

[Individual Juan]

Pot, Meet Kettle

https://apnews.com/article/libraries-books-bans-arkansas-758f28c04c573d03b869ad2738e2b06d

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — Arkansas is temporarily blocked from enforcing a law that would have allowed criminal charges against librarians and booksellers for providing “harmful” materials to minors, a federal judge ruled Saturday.

Perhaps we should burn them... for the children's sake

[Scott O]

Juan 5:58 - Don't worry, dude - if you want to show porn to little kids, the Dems have your back. And you can wag your junk in public as long as you claim you're not a man.
Not sure what you perverts are upset about.

[Individual Juan]

Right Scott, Boebert's ex tried weenie waggin' in front of some girls. Must be the deep state had it in for him.

Remember the V-Chip to protect the youngins? Now Republicans are going more Taliban every day.

[Individual Juan]

Perfect example of someone who should just STFU - but won't because MAGA is about freedom - to BS

https://www.smerconish.com/daily-poll/

[Individual Juan]

Opps, another big lie attempt by Republicans comes back to bite them in the ass,

https://apnews.com/article/trump-cnn-defamation-florida-lawsuit-dismissed-4aa93cf5264405fbb6b0b87bbf21f695

Got his ass fact checked, lol

[fishanthrope]

Boebert's ex tried weenie waggin' in front of some girls.

You'd think TEAM D would be recruiting him like crazy. Your kind of folx!

[Individual Juan]

Nope, slippery eel, your ilk owns BoBo Ex - and proud of it!

[Individual Juan]

Nope, slippery eel, your ilk owns BoBo Ex - and proud of it!

[fishanthrope]

Posted by: Individual Juan | 30 July 2023 at 10:06 AM

Well there is just no denying just how much progressives worship and fawn over sex pests. Something you want to get off your chest?

[Individual Juan]

No, wet eel, you?

[Scott O]

"Boebert's ex tried weenie waggin' in front of some girls."

Sounds like the kind of guy the Dems stand by the side of the road and cheer on!
Even Snopes confirmed it.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/seattle-pride-parade-naked/
Sorry Juan - conservatives don't cheer on men exposing themselves to children - Dems and Lefties do.
You own the pervs, dude.
Fact.

[Gregory]

And only Democrats cheer the vivisectioning of healthy kid's genitals to excise their nasty bits before puberty is in full swing.

[Scott O]

Gregory 3:41 - It's interesting that the Dems are so proud of that until you point it out and then they start denying it.
Just like CRT.
Shows how perverted and sick the left has become.
I remember the Dems in the 70s would never have put up with a man exposing himself to underage girls and now they champion it and tell the underage girls to get used to it.
Sick.

[Gregory]

It's very similar to CRT... Critical Gender Theory has the same basic goals.

[fishanthrope]

Posted by: Individual Juan | 30 July 2023 at 02:55 PM

No, wet eel, you?

Well, it's just that you are so fervent about the aberrant sexual stuff....whether it's championing ugly middle aged white guys dressing up as women and shaking their equipment at children or complaining that the residents of another state might want a say in how their tax dollars are spent (whether books that will remain available to adults through various sources should be made available to children in public and school libraries) and you think that's just so mean.

It certainly wouldn't be unheard of for a biological male....later in life (say a little past 60) to develop an interest in some of the kinkier aspects of life. Certainly this wouldn't be shameful to the denizens of your fair burgh. I'm sure they would be accepting (at least publicly) of whatever fetish you may have developed. Your wife would likely be fine with it as well ....just not for the reason you would have preferred.

It really out of character for a person who didn't have any personal interest in the issues you are constantly defending to get as worked up over them as you do so I'll ask again.....is there anything you want unburden yourself of? You can tell Dr. Fishanthrope.

[Individual Wang]

Dr. Fishanti-thrope

Can we go camping?

[Individual Pawn]

Who Is Michel Foucault? The Intellectual Root of CRT and Radical Gender Ideology

https://intellectualtakeout.org/2023/07/who-is-michel-foucault/

[Individual Yawn]

Does anyone find it rather peculiar that our corrupt Justice Department wanted to send Devon Archer to prison right before his testimony before Congress? Can’t testify if you are under lock and key.

[Scott O]

Actually, the JD stated they wanted to wait until after he had testified. It is a reminder to him that he will be put in jail afterwards and you know how cameras don't work in jails. So - be careful how you do that testifying. It's a closed session and the summer recess follows so I doubt much will come out.
Like the guy from Ukraine said - "It would take 10 years to untangle where all the money went".
There are dozens of SARs to wade through and looking at the bank records and tax returns of the lawyer who paid Hunter's tax bill might be a good idea. Was that a gift or a loan?
Anyway Joe has returned to his actual job of sitting out on the beach slurping ice cream.

[Individual Juan]

A fine "upstanding" Evangelical, the backbone of conservatism,

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/04/pastor-said-god-wanted-underage-girl-spouse-church-approved/

[Individual Prawn]

Posted by: Individual Juan | 31 July 2023 at 01:23 PM

A fine "upstanding" Evangelical, the backbone of conservatism

If it had been an underaged boy you would have celebrated it. Than Franthisco valuths again.

[Gregory]

Michel Foucault, the patron saint of LGBTQwerty+++dom, was a real sick f*ck who raped little brown boys after he came down with AIDS. What fun!

Postmodern is post rational.

Jeff, there are sick f*cks everywhere. Don't make it worse.

[Individual Ham]

Roll your own

[Scott O]

Juan 1:23 - Visit that web site often, Juan? You can be honest, we'll understand.

Finding stories like this and then using them to castigate an entire group who have nothing to do with it is really childish BS, but if it's all you have to go with...

How many teachers have been caught with kiddies? Teachers are totally in the bag for the Dems and vice versa. When all you do is try to throw mud, you end up with it on your face.