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22 December 2023

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Gregory

aaaah... fresh litter. Reminds me, I need to service the catbox her kittiness uses...

No, Biden has been less than useful in orifice. He still has his followers.

Paul Emery

Gregory

Let me ask you this, what economy would you rather have, the one that Biden inherited from Trump or the one the next person elected President will have?

fishhole

Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 December 2023 at 03:58 PM


Depth of the change in the guitar case must have been pretty decent this month for Punchy to voluntarily embarrass himself by drawing economic conclusions from it.

Paul Emery


Somehow you ignore the question I posed. Here it is again:

"Let me ask you this, what economy would you rather have, the one that Biden inherited from Trump or the one the next person elected President will have?"

Paul Emery


fishole

For you're convenience I will post the numbers:

Summary

The statistics for the entirety of Donald Trump’s time in office are nearly all compiled. As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.

The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.
Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.7% after inflation.
After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.
The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.
The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.
Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.
Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.
Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.
Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.
The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.
Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/

fishhole

”For you're convenience I will post the numbers:”


For you are convenience…..???


I’m sorry Punch but until you can grasp the difference between the possessive “your” and the contraction of “you are” I don’t think you’re ….see what I did there… ready for more advanced topics.

Feel free to get back to the board after you brush up a bit.

Paul Emery


Thanks for correcting my typing error. Once again "Let me ask you this, what economy would you rather have, the one that Biden inherited from Trump or the one the next person elected President will have?"

Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 December 2023 at 05:20 PM

The Estonian Fox

Things aren't quite so sunny for this solar company.

SunPower breaches credit agreement, warns business may go under.
SunPower, a publicly traded US solar company, has issued a warning about its business in a new regulatory filing, raising concerns about its ability to remain viable.

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/12/22/sunpower-breaches-credit-agreement-warns-business-may-go-under/

Business lost 90% of its market cap in the last 3 years.

fishhole

Posted by: Paul Emery | 22 December 2023 at 06:35 PM


You need to jot this down somewhere and ask again in January of 2025 Punch…..Joey Fingers hasn’t finished ruining things yet.

Don Bessee

Calis crazy fast food min wage law starts the mass layoffs everyone predicted that they said would never happen, just in time for Christmas -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/pizza-hut-franchisees-lay-off-more-than-1-200-delivery-drivers-in-california-as-restaurants-brace-for-20-fast-food-wages/ar-AA1lUpCo?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=445750fe6e0747018784fc60909f847e&ei=13

;-)

Paul Emery


That's pure speculation fishole. I'm talking about right now. Which economy would you rather live under. The one now or the one Biden inherited in 2020?

fishhole

Ahh….my senile, nakedly partisan friend…..speculation has nothing to do with it. The economies really need to be compared under complete terms for both.

I know why you don’t want to do that though (I mean other than the fact that you’re a disingenuous weasel!).

Barry Pruett

Trump’s Covid economy was better than Bidenomics. Lol

Don Bessee

Thats a fact Barry to the tuen of 11k more for the average family to keep the lifestyle that had before bidenomics. I hope he keeps with that bullshit as it is pissing real people off left and right.
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You know how bad it is when this guy is saying enough! They wont change and its another reason he is losing -

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/12/22/jeh-johnson-biden-must-acknowledge-border-emergency-and-raise-asylum-bar-remove-people-quickly/

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George Rebane

Re Trump's legacy economy vs Bidenomics. If the polls are any indication, the nation overwhelmingly believes that the economy was better under Trump, and that generally the Repubs can manage the country's economy better than the Dems. Citing Biden's recovery stats from the depths of the Covid canyon is even more facetious than citing Obama's stats from the low point of the 2008 recession. Neither were due to their socialist policies but built in resiliency and bounce-back of America's longstanding market capitalist economy that both did and have done their best to screw up.

Don Bessee

Just sayin' -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-approval-rating-numbers-dismal-compared-previous-modern-presidents-gallup-finds

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Gregory

Trump's covid economy sucked, being dragged down by the enthusiastic Lilliputian Democrats wanting to win in Nov 20. Shut it down.

fishhole

Does he have any idea how much change will need to be extracted from the guitar case to cover his share of this??


3 Out Of 5 Illegal Alien Households Are Supported By Taxpayer-Funded Welfare


Hope he can still swing his ASCAP fees….those things aren’t going to pay themselves….



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/3-out-5-illegal-alien-households-are-supported-taxpayer-funded-welfare

Don Bessee

Creepy grampa joe has empowered criminal gangs across the world to flood us with God knows who and pick our pockets -

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/france-grounds-romanian-plane-carrying-012155050.html

;-)

Don Bessee

Can no one read a map and see what is happening across the world, they are in concert and creepy grampa joe only can think about the next pudding cup and what the aide tells him to say! WTF!  

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/drone-fired-from-iran-strikes-tanker-off-india-s-coast-pentagon-says/ar-AA1lXGTu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4091a6cbf4814c6a92368f2b75a466f4&ei=79

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Michael R. Kesti

I'd rather have the economy that Trump inherited from Trump in '21.

George Rebane

Kesti 102pm - "...Trump inherited from Trump..."??

Don Bessee

None of its ready for prime time in spite of the 'MANDATES' -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/mta-not-confident-electric-buses-are-ready-for-nyc-streets/ar-AA1lZ04p?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=85cb6340a35246c787812685f1c38528&ei=30


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/state-forced-to-cancel-electric-vehicle-mandate-vote-after-widespread-power-outages/ar-AA1lZ1gn?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=85cb6340a35246c787812685f1c38528&ei=44

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Don Bessee

A lump of coal in his stockings -

Biden scolds media for negative coverage of economy: 'Start reporting it the right way'
Only 14% of Americans say Biden's economic policies have helped them, a recent Fox News poll showed

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-scolds-media-negative-coverage-economy-start-reporting-right-way

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scenes

...and before I leave, I did like this column...

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And So Ends an Era
“The old politics of right versus left, and Republican opposed to Democrat have now given way to a new existential struggle: Americans must choose between civilization—or its destroyers.” –Victor Davis Hanson

Now that you, the lucky ones, are beyond your steaming platters of pancakes and mighty rashers of bacon, and perhaps even a dram or two of grog in your coffee. . . and clawed your way through the bales of presents. . . a merry Christmas to all. . . and here’s something else to think about this morning:

You may have noticed that our country, formerly a republic of sovereign individuals, has become one great big racketeering operation run by a mafia-like cabal with Marxist characteristics — or, at least, Marxist pretenses. That is, it seeks to profit by every avenue of dishonesty and coercion, under the guise of rescuing the “oppressed and marginalized” from their alleged tormenters. Apparently, half the country likes it that way.

Much of the on-the-ground action in this degenerate enterprise is produced by various hustles. A hustle is a particularly low-grade, insultingly obvious racket, such as Black Lives Matter, DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion), and “trans women” (i.e., men) in women’s sports. Some of the profit in any hustle is plain moneygrubbing, of course. But there’s also an emotional payoff. Hustlers and racketeers are often sadists, so the gratification derived from snookering the credulous (feelings of power) gets amplified by the extra thrill of seeing the credulous suffer pain, humiliation, and personal ruin. (That’s what actual “oppressors” actually do.)

..etc..

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https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/and-so-ends-an-era/

Smitty

The pope says you are going to hell George. Fare thee well. Good riddance. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/25/pope-weapons-industry-christmas-peace-appeal-00133177

Gregory

Shitty 849p

Shame on you.

Scott O

"The pope says you are going to hell..."

An attempt at humor?

Gregory

scotto, 1041a

Shitty doesn't have a knack for humor.

What a message for Christmas day.

The Estonian Fox

What is he doing - actually trying to destroy those vowed to kill all the Jews, then the rest of us, after a brief respite? It's a good thing the modern U.S. military doesn't give him advice on how to win a war.

[Netanyahu had earlier visited Israeli troops inside Gaza, then reportedly told a meeting of his conservative Likud party that "we're not stopping... We're intensifying the fighting in the coming days."]

https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/benjamin-netanyahu-war-israel/2023/12/26/id/1147175/

Gregory

My expectation is that our military has indeed been giving Bibi instructions as to how to prosecute the war, but Bibi has not taken the bait.

His alma mater is MIT, whose president has been under fire herself. She should quit.

The Estonian Fox

In other news - the Vatican seems NOT to have given its blessing to same sex unions - as has been widely promulgated recently. Would have helped if the message had reached the "good Catholic" Joe Biden when the original BLT 'civil unions' were transformed to 'marriage' in a matter of milliseconds in the 2000's.

“The Church has a very clear understanding of marriage: an exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to procreation. Only this union can be called ‘marriage.’ … It is not just a matter of names, but the reality we call marriage has a unique essential constitution that requires an exclusive name, not applicable to other realities. It is undoubtedly much more than a mere ‘ideal.’ For this reason, the Church avoids any type of rite or sacramental that might contradict this conviction and suggest that something that is not marriage is recognized as marriage.”

https://patriotpost.us/opinion/103110-understanding-the-vaticans-statement-on-same-sex-couples-and-blessings-2023-12-21

Don Bessee

So pray tell how creepy grampa joes crime crew allow in millions of illegals who gobble up resources that should be for the poor black, white and hispanic citizens, destroy school district budgets and then claim they will fix the unaffordable housing situation with this PR joke? The illegals will share a house or duplex or apt and drive-up demand and prices so citizens are left in the streets!?

Ya creepy grampa joe and the kakkler team tell us how this helps Americans? No wonder you have to yell at your own fawning press to report the economy 'RIGHT' aka lie your ass off, pretty please!

‘We must do more’: Biden administration wants to build 500K starter homes to fix America’s affordable housing crisis

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/finance/news/must-more-biden-administration-wants-121500853.html

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Scott O

"US debt will become unsustainable and trigger default in about 20 years, if it stays on current path"

""Put differently, US debt is on a secular upward path and past projections have, if anything, underestimated that increase, regardless of the reason," they wrote."

Whose 'past projections'?

It's proceeding along a path quite accurately predicted by those ultra right wing fear mongers.
Maybe a couple million more illegals on the dole will help?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-debt-become-unsustainable-trigger-023726698.html

Meanwhile Bidenomics is working so well, Biden wants the feds to build thousands of houses because the average wage earner can't afford a house.
And that will put upward pressure on home construction prices and add to the debt and fuel inflation. It's a triple loser deal.

George Rebane

ScottO 956pm - Another example of the truth that socialists do not understand economics and economies.

Don Bessee

As if we did not know that already, time for a change to that -

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/27/pregnant-migrants-admit-were-crossing-border-score-birthright-citizenship-for-our-anchor-babies/

;-)

Don Bessee

Karma -

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-baltimore-prosecutor-marilyn-mosby-faces-possible-disbarment-ongoing-legal-battles#&_intcmp=fnhpbt1,hp1bt

;-)

fishhole

Did we lose Tozer this week?

Don Bessee

Just another day in the racist shithole empowering the crazy and letting them run amok -

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/12/28/nyc-man-who-allegedly-stabbed-two-teens-christmas-day-released-back-onto-the-streets/

;-)

Don Bessee

Creepy grampa joe wants to make berzerkly in merica a reality. They really do hate citizens and girls -

The Biden administration’s Title IX proposal that would expand the meaning of sexual discrimination to include gender identity and prevent schools and colleges from banning transgender athletes received pushback from a United Nations expert Wednesday.

Reem Alsalem, a U.N. special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, expressed concern the proposed changes would violate biological women and girls’ rights to equality and non-discrimination as student-athletes.

"I share the concern expressed by women and girl athletes and women sports associations, as well as women and girls on sports scholarships, that the proposed Title IX rule changes would have detrimental effects on the participation of biological women and girls in sports, including by denying them the opportunity to compete fairly, resulting in the loss of athletic and scholarship opportunities," Alsalem said in a news release.

"More importantly, it would lead to the loss of privacy, an increased risk of physical injury, heightened exposure to sexual harassment and voyeurism, as well as a more frequent and accumulated psychological distress due to the loss of privacy and fair and equal sporting and academic opportunities," she said.

"If the proposed changes are adopted, they would contravene the United States’ international human rights obligations and commitments concerning the prevention of all forms of violence and discrimination against women and girls on the basis of sex."

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/biden-admins-title-ix-proposal-receivers-stark-warning-un-expert-detrimental-effects

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Individual Juan

George Rebane | 27 December 2023 at 01:44 PM

Scott is fear mongering again and avoiding his own party's accountability for past, present and future US debt.

The population was 203.4 million in 1970.
The population is around 340 million now.
Who do think is going to wash all the dishes, pick all the crops, and mow all the lawns if these new immigrants don't?

Illegal immigration has been a factor of life for decades, if not centuries.
That is not why the debt is out of control.
Those are just MAGA talking points.

Individual Juan

Is there anyone who will still deny that Trump speaks in white nationalist racist undertones?

""Illegal immigration is poisoning the blood of our nation"
The brown people, black people, yes, those non-whites.

Trump and the MAGA are afraid white people are going to lose the purity of their precious Aryan bodily fluids.

He only likes that white eastern Euro stuff.

Individual Juan

Now the state of Maine says Trump is a shithole candidate. Game over.

The Estonian Fox

From the LA Times today:

"Donald Trump will stay on California GOP presidential primary ballot. The former president will be on California’s March 5 primary ballot, despite calls from some officials to disqualify him because of the Jan. 6 insurrection."

The headline had a misprint, should have said "insurrection". Couldn't afford the extra quote marks.

Interpretation: state of California says Trump is NOT a shithole candidate. Game not nearly over.

The Estonian Fox

Biden praises new ice cream flavor, says "I see Baskin-Robbins introduced their Banana Republic Ice Cream. My favorite."

fishhole

Nice take on the $PLC…..looks like they’ve decided that scaring little old black church ladies just wasn’t lucrative enough!


https://quillette.com/2023/12/27/the-splcs-new-enemy/


”Whether your selling cakes or causes it’s really all the same”

Cool Mo Dees

Scott O

Lonely Juanita:
"Scott is fear mongering again and avoiding his own party's accountability for past, present and future US debt."

Poor Juanita - I don't have a "party" and I've never excused any R for their part in running our nation's debt off a cliff.
Apparently a factual discussion of reality is now considered "fear mongering" to the lefties.

further:
"Illegal immigration has been a factor of life for decades, if not centuries.
That is not why the debt is out of control."

Sigh - never said it was, but if fabrication is all you have, then go for it.

Scott O

"Who do think is going to wash all the dishes, pick all the crops, and mow all the lawns if these new immigrants don't?"

Or wipe Juanita's ass or blow his nose?

fishhole

….. or wipe Juanita's ass


Maybe it’s not entirely a bad thing than that another herd is on its way! Certainly not the kind of job you’d assign to just one unfortunate illegal immigrant.


Individual Juan

Trump probably already has an immigrant asswiper. Lord knows he is full of shit.

fishhole

Posted by: Individual Juan | 29 December 2023 at 10:21 AM

Trump probably already has an immigrant asswiper. Lord knows he is full of shit.


Thank you for the tacit acknowledgment that your….ahem…..needs are best “crew served”.

Individual Juan

Urban dictionary -'oxymorons'- MAGAs on opioids

The latest oxymoron is, 'MAGA Moral Majority'. They aren't making America great again, they are not moral, and they are not in the majority.

Individual Juan

My friends:
This is not a fireside chat on war. It is a talk on national security, because the nub of the whole purpose of your President is to keep you now, and your children later, and your grandchildren much later, out of a last-ditch war for the preservation of American independence and all of the things that American independence means to you and to me and to ours.
Tonight, in the presence of a world crisis, my mind goes back eight years to a night in the midst of a domestic crisis. It was a time when the wheels of American industry were grinding to a full stop, when the whole banking system of our country had ceased to function.
I well remember that while I sat in my study in the White House, preparing to talk with the people of the United States, I had before my eyes the picture of all those Americans with whom I was talking. I saw the workmen in the mills, the mines, the factories; the girl behind the counter; the small shopkeeper; the farmer doing his spring plowing; the widows and the old men wondering about their life's savings.
I tried to convey to the great mass of American people what the banking crisis meant to them in their daily lives.
Tonight, I want to do the same thing, with the same people, in this new crisis which faces America.
We met the issue of 1933 with courage and realism.
We face this new crisis -- this new threat to the security of our nation -- with the same courage and realism.
Never before since Jamestown and Plymouth Rock has our American civilization been in such danger as now.
For, on September 27th, 1940, this year, by an agreement signed in Berlin, three powerful nations, two in Europe and one in Asia, joined themselves together in the threat that if the United States of America interfered with or blocked the expansion program of these three nations -- a program aimed at world control -- they would unite in ultimate action against the United States.
The Nazi masters of Germany have made it clear that they intend not only to dominate all life and thought in their own country, but also to enslave the whole of Europe, and then to use the resources of Europe to dominate the rest of the world.
It was only three weeks ago their leader stated this: " There are two worlds that stand opposed to each other." And then in defiant reply to his opponents, he said this: "Others are correct when they say: With this world we cannot ever reconcile ourselves .... I can beat any other power in the world." So said the leader of the Nazis.
In other words, the Axis not merely admits but the Axis proclaims that there can be no ultimate peace between their philosophy of government and our philosophy of government.
In view of the nature of this undeniable threat, it can be asserted, properly and categorically, that the United States has no right or reason to encourage talk of peace, until the day shall come when there is a clear intention on the part of the aggressor nations to abandon all thought of dominating or conquering the world.
At this moment, the forces of the states that are leagued against all peoples who live in freedom are being held away from our shores. The Germans and the Italians are being blocked on the other side of the Atlantic by the British, and by the Greeks, and by thousands of soldiers and sailors who were able to escape from subjugated countries. In Asia the Japanese are being engaged by the Chinese nation in another great defense.
In the Pacific Ocean is our fleet.
Some of our people like to believe that wars in Europe and in Asia are of no concern to us. But it is a matter of most vital concern to us that European and Asiatic war-makers should not gain control of the oceans which lead to this hemisphere.
One hundred and seventeen years ago the Monroe Doctrine was conceived by our Government as a measure of defense in the face of a threat against this hemisphere by an alliance in Continental Europe. Thereafter, we stood (on) guard in the Atlantic, with the British as neighbors. There was no treaty. There was no "unwritten agreement."
And yet, there was the feeling, proven correct by history, that we as neighbors could settle any disputes in peaceful fashion. And the fact is that during the whole of this time the Western Hemisphere has remained free from aggression from Europe or from Asia.
Does anyone seriously believe that we need to fear attack anywhere in the Americas while a free Britain remains our most powerful naval neighbor in the Atlantic? And does anyone seriously believe, on the other hand, that we could rest easy if the Axis powers were our neighbors there?
If Great Britain goes down, the Axis powers will control the continents of Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and the high seas -- and they will be in a position to bring enormous military and naval resources against this hemisphere. It is no exaggeration to say that all of us, in all the Americas, would be living at the point of a gun -- a gun loaded with explosive bullets, economic as well as military.
We should enter upon a new and terrible era in which the whole world, our hemisphere included, would be run by threats of brute force. And to survive in such a world, we would have to convert ourselves permanently into a militaristic power on the basis of war economy.
Some of us like to believe that even if (Great) Britain falls, we are still safe, because of the broad expanse of the Atlantic and of the Pacific.
But the width of those (these) oceans is not what it was in the days of clipper ships. At one point between Africa and Brazil the distance is less from Washington than it is from Washington to Denver, Colorado -- five hours for the latest type of bomber. And at the North end of the Pacific Ocean America and Asia almost touch each other.
Why, even today we have planes that (which) could fly from the British Isles to New England and back again without refueling. And remember that the range of a (the) modern bomber is ever being increased.
During the past week many people in all parts of the nation have told me what they wanted me to say tonight. Almost all of them expressed a courageous desire to hear the plain truth about the gravity of the situation. One telegram, however, expressed the attitude of the small minority who want to see no evil and hear no evil, even though they know in their hearts that evil exists. That telegram begged me not to tell again of the ease with which our American cities could be bombed by any hostile power which had gained bases in this Western Hemisphere. The gist of that telegram was: "Please, Mr. President, don't frighten us by telling us the facts."
Frankly and definitely there is danger ahead -- danger against which we must prepare. But we well know that we cannot escape danger (it), or the fear of danger, by crawling into bed and pulling the covers over our heads.
Some nations of Europe were bound by solemn non-intervention pacts with Germany. Other nations were assured by Germany that they need never fear invasion. Non-intervention pact or not, the fact remains that they were attacked, overrun, (and) thrown into (the) modern (form of) slavery at an hour's notice, or even without any notice at all. As an exiled leader of one of these nations said to me the other day, "The notice was a minus quantity. It was given to my Government two hours after German troops had poured into my country in a hundred places."
The fate of these nations tells us what it means to live at the point of a Nazi gun.
The Nazis have justified such actions by various pious frauds. One of these frauds is the claim that they are occupying a nation for the purpose of "restoring order." Another is that they are occupying or controlling a nation on the excuse that they are "protecting it" against the aggression of somebody else.
For example, Germany has said that she was occupying Belgium to save the Belgians from the British. Would she then hesitate to say to any South American country, "We are occupying you to protect you from aggression by the United States?"
Belgium today is being used as an invasion base against Britain, now fighting for its life. And any South American country, in Nazi hands, would always constitute a jumping-off place for German attack on any one of the other republics of this hemisphere.
Analyze for yourselves the future of two other places even nearer to Germany if the Nazis won. Could Ireland hold out? Would Irish freedom be permitted as an amazing pet exception in an unfree world? Or the Islands of the Azores which still fly the flag of Portugal after five centuries? You and I think of Hawaii as an outpost of defense in the Pacific. And yet, the Azores are closer to our shores in the Atlantic than Hawaii is on the other side.
There are those who say that the Axis powers would never have any desire to attack the Western Hemisphere. That (this) is the same dangerous form of wishful thinking which has destroyed the powers of resistance of so many conquered peoples. The plain facts are that the Nazis have proclaimed, time and again, that all other races are their inferiors and therefore subject to their orders. And most important of all, the vast resources and wealth of this American Hemisphere constitute the most tempting loot in all of the round world.
Let us no longer blind ourselves to the undeniable fact that the evil forces which have crushed and undermined and corrupted so many others are already within our own gates. Your Government knows much about them and every day is ferreting them out.
Their secret emissaries are active in our own and in neighboring countries. They seek to stir up suspicion and dissension to cause internal strife. They try to turn capital against labor, and vice versa. They try to reawaken long slumbering racist and religious enmities which should have no place in this country. They are active in every group that promotes intolerance. They exploit for their own ends our own natural abhorrence of war. These trouble-breeders have but one purpose. It is to divide our people, to divide them into hostile groups and to destroy our unity and shatter our will to defend ourselves.
There are also American citizens, many of then in high places, who, unwittingly in most cases, are aiding and abetting the work of these agents. I do not charge these American citizens with being foreign agents. But I do charge them with doing exactly the kind of work that the dictators want done in the United States.
These people not only believe that we can save our own skins by shutting our eyes to the fate of other nations. Some of them go much further than that. They say that we can and should become the friends and even the partners of the Axis powers. Some of them even suggest that we should imitate the methods of the dictatorships. But Americans never can and never will do that.
The experience of the past two years has proven beyond doubt that no nation can appease the Nazis. No man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it. There can be no appeasement with ruthlessness. There can be no reasoning with an incendiary bomb. We know now that a nation can have peace with the Nazis only at the price of total surrender.
Even the people of Italy have been forced to become accomplices of the Nazis, but at this moment they do not know how soon they will be embraced to death by their allies.
The American appeasers ignore the warning to be found in the fate of Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and France. They tell you that the Axis powers are going to win anyway; that all of this bloodshed in the world could be saved, that the United States might just as well throw its influence into the scale of a dictated peace, and get the best out of it that we can.
They call it a "negotiated peace." Nonsense! Is it a negotiated peace if a gang of outlaws surrounds your community and on threat of extermination makes you pay tribute to save your own skins?
Such a dictated peace would be no peace at all. It would be only another armistice, leading to the most gigantic armament race and the most devastating trade wars in all history. And in these contests the Americas would offer the only real resistance to the Axis powers.
With all their vaunted efficiency, with all their (and) parade of pious purpose in this war, there are still in their background the concentration camp and the servants of God in chains.
The history of recent years proves that the shootings and the chains and the concentration camps are not simply the transient tools but the very altars of modern dictatorships. They may talk of a "new order" in the world, but what they have in mind is only (but) a revival of the oldest and the worst tyranny. In that there is no liberty, no religion, no hope.
The proposed "new order" is the very opposite of a United States of Europe or a United States of Asia. It is not a government based upon the consent of the governed. It is not a union of ordinary, self-respecting men and women to protect themselves and their freedom and their dignity from oppression. It is an unholy alliance of power and pelf to dominate and to enslave the human race.
The British people and their allies today are conducting an active war against this unholy alliance. Our own future security is greatly dependent on the outcome of that fight. Our ability to "keep out of war" is going to be affected by that outcome.
Thinking in terms of today and tomorrow, I make the direct statement to the American people that there is far less chance of the United States getting into war if we do all we can now to support the nations defending themselves against attack by the Axis than if we acquiesce in their defeat, submit tamely to an Axis victory, and wait our turn to be the object of attack in another war later on.
If we are to be completely honest with ourselves, we must admit that there is risk in any course we may take. But I deeply believe that the great majority of our people agree that the course that I advocate involves the least risk now and the greatest hope for world peace in the future.
The people of Europe who are defending themselves do not ask us to do their fighting. They ask us for the implements of war, the planes, the tanks, the guns, the freighters which will enable them to fight for their liberty and for our security. Emphatically we must get these weapons to them, get them to them in sufficient volume and quickly enough, so that we and our children will be saved the agony and suffering of war which others have had to endure.
Let not the defeatists tell us that it is too late. It will never be earlier. Tomorrow will be later than today.
Certain facts are self-evident.
In a military sense Great Britain and the British Empire are today the spearhead of resistance to world conquest. And they are putting up a fight which will live forever in the story of human gallantry.
There is no demand for sending an American Expeditionary Force outside our own borders. There is no intention by any member of your Government to send such a force. You can, therefore, nail -- nail any talk about sending armies to Europe as deliberate untruth.
Our national policy is not directed toward war. Its sole purpose is to keep war away from our country and away from our people.
Democracy's fight against world conquest is being greatly aided, and must be more greatly aided, by the rearmament of the United States and by sending every ounce and every ton of munitions and supplies that we can possibly spare to help the defenders who are in the front lines. And it is no more unnatural for us to do that than it is for Sweden, Russia and other nations near Germany to send steel and ore and oil and other war materials into Germany every day in the week.
We are planning our own defense with the utmost urgency, and in its vast scale we must integrate the war needs of Britain and the other free nations which are resisting aggression.
This is not a matter of sentiment or of controversial personal opinion. It is a matter of realistic, practical military policy, based on the advice of our military experts who are in close touch with existing warfare. These military and naval experts and the members of the Congress and the Administration have a single-minded purpose -- the defense of the United States.
This nation is making a great effort to produce everything that is necessary in this emergency -- and with all possible speed. And this great effort requires great sacrifice.
I would ask no one to defend a democracy which in turn would not defend everyone in the nation against want and privation. The strength of this nation shall not be diluted by the failure of the Government to protect the economic well-being of its (all) citizens.
If our capacity to produce is limited by machines, it must ever be remembered that these machines are operated by the skill and the stamina of the workers. As the Government is determined to protect the rights of the workers, so the nation has a right to expect that the men who man the machines will discharge their full responsibilities to the urgent needs of defense.
The worker possesses the same human dignity and is entitled to the same security of position as the engineer or the manager or the owner. For the workers provide the human power that turns out the destroyers, and the (air)planes and the tanks.
The nation expects our defense industries to continue operation without interruption by strikes or lockouts. It expects and insists that management and workers will reconcile their differences by voluntary or legal means, to continue to produce the supplies that are so sorely needed.
And on the economic side of our great defense program, we are, as you know, bending every effort to maintain stability of prices and with that the stability of the cost of living.
Nine days ago I announced the setting up of a more effective organization to direct our gigantic efforts to increase the production of munitions. The appropriation of vast sums of money and a well coordinated executive direction of our defense efforts are not in themselves enough. Guns, planes, (and) ships and many other things have to be built in the factories and the arsenals of America. They have to be produced by workers and managers and engineers with the aid of machines which in turn have to be built by hundreds of thousands of workers throughout the land.
In this great work there has been splendid cooperation between the Government and industry and labor, and I am very thankful.
American industrial genius, unmatched throughout all the world in the solution of production problems, has been called upon to bring its resources and its talents into action. Manufacturers of watches, of farm implements, of linotypes, and cash registers, and automobiles, and sewing machines, and lawn mowers and locomotives are now making fuses, bomb packing crates, telescope mounts, shells, and pistols and tanks.
But all of our present efforts are not enough. We must have more ships, more guns, more planes -- more of everything. And this can only be accomplished if we discard the notion of "business as usual." This job cannot be done merely by superimposing on the existing productive facilities the added requirements of the nation for defense.
Our defense efforts must not be blocked by those who fear the future consequences of surplus plant capacity. The possible consequences of failure of our defense efforts now are much more to be feared.
And after the present needs of our defense are past, a proper handling of the country's peacetime needs will require all of the new productive capacity -- if not still more.
No pessimistic policy about the future of America shall delay the immediate expansion of those industries essential to defense. We need them.
I want to make it clear that it is the purpose of the nation to build now with all possible speed every machine, every arsenal, every (and) factory that we need to manufacture our defense material. We have the men -- the skill -- the wealth -- and above all, the will.
I am confident that if and when production of consumer or luxury goods in certain industries requires the use of machines and raw materials that are essential for defense purposes, then such production must yield, and will gladly yield, to our primary and compelling purpose.
So I appeal to the owners of plants -- to the managers -to the workers -- to our own Government employees -- to put every ounce of effort into producing these munitions swiftly and without stint. (And) With this appeal I give you the pledge that all of us who are officers of your Government will devote ourselves to the same whole-hearted extent to the great task that (which) lies ahead.
As planes and ships and guns and shells are produced, your Government, with its defense experts, can then determine how best to use them to defend this hemisphere. The decision as to how much shall be sent abroad and how much shall remain at home must be made on the basis of our overall military necessities.
We must be the great arsenal of democracy. For us this is an emergency as serious as war itself. We must apply ourselves to our task with the same resolution, the same sense of urgency, the same spirit of patriotism and sacrifice as we would show were we at war.
We have furnished the British great material support and we will furnish far more in the future. There will be no "bottlenecks" in our determination to aid Great Britain. No dictator, no combination of dictators, will weaken that determination by threats of how they will construe that determination.
The British have received invaluable military support from the heroic Greek army and from the forces of all the governments in exile. Their strength is growing. It is the strength of men and women who value their freedom more highly than they value their lives.
I believe that the Axis powers are not going to win this war. I base that belief on the latest and best of information.
We have no excuse for defeatism. We have every good reason for hope -- hope for peace, yes, and hope for the defense of our civilization and for the building of a better civilization in the future.
I have the profound conviction that the American people are now determined to put forth a mightier effort than they have ever yet made to increase our production of all the implements of defense, to meet the threat to our democratic faith.
As President of the United States I call for that national effort. I call for it in the name of this nation which we love and honor and which we are privileged and proud to serve. I call upon our people with absolute confidence that our common cause will greatly succeed.

Don Bessee

So with a 68 billion deficit who the hell is going to pay for this?? No no magnets here move along nothing to see -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/cali-becomes-first-state-to-offer-health-insurance-to-all-undocumented-immigrants/ar-AA1md9q4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5755d25ac5174ddfb83632002fae9967&ei=134

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Scott O

re Lonely Juanita 1:27 -

So - Juanita is enlisting to fight the Chi-Coms?

They do have those new uniforms for pregnant women soldiers.

Scott O

DB 2:20 "who the hell is going to pay for this?"
California tax payers, primarily - with the rest of us bailing out California even more than we do now.
The upside is plenty of homes for sale in CA at somewhat lower prices as the exodus of producers continues.
Enjoy!

Don Bessee

While the eco nuts pray at the altar of global warming the real world calls bullshit!

https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2023/12/29/india-scoffs-coal-transition-not-happening-foreseeable-future/

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Gregory

Ij 127p

That's plagiarism, and a useless waste of a dead President's words.

It appears to be dawning on ij that Trump may sweep into office and the folks ij and friends have been tormenting for 8 years are about to come into power with a mission that ij really will not enjoy.


Don Bessee

Can the world take much more of creepy grampa joes peace through capitulation and weakness -

Blinken mocked for taking pride in Biden State Department's work to 'strengthen global peace and security'
'I’m not sure the world can stand any more of this Biden 'peace,''

https://www.foxnews.com/media/blinken-mocked-taking-pride-biden-state-departments-work-strengthen-global-peace-security

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George Rebane

Individual 127pm - When you decide to cut and paste some politician's lengthy drivel, please introduce it with a citation and appropriate quotation marks or italics.

Gregory

The lengthy, context free drivel was the point.

Individual Juan

Interesting reactions to an FDR speech. Just shows how far the Republicans have sunk.

Individual Juan

The Year in Review for you,

https://www.pride.com/politics/republican-hypocrites#rebelltitem1

fishanthrope

Posted by: Individual Juan | 30 December 2023 at 12:03 PM


Yeah……I was always pretty sure she was a “beard”.

Don Bessee

We already know his mommy is a biden bundler and all his cash went to dems but they do not want it on the record who got stolen funds for wokesters -

POLITICS
DOJ torched after prosecutors announce Sam Bankman-Fried will not face trial on illegal political donations
'The DOJ has shown again, that it is NOT an independent agency

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-torched-prosecutors-announce-sam-bankman-fried-face-second-trial

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Gregory

It was obvious by the end of the first sentence of the screed you posted that it was a "fireside chat" by FDR, Jeff.

You chose to post it without any comment as to what you thought the parallels were to late 2023... there might well be none.

Scott O

"Interesting reactions to an FDR speech."

Good Lord, what a complete idiot. The "reactions" were not of the content of the FDR chat, they were comments about the person posting it. Let me guess - Juanita claims to have a degree of some sort. Obviously a waste of money in that case.

Gregory

The last time I checked, the GOP was opposed to just about everything FDR was pushing.

Including packing the Supremes. And he sold the country on Social Security by lying about it.

Don Bessee

Talk about way too much self-talk and not reading the room -

The former political advisor argued that Maine's decision to remove the Republican frontrunner from the state's primary ballot plays into Trump's narrative that the Democratic Party is only "coming after him" because of his presidential bid.

Axelrod said that the effort by the left to remove Trump has backfired, and he has only "gained" popularity since his many indictments.

"We’ve run this experiment, he’s only gained since he started getting indicted," he said.

"What you thought might be kryptonite for him has turned out to be battery packs, and this is a big one for him," Axelrod said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-top-obama-adviser-says-trump-prevented-running-would-rip-country-apart

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Scott O

re Axelrod's comment:

He is correct only to the point that it helps Trump, but not because it makes Trump the candidate look better. It exposes the Dems for what they are and increases the chance that people who might have voted Dem are repulsed by the naked authoritarian power plays of the sort that we Americans associate with folks like Stalin and Hitler. I doubt that sort of Dem voter thinks any better of Trump, only that they might vote for him to stop the insanity of obvious banana republic tactics.
Will these stupid political parlor tricks by the Dems turn any Never-Trumper Rs to voting for him? I doubt enough to make a difference but I really haven't the information to know.

Gregory

Chuckles for everyone, except the humorless...
It starts off:

"It was a year of reckoning, a year in which humanity finally began to understand that it faces an existential threat, a threat unlike any we have ever faced before, a threat that will wreak havoc on our fragile planet if we fail to stop it — and it may already be too late.

We are referring, of course, to pickleball.

Nobody knows where it started. Some scientists believe it escaped from a laboratory in China. But whatever its origin, it has been spreading like rancid mayonnaise ever since, to the point where pickleball courts now cover 43 percent of the continental US land mass, subjecting millions of Americans to the inescapable, annoying POP of the plastic ball and the even more annoying sound of boomers
in knee braces relentlessly telling you how much fun it is and demanding that you try it."


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/dave-barry-s-2023-year-in-review/ar-AA1mghgi

George Rebane

The 1202pm comment confirms again that FDR was and remains in the socialists' and Democrats' pantheon of gods.

Gregory

FDR was born with a silver spoon in each orifice, an unlikely patron saint of the left, and he made a normal business cycle contraction into the Great Depression by allowing the money supply to shrink way beyond reason.

But he got us into WWII.

Paul Emery

So Gregory you are claiming that the economy that FDR inherited when he became President was a "normal business cycle contraction" ?

Gregory

Read Milton Friedman

Scott O

"So Gregory you are claiming...."

Great way to close out the year with some classic BS from Paul.

Happy New Years, everyone!

Gregory

So...
Does anyone here think Punchy has ever read anything by Uncle Milty?


Neither do I.

fishhole

Posted by: Gregory | 31 December 2023 at 04:12 PM


Does anyone here think Punchy has ever read anything …..

You probably should have stopped there.

Paul Emery


When Roosevelt took over Gregory in 1933 we were already in a depression so how can you blame that on Roosevelt. At the height of the Depression in 1933, 24.9% of the nation's total work force, 12,830,000 people, were unemployed. Wage income for workers who were lucky enough to have kept their jobs fell 42.5% between 1929 and 1933 all during Hoovers term. Incredible ignorance to blame the Depression on Roosevelt. Also the Stock Market crashed in 1929 three years before Roosevelt was elected.

My goodness you are ignorant.

https://www.britannica.com/money/topic/Great-Depression


fishhole

My goodness you are ignorant.



And my goodness Progressive Todd…..you never fail to make me laugh!

Paul Emery

Are you saying my 5:15 is not based on facts fishole?

fishhole

Posted by: Paul “Reading is Fundamental” Emery | 31 December 2023 at 06:14 PM


Are you saying my 5:15 is not based on facts fishole?


No…I said that you make me laugh!

See…..how are we supposed to take anything you say about complex economic issues when you can’t even understand a simple sentence?

Paul Emery

Bold words from a person who is too ashamed to use his real name.

fishhole

Bold words from a person who is too ashamed to use his real name.


Atta boy……stick with the “classics”.

Gregory

My goodness Punchy, you are beyond ignorant.

During Hoover's first two years, his House had a small majority, but in 1931 it was split down the middle and it shot up to a big majority for FDR when he took office.

None of his fixes worked.

Paul Emery

Gregory


Thanks for affirming that Hoover was President when the depression happened and Roosevelt was President when it ended. Much like Obama after Bush and Biden after Trump. It takes a Democratic President to clean up the mess that Republicans leave.

Gregory

"Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton [Friedman] and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression, you're right. We did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again."
-Ben Bernake

It was a failure of the Federal Reserve system, not Hoover, that started the Great Depression, Punch, and the New Deal just made it longer and worse.

Paul Emery

And what did Hoover do to prevent that from happening Gregory? It was three Republican Presidents that sealed our fate, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover before we were rescued by Roosevelt, just like Obama rescued us from Bush and Biden from Trump.

Gregory

There was no "rescue" by Roosevelt, Punch.

Hoover was spending as fast as he was allowed under the law.

Gregory

"Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton [Friedman] and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression, you're right. We did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again."

Punch, why would an official of the Fed say that if it weren't true?

Gregory

"And what did Hoover do to prevent that from happening Gregory?"

Presidents have no authority over the Federal Reserve.

Individual Juan

Socialism is the fire department saving your house.

Capitalism is the insurance company denying your claim.

BurmaShave

Don Bessee

The dark lord of liberal lament land should get a refund on that rhetoric degree @1213

;-)

Scott O

Lonely Juanita 12:13 - Thanks for posting that. It confirms what an ignorant, uneducated person you are.
A publicly financed fire department is an example of a socialistic service of the govt that no one as far I as I know would criticize. Their services are a clearly needed good for the community that run far beyond putting out fires. They are financed and run at the local level.
To say that a fire dept putting out a house fire IS socialism, is absurd.
An insurance company can legally and morally deny your claim for a host of reasons that are clearly pointed out in the contract that you willingly signed after being to damn lazy to read.
Or they are breaking the contract and you can sue them in a court of law. That has nothing to do with capitalism in any way, shape or form.
Our nation is already massively socialistic (social security and medicaid) and their operation is bankrupting our fed govt.
Juanita does represent the cohort of our republic that will doom our country.

Gregory

ij 1213p

Grow up

Don Bessee

Does anyone think the chi coms are going to miss this golden opportunity? And emperor gavin will steal from us to buy them insurance. -

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/smallbusiness/chinese-nationals-are-flooding-across-southern-border-at-record-pace/ar-AA1mjVPf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a06633e51676423ab9396164b92258bf&ei=28

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/california-becomes-first-state-to-offer-health-insurance-to-all-illegal-migrants-taxpayers-will-be-forced-to-fork-out-3-1bn-per-year-in-medical-care-for-an-extra-700-000-people/ar-AA1mjRpa?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a06633e51676423ab9396164b92258bf&ei=34

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Don Bessee

The trendline continues as creepy grampa joe is hemoraging black, hispanic and young voters. His only saving grace is the kakkler fares worse. LOL saw a lefty rag claim the kakkler will save him. How if they hat here more than him! -

The poll also showed that Vice President Kamala Harris got lower job approval ratings than Biden among black voters: 56 percent, compared with Biden’s 68 percent. She is also less popular among young voters: 27 percent, compared to Biden’s 32 percent.

https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/01/01/poll-black-hispanic-young-voters-abandon-biden-election-year-begins/

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Paul Emery

There's another lawsuit heading Trumps way:

"Donald Trump is facing trial on January 29 for allegedly duping people into investing in a loss-making video phone.

The lawsuit, filed in Manhattan, New York, in 2018, alleges Trump received millions of dollars in secret payments "to promote and endorse" ACN, a marketing company promoting a new type of video phone.

Video phones, popularized in the 2000s, were replaced by smartphones with the video chat feature. Skype introduced video calling in 2006 and Apple popularized video chat with a front-facing camera installed in its iPhone in 2010.

The lawsuit alleges that Trump promoted the product on the TV show Celebrity Apprentice without disclosing that ACN was paying him.


The current Republican frontrunner for 2024 allegedly said at the time that ACN's video phones were doing "half-a-billion dollars' worth of sales a year."

"Trump also told investors that he had 'experienced the opportunity' and 'done a lot of research,' and that his endorsement was 'not for any money.' Not a word of this was true," the lawsuit states. Newsweek sought email comment on Saturday from Donald Trump's attorney, John Lauro, and from Roberta Kaplan, the attorney representing the plaintiffs."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lawsuit-manhattan-video-phone-acn-marketing-trial-new-york-1856848

Don Bessee

#sadoldman @ 824 grasping at the grains of sand slipping through his withered paws. I hear cuomo and others can feed your need. The fact they are consistently wrong should send you to the fainting couch.

While creepy grampa joe has the withered used to have a ponytail set he has lost the dem base. 20 points lost to trump and scads who will just sit on their hands and not help creepy grampa joe.

Then you have the invasion that the virtue signaling shit hole cities that have royally pissed of their base of people of color for giving the invaders hotels, meals and housing neglecting the Americans who elected them.

Never again and deportation time is coming across the nation. Screw the socialist, jihadi dems.

God Bless America!

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