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27 September 2023

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Gregory

"Arthur Engoron, an elected civil Justice of the New York County Supreme Court, issued a rare summary judgment that concluded that New York Attorney General Letitia James proved her case before the defense mounted its own."

fishhole

Posted by: Gregory | 27 September 2023 at 12:38 PM


I'm sure it's all above board.

Scott O

"...that concluded that New York Attorney General Letitia James proved her case before the defense mounted its own."

Certainly saves on legal fees when your attys don't have to show up for your defense.

Paul Emery

I suppose Trump would agree to pay property taxes based on his stated values of his properties.

Scott O

Have to update my last post. There might be zero legal fees because no lawyer can afford to represent you:
"To punish Trump’s lawyers, Engoron fined them $7,500 each for repeating “arguments he had previously rejected” against the court’s warning."

This wasn't for contempt - this was just because he wanted to.
"I don't like your arguments - that'll be 7,500 each".
I'm surprised he didn't fine the cabbie that drove them to the court house.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/09/27/n-y-judge-cherry-picks-lowball-mar-a-lago-appraisal-to-find-trump-guilty-of-inflating-property-values/

Scott O

Paul 9:13 - Another ignorant statement from Paul. Property valuations for tax purposes are not the same as they are for the sale of the property.

Gregory

Punchy just punches.

Paul Emery

And Gregory just keeps on supporting Trump and is a fake Libertarian. Here is the Libertarian position on Trump. From the Libertarian Party Website:


"Trump is the opposite of a Libertarian"

"During the 2016 presidential campaign, some libertarian-leaning voters wanted to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt. As a candidate, Trump talked about drastic reductions in spending and taxation, along with “draining the swamp” of its career politicians. He said he wanted to reduce spending for defense of other countries and wars of foreign intervention. He even leaned toward allowing states to determine their own marijuana policies. Whatever libertarian impulses Trump the candidate seemed to have, though, his actual performance as president stands in stark contrast. Donald Trump is the opposite of a Libertarian."

You can read the whole Libertarian view on Trump here from their official website:

https://www.lp.org/trump-opposite-libertarian/


fishhole

"Trump is the opposite of a Libertarian"


So are you!

Individual Juan

Ah yes, the "Great Divide" rears its head again and, of course, it all the Democrats/Liberals who are to blame - not Trump.

Fraud is fraud - if it can be proven.

Clinton was impeached over lying about a blowjob. That explains the Republican economy.

Sounds like George is ready to hang Gen. Milley and start a war because his "main man" is getting what has been coming to him for decades.

"How does one find common ground with such senseless autocrats, let alone abide with them peacefully within the same borders?"

Can't wait for Jan 6 2025?

Gregory

If Trump was the opposite of a Libertarian, he'd have turned overtly fascist when given the opportunity to take power in 2020 with the CoVid crisis and the rampant Antifa rioting. He didn't. That an unsigned piece from early 2018 by lp staffers makes it clear Trump isn't Libertarian isn't earth shattering.

He still isn't Libertarian in 2023.

And again, it shouldn't need repeating: I've never "supported Trump", and have been voting LIB all along.

People like Punchy are just punching, upset that I think Biden is worse than Trump.

With liberty and justice for all is how the pledge of allegiance ends... not except for Donald Trump.



Gregory

"Fraud is fraud - if it can be proven."

The judge who summarily ruled Trump had fraudulently valued properties and fleeced big banks and insurance companies that had more expertise than the judge did... and didn't complain.

A judge who rules against someone before his lawyer presented their case... hasn't been fair. The fix was in.

Scott O

"Clinton was impeached over lying about a blowjob."

Dude - he was impeached because he lied under oath. It doesn't matter what the lie was.

I would love to see Juanny Boy howl if he was hauled into court and told he was guilty and he couldn't have a defense.

Gregory

IIRC Clinton was asked in an Arkansan court if he'd screwed a subordinate as President, and he said no. As a result, Paula Jones' harassment lawsuit went nowhere.

Lying under oath is bad, n'kay?

Paul Emery

Here's a direct quote from the Libertarian party website about their opinion of Trump.

"Whatever libertarian impulses Trump the candidate seemed to have, though, his actual performance as president stands in stark contrast. Donald Trump is the opposite of a Libertarian."

And Gregory claims to be Libertarian. What a joke. He has never expressed hat opinion.


https://www.lp.org/trump-opposite-libertarian/

Paul Emery

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He has never expressed that opinion.

Gregory

What a joke indeed. Punch, I didn't vote for Trump and I don't accept that any unsigned opinion piece at the LP.com website is a marching order for correct-thinking libertarians.

Set the wayback machine to the 2016 elections and the 2nd Amendment was hanging by a thread... it is now fully incorporated into the Constitution, thanks to the three seats Trump filled from the Federalist Society recommendations.

Little Stevie Frisch will be crying himself to sleep tonight.

Paul Emery

Gregory

It is indeed the opinion of the official website for the Libertarian Party, It was written by the staff and therefore represents the consensus views of the Party.


Trump is the opposite of a Libertarian
By Staff on March 28, 2018 in Features

Gregory

The official website of the Libertarian Party doesn't have a vote, and anyone who thinks consensus of the LP can be sussed by unnamed staffers hasn't attended many LP meetings.

Did you EVER attend a meeting, Paul?

Gregory

"Libertarians believe that every person has the right to arm themselves
in self-defense."

https://www.lp.org//issues/gun-ownership/

Paul Emery


So Gregory you do not believe that "Trump is the opposite of the Libertarian Party".

Gregory

Punch, you don't have a clue.

Paul Emery


Have a clue about what? The Libertarian party expressed clearly on their website that "Trump is the opposite of the Libertarian Party" and you disagree with that. Just asking for an affirmation of that from you.

Gregory

Unnamed staffers wrote that.

Gregory

" Just asking for an affirmation of that from you."

You're just trying to provoke.

Gregory

Now Punch... did you *ever* attend any Libertarian party meeting?

Even once?

Paul Emery

What has got to do with what we're talking about? I think it's odd that you question the message that the Libertarian Party advocated in their own website and wondering why you thinks it's not a valid expression of the position ot the Libertarian Party.

Paul Emery


sp why you think

Gregory

Just answer the question, Punch.

Paul Emery

answer to Gregory's question no -- so what?

Did you ever ttend a Green Party party meeting?

Gregory

I've never claimed to be a Green. You have claimed to be something of a Libertarian.

Had you attended any Libertarian meeting, you'd have a different opinion of their propensity to accept the dictates of their hired help. Socialist Greens are different.

Gregory

"Trump is the opposite of a Libertarian
By Staff on March 28, 2018 in Features"

At the time, Trump was just beginning his second year in orifice, and the hot button issue amongst the TDS brigade was his immigration policy... he wanted to force unannounced immigrants back into Mexico to wait. Imagine that.

Gregory

The horrors!

Paul Emery


So according to you Gregory policy positions discussed and advocated on the Libertarian website should not be taken seriously. Can you provide a link for reliable information about the Libertarian stands on current issues?

Gregory

Think before you punch. Give it a try.

Gregory

Here you go, Punch:
https://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/2022-LP-Platform.pdf

One must temper this with the fact there aren't many folks who have won office following the LP platform, such as it is.

Most Libertarians roll their own. For example, the LP platform of 2022 doesn't say anything about Donald Trump, leaving you out to dry about the only item you seem to care about. I suggest you actually read von Mises and Friedman and come up with something other han Trump to get huffy over.

Now, reading between the lines, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is making noises about running for President under the LIB banner.

He isn't much of a LIB but he may be enough of a LIB to pass muster. We Shall See.

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