Ignorance Meets Evil

George Rebane

Here is an example of gross ignorance that begets the evil in our land.  This letter to the editor by a rabid leftwinger in the 6dec23 Union illustrates the historical gulf that separates us into two nations with irreconcilable ideologies.  The correspondent does not make a single assertion that speaks truth – where/when did Trump do anything that he claims?  And he is joined by tens of millions of like- and no-minded Americans.

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Let’s refresh our memories on what Trump said last week in a speech:  “We pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country—that lie and steal and cheat on elections. They’ll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American dream. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within.”

We will never vote for Trump because he and his MAGA extremists want to dump American democracy, dump “We-the-People” pluralism, and replace it with white Christian nationalism implemented by their authoritarian cult leader. It's dangerous and un-American.

Trump’s disastrous presidency can be summarized with these 9 acts:

• passing huge wealthy and corporate tax cuts (pushing us 8 trillion $ further in debt),
• separating children from their parents at the border,
• basically ignoring covid,
• appointing unqualified ideologues to the Supreme Court and lower benches,
• damaging our global alliances, especially with NATO,
• promoting hatred against minorities, especially Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, LGTBQ,
• attacking democracy through gerrymandering and suppressing votes,
• attacking women’s reproductive freedoms, and
• promoting an insurrection on January 6.

Will our election be safe from the GOP’s cheating and intimidation? Will Trump’s 91 felony counts assure us his dictatorial ambitions will not come to light?

Voters' memories will need to be refreshed.

Robert Gould, Nevada City 

Comments

[Scott O]

Well - Bobby of Nevada City seems to be well versed in all of the Dem talking points. They are part of the "narrative" and don't have to be literally true, you understand.
Calling for him to provide proof of these contentions would just be another example of white male colonizing attitudes aimed at denying Mr Gould's lived experiences.
Doncha know.
If you think Zir Gould is a bit off in the reality department, check out these 3 persons having a difficult time denouncing "calling for the genocide of Jews":
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/12/harvard-mit-and-penn-take-a-position-on-genocide.php
One of them said it was "context dependent" and another said it was only against the rules if the speech turned to action.

[Gregory]

Robert Goa'uld, you are in need of professional help.

The huge corporate tax cuts helped us, being heavily invested in stocks in a 401k. Corporations are tax collectors, not tax payers.

Kids need to be separated from their parents when parents are taken into custody.

Not one ideologue was appointed by Trump to the Supremes.

Our NATO allies were shamed into coughing up their share of the expenses.

"Promoting hatred against minorities..." ? Hardly.

"Attacking women's reproductive freedoms"? No, he didn't. Roe v Wade was a kitten that needed to be drowned, and it was. California retained women's rights to kill their unborn children until birth, and other states went more to Goa'uld's liking.

"Promoting an insurrection on January 6". You call that an insurrection? Everyone left their guns at home. What kind of an insurrection is that?

Death to the jacobins!

[Scott O]

The funniest part of the Dems narrative that Trump wanted to incite an insurrection is the unquestioned fact that Trump offered fed troops to guard the place and was turned down. We all know that bank robbers planning a heist warn the folks in advance to have extra guards on hand for the special day.
Right?

[Paul Emery]

Not right Scott. Show me documentation to verify your 5:28.

CLAIM: Former President Donald Trump signed an order to deploy 20,000 National Guard troops before his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, but was stopped by the House sergeant at arms, at the behest of Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. While Trump was involved in discussions in the days prior to Jan. 6 about the National Guard response, he issued no such order before or during the rioting. Speaker Pelosi does not control National Guard troops.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284

[Gregory]

What makes the AP a neutral observer, Punch?

[Paul Emery]

Did you read the link Gregory? At least I presented some information something Scott has failed to do. He made the contention with no documentation.

[Scott O]

Paul Emery - what a maroon!
"Not right Scott. Show me documentation to verify your 5:28."
Here it is:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284
Thanks for proving my point, Paul.

[Scott O]

I might want to step in here with my quiet, self-assured announcer voice and caution the audience that Paul Emery is clearly not able to understand the English language.
Hence - his unhinged harangues and comedic use of wanting "proof" of something I never advocated.
Let's get back to the action...

[Gregory]

I followed the link, Punch. There were no facts there apropos to your claims.

Perhaps if you'd narrow it down to a quote or two.

[Scott O]

"Ignorance Meets Evil"

Well - Ignorance or Evil - you be the judge.
Lawrence O’Donnell quotes Liz Cheney as claiming that all the Republicans in the House refer to Trump as "Orange Jesus" and "follow his every command religiously".
I don't know O'Donnell personally so I have no idea if he even starts to believe such bilge but seeing how MSNBC loves to trot out House Rs that clearly don't fit this narrative, ole' Larrys got some splainin' to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bB6S7SRrBY

[Paul Emery]

So Scott you agree with this summation from the link I provided and that you support it. Thanks for doing that and setting the record straight

"There is no evidence that Trump actually signed any order requesting 10,000 Guard troops, let alone 20,000, for Jan. 6. "

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284

[Scott O]

OK - so the problem here is that I used the word Trump and then a word that started with "o" - so Paul decided that any word that started with "o" would suffice.
Trump "ordained"
or
Trump "offloaded"
or
Trump "optioned"

I said Trump "offered" - and Paul chose the word "ordered".
I can then decide to use the word "offal" and demand that Paul prove that Trump "offaled" fed troops to the capitol.
Ball is now in his court.

[Paul Emery]

You agreed with my link Scott. Simple. Did you actually read it?

[Paul Emery]

Scott

Can you document the offer you claim Trump made to Pelosi and when it was done? There should be a quote from Trump and a date he made it. His own Secretary of defense deny's that Trump made an offer.

This is what we know. Trump never made a request to Pelosi. From my link:

"Trump did say during a 30-second call on Jan. 5 with then Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller that “they” were going to need 10,000 troops on Jan. 6, according to a statement Miller provided to a House committee in May 2021.

But Miller added that there was “no elaboration,” and he took the comment to mean “a large force would be required to maintain order the following day.” He noted that domestic law enforcement believed they had sufficient personnel."

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-order-national-guard-156055113284

[Scott O]

from Paul's own post:
"Trump did say during a 30-second call on Jan. 5 with then Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller that “they” were going to need 10,000 troops on Jan. 6, according to a statement Miller provided to a House committee in May 2021."
So Trump warned everyone there would be a need for the presence of 10,000 troops to be there when he and the Trumpers would do the Insurrection thing.
Makes total sense, Paul.
As I pointed out - bank robbers always phone the bank ahead of the heist to warn them of the need for extra guards for the day they show up to rob the bank.
I don't need to "prove" anything - Paul is doing all the heavy lifting.
Paul is now admitting that Trump warned of the need for 10,000 troops after denying this earlier.
I knew Paul would come around after doing some research.
Also:
"He noted that domestic law enforcement believed they had sufficient personnel"
Of course - because Pelosi withheld the intel from the Capitol Police that she was advised of.
Had she passed along what she had been told they sure as shit wouldn't have had that sort of confidence of not needing the troops that Trump had advised them to have.

[Paul Emery]

So the total effort of what Trump did was a 30 second call to Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller. That's it with no followup. He also sat and watched television of the riot the afternoon of Jan 6 and did nothing for 3 hours. How do you explain that Scott? He then told the rioters that "we love you, you’re very special".

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/politics/trump-history-comments-trnd/index.html

[Scott O]

Paul now admits that Trump did warn of the need for 10,000 fed troops on the day that Trump was going to have an "insurrection".
Maybe Paul can explain how that works.
Paul claims that Trump is planning to have an "insurrection" on Jan 6th.
But first he says they need to have an extra 10,000 troops on hand to stop the insurrection.
Makes total sense.
Got it.
and -
"He then told the rioters that "we love you, you’re very special".
Perhaps Paul could supply the full audio or video of Trump saying:
"Rioters at the capitol - we love you, you’re very special".?
Doubtful.

[Paul Emery]

Here you go Scott-a video of Trump saying that very thing.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/home-love-trump-protesters-75094574

Trump made no attempt to contact Nancy Pelosi Scott. Show me where he did.

[Scott O]

So - Trump never referred to rioters - he was referring to protestors - as I thought.
from Paul's link - "‘Go home. We love you’: Trump to protesters"

Not "rioters"

The vast majority of protestors on Jan 6th broke no laws of any kind.

Here's a good over view of what Trump actually said and who he said it to:
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/08/gen-kellogg-trump-did-request-natl-guard-troops-on-jan-6th-asks-congress-to-release-his-testimony/

My original point made yesterday at 5:28 stands. Why would Trump offer to have more security if he was planning some kind of trouble?

Also from Paul:
"Can you document the offer you claim Trump made to Pelosi and when it was done?"
I didn't claim that, Paul - you just made that up.
We're done here.
Have a nice day, Paul.

[fishhole]

I didn't claim that, Paul - you just made that up.

Can you prove that? I mean with hard documentary evidence.....piles and piles of paper none of which psul will read or even really care about!

[Paul Emery]

Exactly what "offer" are you referring to Scott. You never documented that and made it up.

Scott

It was a riot from Trump supporters who broke into the Capital and for a while occupied the House chamber and trashed offices while chanting "hang Pence". Do you deny that happened? Here's a list of convictions and guilty pleas.

"The Department of Justice's (DOJ) Washington D.C. office said in its latest update that 623 people had received sentences—though not all had been handed periods of incarceration—while around 657 individuals had pleaded guilty to federal charges, "many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing."

https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-capitol-rioters-jailed-sentences-january-6-1826075

[Gregory]

Punchy is punching wildly.

[Scott O]

Paul - that's your quote.
"Can you document the offer you claim Trump made to Pelosi and when it was done?"
Go back to my 5:28 - what I posted was:
"...that Trump offered fed troops to guard the place and was turned down."
Where does "Pelosi" appear in that sentence?
Paul is so stupid he can't even figure out how bad he screws things up.
I never claimed anything about Pelosi, Paul - you made it up.
At this point all I see is this from Paul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoLdlmr-v2w

[Individual Juan]

Ignorance meets evil...MAGA meets Trump

"Former President Trump, if elected, would build a Cabinet and White House staff based mainly on two imperatives: pre-vetted loyalty to him and a commitment to stretch legal and governance boundaries, sources who talk often with the leading GOP presidential candidate tell Axios.

Why it matters: Trump would fill the most powerful jobs in government with men like Stephen Miller, Sen. J.D. Vance of Ohio and Kash Patel — with the possible return of Steve Bannon. If Trump won in 2024, he'd turn to loyalists who share his zeal to punish critics, purge non-believers, and take controversial legal and military action, the sources tell us."

The list of possible Trump administration staffers reads like a who's who list of wackydoodle conspiracy theorists,

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/07/trump-loyalty-cabinet-2025-carlson-miller-bannon

[Individual Juan]

Always fun to listen to Bannon and his MAGA propagandists,

Try it at the 7:30 mark if you are in a hurry.

Kash says they will follow the law with facts! lol! Like they have done with Hunter? lol!

https://rumble.com/v3zrlia-patel-were-gonna-use-the-constitution-to-prosecute-those-destroying-the-rep.html

[Paul Emery]

Scott

So Trump did nothing on the day of the riot (yes it was a riot with hundreds of convictions and more to come) for three hours then gave a directive saying go home, we love you. Why Scott didn't he make that call to go home hours earlier?

Also here's a quote from Trump blaming Pelosi for Jan 6

“She turned down 10,000 soldiers,” Trump said, claiming that Pelosi was in charge of security of the Capitol. “If she didn’t turn down the soldiers, you wouldn’t have had January 6th.”

There is no evidence he ever asked that of Pelosi

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/transcripts/full-transcript-read-meet-the-press-kristen-welker-interview-trump-rcna104778

Here's more from Trump :

KRISTEN WELKER:

Why didn’t you send help in that moment, though?

FMR. PRES. DONALD TRUMP:

Uh, frankly, just so you understand, I assumed that she took care of it. She turned down --

KRISTEN WELKER:

But when you realized that the National Guard wasn’t coming? When help wasn’t coming?

FMR. PRES. DONALD TRUMP:

Well, you don’t realize anything until quite a while. National Guard are not coming. I asked her to be there three days in advance. And she turned it down.

KRISTEN WELKER:

She says that that request was never officially made, just so you know.

FMR. PRES. DONALD TRUMP:

Oh, stop it. Let me just tell you --

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/transcripts/full-transcript-read-meet-the-press-kristen-welker-interview-trump-rcna104778

[Gregory]

whistle past the graveyard
verb

To attempt to stay cheerful in a dire situation; to proceed with a task, ignoring an upcoming hazard, hoping for a good outcome. To enter a situation with little or no understanding of the possible consequences.

[fishhole]

Posted by: punchy the barbarian | 07 December 2023 at 03:14 PM

"My child.... you have come to me! My son. For who now is your father if it is not me (Trump)?

I am the well spring, from which you flow. When I am gone, it will be as if you never will have been.

What would your world be, without me? My son. My son!

[Scott O]

re Paul 3:14 -
ZZZZZzzzzz.

[Scott O]

re Lonely Juanita -

" — with the possible return of Steve Bannon."

He'd be perfect as the head of DOJ!

and
"...the sources tell us."
Hilarious - same sources that told us about Trump and the Russian whores?
Sooooo believable!

[Don Bessee]

Reality bites -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-will-mandate-electric-school-buses-but-rural-districts-say-they-don-t-work/ar-AA1l8GIr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dbf18de0986e412a8ea7ca9bff46cfa7&ei=43

;-)

[Don Bessee]

Creepy grampa joe and the crackhead saga enters the closing phase and there will be no hiding anymore -

Hunter indictment a 'nuclear bomb for the Bidens,' as Joe sounds like Clinton during Lewinsky scandal: experts

https://www.foxnews.com/media/hunter-indictment-nuclear-bomb-bidens-joe-sounds-like-clinton-during-lewinsky-scandal

;-)

[fishhole]

Speaking of "Wackydoodle"!

Biden Wants to Give 500,000 Americans Money to Buy Homes

Sounds like someone's worried about this....

....and that's how Gavin Newsom becomes the Democratic Party nominee.

https://www.newsweek.com/biden-wants-give-500000-americans-money-buy-homes-1850587

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/hunter-biden-indicted-multiple-felony-federal-tax-charges-la

[Paul Emery]

Don

Hunter's charges are just chump change in the indictment contest. Trump wins hands down with 92 felony indictments and a half dozen civil cases on top of that. He's the champ and it's all subsidized by chumps like you who pay for his lawyers.

[Gregory]

Trump's charges are politically tinged Lawfare.

Hunter's are real.

[Paul Emery]

Once again Gregory comes out in support of Trump. I wonder how much money he's given him to pay his legal fee's.

[Scott O]

So Biden wants to hand out fed moolah to help people buy homes they can't afford.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Gregory]

Not a cent, Punch.

And what I came out in favor of was telling the truth.

[Scott O]

DB 6:20 - No worries on the range of electric buses. CA will hand out dough for mobile diesel charging units to follow the e-buses around.
It's for the children.

[Paul Emery]

So Gregory you have all the information that proves all 91 indictments against Trump are fake and contrived by those who want to take him down. You must have done a lot of research to gather that information,

[Gregory]

You bet, punch. A lifetime's worth.

[Don Bessee]

In another example of the socialist dems and creepy grampa joe hating citizens especially vets -

Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT) says President Joe Biden is siphoning Veterans Affairs healthcare resources away from the nation’s military veterans to serve illegal aliens arriving at the United States-Mexico border.

The statements from Daines come as Fox News’s Adam Shaw reported this week that the Concerned Veterans for America group is urging Congress and federal investigators to look into the Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) arrangement with the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA).

Last year, Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas seemingly confirmed to Rep. Ashley Hinson (R-IA) that the agency was looking at using VA healthcare resources at the southern border.

Reports from the House Homeland Security Committee, chaired by Rep. Mark Green (R-TN), have shown that Medicaid costs for emergency services for illegal aliens cost American taxpayers more than $7 billion in Fiscal Year 2021 and more than $5.4 billion in Fiscal Year 2022.

Annually, Americans are forced to subsidize medical care for illegal aliens to the tune of $18.5 billion.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/07/sen-steve-daines-joe-biden-siphoning-healthcare-from-military-veterans-to-serve-illegal-aliens/

;-)

[fishhole]

He's the champ and it's all subsidized by chumps like you who pay for his lawyers.

Can you document this or did you just make it up?

……again.

[fishhole]

Speaking of "Wackydoodle" job opportunities.

The FAA is seeking people suffering from "severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities" to be air traffic controllers.

Punch……never too late to provide a valuable service to the nation….! Probably not Keachie though……overqualified.

https://johnalucas6.substack.com/p/bidenbuttigieg-dei-policies-endanger

[Scott O]

I checked FAA's website and there it is in black and white.
The really bad side effect of hiring unqualified people is that it starts to drive away the hard working conscientious folks that are needed.
It is total insanity that we can't possibly require a pro sports team to hire this way, but expect the operation of our military and public safety to work just fine under these hiring rules.
Enjoy your flight!

[Paul Emery]

Here you go fishhole:

"Trump’s Save America political action committee has paid nearly $37 million to more than 60 law firms and individual attorneys since January 2022, Federal Election Commission records show. That amounts to more than half of the PAC’s total expenditures, according to an Associated Press analysis of campaign finance filings, and represents a staggering sum compared to other political organizations."

https://apnews.com/article/trump-lawyers-millions-payments-2024-campaign-2e06de2a8a90b3752e7758dfea56a509

[fishhole]

Posted by: Paul Emery | 08 December 2023 at 08:26 AM

Yeah but Punch you accused Don specifically of "being a chump" for contributing...."it's all subsidized by chumps like you who pay for his lawyers."

Do you have evidence to support this contention ....tangible documentary proof that Don Bessee has contributed to Trumps legal or political fund?

I mean you're such a stickler for evidence, certainly you can back your claim?!

[Paul Emery]

They are Trump loyalists fishole like you so I assume they put their money where their mouth is. Trump gets his money to pay for legal fee's from those types and they include you from those types.

[fishhole]

They are Trump loyalists fishole like you so I assume they put their money where their mouth is. Trump gets his money to pay for legal fee's from those types and they include you from those types.

Well they didn't get any money from me Punch. I'm fairly certain that they haven't received any from Gregory. You made a similar accusation towards him...."Once again Gregory comes out in support of Trump. I wonder how much money he's given him to pay his legal fee's."....his response...."Not a cent, Punch."

That pretty much just leaves Scott and Don and I will leave it to them they choose to respond.

You made the claim! Where's your proof? Proof....not assumption....by your own standard that's unacceptable in this type of exchange!

[fishhole]

Punch???

[Individual Juan]

Trump brownnoser meets karma,

https://www.yahoo.com/news/editorial-kevin-mccarthy-quits-congress-222523376.html

[Scott O]

Fishy, I've already made it clear to Paul several times I wouldn't vote for Trump in a primary if I were an R and I have never given Trump a dime nor will I ever. He's been told all of this many times and yet he continues his stupid lies unabated.
As far as expecting him to abide by any sort of standards - you've got to be kidding me!
Paul's quite up to date as he's a Post-Modernist whereby everything is situational.
His standard of proof is whatever he assumes or considers to be "obvious".
The standard he requires of you varies according whatever proof you offer. The goalposts are always moved so that whatever proof you offer, it will never be acceptable.
The man is a stupid, sick, lying clown.
But his posts are important as he represents the sort of idiot that continues to vote for the destruction of our nation.
It's always good to keep tabs on your enemy.

[fishhole]

Punch???

[fishhole]

Posted by: Scott O | 08 December 2023 at 10:03 AM

The standard he requires of you varies according whatever proof you offer. The goalposts are always moved so that whatever proof you offer, it will never be acceptable.

Not after today....

[Gregory]

Post-Modernists analyze everything human in terms of relative power.

Might be a boon to someone who has scraped together a living singing popular songs.

On a related note, I just ran across this, hot off the presses, a fellow has concluded libertarians are actually authoritarians and has identified the libertarian-authoritarian personality type:
https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2023/12/new-authoritarian-personality

Note Theodor Adorno, who is the fellow who set in leftist stone that authoritarians were inherently right wing, was a principal in the Frankfurt School, is cited up top. And Max Horkheimer is also cited, also a principal in the Frankfurt School. The piece goes out of the way to show there is a new scourge afoot, libertarian extreme right wing authoritarians like Elon Musk, Peter Theil and the Argentine President-ELect Milei are rampant among us.

The author of the New Statesman piece, Oliver Nachtwey, is a current member of the Frankfurt School, the Institute for Social Research. Marxist social research. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

[fishhole]

Punch???

[fishhole]

Punch???

Well he must be off collecting it. I'm sure he'll be back soon!

[Paul Emery]

It's confusing Scott. You are such a Trump supporter in everything he does and wishes to do in the future yet you don't support him financially. Never once have you or Gregory ever spoken out against him. Gregory believes all 91 criminal indictments are fake as are the civil cases and the 25 woman who claim he sexually assaulted them and you do as well. Can you explain that to RR readers?

[fishhole]

Posted by: Punch the Evidence Bringer| 08 December 2023 at 12:41 PM

Hey...look who's back....what did you bring for us?

[fishhole]

Posted by: Punch the North Korean | 08 December 2023 at 12:41 PM

Never once have you or Gregory ever spoken out against him.

Why would they need to? You seem to have the Trump denunciations covered.

[Gregory]

I've spoken out against Punchy's bullshite.

I don't think I've used "fake" to describe the lawfare against Trump but it doesn't fit too badly... it is politically motivated. The "25 women" apparently didn't take him to court, and one that did, winning big in NYC, didn't even know what year the dastardly deed was done to her. J'accuse.

Paul is not facing a good year.

[Scott O]

Paul -
"It's confusing Scott." Really? When did I say I was confused?
Only to you, dude.
"You are such a Trump supporter in everything he does..."
You just can't post without slipping in some BS, can you Paul?

"Never once have you or Gregory ever spoken out against him."
The BS just doesn't quit, does it?

[Gregory]

Not once have I chimed in with Trump support... Paul is claiming the lack of Trump criticism is the moral equivalent.

Bizarre.

[Paul Emery]

Gregory

Just show me one time you opposed him Gregory? You claimed he was innocent of all 71 indictments and various civil cases and that all 25 women who claimed he sexually assaulted him were liars and that he had nothing to do with the riot on Jan 6 and that's just a beginning.

[fishhole]

Posted by: Punch Quixote | 08 December 2023 at 01:36 PM

Just show me one time you opposed him Gregory?

Why is it so important to you that others join in on your Trump shit show Punch?

[Gregory]

Punch needs to go back to blowing donkeys.

[Scott O]

It's not enough that CA now has a $68B deficit - it turns out that when they had the money to easily pay back the unemployment insurance money owed to the feds, they blew it instead on vote buying. Now, the businesses in CA face ever increasing raises in taxes so CA can make minimum payments to the feds. Isn't higher costs and taxes one of the big reasons businesses and citizens leave that place? And the fact that so many middle class and higher earners as well as businesses have left is a major reason the state govt faces a record deficit. This is leading to a self-feeding negative monetary cycle.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/california/california-has-18-9-billion-in-unemployment-debt-companies-will-have-to-pay-more-in-taxes-to-cover-the-cost/3220874/
Note: article was from May of this year - so probably no money to help small businesses.

BTW - how's that High Speed Choo Choo Train coming along? You know - the "Brown Streak"?
Any feedback from the satisfied riders going from SF to LA in 2 1/2 hours?

[fishhole]

Well....they know their audience....!

White House Delays Implementing Ban On Menthol Cigarettes Until At Least 2024

No sense alienating an important constituency until that pesky election is behind us!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/white-house-delays-implementing-ban-menthol-cigarettes-until-least-2024

[Paul Emery]

Once again Gregory confirms my contention that he believes Trump is innocent on all charges and was unjustly arrested and it was all a plot organized by the left. Gregory. have you examined all 91 indictments in your search for truth? I am not contending he is guilty. That's why we have trials but you don't believe in that unless it's for someone you support.

Read this if you haven't already done so to see the actual evidence that was a basis for these indictments.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

[Paul Emery]

correction

That's why we have trials but you don't believe in that unless it's for someone you do not support.

[Gregory]

Its more that no democrat presidential candidate would ever be brought up on those charges in that court. It's lawfare.

It's bullshite and all competent adults know that.

No, I don’t think you are a competent adult, Paul.

[Gregory]

That's why we have trials but you don't believe in that unless it's for someone you do not support.

Posted by: Paul Emery | 08 December 2023 at 02:52 PM

That's projection by Paul Emery.

[Don Bessee]

Thanks creepy grampa joe and the socialists -

Items including a half gallon of milk, a half gallon of orange juice, a TV dinner, bread, frozen mac and cheese, laundry detergent, cling wrap, toilet paper, a pack of army men and dryer sheets cost the character, played by Macaulay Culkin, $19.83.

Last year, the same grocery list cost $44.40, and this year, it costs a whopping $72.28 in 2023.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/home-alone-fans-shocked-250-percent-increase-grocery-prices-iconic-shopping-trip

;-)

[Paul Emery]

Have you read the indictments Gregory?

[Paul Emery]

Gregory writes: "Its more that no democrat presidential candidate would ever be brought up on those charges in that court."

What information do you have to back up that opinion Gregory?

[fishhole]

What information do you have to back up that opinion Gregory?

I see that after this morning’s “Punchy’s Embarrassing Lack of Evidence Moment” standards have been lowered a bit.

[Scott O]

fishy 2:13 - So they're banning menthols for health reasons but will hold off until after the elections. Cause the health of blacks is sooooo important, but...
not THAT important.
Look - if some of our black voters have to get cancer in order for the correct old white men to win...
Gotta break some eggs for that omelet.
Yes - I know the rejoinder.

[Scott O]

Don - the party line is that inflation is caused by greedy companies unnecessarily raising their prices.
They've got Biden propped up there claiming "inflation is down".
That would actually be deflation but with a nation 1/2 composed of idiots like Lonely Juanita and Paul they can get away with such BS.
The next time you hear a govt official decrying companies "jacking up prices" ask yourself if then it would be morally wrong for the govt to accept the extra tax money from the profits of such claimed ill-gotten loot.
Oh, wait - uh - never mind.

[Scott O]

Gregory 10:25 - Thanks for the link. I've only read a bit so far - will finish it later tonight. I've already seen enough to fill a notebook with red flags on the BS.
Sadly this is our future with the "collective" being the be-all and end-all.
Same old tune from the 1800's sung in a different key.
In the 20th century it led to the mass murders of tens of millions - I wonder what the tally will be in this century?

[Gregory]

Punchy 459p

What did I say the last time you demanded an answer to that question?

[Barry Pruett]

$1,000 a day on hookers. For a year. That’s pretty prolific.

[Individual Juan]

Hunter was on the Charlie Sheen diet plan😂

[Individual Juan]

The vultures are already picking at Trump's political carcass.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-expert-witnesses-billed-almost-900000-dollars-each-testifying-fraud-trial-new-york-city/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17

[fishhole]

Posted by: Barry Pruett | 08 December 2023 at 08:51 PM

I imagine it would probably take a fistful of C notes to help a hooker get past this…

https://twitter.com/rcaiken/status/1380968969843118085

[Scott O]

"Ignorance Meets Evil"
The title of this post by George pretty well sums up our nation's response to Russia invading Ukraine. Since I remember things, I recall all the Dems that thought Putin was so cute. Remember Obama scoffing at the notion that Russia was a threat? And Hillary with her "reset" red button?
Actual military men who aren't allowed to lead our troops any more have warned this about the war since it started:
"Ukraine cracks down on draft-dodging as it struggles to find troops"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-cracks-down-on-draft-dodging-as-it-struggles-to-find-troops/ar-AA1lboL2
Russia has the overwhelming edge in manpower and can put way more men into the meat grinder than Ukraine. The frightening talk I hear is from idiots in our country that say "we can't let Russia win this war".
Yeah - about that.
Good luck.

[fishhole]

Ahhh....the delightful paranoia of the meth aficionado.

Defiant Hunter Biden says Republican 'motherf---ers' are 'trying to kill me'

But yeah....instead of detox and rehab let's get him a new set of choppers so he looks good in the campaign photos.

[Paul Emery]

So Scott what do you propose we should be doing about the Ukraine situation as it stands today?

[Don Bessee]

Creepy grampa joes evil is catching up -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/09/joe-biden-least-popular-president-modern-history/

;-)

[Gregory]

Punchy 1111a

Make more Ukrainians!

[fishhole]

Posted by: Larry King of the Sierra Foothills | 09 December 2023 at 11:11 AM

So Scott what do you propose we should be doing about the Ukraine situation as it stands today?

What do propose Larry...err….Punch?

[Barry Pruett]

Paul asks about Ukraine? Time to mediate and get an agreement so no more people die for no reason except global power. On a side note, the USA is complaining that the Iranian are supporting the Houthi’s in the Red Sea attacks against the U.S. navy. Aren’t we doing the same thing in Ukraine?

[Gregory]

Barry 151p, it would be more fun to make more Ukrainians.

[fishhole]

Punch???

[fishhole]

Sorry …my bad! Maybe my poor sentence structure is why he hasn’t dazzled us with his geopolitical acumen.

What do propose Larry…..err….Punch?

What do you propose Larry….err….Punch?

There! That oughta do it!

[Gregory]

Along with making more Ukrainians, we would need to give the newest Ukrainians time to get to cannon-fodder age. So, perhaps a truce can be called for perhaps 20 years to allow them to age out of their childhood.

This is why you don't start a war without ammo and cannon-fodder at the ready.

[Scott O]

Gregory 2:25 - "Make more Ukrainians!"

On Ytube on the right side at the top lately I see ads for "meet single Ukrainian women".
The war must be draining their economy - the poor things can't afford enough clothing to cover their assets. But if I volunteered to "do my bit for the war" that would only produce half breed Ukrainians. And my wife would probably object.
Best quote about the war is that the US is playing a game of "Let's you and him fight".
What a sad destruction of human life all around.

[Don Bessee]

Whats wrong with this picture beside being wrong on so many levels, so much for security -

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2023/12/09/bidens-tsa-designates-special-airport-screening-line-for-migrants-without-required-id/

;-)

[Paul Emery]

This is what we have to look forward to if Trump becomes President. Putin must be cheering him on.

"I don’t give a shit about NATO.” Thus did former President Donald Trump once express his feelings about America’s oldest and strongest military alliance. Not that this statement, made in the presence of John Bolton, the national security adviser at the time, came as a surprise. Long before he was a political candidate, Trump questioned the value of American alliances. Of Europeans, he once wrote that “their conflicts are not worth American lives. Pulling back from Europe would save this country millions of dollars annually.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/01/trump-2024-reelection-pull-out-of-nato-membership/676120/

[Gregory]

Punchy, the best you could do is a fiction piece from a year ago?