Sandbox – 5aug23

[Can anyone give a cogent reason why Trump is being prosecuted for speaking openly against the validity of the 2022 election that put Joe Biden in the White House?  All the man did was exercise his 1A rights, and that included asking Georgia’s governor to review his state’s vote count to see if he could come up with more Trump votes.  He blackmailed no one; he threatened no one; he just gave lip service to his opinions and beliefs to see if there was any legal and non-violent way he could change the outcome of the election.  According to our Constitution anyone can do that, and Democrats have already demonstrated that such opposition to election outcomes are perfectly legal.  gjr]

Comments

[Gregory]

Fresh litter!

It's thoughtcrime, George.

[Paul Emery]

So George if Pence would have done what Trump asked and delayed the transfer of the Presidency who would have been the President in the interim and for how long?

[Individual Juan]

Really George, you are going with the Fox News excuse that he only exercised his 1st amendment rights?

That not all he did. He "conspired".

"There are at least two reasons Trump’s alleged actions are not protected speech. One is that Smith repeatedly accuses Trump of pressuring other government officials to commit criminal acts of election fraud, and it is well established that soliciting another individual to commit a crime is not protected by the First Amendment. As the Supreme Court held in United States v. Williams (2008), “offers to engage in illegal transactions are categorically excluded from First Amendment protection.”

Trump, for example, may not pressure a state elections official to “find” fraudulent votes that will change the electoral result in that state, for the same reason that he could not legally tell a hit man, “I will give you $50,000 if you kill my wife.” In both cases, Trump is engaged in speech. But the fact that this speech solicits another person to commit a specific crime generally removes it from the First Amendment’s protections."

Additionally, Smith repeatedly alleges that Trump “knew” that he was spreading lies when he claimed that he had prevailed in 2020, or that the outcome of the 2020 election was in doubt. This matters because the Supreme Court has held that the First Amendment is especially weak when applied to false statements made “with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.”

In fairness, the Supreme Court did say in United States v. Alvarez (2012) that some lies are protected speech. But Alvarez also indicates that “where false claims are made to effect a fraud or secure moneys or other valuable considerations, say offers of employment, it is well established that the Government may restrict speech without affronting the First Amendment.”

We all know that Trump received millions in donations based on his lies about him being "robbed" of the Presidency.

https://www.vox.com/2023/8/2/23817444/trump-indictment-first-amendment-supreme-court-lies-solicitation

[Individual Juan]

Even Trump's handpicked Attorney General thinks there is a case against Trump,

https://news.yahoo.com/william-barr-blasts-claims-trump-030840514.html

[Individual Juan]

We know that Trump is a psychopathic liar but when it goes from his usual string of BS to actions is where he crossed the line.

"Having established that the First Amendment is capacious enough even to cover false speech, the indictment proceeds to outline charges of conspiracy and obstruction. Following long-established precedents, it thus moved the focus from the questionable words that Trump spoke to what it alleges to be his illegal actions.

As duplicitous as it might be, some individuals routinely lie. If lies destroy another person’s reputation, the person has the right to sue for slander or libel. If lies are uttered in court while under oath, the court may issue penalties for perjury even though the same lies, spoken out of court, would not be criminal. An individual who openly wishes that all politicians would drop dead does not have the same legal culpability as one who hires a hitman or plans an assassination.

Actions involving the 2020 presidential election, like most human activities, involved conversations. It is difficult to engage in a conspiracy without speaking, but the speech, without its tie to actions or intended actions, would be constitutionally protected. There is a big difference between claiming, even falsely, that an election was rigged, that it was unfair, or that it was fraudulent and plotting to “find” nonexistent votes, to obstruct congressional proceedings during which electoral votes are to be counted, to overturn electoral results by conspiring to draw up lists of fake electors and have them submitted to Congress, or to pressure one’s vice president to convert a purely ministerial vote-counting function into a discretionary power to thwart electoral results.

To draw a comparison, as an ex-president, Trump has every right to claim that the system of classifying documents is too rigid, that it should not apply to ex-presidents, or even that he could declassify a document simply by wishing it so. This has not kept him from being indicted on charges that he took such documents with him after leaving the White House, lied about having them, and attempted to conceal their existence."

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/post/4440/trump-s-indictment-and-his-first-amendment-rights

[Individual Prawn]

Ooooh…..three hard hitting news-like stories….that’s so impressive.

Good to see both you and ”he who shall not be named” still pretending to be media types.

[Gregory]

Eva Prawn 140p

Had this piece run in December 2020 rather than February '21, the so-called "Insurrectionists" would have showed up with their firearms, and in larger numbers:
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

[Gregory]

"We know that Trump is a psychopathic liar..."

No "we" don't.

We do know that Jeff Pelline is a narcissistic liar. And Joe Biden has a string of lies going back decades.

Most of Trump's lies are those one might suspect from a real estate guy from Queens.

[Paul Emery]

Does anyone want to take on this question?

"if Pence would have done what Trump asked and delayed the transfer of the Presidency who would have been the President in the interim and for how long?"

[Don Bessee]

Hes baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak @ 400 LOL

;-)

[Scott O]

Paul - "Does anyone want to take on this question?"

Why should anyone do that?
You won't answer any questions.
Go sit on a sharp stick and think about it.
Those are the new rules.

[🐠]

Does anyone want to take on this question?

Man I’d love to but without knowing who asked the question….

Just can’t take the risk.

[Gregory]

https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/01/evidence-of-biden-burisma-corruption-is-overwhelming/

The word will get out.

[The Estonian Fox]

from USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/08/04/is-los-angeles-homelessness-plan-working/70445500007/

"Los Angeles' attempt to reduce street homelessness is the largest of many programs being rolled out across the country.

Over 10,000 people have been transported in vans from city sidewalks to temporary housing during Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass' administration in an effort to bring people indoors and give them access to running water, electricity and shelter from the elements.

But most residents who participated in Bass' Inside Safe program this year remain homeless, stuck in one of nearly 20 hotels across Los Angeles, waiting to be connected with an apartment of their own, according to data from the mayor's office."

from fish 11/17/22 7:19AM:
Karen Bass (new mayor of Los Angeles) To the people of our city, my message is this:
1. We are going to solve homelessness.
2. We are going to prevent and respond urgently to crime.
3. Our city is no longer going to be unaffordable for working families.
4. And know this — that work has already begun.
I’ll take “No we’re not, no we’re not, yes it will, and no it hasn’t” for $800 Alex!

Bass said (no, no, no, she THOUGHT) Solving people problems would be so easy if only THOSE DAMN PEOPLE would listen to me!

That's why you take engineering instead of sociology - the engineering problems are generally solvable in a human lifetime.

[Paul Emery]

Anybody other than the Circle of Jerks willing to take on this question?

"if Pence would have done what Trump asked and delayed the transfer of the Presidency who would have been the President in the interim and for how long?"

[Scott O]

Gregory - "The word will get out."
Not to Juan and Paul. Ever.
It really is hopeless. The problem isn't Biden's corruption. He's been corrupt for decades. He will be pulled and put out to pasture before the election. It's the whole deep state corruption. Once the IRS and the Justice Dept are corrupted to the extent they are, you will never be able to get rid of the rot. They can't let the rot be exposed for everyone to see and they have the power to crush any attempt to do that. It would take an awakened American public to call for the abolishment of the these institutions and that isn't going to happen. Look at the manufactured panic over "climate change". It's all horse shit, but onward we go into the darkness.
There will be small battles won here and there but the war is already lost. 3 generations of govt school functional idiot-bots and more coming all the time. The vast majority of Americans have no idea of basic physics and economics, let alone being functionally literate and able to formulate a reasoned argument.

[🐠]

Anybody other than the Circle of Jerks willing to take on this question?

Why would you ask that question here…..whoever you are?

[Scott O]

E Fox 5:27 - Remember that Newsom claimed he would solve the "homeless problem" as mayor of SF. Of course he failed and the CA voters promoted him to governor.
Then Newsom wanted the whole world to come to CA and enjoy free health care but when a very, very small percentage of them did, Newsom started crying poverty.
https://news.yahoo.com/gavin-newsom-invites-worlds-homeless-110000209.html
What happened to the millions that the Dems promised to the blacks in CA?
Karen Bass is just a continuance of the same 'ol same 'ol.
Just promise BS and then start the blame game once you're in power.

[Don Bessee]

Gee what a stand up crackhead -

Hunter gave Biden 'green light' to acknowledge his child to 'negate a Republican line of attack,' sources say

https://www.foxnews.com/media/hunter-gave-biden-green-light-acknowledge-child-negate-republican-line-attack?dicbo=v2-9Gy2alv

;-)

[🐠]

Well it’s official.....the blog about being a pirate (now with more Masters Degree) in the dead of winter is officially published biannually.....although I would guess annually remains a distinct possibility.

Keep you posted.

So, as he flies the Blue Lady of the Blogosphere into the sunset, we say “aloha” Five o’clock jeffy, and return to our duties. Let me remind you, the Internet is open twenty-four hours for your dining and dancing pleasure.

[Gregory]

A substack truly worth reading
https://sashastone.substack.com/p/yes-david-brooks-you-are-the-bad#details

[🐠]

Biden Energy Secretary Secretly Consulted Top Chinese Energy Official Before SPR Release, Sales To Hunter Biden-Linked Chinese Energy Giant

“Does anyone want to take on this question?”……wait, let me rephrase ….”Anybody other than the Circle of Jerks willing to take on this question?”

Is there anyone working for Team Senile who isn’t a wholly owned subsidiary of the Chinese government?

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/biden-energy-secretary-secretly-consulted-top-chinese-energy-official-spr-release-sales

[Paul Emery]

At least Mitch McConnell has it right about Trumps involvement in Jan 6. Here's a direct quote:

"“there is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day,” and that “a mob was assaulting the Capitol in his name. These criminals were carrying his banners, hanging his flags, and screaming their loyalty to him.”

Here's another quote from McConnell:

"“It was a violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next,”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/sen-mitch-mcconnell-rebukes-rnc-calls-jan-6-violent-insurrection

[Gregory]

That's a quote from over a year and a half ago. Got any newer punches?

[Scott O]

Paul 10:49 - That's just an opinion without a shred of evidence.
It's worthless.
Try again.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory, Scott

It's the opinion of Mitch McConnell, top Republican in the Senate. Are you believers that the election was rigged like what Trump believes?

[Gregory]

punch, I don't know how Trump thinks the election was rigged. I do tend to believe how these Democrats say they rigged it:
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

[Paul Emery]

Interesting piece Gregory. This is what
Molly Ball said in closing in the link to Time magazine you provided.

"Trump addressed the crowd that afternoon, peddling the lie that lawmakers or Vice President Mike Pence could reject states’ electoral votes. He told them to go to the Capitol and “fight like hell.” Then he returned to the White House as they sacked the building. As lawmakers fled for their lives and his own supporters were shot and trampled, Trump praised the rioters as “very special.”

It was his final attack on democracy, and once again, it failed. By standing down, the democracy campaigners outfoxed their foes. “We won by the skin of our teeth, honestly, and that’s an important point for folks to sit with,” says the Democracy Defense Coalition’s Peoples. “There’s an impulse for some to say voters decided and democracy won. But it’s a mistake to think that this election cycle was a show of strength for democracy. It shows how vulnerable democracy is.”

https://time.com/author/molly-ball/

[Paul Emery]

Interesting piece Gregory. This is what
Molly Ball said in closing in the link to Time magazine you provided.

"Trump addressed the crowd that afternoon, peddling the lie that lawmakers or Vice President Mike Pence could reject states’ electoral votes. He told them to go to the Capitol and “fight like hell.” Then he returned to the White House as they sacked the building. As lawmakers fled for their lives and his own supporters were shot and trampled, Trump praised the rioters as “very special.”

It was his final attack on democracy, and once again, it failed. By standing down, the democracy campaigners outfoxed their foes. “We won by the skin of our teeth, honestly, and that’s an important point for folks to sit with,” says the Democracy Defense Coalition’s Peoples. “There’s an impulse for some to say voters decided and democracy won. But it’s a mistake to think that this election cycle was a show of strength for democracy. It shows how vulnerable democracy is.”

https://time.com/author/molly-ball/

[Paul Emery]

Interesting piece Gregory. This is what
Molly Ball said in closing in the link to Time magazine you provided.

"Trump addressed the crowd that afternoon, peddling the lie that lawmakers or Vice President Mike Pence could reject states’ electoral votes. He told them to go to the Capitol and “fight like hell.” Then he returned to the White House as they sacked the building. As lawmakers fled for their lives and his own supporters were shot and trampled, Trump praised the rioters as “very special.”

It was his final attack on democracy, and once again, it failed. By standing down, the democracy campaigners outfoxed their foes. “We won by the skin of our teeth, honestly, and that’s an important point for folks to sit with,” says the Democracy Defense Coalition’s Peoples. “There’s an impulse for some to say voters decided and democracy won. But it’s a mistake to think that this election cycle was a show of strength for democracy. It shows how vulnerable democracy is.”

https://time.com/author/molly-ball/

[George Rebane]

All carefully selected quotes aside, does anyone really have evidence or even believe that Trump fomented a "violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power"? There's no doubt that Trump did believe that the election was rigged, and that he tried to convince various officials to continue looking for evidence of that and discover additional votes for him in the process. But since there is no evidence of collusion or conspiracy to produce such non-existent votes, his efforts in this pursuit consisted of nothing but 1A free speech of his beliefs no matter how erroneous. Successfully making that into a trumped-up criminal behavior and indicting him for it has now set a precedent for future indictments of ALL politicians for their erroneous beliefs whether expressed in public or private. Only the non-democratic Democrats will benefit from this evil and historically new practice, America and Americans will lose.

[Gregory]

Yes, Punch, it is an interesting piece, and that was perhaps the sixth time I'd posted the link here. Made you look. Also, that Ms Ball thought she was one of the good guys was a given.

George, of course I don't think Trump fomented a violent insurrection for the purpose of thwarting the peaceful transition of power.

[Scott O]

Paul 2:13 - I don't care whose opinion it is. An opinion about what some one else believes is not a fact. And he provides no facts. If you believe something and testify in court as to that opinion, does it matter if 100 other people claim that they think you don't really believe it? Does that alter what you believe?

And the "fight like hell" is taken out of context - he exhorted the crowd to be peaceful. Anyone who leaves that part out is simply a liar and has no credibility.

A Democrat never-Trumper lawyer has already opined this is a baseless political bunch of non-sense.

"Trump praised the rioters as “very special.”"
I would suspect that is also taken out of context. I would need to see when and where he said it - and why.

[Gregory]

"And the "fight like hell" is taken out of context - he exhorted the crowd to be peaceful. Anyone who leaves that part out is simply a liar and has no credibility."

Peaceful AND patriotic.

It's called lying by omission. Paul does it a lot.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory, do you support the Constitutionality of Pence not certifying the election on Jan 6 as Trump asked him to do? Pence of course refused saying it was not Constitution to do so.

From Face the Nation:

"One of the allegations against Trump is that he attempted to enlist Pence to use his ceremonial role in affirming the electoral vote count on Jan. 6 to "fraudulently overturn the results of the election." Pence has said Trump went beyond asking him to pause the count for an audit and urged him to reject the Biden electors outright, in the hopes of tipping the election in Trump's favor.

"There was no discretion ever given to the vice president in history, nor should there ever be," Pence told "Face the Nation." "I had no right to overturn the election and Kamala Harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 2024."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mike-pence-face-the-nation-trump-2020-election-interview/

[Don Bessee]

Talking to ghosts again creepy grampa joe? Senior abuse it be -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-appears-to-get-lost-in-graveyard-on-way-to-delaware-mass/ar-AA1eSDAe?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=55f0045ad5e34e1abadd05fd300b8957&ei=23

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Bidenomics eh its all great for the 1% and the wokesters that run the creepy grampa joe admin! -

Kraft Heinz volumes sink as consumers push back on higher prices
The maker of Heinz ketchup, Velveeta, and Jell-O is the latest company to highlight consumers becoming more cost-conscious.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/finance/news/kraft-heinz-volumes-sink-as-consumers-push-back-on-higher-prices-170645273.html

;-)

[🐠]

Pence of course refused saying it was not Constitution to do so......

Yeah man...that’s like totally not Constitution man! Totally!

....and people wonder why I visit RR’s?

[Scott O]

Paul 10:07 - Trump asked Pence - Pence said no.
Wow.
Pretty damn scary, Paul.

[Paul Emery]

Scott

Who would have been President in the interim if Pence would have said yes to Trumps request and for how long ?

[Scott O]

Paul - I thought I had made it plain to you. Go sit on a sharp stick and think about it.

[Individual Juan]

Trump's lawyer, John Lauro, said, "If Trump committed 'a technical violation of the Constitution,' it's not a crime."

Hmmm.

Trump must be getting near the bottom of the barrel of scum sucking bottom dwellers willing to represent him in court.

So, like, if I run a stop sign, it's like just a technical violation of the Motor Vehicle Constitution, man.

[fishanthrope]

Just keep asking the same question over and over until you get an answer you don't like......

If only you could see my shocked face Punchybot!

[Gregory]

Jeffie Pellini sez 1116a:

"Trump must be getting near the bottom of the barrel of scum sucking bottom dwellers willing to represent him in court."

Why? He found a lawyer who knew the Constitution didn't contain criminal statutes?

Under the constitution, just what is the punishment for telling what is later determined to be a lie by a court of law?

Extra credit... does a jury have to be unanimous that it was a lie, or does a jury just have to decide by a bare majority?

[Paul Emery]

Interesting none of you are willing to answer that question. Probably because the answer is Trump would be reinstalled indefinably.

On another topic Trump is going to spend over 60,000,000 on his legal defense which will come from the likes of Scott, Gregory, fishhole and Bessee, the last remaining of the Circle of Jerks.

[fishanthrope]

Probably because the answer is Trump would be reinstalled indefinably.

Always in such a hurry to be a pompous ass that you constantly fuck up your posts!

indefinably......?

[Paul Emery]

"indefinitely" is correct. Thanks fishhole . Is that the correct spelling for your name fishhole?

[Gregory]

Not a penny from my pocketses to Trump... I'll trust the upcomin' to sort things out.

And Trump's oath of office in Jan 2017 expired in Jan 2021... no "indefinably" about it.

Punch... you are an idiot.

[🐠]

"indefinitely" is correct. Thanks fishhole . Is that the correct spelling for your name fishhole?

Who is this?

[Don Bessee]

Do tell!

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/08/07/facebook-files-fbi-lied-about-extensive-meetings-with-zuckerbergs-platform-about-hunter-biden-laptop-from-hell/

;-)

[Individual Juan]

Greggy@1205

In the context of the United States Constitution, there is no specific punishment outlined for telling something later deemed a law by a court. The Constitution primarily focuses on protecting individual rights, outlining the powers and structure of government, and establishing the rule of law. The specific punishments for any given offense are typically defined in statutory or case law at the federal and state levels. If you have a specific legal concern, it's advisable to consult with a qualified attorney familiar with the relevant laws in your jurisdiction.

...Follow me for more legal advice

[Individual Juan]

In the first sentence 'law' should be 'lie'

[Individual Prawn]

"In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: The police, who investigate crime, and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories."

...Follow me for more advice about legal shit on TV.

[Gregory]

Blurttthpppht!

I wouldn't follow you for journalism tips, Jeff. Neither would anyone else.

[Don Bessee]

What a maroon at 216 ROFLOL

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Who would think this a good idea? Well ok the dark lord of liberal lament land would. -

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/08/07/green-madness-leftist-scottish-govt-cut-down-16-million-trees-to-put-up-wind-farms/

;-)

[Scott O]

Paul 12:43 - "On another topic Trump is going to spend over 60,000,000 on his legal defense which will come from the likes of Scott, Gregory, fishhole and Bessee,..."

More lies from Paul Emery.

Did you lie like this when you read the news at KVMR - is that why they threw you out?

[Don Bessee]

The big guy -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-letter-devon-archer-underscores-his-closeness-hunter-bidens-business-activities

;-)

[Paul Emery]

Scott

According to the Washington Post Trump has spend $40 million in legal fee's just this year so far and that's just part of it.

"WASHINGTON, July 30 (Reuters) - Former U.S. President Donald Trump's political action committee is expected to report on Monday that it has spent about $40 million in legal fees in the first half of 2023 to defend Trump and his advisers, among others, the Washington Post reported.

The New York Times separately reported that the PAC has sought the return of $60 million it made to another group supporting Trump, a candidate for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/former-us-president-trump-has-spent-40-million-legal-fees-reports-2023-07-30/

[Gregory]

scotto
"Did you lie like this when you read the news at KVMR - is that why they threw you out?"

A reckless disregard for the truth doesn't just happen.
I've never made a contribution to ANY Republican political campaign... but Punchy keeps punching the same places anyway.

[Scott O]

Sure glad that Biden has that debt problem under control:

"...the US Treasury Department’s quarterly net-borrowing estimates for the second half of 2023 just came out, and that number is a sickening $1.85 TRILLION."

And that doesn't include the trillions that will be needed to pay it back.

Almost 2T in 6 months.

Don't worry - our Treasury Dept's printing presses are the fastest in the world.

"So, there you have it, American monetary genius: “We can solve a debt problem with more debt.”"

Isn't that what American nit-wits do when they max their credit card - go get another card?

The funniest part is that the leftists will complain that the "rich are getting richer".

Well - DUH!!!!

That equates to the slob that hangs around his back yard swilling beer complaining that his neighbor that goes to the gym keeps getting fitter while he just gets fatter.

It just ain't fair!
https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/keeping-your-head-amidst-debt-blind-madness

"In fact, debt destroys nations. And not just sometimes, but every time.
Such destruction, hiding in plain sight, is creepy, because, well…it creeps up on us slowly, and then—all at once."

[Scott O]

Gregory 5:12 - "I've never made a contribution to ANY Republican political campaign..."

And Paul Emery has been informed of that about you and myself on more than one occasion, yet he continues his open barrage of lies here in a public square arena on a regular basis.
I would think KVMR was aware of his lack of honesty and that they would be prone to remove him from their ranks.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

You contribute by your silence and lack of support to any Libertarian principals when it comes to Trump when you refuse to speak out against him. For example the Libertarians claim to support the Constitution yet when Trump openly ignores it when he tries to steal the election by advocating fake electors intended to be installed when Pence halts the election process, which fortunately he refused to do, you are silent.

[fishanthrope]

"You contribute by your silence and lack of support to any Libertarian principals when it comes to Trump when you refuse to speak out against him."

Absolutely no point in listening to a partisan progressive democrat scold anyone about being a proper libertarian.

Go cadge drinks somewhere else......

[Don Bessee]

The po ol ponytail of ignorance thinks he is now the thought police when just a #sadoldman @ 610 and has his mush between the ears is all Trump all the time. ROFLOL

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Wouldn't you if you could! -

Multnomah County, Oregon, lost 14,257 taxpayers, which resulted in a $1 billion loss in tax revenue, according to local media.

The Democrat-run city of Portland is in Multnomah County, and that’s where most of these losses came from.

That 14,257 number is not the city’s net population loss. That is merely the number of tax filers who fled. You can bet their families went with them.

What is especially interesting about this news is who is leaving: “The average income of Multnomah County residents who moved away in 2020, the most recent figure available, was 14% higher than of those who moved the year prior[.]”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/07/nolte-democrat-run-portlands-wealthiest-taxpayers-are-fleeing/

;-)

[Paul Emery]

I do give Gregory credit for using his real name in his posts which is more than what fishhole will do because he's ashamed of letting his friends, family and colleagues know he's a die hard Trumpster.

[Individual Juan]

LoL! To Scotty (beam me up from Cali, please, so I can live in the subdivisions of Idaho designed by Cali billionaire developers), and Greggy who self-identifies as an Independent along with Polluted Prawn, are on Paul like a couple of bums fighting over a baloney sandwich...
These Jag Offs circle about Paul going on about "Lies", yet these same Jag Offs would have you believe that Trump is worth defending after at least 40,000 "misstatements". Rotflmao!They a dying breed of brain washed fools.

[🐠]

....yawn.

[Scott O]

Juan 7:38 - "the subdivisions of Idaho designed by Cali billionaire developers),"

Actually, no idiot, but really - is that all you have now?

That is one of the most pathetic and ineffectual attacks I've ever heard in my life.
Next you'll accuse me of driving cars put together by Indiana farm boys.
This is beyond hysterical.
You have no idea of what you're talking about.
We're going on about lies because Paul Emery is a liar and he posts lies on a regular basis here.
If you really wanted to mount an effective rebuttal (as if you could mount anything) you would post some sort of cogent argument that responded to our posts.

BTW - our sub was "designed" by Idaho natives, as were the builder and his agent.
What a tub of idiot blubber.
Go back to your Ripple and your case of Lil Debbies.

[Scott O]

George - where do you find these people? I thought Hollywood actors were on strike?

[Scott O]

Don 7:10 - Not to worry, man. They'll make up for it with GREAT FEELZ!

[Scott O]

Well - it looks like the border states "stunts" have come good.

NY City has to deal with a fraction of what small Texas cities deal with on a regular basis.

"State of Emergency!!!"

Even the Dems are fed up with the lies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYC5VAx1iWk

[Scott O]

Uh oh. The black Dem mayor of NY is going all Trumpian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYC5VAx1iWk
Remember when they called the border states sending the illegals to Dem cities "stunts"?
Looks like they worked out just fine.

[Don Bessee]

Creepy grampa joes chip off the old block of crime family -

Schweizer said, “He stepped down [from] the board because they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Hunter Biden joined this board and got an equity stake in this Chinese government-funded financial firm shortly after he was in China on Air Force Two with his father, where he introduced his business partner, his Chinese business partner to his father. He gave up his board position, his visible board position because the book ‘Secret Empires’ — which you and I talked about in 2018, Laura — exposed this relationship. He stepped back from the board, but he retained his ownership stake, which scholars at the University of Chicago estimate was about a $20 million worth for Hunter Biden. So, it was a sweetheart deal for Hunter, no question about it.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/08/07/schweizer-hunter-quit-chinese-board-because-i-caught-him-in-my-book-not-because-of-integrity-as-joe-claimed/

;-)

[Paul Emery]

More evidence that Nevada County is solid Blue!

From the Nevada County Democratic Party:

The Adam Schiff Event of Tuesday, August 8, 2023, at the Center of the

Arts in Grass Valley has been completely sold out.

NO TICKETS WILL SOLD AT THE DOOR.

Congressman and candidate for the US Senate, Adam Schiff, will be speaking at the Center and meeting voters to listen and address their concerns. The event will be reported on later by Yubanet and KVMR, and the Union newspaper(possibly other outlets, but they haven’t informed us as yet).

We are continuing to try to get the other 2 prominent Democratic candidates, Katie Porter and Barbara Lee up to Nevada County. Both are also sitting members of Congress, and running for Diane Feinstein’s seat in the US Senate.

[Paul Emery]

By the way that's 500 plus tickets

[Scott O]

Hilarious! Paul is shilling for a Dem liar.
Gee Paul - why doncha ask Shit-lips about his proof of Trump conspiring with the Ruskies?
He keeps saying he has the proof.
Maybe ask him about his censure?

Paul - "I'm a Green Libertarian"

No you aren't, Paul - you're a lying, Donkey-Ass Licker.

[Gregory]

Punch 942p

"More evidence that Nevada County is solid Blue!"

Selling 500 tix to see an infamous Dem liar would be evidence of Nirvana County being solid blue if the total voting population was 700.

Punch... you remain an idiot.

[🐠]

More evidence that Nevada County is solid Blue!

Well I guess you’ve come out of the closet about being a progressive democrat.

And thanks in advance for agreeing with me.

[The Estonian Fox]

DB at 07:10 PM

Those numbers from Breitbart don't make sense. Let's say that it's just the city of Portland. That comes to ($1B/14,000) = $70,000 loss of tax revenue per taxfiler. That's a lot of local income and sales tax. What would be the federal taxes those folks would be paying, maybe 5 times the total local income taxes, so $350K in Fed taxes? That value of course wouldn't change since they will pay the same Fed tax as a resident of Idaho or Mississippi. $350K Fed tax would mean income of $1+M or so. That has to be a large part of the millionaire population of the Portland area.

From Google search, there were 5,520 Oregonians with incomes of $1 million or more who filed 2020 tax returns. And the Portland area would maybe have half of those millionaires.

So losing 14,000+ taxfilers - they are no way all $1M-aires.

Can't be all housing taxes either, since generally some other taxpayer eventually moves into a sold home to account for some or most of the lost real estate tax.

So Breitbart meant a loss of INCOME that COULD BE taxed, not income taxes. Makes more sense. So Portland didn't lose $1B of tax money from their $7.1B budget, but $1B of income that COULD BE taxed at Portland's rate of ?? 1%, 3%??, a much smaller part of the $7.1B budget. Exaggeration doesn't help to make their point.

[Gregory]

Serial fabulist Adam Schiff made a campaign stop in Grass Valley last night with his eye on DiFi's seat in the Senate.

Money money money money.

Looking for a recording or a transcript.

[fishanthrope]

She sounds like The Man of a Thousand Different Spellings in drag.

Nancy Pelosi Declares America Will Cease To Exist If Trump Becomes President Again

Find your own damn link.....! Oh that's right.....you don't read links.

[fishanthrope]

You know what this means don't you......

GERMANY: Sex Education Group Recommends Daycares Create “Sexual Games” and Nude “Exploration Rooms”

It means that right this very moment that Cereal Liar is trying to book a flight to Germany.....

[Individual Prawn]

Absolutely horrible news....

FALL PREVIEW: Streisand Memoir Cut Back to Less Than 1,000 Pages...

Women , minorities, and jeffy (in all his various guises) hardest hit.

[Scott O]

"Nancy Pelosi Declares America Will Cease To Exist If Trump Becomes President Again"

Is there no end to his super-powers?

[Gregory]

Punchy

"You contribute by your silence and lack of support to any Libertarian principals when it comes to Trump when you refuse to speak out against him."

That's principles, not principals. You don't know the difference, which is one big reason why I don't follow you into your partisan dogpiles.

[Don Bessee]

More evidence that going woke makes you broke -

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/08/08/meaningless-nfl-hall-fame-game-had-more-viewers-average-nba-playoff-game/

https://www.thestreet.com/restaurants/anheuser-busch-is-selling-8-of-its-beloved-brands-as-bud-light-drama-plagues-its-business

;-)

[Paul Emery]

Another grammar scolding from Gregory, RR's resident fake Libertarian. That's about all he can do as a response to the statement I posted.

[🐠]

Another grammar scolding from Gregory, RR's resident fake Libertarian. That's about all he can do as a response to the statement I posted.

You’re RR’s fake Libertarian.

[Don Bessee]

Bidenomics is a steaming pile of bullshit -

Americans are pulling money out of their 401(k) plans at an alarming rate

The number of people who made a hardship withdrawal during the second quarter surged from the first three months of the year to 15,950, an increase of 36% from the second quarter of 2022, according to Bank of America’s analysis of clients’ employee benefits programs, which are comprised of more than 4 million plan participants.

It’s a “pretty troubling” development if more people are resorting to making hardship withdrawals, Matt Schulz, chief credit analyst at LendingTree, told CNN.

Bank of America’s latest Participant Pulse report also found that a greater percentage of participants borrowed from their workplace plans from the first quarter, and average contributions trailed off as well.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/finance/news/americans-pulling-money-401-k-134922534.html

;-)

[Don Bessee]

The delicious irony -

More allegations against Lizzo surface in wake of lawsuit alleging harassment, weight-shaming

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/more-allegations-against-lizzo-surface-035531332.html

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Only in creepy grampa joes crime family and the elitists world is that grassroots -

Kamala Harris to hold 'grassroots reception' on wealthy Martha's Vineyard

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-hold-grassroots-reception-wealthy-marthas-vineyard

;-)

[Gregory]

It wasn't a grammar scolding, Punch. It was an "English... do you speak it, motherfucker?" scolding. (pop culture reference)

Did you *ever* think Trump was a Russian asset? If so, when did you stop?

[Paul Emery]

Here's one for you Gregory bringing back the fact that the Russians were cheering Trumps win over Hillary.

Reactions in Moscow to Donald Trump’s victory in the US presidential election can only be described as “euphoric,” according to veteran Moscow correspondent Charles Maynes.

"Russian elites from Putin on down have been absolutely thrilled with the result,” says Maynes. “For example, in the Duma — the Russian parliament — when the results were announced that Mr. Trump had triumphed, lawmakers broke out into applause.”

Nationalist leader Vladimir Zhirinovksy poured champagne for his fellow lawmakers. The patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church called on God to help Trump govern.

https://theworld.org/stories/2016-11-09/russian-leaders-literally-cheer-trumps-victory

[Gregory]

In short, Paul Emery STILL thinks Trump was a Russian asset.

Reality is that was a fib concocted by the Hillary campaign.

[fishanthrope]

Here's one for you Gregory bringing back the fact that the Russians were cheering Trumps win over Hillary.

Here's one for you Gregory he who has no name not answering your question again.

[Paul Emery]

Well Gregory the Russians including Putin sure seemed to like Trump and favor him over Hillary. What does that mean to you?

[Gregory]

It means Hillary was and remains a lying bitch.

And then there was the laptop... was that a Russian disinformation attempt as Clapper and Brennan were claiming every day on tv news... or was it really Hunter Biden's laptop with Hunter Biden's information on the drive?

ANYONE who still thinks Putin and Trump were joined at the hip is oblivious to Reality. Is that you, Punchy?